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comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 16/12/14

comment by Mr Chelsea ✪ (U3579)
posted 31 minutes ago
Courtois is brilliant at commanding his area. Cech couldnt do this. Not sure De Gea can do it like Courtois can. He's so assured when he comes out out to catch a ball.
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Agree, I can only think of VDS being as good in recent times.

posted on 16/12/14

comment by Kevin De Bruyne #BurritoBaconSushiRoll (U14678)
posted 49 seconds ago
Peter Schmeichel is a rare occurance where all the praise is just. Messi or Ronaldo like. You just can't say how good they are and it be enough. Schmeichel was the same. He once had Bruce Grobbelar, the Liverpool(!) goalkeeper jumping up and applauding a save he made DURING a United vs Liverpool game. If that doesn't show you how outrageously incredible and gifted Peter Schmeichel was, nothing will. In his own role on the field, no one has played a position better than Schmeichel in the premier leagues history for me, as impossible as that is to quantify.
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When Cech made that save against United in the FA Cup, I'm sure there were many players and keepers praising it on twitter. I think all keepers can make a brilliant save at any moment, and that's not really a good factor to judge a keepers ability on.

I don't agree with your second point, as I do think Cech has been as good if not better, as impossible as it's to compare two keepers from different eras.
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Twitter is not the same as what I described. The Liverpool goalkeeper, during a game, jumping for joy and applauding what the Manchester United goalkeeper had just done, at the height of the rivalry in the early 90's.

You are entitled to your opinion, of course. But I would strongly suggest you take a look at Peter Schmeichel's career. He basically won Denmark the EUROs on his own. Without question to me, Peter Schmeichel is the best ever, and I've not seen anyone close to him. Cech for example, has never been an innovator in goal, and has clear weaknesses in his game. He also has had clear lulls in his time at Chelsea, like van der Sar did for United. I don't remember Schmeichel ever having more than 1 bad game for United in a row with the exception of his first few months with us, and those games were years apart. Unique.

posted on 16/12/14

comment by Busbybabes. (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mr Chelsea ✪ (U3579)
posted 31 minutes ago
Courtois is brilliant at commanding his area. Cech couldnt do this. Not sure De Gea can do it like Courtois can. He's so assured when he comes out out to catch a ball.
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Agree, I can only think of VDS being as good in recent times.
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But you change your opinion depending on the argument as we have seen many times.

posted on 16/12/14

comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Droog (U17596)
posted 5 minutes ago
Manc Python went quiet.
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Sorry was there a question I should have answered?
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The bit where you said Cech had been poor internationally despite the fact he’s won the last 6 consecutive player of the year awards and 7 in total, it was a bit misguided.

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 16/12/14

comment by Say My Name (U18558)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Busbybabes. (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mr Chelsea ✪ (U3579)
posted 31 minutes ago
Courtois is brilliant at commanding his area. Cech couldnt do this. Not sure De Gea can do it like Courtois can. He's so assured when he comes out out to catch a ball.
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Agree, I can only think of VDS being as good in recent times.
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But you change your opinion depending on the argument as we have seen many times.
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Excuse me?

Have I ever spoken to you?

posted on 16/12/14

De Gea vs Courtois could bring the best out of both.

van der Sar vs Cech vs Reina got all three playing brilliantly.

Schmeichel is out there alone at the top. If we get to see a goalkeeper as good as him in this batch, we'll for sure know it. They'll do unique and unseen effort things, and be unarguably alone at the top as the best around.

posted on 16/12/14

comment by The Droog (U17596)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Droog (U17596)
posted 5 minutes ago
Manc Python went quiet.
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Sorry was there a question I should have answered?
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The bit where you said Cech had been poor internationally despite the fact he’s won the last 6 consecutive player of the year awards and 7 in total, it was a bit misguided.
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Someone replied to that: did he have any competition?

posted on 16/12/14

Unseen before*

posted on 16/12/14

comment by Busbybabes. (U19985)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Say My Name (U18558)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Busbybabes. (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mr Chelsea ✪ (U3579)
posted 31 minutes ago
Courtois is brilliant at commanding his area. Cech couldnt do this. Not sure De Gea can do it like Courtois can. He's so assured when he comes out out to catch a ball.
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Agree, I can only think of VDS being as good in recent times.
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But you change your opinion depending on the argument as we have seen many times.
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Excuse me?

