WWSPD - You have to put Klopp's comments in context. He said it is impossible to compete with Bayern and the only way fans are gonna get trophies is by supporting them. To make such a claim at Arsenal would be ridiculous as we DO have the resources to compete with any club in Europe, never mind just England.
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I had commented on that article (pay cut) earlier, and there would not be a “cut” as such.
http://www.ja606.co.uk/comments/viewAllComments/293724/1#C12834423
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 35 seconds ago
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I had commented on that article (pay cut) earlier, and there would not be a “cut” as such.
http://www.ja606.co.uk/comments/viewAllComments/293724/1#C12834423
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Cheers
That comment and your one on this article suggests that Wenger would in fact be deducted salary if he failed to reach the CL. That's reassuring
Bats
We have resources yes. But not on scale of United, City, and Chelsea.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 11 seconds ago
Bats
We have resources yes. But not on scale of United, City, and Chelsea.
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So the board's claims that we can and will compete with them are blatant lies?
Maybe fans' expectations wouldn't be so high if Gazidis and the board didn't keep insisting that we can compete financially with Utd, City and Chelsea.
comment by WengersBodyguard2 (U8276)
posted 1 minute ago
Best they'd get off me Serial is the chance to earn the same. Kind 4 mil basic but up to Wenger's 8 mil if there's an EPL title in the cabinet come the end of the season.
Basically to warrant being paid the 8 million Wenger is, his replacement has GOT to win the title. Because anything less and he's not really done anything for his money
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I understand where you're coming from. £8m a year is par for the course for a manager who can win the league title.
The only issue I have is it's clear Wenger will operate the next 2.5 seasons on the same basis as his last 10 years. Top 4 and a trophy if we're lucky. So on that front, he's not worth the £8m a year he's getting. I, personally, find it wrong that a manager gets paid that amount for something he achieved an age ago.
It was also in reply to any people who question who might we replace Wenger with. Well, the answer is, pay them £8m a year and we can get almost anyone.
No he didn't build it literally but it is down to him and David Dein that it got built and it's certyainly purely down to Wenger that's it's paid for. I know you want him gone but do you have to strip him of credit earned. We all know we have Wengers management to thank for the Emirates stadium (not solely but it's a huge part) so why make out we don't.
2) Many fans hanker for Klopp. (there’s a joke in there somewhere). While there are certainly others who could achieve more than AW currently is, Klopp basically told Dortmund fans earlier in the week that crave silverware, to go and support Bayern. In turn the Dortmund fans displayed a banner showing their support for Klopp – a stark difference to the banner displayed at the Hawthorns in regard to AW.
___________
That comment by Klopp was tongue in cheek.
Maybe fans' expectations wouldn't be so high if Gazidis and the board didn't keep insisting that we can compete financially with Utd, City and Chelsea.
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...add the word now. We couldnt compete with them three seasons ago.
comment by WengersBodyguard2 (U8276)
posted 47 seconds ago
No he didn't build it literally but it is down to him and David Dein that it got built and it's certyainly purely down to Wenger that's it's paid for. I know you want him gone but do you have to strip him of credit earned. We all know we have Wengers management to thank for the Emirates stadium (not solely but it's a huge part) so why make out we don't.
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Wenger deserves huge credit for what he did during that time. I have, and always will, give big respect for what he has done.
My issue with Wenger is what he can do NOW. Once upon a time he was a top manager. He just doesn't have it in him anymore.
I don'think it's clear he'll do the same at all. The players he's buying/bought' already indicate that he's got something a bit different up his sleeve. Why is it so hard to believe he has a plan some thing like "Right got my attackers, come the summer I'll have my two defenders too and league title here we come."
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It would be somewhat naïve of Arsenal to make brash comments on exactly what resource they have available, and history shows what the club state, and report are not always comparable.
There is also a belief that KSE are required to retain circa £75m in the reserves as capital which they can borrow against, which may go some way to explain why the reserves have largely been unspent.
That said we are in a sound financial position but when compared to United’s turnover we are a long way behind – especially commercial revenue.
Why is it so hard to believe he has a plan some thing like "Right got my attackers, come the summer I'll have my two defenders too and league title here we come."
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Because we've had defensive issues for a decade now and he's never addressed them before. Even this summer, the priorities were clear: A DM, a CB or two and perhaps a top striker if we can get one in.
OK, I won't complain about the Alexis signing. That was available and he made his move. But he had a whole summer to plan for the main priorities. But nothing came. In fact we're left weakened in those areas.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
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It would be somewhat naïve of Arsenal to make brash comments on exactly what resource they have available, and history shows what the club state, and report are not always comparable.
