comment by Clever - son son son - 'Falcoff, it's only a mata of time before we have our Rojo back for Shaw. (U18599)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Say My Name (U18558)
posted 5 seconds ago
So let's sum up so far.
1 billion for multiple trophies
200m for a single goal
Clearly the 1billion was better spent.
(Incidentally Chelsea are now worth around 700m more than what RA paid so he's got most of his 1billion back but hey don't let the facts get in the way of your story)
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#Plastic
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Got no answer to the facts just name calling.
My work is done. You are defeated owned and made to look a complete mug.
There has never been a bigger failure on JA606 so well done.
comment by Say My Name (U18558)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Falcoff, it's only a mata of time before we have our Rojo back for Shaw. (U18599)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by XMAS P.U.D.D - Luke Shaw makes me throb with desire(U9612)
posted 6 minutes ago
On this thread I have read some amusing things. One of the most amusing is Chelsea fans talking about wasting money
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We're newcomers to this spending money lark compared to Manchester United who have been at it for years - and the irony is they are now on another massive spending spree just to try and get back to our level!
So you must have wasted a lot of money somewhere over the last few years!
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That money didn't come from a sugar daddy. It came off the back of winning trophies. And there you have the big difference.
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Are you stupid.
The Moores took over Liverpool when they were in Div 2. Not winning trophies.
Your money came from a share issue not from winning trophies.
If you think a share issue is acceptable then you should know that RA converted all his loans to shares so it's just the same.
Keep coming.
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Share issue
United - most followed club in England, first winners and flag bearers for English football in Europe and self generated success that continues to be successful even with a leveraged debt.
Are you still upset that you couldn't compete until you were given free money?
CFC the 1 pound charity club
comment by Say My Name (U18558)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Falcoff, it's only a mata of time before we have our Rojo back for Shaw. (U18599)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Say My Name (U18558)
posted 5 seconds ago
So let's sum up so far.
1 billion for multiple trophies
200m for a single goal
Clearly the 1billion was better spent.
(Incidentally Chelsea are now worth around 700m more than what RA paid so he's got most of his 1billion back but hey don't let the facts get in the way of your story)
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#Plastic
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Got no answer to the facts just name calling.
My work is done. You are defeated owned and made to look a complete mug.
There has never been a bigger failure on JA606 so well done.
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Until you type
shevhenko and torres spent 6 seasons between them at chelsea scoring a total of 67 goals after an outlay of 80 mill
This clown say my name has been jizzing himself all over the utd board for weeks now over utds summer spend and falcao a loan player just over a cruciate and only here a wet day compared to torres and shevchenko.
comment by roonited (U11635)
posted 20 seconds ago
shevhenko and torres spent 6 seasons between them at chelsea scoring a total of 67 goals after an outlay of 80 mill
This clown say my name has been jizzing himself all over the utd board for weeks now over utds summer spend and falcao a loan player just over a cruciate and only here a wet day compared to torres and shevchenko.
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comment by WilsonX (U20071)
posted 14 seconds ago
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Go to bed then
comment by Say My Name (U18558)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Falcoff, it's only a mata of time before we have our Rojo back for Shaw. (U18599)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Say My Name (U18558)
posted 5 seconds ago
So let's sum up so far.
1 billion for multiple trophies
200m for a single goal
Clearly the 1billion was better spent.
(Incidentally Chelsea are now worth around 700m more than what RA paid so he's got most of his 1billion back but hey don't let the facts get in the way of your story)
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#Plastic
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Got no answer to the facts just name calling.
My work is done. You are defeated owned and made to look a complete mug.
There has never been a bigger failure on JA606 so well done.
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I think the biggest failure came when you started spouting crap towards the end of this thread:
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/296456
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Say My Name (U18558)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Falcoff, it's only a mata of time before we have our Rojo back for Shaw. (U18599)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Say My Name (U18558)
posted 5 seconds ago
So let's sum up so far.
1 billion for multiple trophies
200m for a single goal
Clearly the 1billion was better spent.
(Incidentally Chelsea are now worth around 700m more than what RA paid so he's got most of his 1billion back but hey don't let the facts get in the way of your story)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
#Plastic
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Got no answer to the facts just name calling.
My work is done. You are defeated owned and made to look a complete mug.
There has never been a bigger failure on JA606 so well done.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think the biggest failure came when you started spouting crap towards the end of this thread:
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/296456
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The last comment by Arab
That money didn't come from a sugar daddy. It came off the back of winning trophies. And there you have the big difference.