Have I ever spoken to you?
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posted on 16/12/14

Well they are a top 20 Fifa ranked team and are always pretty competitive, just recently they’ve beaten the Netherlands and won away in Turkey during the qualifying campaign, they are a decent footballing nation. I’m pretty sure he’d have some competition, it is just arrogant to suggest otherwise. It still makes a ko0ckery of the original point I was quashing, that he has been poor internationally, he clearly hasn’t.

posted on 16/12/14

Peter Schmeichel is a rare occurance where all the praise is just. Messi or Ronaldo like. You just can't say how good they are and it be enough. Schmeichel was the same. He once had Bruce Grobbelar, the Liverpool(!) goalkeeper jumping up and applauding a save he made DURING a United vs Liverpool game. If that doesn't show you how outrageously incredible and gifted Peter Schmeichel was, nothing will. In his own role on the field, no one has played a position better than Schmeichel in the premier leagues history for me, as impossible as that is to quantify.
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Praise from an opposition player really doesn't mean much in a one of instance. This could happen to any keeper as they make an impossible save.

Schemichael did have his bad moments, he wasn't error prone. Czech rarely made errors. Also I can say Cech basically won us the CL with his great displays against Barca and Bayern, that's not it though, he had some amazing games in the CC finals and FA Cup finals, him and Drogba have nearly always stepped up when needed for their club sides.

I don't know what you mean by 'innovator', this is quite ambiguous, and I personally wouldn't make such claims about Cech as I'm too young to have much knowledge about the keepers from the 80s all the way back to the late 1800s, so don't know when something was truly innovated or not.

But anyway, we will just go round in circles here, so no point. As a neutral during the period Schemichael dominated, Schemichael was a great keeper, he was my favourite United player. I just think some are overhyping, but that's my opinion.

posted on 16/12/14

comment by The Droog (U17596)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Droog (U17596)
posted 5 minutes ago
Manc Python went quiet.
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Sorry was there a question I should have answered?
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The bit where you said Cech had been poor internationally despite the fact he’s won the last 6 consecutive player of the year awards and 7 in total, it was a bit misguided.
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Haha what?? He has made some massive mistakes in big international tournaments. Czech Republic is hardly littered with excellent players.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Hg_woLx6ik

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kkODcGAaiMk

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TF1hepZ_Yac

Now I know all keepers make mistakes but some of them are huge mistakes in big games

posted on 16/12/14

I've haven't seen much of Schmeichel so can't really say he is or isn't the best GK in the PL era. But for me Cech is the best keeper I've seen in the PL. Yes he's had some bad times but so has every keeper.

I thought VDS was better at Fulham.

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 16/12/14

comment by The Droog (U17596)
posted 26 seconds ago
Well they are a top 20 Fifa ranked team and are always pretty competitive, just recently they’ve beaten the Netherlands and won away in Turkey during the qualifying campaign, they are a decent footballing nation. I’m pretty sure he’d have some competition, it is just arrogant to suggest otherwise. It still makes a ko0ckery of the original point I was quashing, that he has been poor internationally, he clearly hasn’t.
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Karel Poborský and Jon Koller are world class.

posted on 16/12/14

Why compare and criticize...just be glad we got 'im!
Yes, I mean DDG, Virginia!

posted on 16/12/14

^^ i don't think he was suggesting he has been poor internationally but that he cost his nation dearly - or at the very least was a major contributor to their loss at the Euros. Which he did!