There is also a belief that KSE are required to retain circa £75m in the reserves as capital which they can borrow against, which may go some way to explain why the reserves have largely been unspent.
That said we are in a sound financial position but when compared to United’s turnover we are a long way behind – especially commercial revenue.
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If that's true then Kroenke should go fack himself on his new ranch.
I wouldn't say he's done nothing about the defensive issues - more he's not been successful in solving our defensive issues. Although letting TV go with nothing on the horizon was borderline criminal - although he's not having the best time of it right now either as it turns out.
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 10 minutes ago
2) Many fans hanker for Klopp. (there’s a joke in there somewhere). While there are certainly others who could achieve more than AW currently is, Klopp basically told Dortmund fans earlier in the week that crave silverware, to go and support Bayern. In turn the Dortmund fans displayed a banner showing their support for Klopp – a stark difference to the banner displayed at the Hawthorns in regard to AW.
___________
That comment by Klopp was tongue in cheek.
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Klopp said on Monday when asked about fans being unable to cope with defeats:
"Who only want success have one chance: To become a FC Bayern fan."
Klopp was fairly explicit.
The trouble I have is that most of the pro-Wenger comments are based on hope, rather than expectation. It's hoped Wenger will get in reinforcements, and we hope he might learn from his mistakes, and we hope he'll put more emphasis on the defensive issues we have. We have no real basis for any of these points.
But surely you hope a new manager would improve things? What basis do you have? It's all faith. No-one can actually guarantee any team will win anything - some managers can make a positive difference for sure, but there's still no guarantees.
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 6 minutes ago
I wouldn't say he's done nothing about the defensive issues - more he's not been successful in solving our defensive issues. Although letting TV go with nothing on the horizon was borderline criminal - although he's not having the best time of it right now either as it turns out.
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The thing is though - With all our defenders fit, we are only short a quality centre back. This has to be done in January if Wenger has any ambitions for this season to be a success.
The other signing required to complete the team is a quality DM - Every single person with a pulse in the world can see this.
Two signings - That is all that is required in January for us to have a competitive squad - He has had since September 2nd to identify targets for these positions and his excuse about January being difficult for buying people simply won't fly this time around.
He points to injury crises - But being honest, we had TWO defensive injuries, causing us to play a back up left back in central defence, and a young (but talented) centre back at right back, not forgetting a rookie right back starting away to Dortmund in the CL.
If a squad's defence cannot cope with two injuries, then it is not a good enough squad - If Wenger fails to address this in January then there can be no defending him.
why do you guys persistently think he will address you perceived shortcomings in the squad?
Year in year out you delude yourselves he will fix the issues in the squad, and year in year out wenger does what he thinks.
I don't need to wait until 2017 to see that Arsene won't win the PL. Injuries, tactics, poor defending will see to that, and has done since 2008.
is it doesn't matter how you mix this argument up, the 1 thing we know is "he" (Wenger) and/or Arsenal board, always come up short. even in his most successful years of winning the title we had chances to win it back to back if we had only strengthened the squad a bit by 1 or 2 more quality players. Never happened.
Wenger: Hurrah! we won the title!
Wenger's Dad: That's rubbish, why didn't you win the cup too?
Wenger: Hurrah! We won the cup and the title!
Wenger's Dad: That's rubbish, why didn't you win back-to-back titles?
Wenger: Oh feck off dad, you ungrateful git. You negative attitude is having a detrimental effect on my emotional wellbeing.
Wenger's Dad: Gay.
Does Wenger realise that we will actually have to beat at least one of Chelsea, City and UTD to have a chance of winning the league?
With him at the helm it won't happen, the silly old fool!
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 10 minutes ago
2) Many fans hanker for Klopp. (there’s a joke in there somewhere). While there are certainly others who could achieve more than AW currently is, Klopp basically told Dortmund fans earlier in the week that crave silverware, to go and support Bayern. In turn the Dortmund fans displayed a banner showing their support for Klopp – a stark difference to the banner displayed at the Hawthorns in regard to AW.
___________
That comment by Klopp was tongue in cheek.
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Klopp said on Monday when asked about fans being unable to cope with defeats:
"Who only want success have one chance: To become a FC Bayern fan."
Klopp was fairly explicit.
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I listen to that presser myself...he is in real trouble and for the first time under real pressure and the comment he made was his "easy" way to give an answer of journalist question why Dortmund is in that situation.
