comment by Welshy (U1348)
posted 45 minutes ago
truthhurts,
For me, Kimi at his best would more than hold his own against Alonso & Hamilton.
But when Kimi is not at his besthe can disappear all too quickly.
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The very same kimi Raikkonen that was pulvarised into retirement by Massa in 2008.
How do you guys watch formula1, how do you come to such preposterous conclusions???
comment by Welshy (U1348)
posted 6 hours, 37 minutes ago
hamiltons one lap pace has always been his party piece -
----------- however all the signs are pointing to the suggestion that rosberg is quicker over one lap and lewis is no quicker than any of the other top name drivers out there --
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I don't know where the idea that Hamilton's one lap pace has been his party piece?
It's wins that makes a champion, not pole positions. Although if Rosberg wants to take consolation through his pole position he is very welcome to do so. 10 wins to 4 in a team with no team orders says all we need to know about who is the better driver
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not having a go at lewis welshy , but i have always believed him to be a better qualifier than he is a racer over a race distance -
----------- having said that he is obviously good at both but i have always thought there are a few better than lewis over a race distance -
comment by BWFCCLEGG (U7583)
posted 5 hours, 42 minutes ago
i mean how can anybody rate hamilton as a good driver,
when he hasnt beaten all his team mates, he can only drive in the dumbed down fuel stop era, he hasnt won a world championship, he hasnt got the most wins of a british driver. and worst of all, he has a plastic pop tart girlfriend.........ohhh n ear rings......ohhh and hes black and erm......
Fool!
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you say all that as if everybody on the board does not accept that lewis is a good driver -
------- has anybody on the board ever said that lewis is not a good driver
comment by truthhurts (U19586)
posted 5 hours ago
comment by Welshy (U1348)
posted 45 minutes ago
truthhurts,
For me, Kimi at his best would more than hold his own against Alonso & Hamilton.
But when Kimi is not at his besthe can disappear all too quickly.
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The very same kimi Raikkonen that was pulvarised into retirement by Massa in 2008.
How do you guys watch formula1, how do you come to such preposterous conclusions???
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must admit kimi raikk comes across as flawed and historically will always be remembered as such , when the car is to his liking he is as quick as anybody out there but as we both know perfect cars do not grow on trees for these drivers -
his problem this year is the tyres , with the 2013 spec pirelli"s he could get the front end to bite as he liked it with the harder more durable 2014 spec tyres he cannot get the same degree of grip he wants hence the deficit in lap time hence the inconsistent nature of his ability --
Well certainly Rosberg who has been well hyped is not as good as Hamilton over a race distance.
Imo the only way that Rosberg has been able to get the better is to bring out the yellow flags on a street circuit or 'teach' Hamilton a lesson by causing an avoidable incident
Which was only really in doubt with those who had an irrational dislike of hamilton
comment by Welshy (U1348)
posted 15 minutes ago
Well certainly Rosberg who has been well hyped is not as good as Hamilton over a race distance.
Imo the only way that Rosberg has been able to get the better is to bring out the yellow flags on a street circuit or 'teach' Hamilton a lesson by causing an avoidable incident
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must admit hamilton would seem to have a slight edge over rosberg in that respect ,
----------- then again i believe a number of drivers would be quicker than rosberg in qual and the race -
Maldonado is better than all these drivers, he has won in a wiliams
then again i believe a number of drivers would be quicker than rosberg in qual and the race -
___________________________________________
yeah...hamilton
Is ianwrightwright martial in disguise? Hmmmm
Lewis toying with Roberg
His name is Rosberg
Hamilton's overtake on Rosberg was a classical lesson in how to teach a driver how to overtake going into a corner on the inside and exiting still ahead.
Brilliant. Anyone interested in racing should study the move and understand what he did and how he did it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04ndy7v/formula-1-2014-the-us-grand-prix-highlights
39 minutes in or before.
Turn the commentary off and just watch the move.
Hamilton made it look easy, though to be honest Rosberg helped by making it easy for him. He obviously wasn't expecting the move there or then, but he did precious little to defend his position.
Tbh, hamilton really doesnt havr to justify his overtaking. He is peerless on the grid, going all the way back to perhaps senna. Of all his skills that one is hos best.
comment by WTCBU (U13662)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
Lewis toying with Roberg
His name is Rosberg
Hamilton's overtake on Rosberg was a classical lesson in how to teach a driver how to overtake going into a corner on the inside and exiting still ahead.
Brilliant. Anyone interested in racing should study the move and understand what he did and how he did it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04ndy7v/formula-1-2014-the-us-grand-prix-highlights
39 minutes in or before.