Of course, any player can have a rotten tournament - Messi/ CR for e.g. It doesn't invalidate that earlier salient point.

posted on 16/12/14

Well they are a top 20 Fifa ranked team and are always pretty competitive, just recently they’ve beaten the Netherlands and won away in Turkey during the qualifying campaign, they are a decent footballing nation. I’m pretty sure he’d have some competition, it is just arrogant to suggest otherwise. It still makes a ko0ckery of the original point I was quashing, that he has been poor internationally, he clearly hasn’t
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Well yes look at my links. I have just made a mockery of your points.
Thank you and ta ta sweetheart

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 16/12/14

"I thought VDS was better at Fulham."

He was awesome for us, practically never messed up a kick, plucked the ball from the air Courtois style and was a pretty good shot stopper. Controlled the box as good as anybody.

posted on 16/12/14

‘keeper makes error shock’, he’s given the national team years of excellent service as he regular player of the year awards among a solid international teams suggests, compared to say a couple of carefully selected by yourself over those years. Apart from the fact you’ve backed yourself in tot a corner and can’t admit you’re wrong I don’t know why you’re even trying to argue the point that Cech has been a poor international keeper, the notion is ludicrous.

posted on 16/12/14

"I don't know what you mean by 'innovator'"

Schmeichel as a kid played a lot of Handball and incorporated techniques used into his goalkeeping when playing football. Before Schmeichel, I don't recall keeper utilising the Handball star jump saves technique.

Also no keeper as far as I can recall where throwing the ball the way Schmeichel did. It blew people's minds when he would create a break throwing the ball past the halfway line.

posted on 16/12/14

comment by Busbybabes. (U19985)
posted 19 seconds ago
"I thought VDS was better at Fulham."

He was awesome for us, practically never messed up a kick, plucked the ball from the air Courtois style and was a pretty good shot stopper. Controlled the box as good as anybody.
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He was indeed.

Though with a caveat that vs Barca , 2ND CL - i must say we would have still lost - but Messi and Villa goals should not have been conceded.

VDS did not bring his A-game that day.

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 16/12/14

The Droog (U17596)

It's clear you pay far more attention to the Czech national team than the average poster, who can only comment on international tournaments in which he hasn't covered himself in glory. As mentioned, you watch them that much we'd have to take your word for it.

One thing is for sure, Peter Schmeichel eclipsed Petr Cech's international career.

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 16/12/14

comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Busbybabes. (U19985)
posted 19 seconds ago
"I thought VDS was better at Fulham."

He was awesome for us, practically never messed up a kick, plucked the ball from the air Courtois style and was a pretty good shot stopper. Controlled the box as good as anybody.
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He was indeed.

Though with a caveat that vs Barca , 2ND CL - i must say we would have still lost - but Messi and Villa goals should not have been conceded.

VDS did not bring his A-game that day.
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I agree, he was good versus Chelsea when we won the CL mind.

posted on 16/12/14

comment by Kevin De Bruyne #BurritoBaconSushiRoll (U14678)
posted 6 minutes ago
Peter Schmeichel is a rare occurance where all the praise is just. Messi or Ronaldo like. You just can't say how good they are and it be enough. Schmeichel was the same. He once had Bruce Grobbelar, the Liverpool(!) goalkeeper jumping up and applauding a save he made DURING a United vs Liverpool game. If that doesn't show you how outrageously incredible and gifted Peter Schmeichel was, nothing will. In his own role on the field, no one has played a position better than Schmeichel in the premier leagues history for me, as impossible as that is to quantify.
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When Cech made that save against United in the FA Cup, I'm sure there were many players and keepers praising it on twitter. I think all keepers can make a brilliant save at any moment, and that's not really a good factor to judge a keepers ability on.

I don't agree with your second point, as I do think Cech has been as good if not better, as impossible as it's to compare two keepers from different eras.
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how old you??

posted on 16/12/14

Schmeichel's performances against Holland and Germany in Euro '92 are up there with the best individual performances by any player in any international tournament, they were unreal.

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