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posted on 3/12/14
WWSPD - You have to put Klopp's comments in context. He said it is impossible to compete with Bayern and the only way fans are gonna get trophies is by supporting them. To make such a claim at Arsenal would be ridiculous as we DO have the resources to compete with any club in Europe, never mind just England.
posted on 3/12/14
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I had commented on that article (pay cut) earlier, and there would not be a “cut” as such.
http://www.ja606.co.uk/comments/viewAllComments/293724/1#C12834423
posted on 3/12/14
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 35 seconds ago
●
I had commented on that article (pay cut) earlier, and there would not be a “cut” as such.
http://www.ja606.co.uk/comments/viewAllComments/293724/1#C12834423
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Cheers
That comment and your one on this article suggests that Wenger would in fact be deducted salary if he failed to reach the CL. That's reassuring
posted on 3/12/14
Bats
We have resources yes. But not on scale of United, City, and Chelsea.
posted on 3/12/14
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 11 seconds ago
Bats
We have resources yes. But not on scale of United, City, and Chelsea.
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So the board's claims that we can and will compete with them are blatant lies?
posted on 3/12/14
Maybe fans' expectations wouldn't be so high if Gazidis and the board didn't keep insisting that we can compete financially with Utd, City and Chelsea.
posted on 3/12/14
comment by WengersBodyguard2 (U8276)
posted 1 minute ago
Best they'd get off me Serial is the chance to earn the same. Kind 4 mil basic but up to Wenger's 8 mil if there's an EPL title in the cabinet come the end of the season.
Basically to warrant being paid the 8 million Wenger is, his replacement has GOT to win the title. Because anything less and he's not really done anything for his money
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I understand where you're coming from. £8m a year is par for the course for a manager who can win the league title.
The only issue I have is it's clear Wenger will operate the next 2.5 seasons on the same basis as his last 10 years. Top 4 and a trophy if we're lucky. So on that front, he's not worth the £8m a year he's getting. I, personally, find it wrong that a manager gets paid that amount for something he achieved an age ago.
It was also in reply to any people who question who might we replace Wenger with. Well, the answer is, pay them £8m a year and we can get almost anyone.
posted on 3/12/14
No he didn't build it literally but it is down to him and David Dein that it got built and it's certyainly purely down to Wenger that's it's paid for. I know you want him gone but do you have to strip him of credit earned. We all know we have Wengers management to thank for the Emirates stadium (not solely but it's a huge part) so why make out we don't.
posted on 3/12/14
2) Many fans hanker for Klopp. (there’s a joke in there somewhere). While there are certainly others who could achieve more than AW currently is, Klopp basically told Dortmund fans earlier in the week that crave silverware, to go and support Bayern. In turn the Dortmund fans displayed a banner showing their support for Klopp – a stark difference to the banner displayed at the Hawthorns in regard to AW.
___________
That comment by Klopp was tongue in cheek.
posted on 3/12/14
Maybe fans' expectations wouldn't be so high if Gazidis and the board didn't keep insisting that we can compete financially with Utd, City and Chelsea.
__________
...add the word now. We couldnt compete with them three seasons ago.
posted on 3/12/14
comment by WengersBodyguard2 (U8276)
posted 47 seconds ago
No he didn't build it literally but it is down to him and David Dein that it got built and it's certyainly purely down to Wenger that's it's paid for. I know you want him gone but do you have to strip him of credit earned. We all know we have Wengers management to thank for the Emirates stadium (not solely but it's a huge part) so why make out we don't.
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Wenger deserves huge credit for what he did during that time. I have, and always will, give big respect for what he has done.
My issue with Wenger is what he can do NOW. Once upon a time he was a top manager. He just doesn't have it in him anymore.
posted on 3/12/14
I don'think it's clear he'll do the same at all. The players he's buying/bought' already indicate that he's got something a bit different up his sleeve. Why is it so hard to believe he has a plan some thing like "Right got my attackers, come the summer I'll have my two defenders too and league title here we come."
posted on 3/12/14
● (U4443)
It would be somewhat naïve of Arsenal to make brash comments on exactly what resource they have available, and history shows what the club state, and report are not always comparable.
There is also a belief that KSE are required to retain circa £75m in the reserves as capital which they can borrow against, which may go some way to explain why the reserves have largely been unspent.
That said we are in a sound financial position but when compared to United’s turnover we are a long way behind – especially commercial revenue.
posted on 3/12/14
Why is it so hard to believe he has a plan some thing like "Right got my attackers, come the summer I'll have my two defenders too and league title here we come."
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Because we've had defensive issues for a decade now and he's never addressed them before. Even this summer, the priorities were clear: A DM, a CB or two and perhaps a top striker if we can get one in.
OK, I won't complain about the Alexis signing. That was available and he made his move. But he had a whole summer to plan for the main priorities. But nothing came. In fact we're left weakened in those areas.
posted on 3/12/14
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
● (U4443)
It would be somewhat naïve of Arsenal to make brash comments on exactly what resource they have available, and history shows what the club state, and report are not always comparable.
