Arsenal would be playing teams on their level or worse than them in the Europa.
Of course they'd have a good chance of winning it.
You ask why the Europa is devalued and then say a tactically inept and failure of a manager in terms of Europa could win it?
Think you are answering your own question.
How does that devalue anything? There are plenty of managers WORSE than Wenger who have won the Champions League, never mind the Europa.
Keep digging that hole, you've embarrassed yourself
comment by Bats (U18355)
posted 25 seconds ago
How does that devalue anything? There are plenty of managers WORSE than Wenger who have won the Champions League, never mind the Europa.
Keep digging that hole, you've embarrassed yourself
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So we should stay in the CL then...
Roberto Di Matteo has actually won the CL. UNBELIEVABLE
DJ, this is embarrassing tbh. Give it a rest.
comment by Serial WUManiser™© - #WengerOut (U1410)
posted 2 minutes ago
If a manager has managed to qualify for the knockout stages 15 years in a row, something that even City with their millions have only managed once, then surely it stands to reason that he must be doing something right in said competion, right?
I think people are unable to see how ridiculously difficult it would be to be that consistent because you are so used to us qualifying.
The arguement that he hasnt won it isnt a great one either, Fergie probably the greatest manager of all time only one it twice and both times were very fortunate indeed! You need a lot of luck to win that trophy has united and chelsea will testify but to be as consistent in terms of qualifying is not lucky at all, and should be recognised.
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What?!?!
Not only have you failed to answer the question, I think you've totally confused yourself. Sometime I wonder if you actually believe half of the shít you spout.
Wenger has never won a European trophy. and it's not as though he hasn't had ample opportunities either. However great his domestic achievements have been, he has been an abject failure in Europe. There's no why to sugar coat it.
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Abject failure??? You are speaking as if its a god given right for us to have won a European trophy. As if we are real Madrid or the greatest team in history and that Wenger has held us back from winning it or somthing Where do you get this entitlement culture?
Fact is, there have only been a few years where we were considered in the top 4 or 5 teams who could win it. The only real failures were the Wayne Bridge Chelsea robber and perhaps one or two others, Sevilla was pretty dismal. Every other time we have gone out we have been favourite to.
What have you struggled to understand? I have said that pretty much all the english wins of the champions league have been lucky and that even the greatest manager of all time was very fortunate to ever have the champions league on his cv, winning it is pretty much a lottery even if you have the best team on the planet. However continuously getting to the stage where you have a chance to win it is an incredible achievement however you try to devalue it!
Yea DJ, I said we should stay in the CL. That's exactly what I said. LEARN TO READ.
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 14 seconds ago
DJ, this is embarrassing tbh. Give it a rest.
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It must be, you contradicting your own points .
Sorry for embarrassing you, but it has to be done.
Which mighty teams were in arsenals group again?
But Arsenal don't continually get to a stage where you have a chance to win it, that's why Wenger's record in Europe isn't great.
Abject failure??? You are speaking as if its a god given right for us to have won a European trophy
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Who mentioned anything about any entitlement to win it?! Oh yeah, you. Probably to deflect the discussion from your pointless argument. Wenger has never won a European trophy. And when you consider the number of seasons he's participated in Europe, yes that is failure. Is there any manager out there that has been in Europe for that amount time yet never won it?! NO
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 14 seconds ago
DJ, this is embarrassing tbh. Give it a rest.
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It must be, you contradicting your own points .
Sorry for embarrassing you, but it has to be done.
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It wasn't me who made that comment. Once again, please learn to read
No, it was Sheriff... The person I responded to.
"I have said that pretty much all the english wins
of the champions league have been lucky and that even the greatest manager of all time was
very fortunate to ever have the champions league on his cv, winning it is pretty much a lottery even if you have the best
team on the planet."
This is nonsense. Total nonsense. Fergie created 2 highly resilient teams who fight to the last and deservedly won the competition in conditions where Arsenal would have mentally and physically capitulated. There was nothing lucky about it. That's the failure mentality that makes us the mental midgets we are. Arsenal are CL failures. It's clear to anyone who isn't in denial. We couldn't even make the quarters of the competition until our 6th attempt. Something Spurs did at their first attempt. Teams like Leeds and Chelsea made the semis in their first attempt. I final and 2 semis in 17 years of CL footy is mediocre.
"No, it was Sheriff... The person I responded to."
I didn't make the comment either. You're all over the place and you're embarrassing yourself. Just salvage some little dignity and quit.
So the comment under your username and number wasn't made by you, Sheriff?