Turn the commentary off and just watch the move.
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lets not forget hamilton had a massive advantage with DRS when he passed rosberg -
pass was decent text book stuff but DRS takes away alot of the credibility of such maneuvers for many people --
The beauty of the manoeuvre was that Hamilton did not use his speed advantage to get in front of Rosberg before the corner. He made sure he stayed along side him and kept him out wide thereby forcing Rosberg to take the slower line into and out of the corner. Forget the boost button nonsense.
A less able driver, such as Vettel, would have sailed past Rosberrg into the corner, braked hard and moved out wide. Rosberg would then have kept to the correct racing line for that corner, undercut the less able driver and got back onto the power earlier to retake the position.
comment by WTCBU (U13662)
posted 9 hours, 47 minutes ago
The beauty of the manoeuvre was that Hamilton did not use his speed advantage to get in front of Rosberg before the corner. He made sure he stayed along side him and kept him out wide thereby forcing Rosberg to take the slower line into and out of the corner. Forget the boost button nonsense.
A less able driver, such as Vettel, would have sailed past Rosberrg into the corner, braked hard and moved out wide. Rosberg would then have kept to the correct racing line for that corner, undercut the less able driver and got back onto the power earlier to retake the position.
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all the top drivers know how to perform such a basic maneuver WT there was nothing special about it , made all the easier by the phoney speed advantage that DRS gives the chasing driver --
comment by martial artist (U9033)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by WTCBU (U13662)
posted 9 hours, 47 minutes ago
The beauty of the manoeuvre was that Hamilton did not use his speed advantage to get in front of Rosberg before the corner. He made sure he stayed along side him and kept him out wide thereby forcing Rosberg to take the slower line into and out of the corner. Forget the boost button nonsense.
A less able driver, such as Vettel, would have sailed past Rosberrg into the corner, braked hard and moved out wide. Rosberg would then have kept to the correct racing line for that corner, undercut the less able driver and got back onto the power earlier to retake the position.
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all the top drivers know how to perform such a basic maneuver WT there was nothing special about it , made all the easier by the phoney speed advantage that DRS gives the chasing driver --
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Someone should have told that to Rosberg and all the other drivers including Alonso who failed to make that move stick
comment by M.U.D.D - Luke Shaw makes me throb with desire (U9612)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by martial artist (U9033)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by WTCBU (U13662)
posted 9 hours, 47 minutes ago
The beauty of the manoeuvre was that Hamilton did not use his speed advantage to get in front of Rosberg before the corner. He made sure he stayed along side him and kept him out wide thereby forcing Rosberg to take the slower line into and out of the corner. Forget the boost button nonsense.
A less able driver, such as Vettel, would have sailed past Rosberrg into the corner, braked hard and moved out wide. Rosberg would then have kept to the correct racing line for that corner, undercut the less able driver and got back onto the power earlier to retake the position.
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all the top drivers know how to perform such a basic maneuver WT there was nothing special about it , made all the easier by the phoney speed advantage that DRS gives the chasing driver --
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Someone should have told that to Rosberg and all the other drivers including Alonso who failed to make that move stick
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not all of them had the advantage of hamiltons merc
comment by M.U.D.D - Luke Shaw makes me throb with desire (U9612)
posted 9 seconds ago
Now the rubbish starts
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now now manx --- just a little bit of harmless thursday night banter -
------------------ chill out its not WW3
Hamilton I think is also good at pressurising a driver into a mistake when chasing his opponent down. Just as Button did to Vettel at Canada a couple of years back
comment by Welshy (U1348)
posted 15 minutes ago
Hamilton I think is also good at pressurising a driver into a mistake when chasing his opponent down. Just as Button did to Vettel at Canada a couple of years back
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thought vettel had alot of bad luck with the safety car that day that came out no less than 6 times i believe -
fair play to button but in reality it was the safety car that won it for him --
Safety car granted, you still felt that when Button ramped up the pressure Vettel cracked. A bit brittle under pressure some of these drivers
The problem with Seb is that he always exceeds the track limits so when you put pressure on him, he will crack. He's also not very talented and has mediocre race craft.
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posted on 3/11/14
comment by Welshy (U1348)
posted 45 minutes ago
truthhurts,
For me, Kimi at his best would more than hold his own against Alonso & Hamilton.
But when Kimi is not at his besthe can disappear all too quickly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The very same kimi Raikkonen that was pulvarised into retirement by Massa in 2008.