There is also a belief that KSE are required to retain circa £75m in the reserves as capital which they can borrow against, which may go some way to explain why the reserves have largely been unspent.
That said we are in a sound financial position but when compared to United’s turnover we are a long way behind – especially commercial revenue.
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If that's true then Kroenke should go fack himself on his new ranch.
posted on 3/12/14
I wouldn't say he's done nothing about the defensive issues - more he's not been successful in solving our defensive issues. Although letting TV go with nothing on the horizon was borderline criminal - although he's not having the best time of it right now either as it turns out.
posted on 3/12/14
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 10 minutes ago
2) Many fans hanker for Klopp. (there’s a joke in there somewhere). While there are certainly others who could achieve more than AW currently is, Klopp basically told Dortmund fans earlier in the week that crave silverware, to go and support Bayern. In turn the Dortmund fans displayed a banner showing their support for Klopp – a stark difference to the banner displayed at the Hawthorns in regard to AW.
___________
That comment by Klopp was tongue in cheek.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Klopp said on Monday when asked about fans being unable to cope with defeats:
"Who only want success have one chance: To become a FC Bayern fan."
Klopp was fairly explicit.
posted on 3/12/14
The trouble I have is that most of the pro-Wenger comments are based on hope, rather than expectation. It's hoped Wenger will get in reinforcements, and we hope he might learn from his mistakes, and we hope he'll put more emphasis on the defensive issues we have. We have no real basis for any of these points.
posted on 3/12/14
But surely you hope a new manager would improve things? What basis do you have? It's all faith. No-one can actually guarantee any team will win anything - some managers can make a positive difference for sure, but there's still no guarantees.
posted on 3/12/14
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 6 minutes ago
I wouldn't say he's done nothing about the defensive issues - more he's not been successful in solving our defensive issues. Although letting TV go with nothing on the horizon was borderline criminal - although he's not having the best time of it right now either as it turns out.
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The thing is though - With all our defenders fit, we are only short a quality centre back. This has to be done in January if Wenger has any ambitions for this season to be a success.
The other signing required to complete the team is a quality DM - Every single person with a pulse in the world can see this.
Two signings - That is all that is required in January for us to have a competitive squad - He has had since September 2nd to identify targets for these positions and his excuse about January being difficult for buying people simply won't fly this time around.
He points to injury crises - But being honest, we had TWO defensive injuries, causing us to play a back up left back in central defence, and a young (but talented) centre back at right back, not forgetting a rookie right back starting away to Dortmund in the CL.
If a squad's defence cannot cope with two injuries, then it is not a good enough squad - If Wenger fails to address this in January then there can be no defending him.
posted on 3/12/14
why do you guys persistently think he will address you perceived shortcomings in the squad?
Year in year out you delude yourselves he will fix the issues in the squad, and year in year out wenger does what he thinks.
I don't need to wait until 2017 to see that Arsene won't win the PL. Injuries, tactics, poor defending will see to that, and has done since 2008.
posted on 3/12/14
is it doesn't matter how you mix this argument up, the 1 thing we know is "he" (Wenger) and/or Arsenal board, always come up short. even in his most successful years of winning the title we had chances to win it back to back if we had only strengthened the squad a bit by 1 or 2 more quality players. Never happened.
posted on 3/12/14
Wenger: Hurrah! we won the title!
Wenger's Dad: That's rubbish, why didn't you win the cup too?
Wenger: Hurrah! We won the cup and the title!
Wenger's Dad: That's rubbish, why didn't you win back-to-back titles?
Wenger: Oh feck off dad, you ungrateful git. You negative attitude is having a detrimental effect on my emotional wellbeing.
Wenger's Dad: Gay.
posted on 3/12/14
Does Wenger realise that we will actually have to beat at least one of Chelsea, City and UTD to have a chance of winning the league?
With him at the helm it won't happen, the silly old fool!
posted on 3/12/14
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 10 minutes ago
2) Many fans hanker for Klopp. (there’s a joke in there somewhere). While there are certainly others who could achieve more than AW currently is, Klopp basically told Dortmund fans earlier in the week that crave silverware, to go and support Bayern. In turn the Dortmund fans displayed a banner showing their support for Klopp – a stark difference to the banner displayed at the Hawthorns in regard to AW.
___________
That comment by Klopp was tongue in cheek.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Klopp said on Monday when asked about fans being unable to cope with defeats:
"Who only want success have one chance: To become a FC Bayern fan."
Klopp was fairly explicit.
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I listen to that presser myself...he is in real trouble and for the first time under real pressure and the comment he made was his "easy" way to give an answer of journalist question why Dortmund is in that situation.
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