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
Haha the way Godfather just deflects any bit of criticism is amazing, even Robb wasn't this bad.
Of criticism from Wenger*
comment by Di Maria's Left Foot - Louis van Gaal's Red and White Army!! (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Haha the way Godfather just deflects any bit of criticism is amazing, even Robb wasn't this bad.
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He;s on the WUM. No way can anyone be that stupid.
How about counting the number of CL knockout rounds Arsenal have actually won under Wenger over the total number of rounds contested? Probably 50% tops.
comment by Serial WUManiser™© - #WengerOut (U1410)
posted 10 minutes ago
Abject failure??? You are speaking as if its a god given right for us to have won a European trophy
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Who mentioned anything about any entitlement to win it?! Oh yeah, you. Probably to deflect the discussion from your pointless argument. Wenger has never won a European trophy. And when you consider the number of seasons he's participated in Europe, yes that is failure. Is there any manager out there that has been in Europe for that amount time yet never won it?! NO
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What on earth are you talking about
I'll have to use an extreme example to help you here:
If Burnley were in the champions league for 20 years but hadnt won it would you be calling thier manager a failure? I have to use such an extreme example because you are not seeming to grab the concept.
We are not expected to win the champions league, every single year we have participated. Therefore not winning it is not failure its par for course.
If Wenger had won the champions league in the last ten years we wouldnt all be sitting here saying he has met all our expectations and achieved the minimum. It would be considered an amazing achievement. Therefore, aside from the few examples i mentionned before, not winning it is just par for course, not some kind of dismal failure.
Pretty much the whole point of this article right? We have very little chance of winning the CL so Europa would have been better.
You are allowed to want Wenger out, whilst accepting some of his success you know. you dont have to try to devalue every single thing he has done to somehow try to prove your point. You are like a pantomime character one extreme or another no grey inbetween
I'm actually convinced it is Rob, Arab.
They use the same debating techniques and have similar writing styles.
Sign in if you want to comment
Laugh at Liverpool...really?
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posted on 10/12/14
Arsenal would be playing teams on their level or worse than them in the Europa.
Of course they'd have a good chance of winning it.
posted on 10/12/14
You ask why the Europa is devalued and then say a tactically inept and failure of a manager in terms of Europa could win it?
Think you are answering your own question.
posted on 10/12/14
Well AVB won it.
posted on 10/12/14
How does that devalue anything? There are plenty of managers WORSE than Wenger who have won the Champions League, never mind the Europa.
Keep digging that hole, you've embarrassed yourself
posted on 10/12/14
comment by Bats (U18355)
posted 25 seconds ago
How does that devalue anything? There are plenty of managers WORSE than Wenger who have won the Champions League, never mind the Europa.
Keep digging that hole, you've embarrassed yourself
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So we should stay in the CL then...
posted on 10/12/14
Roberto Di Matteo has actually won the CL. UNBELIEVABLE
posted on 10/12/14
DJ, this is embarrassing tbh. Give it a rest.
posted on 10/12/14
comment by Serial WUManiser™© - #WengerOut (U1410)
posted 2 minutes ago
If a manager has managed to qualify for the knockout stages 15 years in a row, something that even City with their millions have only managed once, then surely it stands to reason that he must be doing something right in said competion, right?
I think people are unable to see how ridiculously difficult it would be to be that consistent because you are so used to us qualifying.
The arguement that he hasnt won it isnt a great one either, Fergie probably the greatest manager of all time only one it twice and both times were very fortunate indeed! You need a lot of luck to win that trophy has united and chelsea will testify but to be as consistent in terms of qualifying is not lucky at all, and should be recognised.
---------------------------
What?!?!
Not only have you failed to answer the question, I think you've totally confused yourself. Sometime I wonder if you actually believe half of the shít you spout.
Wenger has never won a European trophy. and it's not as though he hasn't had ample opportunities either. However great his domestic achievements have been, he has been an abject failure in Europe. There's no why to sugar coat it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Abject failure??? You are speaking as if its a god given right for us to have won a European trophy. As if we are real Madrid or the greatest team in history and that Wenger has held us back from winning it or somthing Where do you get this entitlement culture?
Fact is, there have only been a few years where we were considered in the top 4 or 5 teams who could win it. The only real failures were the Wayne Bridge Chelsea robber and perhaps one or two others, Sevilla was pretty dismal. Every other time we have gone out we have been favourite to.