How do you guys watch formula1, how do you come to such preposterous conclusions???
posted on 3/11/14
comment by Welshy (U1348)
posted 6 hours, 37 minutes ago
hamiltons one lap pace has always been his party piece -
----------- however all the signs are pointing to the suggestion that rosberg is quicker over one lap and lewis is no quicker than any of the other top name drivers out there --
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I don't know where the idea that Hamilton's one lap pace has been his party piece?
It's wins that makes a champion, not pole positions. Although if Rosberg wants to take consolation through his pole position he is very welcome to do so. 10 wins to 4 in a team with no team orders says all we need to know about who is the better driver
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not having a go at lewis welshy , but i have always believed him to be a better qualifier than he is a racer over a race distance -
----------- having said that he is obviously good at both but i have always thought there are a few better than lewis over a race distance -
posted on 3/11/14
comment by BWFCCLEGG (U7583)
posted 5 hours, 42 minutes ago
i mean how can anybody rate hamilton as a good driver,
when he hasnt beaten all his team mates, he can only drive in the dumbed down fuel stop era, he hasnt won a world championship, he hasnt got the most wins of a british driver. and worst of all, he has a plastic pop tart girlfriend.........ohhh n ear rings......ohhh and hes black and erm......
Fool!
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you say all that as if everybody on the board does not accept that lewis is a good driver -
------- has anybody on the board ever said that lewis is not a good driver
posted on 3/11/14
comment by truthhurts (U19586)
posted 5 hours ago
comment by Welshy (U1348)
posted 45 minutes ago
truthhurts,
For me, Kimi at his best would more than hold his own against Alonso & Hamilton.
But when Kimi is not at his besthe can disappear all too quickly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The very same kimi Raikkonen that was pulvarised into retirement by Massa in 2008.
How do you guys watch formula1, how do you come to such preposterous conclusions???
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must admit kimi raikk comes across as flawed and historically will always be remembered as such , when the car is to his liking he is as quick as anybody out there but as we both know perfect cars do not grow on trees for these drivers -
his problem this year is the tyres , with the 2013 spec pirelli"s he could get the front end to bite as he liked it with the harder more durable 2014 spec tyres he cannot get the same degree of grip he wants hence the deficit in lap time hence the inconsistent nature of his ability --
posted on 3/11/14
Well certainly Rosberg who has been well hyped is not as good as Hamilton over a race distance.
Imo the only way that Rosberg has been able to get the better is to bring out the yellow flags on a street circuit or 'teach' Hamilton a lesson by causing an avoidable incident
posted on 3/11/14
Which was only really in doubt with those who had an irrational dislike of hamilton
posted on 3/11/14
comment by Welshy (U1348)
posted 15 minutes ago
Well certainly Rosberg who has been well hyped is not as good as Hamilton over a race distance.
Imo the only way that Rosberg has been able to get the better is to bring out the yellow flags on a street circuit or 'teach' Hamilton a lesson by causing an avoidable incident
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must admit hamilton would seem to have a slight edge over rosberg in that respect ,
----------- then again i believe a number of drivers would be quicker than rosberg in qual and the race -
posted on 3/11/14
Maldonado is better than all these drivers, he has won in a wiliams
posted on 4/11/14
then again i believe a number of drivers would be quicker than rosberg in qual and the race -
___________________________________________
yeah...hamilton
posted on 4/11/14
Is ianwrightwright martial in disguise? Hmmmm
posted on 5/11/14
Lewis toying with Roberg
His name is Rosberg
Hamilton's overtake on Rosberg was a classical lesson in how to teach a driver how to overtake going into a corner on the inside and exiting still ahead.
Brilliant. Anyone interested in racing should study the move and understand what he did and how he did it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04ndy7v/formula-1-2014-the-us-grand-prix-highlights
39 minutes in or before.
Turn the commentary off and just watch the move.
posted on 5/11/14
Hamilton made it look easy, though to be honest Rosberg helped by making it easy for him. He obviously wasn't expecting the move there or then, but he did precious little to defend his position.
posted on 5/11/14
Tbh, hamilton really doesnt havr to justify his overtaking. He is peerless on the grid, going all the way back to perhaps senna. Of all his skills that one is hos best.
posted on 5/11/14
comment by WTCBU (U13662)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
Lewis toying with Roberg
His name is Rosberg
Hamilton's overtake on Rosberg was a classical lesson in how to teach a driver how to overtake going into a corner on the inside and exiting still ahead.
Brilliant. Anyone interested in racing should study the move and understand what he did and how he did it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04ndy7v/formula-1-2014-the-us-grand-prix-highlights
39 minutes in or before.
Turn the commentary off and just watch the move.
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lets not forget hamilton had a massive advantage with DRS when he passed rosberg -
pass was decent text book stuff but DRS takes away alot of the credibility of such maneuvers for many people --
posted on 6/11/14
The beauty of the manoeuvre was that Hamilton did not use his speed advantage to get in front of Rosberg before the corner. He made sure he stayed along side him and kept him out wide thereby forcing Rosberg to take the slower line into and out of the corner. Forget the boost button nonsense.
A less able driver, such as Vettel, would have sailed past Rosberrg into the corner, braked hard and moved out wide. Rosberg would then have kept to the correct racing line for that corner, undercut the less able driver and got back onto the power earlier to retake the position.
posted on 6/11/14
comment by WTCBU (U13662)
posted 9 hours, 47 minutes ago
The beauty of the manoeuvre was that Hamilton did not use his speed advantage to get in front of Rosberg before the corner. He made sure he stayed along side him and kept him out wide thereby forcing Rosberg to take the slower line into and out of the corner. Forget the boost button nonsense.
A less able driver, such as Vettel, would have sailed past Rosberrg into the corner, braked hard and moved out wide. Rosberg would then have kept to the correct racing line for that corner, undercut the less able driver and got back onto the power earlier to retake the position.
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all the top drivers know how to perform such a basic maneuver WT there was nothing special about it , made all the easier by the phoney speed advantage that DRS gives the chasing driver --
posted on 6/11/14
comment by martial artist (U9033)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by WTCBU (U13662)
posted 9 hours, 47 minutes ago
The beauty of the manoeuvre was that Hamilton did not use his speed advantage to get in front of Rosberg before the corner. He made sure he stayed along side him and kept him out wide thereby forcing Rosberg to take the slower line into and out of the corner. Forget the boost button nonsense.
A less able driver, such as Vettel, would have sailed past Rosberrg into the corner, braked hard and moved out wide. Rosberg would then have kept to the correct racing line for that corner, undercut the less able driver and got back onto the power earlier to retake the position.
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all the top drivers know how to perform such a basic maneuver WT there was nothing special about it , made all the easier by the phoney speed advantage that DRS gives the chasing driver --
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Someone should have told that to Rosberg and all the other drivers including Alonso who failed to make that move stick
posted on 6/11/14
Vettel as well
posted on 6/11/14
comment by M.U.D.D - Luke Shaw makes me throb with desire (U9612)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by martial artist (U9033)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by WTCBU (U13662)
posted 9 hours, 47 minutes ago
The beauty of the manoeuvre was that Hamilton did not use his speed advantage to get in front of Rosberg before the corner. He made sure he stayed along side him and kept him out wide thereby forcing Rosberg to take the slower line into and out of the corner. Forget the boost button nonsense.
A less able driver, such as Vettel, would have sailed past Rosberrg into the corner, braked hard and moved out wide. Rosberg would then have kept to the correct racing line for that corner, undercut the less able driver and got back onto the power earlier to retake the position.
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all the top drivers know how to perform such a basic maneuver WT there was nothing special about it , made all the easier by the phoney speed advantage that DRS gives the chasing driver --
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Someone should have told that to Rosberg and all the other drivers including Alonso who failed to make that move stick
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not all of them had the advantage of hamiltons merc
posted on 6/11/14
Now the rubbish starts
posted on 6/11/14
comment by M.U.D.D - Luke Shaw makes me throb with desire (U9612)
posted 9 seconds ago
Now the rubbish starts
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now now manx --- just a little bit of harmless thursday night banter -
------------------ chill out its not WW3
posted on 6/11/14
Hamilton I think is also good at pressurising a driver into a mistake when chasing his opponent down. Just as Button did to Vettel at Canada a couple of years back
posted on 6/11/14
comment by Welshy (U1348)
posted 15 minutes ago
Hamilton I think is also good at pressurising a driver into a mistake when chasing his opponent down. Just as Button did to Vettel at Canada a couple of years back
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thought vettel had alot of bad luck with the safety car that day that came out no less than 6 times i believe -
fair play to button but in reality it was the safety car that won it for him --
posted on 6/11/14
Safety car granted, you still felt that when Button ramped up the pressure Vettel cracked. A bit brittle under pressure some of these drivers
posted on 7/11/14
The problem with Seb is that he always exceeds the track limits so when you put pressure on him, he will crack. He's also not very talented and has mediocre race craft.
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