What have you struggled to understand? I have said that pretty much all the english wins of the champions league have been lucky and that even the greatest manager of all time was very fortunate to ever have the champions league on his cv, winning it is pretty much a lottery even if you have the best team on the planet. However continuously getting to the stage where you have a chance to win it is an incredible achievement however you try to devalue it!
posted on 10/12/14
Yea DJ, I said we should stay in the CL. That's exactly what I said. LEARN TO READ.
posted on 10/12/14
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 14 seconds ago
DJ, this is embarrassing tbh. Give it a rest.
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It must be, you contradicting your own points .
Sorry for embarrassing you, but it has to be done.
posted on 10/12/14
Which mighty teams were in arsenals group again?
posted on 10/12/14
But Arsenal don't continually get to a stage where you have a chance to win it, that's why Wenger's record in Europe isn't great.
posted on 10/12/14
Abject failure??? You are speaking as if its a god given right for us to have won a European trophy
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Who mentioned anything about any entitlement to win it?! Oh yeah, you. Probably to deflect the discussion from your pointless argument. Wenger has never won a European trophy. And when you consider the number of seasons he's participated in Europe, yes that is failure. Is there any manager out there that has been in Europe for that amount time yet never won it?! NO
posted on 10/12/14
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 14 seconds ago
DJ, this is embarrassing tbh. Give it a rest.
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It must be, you contradicting your own points .
Sorry for embarrassing you, but it has to be done.
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It wasn't me who made that comment. Once again, please learn to read
posted on 10/12/14
No, it was Sheriff... The person I responded to.
posted on 10/12/14
"I have said that pretty much all the english wins
of the champions league have been lucky and that even the greatest manager of all time was
very fortunate to ever have the champions league on his cv, winning it is pretty much a lottery even if you have the best
team on the planet."
This is nonsense. Total nonsense. Fergie created 2 highly resilient teams who fight to the last and deservedly won the competition in conditions where Arsenal would have mentally and physically capitulated. There was nothing lucky about it. That's the failure mentality that makes us the mental midgets we are. Arsenal are CL failures. It's clear to anyone who isn't in denial. We couldn't even make the quarters of the competition until our 6th attempt. Something Spurs did at their first attempt. Teams like Leeds and Chelsea made the semis in their first attempt. I final and 2 semis in 17 years of CL footy is mediocre.
posted on 10/12/14
"No, it was Sheriff... The person I responded to."
I didn't make the comment either. You're all over the place and you're embarrassing yourself. Just salvage some little dignity and quit.
posted on 10/12/14
posted on 10/12/14
So the comment under your username and number wasn't made by you, Sheriff?
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
posted on 10/12/14
Haha the way Godfather just deflects any bit of criticism is amazing, even Robb wasn't this bad.
posted on 10/12/14
Of criticism from Wenger*
posted on 10/12/14
comment by Di Maria's Left Foot - Louis van Gaal's Red and White Army!! (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Haha the way Godfather just deflects any bit of criticism is amazing, even Robb wasn't this bad.
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He;s on the WUM. No way can anyone be that stupid.
posted on 10/12/14
How about counting the number of CL knockout rounds Arsenal have actually won under Wenger over the total number of rounds contested? Probably 50% tops.
posted on 10/12/14
comment by Serial WUManiser™© - #WengerOut (U1410)
posted 10 minutes ago
Abject failure??? You are speaking as if its a god given right for us to have won a European trophy
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Who mentioned anything about any entitlement to win it?! Oh yeah, you. Probably to deflect the discussion from your pointless argument. Wenger has never won a European trophy. And when you consider the number of seasons he's participated in Europe, yes that is failure. Is there any manager out there that has been in Europe for that amount time yet never won it?! NO
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What on earth are you talking about
I'll have to use an extreme example to help you here:
If Burnley were in the champions league for 20 years but hadnt won it would you be calling thier manager a failure? I have to use such an extreme example because you are not seeming to grab the concept.
We are not expected to win the champions league, every single year we have participated. Therefore not winning it is not failure its par for course.
If Wenger had won the champions league in the last ten years we wouldnt all be sitting here saying he has met all our expectations and achieved the minimum. It would be considered an amazing achievement. Therefore, aside from the few examples i mentionned before, not winning it is just par for course, not some kind of dismal failure.
Pretty much the whole point of this article right? We have very little chance of winning the CL so Europa would have been better.
You are allowed to want Wenger out, whilst accepting some of his success you know. you dont have to try to devalue every single thing he has done to somehow try to prove your point. You are like a pantomime character one extreme or another no grey inbetween
posted on 10/12/14
I'm actually convinced it is Rob, Arab.
They use the same debating techniques and have similar writing styles.
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