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The money have comes from the freakish support you have following a tragic disaster in 1958 (something acknowledged by many within your club before you try disputing it).
That support gave you a massive advantage over every club in the country in being able to buy the best players and you've still managed to feck things up over the last forty years from time to time!
Stop giving me bull$hit!
"The money have comes from the freakish support you have following a tragic disaster in 1958 (something acknowledged by many within your club before you try disputing it)."
It didn't to be fair, it was the three share issues and promoting a change in the allocation of match day revenue that did it. At the beginning of the pl, Uniteds revenue was the same as Spurs.
melton, they've had a freakish support borne from that accident - even in the 2nd division in the 70's they used to sell out a 60,000 stadium every week.
They're support only dipped below 40,000 in the dark days of the 80's when crowds fell everywhere anyway!
Without it they'd be the same as the rest of us mere mortals!
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 minutes ago
"The money have comes from the freakish support you have following a tragic disaster in 1958 (something acknowledged by many within your club before you try disputing it)."
It didn't to be fair, it was the three share issues and promoting a change in the allocation of match day revenue that did it. At the beginning of the pl, Uniteds revenue was the same as Spurs.
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It never ceases to amaze how many of United's fans don't even know where their money came form Even Sky pumped money in and owned shares.
Actually when I think about it I'm not really amazed. More disbelief that you can support a club and not know its 'istory.
They did, but you're overestimating the revenue as a consequence of that, match day allocation was equally divided so it didn't make much difference to the bottom line. Their support grew more after the war when OT was bombed, you're right that Munich also created a groundswell of support as well though. I'm just saying that it was the share issue, the investment of Gibson and the implementation of the PL and Sky that are the three main reasons behind Uniteds revenue growth over the past 25 years. Before that, they were in the eighties on the same level of revenue as Spurs.
More equally divided, that should have said.
melton I think you underestimate the effect of that fanbase. Just merchandising alone without the crowds is a massive advantage.
I don't know if matchday revenue was divided equally but even so, half the revenue of a 60,000 gate every home game is still a big advantage of a club getting half the revenue of a 30,000 gate every home game!
Brummie, the Busby babes were a big draw before the Munich tragedy. Of course, there was some sympathetic support after that, but I don't think you can discount the football they played in the Best, Law, Charlton era, which drew big crowds.
Of course, you can argue it is a one off, but the side that won the treble,whilst it had some money behind it, contained half a dozen from a previous youth team.
I am no economist, but why is a share issue treated as some unusual occurrence. Is is not a common tool used in business ?
With Jose, CFC are a top team, as long as he stays, I expect to see Chelsea win some more titles and a CL final. If he leaves, I doubt it, Jose has magic with CFC, just his record against SAF scares the beejeezuss out of me. Roman will keep him happy this time around.
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I get what you are saying. It wasn't though, the policy was to share match day revenue and the proceeds really weren't that great anyway. Merchandise from football was worth sod all back then too. I'm just saying that United did not earn much money in the seventies and eighties just like every other football club didn't. What propelled them upwards when ferguson joined was the share issue. A few clubs did it, circumventing existing FA rules at the time. Where United then solidified it was in employing fantastic businessmen when the pl was formed that saw the potential in marketing. They stole a lead on everyone that, due to the rapid growth of particularly overseas interest, will take years if at all to catch up.
They deserve huge amounts of respect for what they have achieved in the past 25 years. It is right to say that the initial reasoning behind it is not that much different to Chelsea - outside investment made a decisive difference.
Brummie, the Busby babes were a big draw before the Munich tragedy. Of course, there was some sympathetic support after that, but I don't think you can discount the football they played in the Best, Law, Charlton era, which drew big crowds."
Think you've mixed the two up a bit there. You're right, the holy trinity era was post Munich though.
In an effort to spread a little seasonal cheer heres a little light relief courtesy of Sky.
Spoiler: (Cha.avs may not enjoy this quite so much]
https://amp.twimg.com/v/ec5e9dfa-f05f-42b7-9648-9a66bb18e1dd
enjoy
Thats the point I'm trying to make GUNNER. They were a big club and big draw pre Munich but the groundswell of public sympathy after it catapulted them to a different level to the rest of the league.
Don't forget going back to the 50's Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Everton, City even clubs like Sheffield Wednesday used to command large crowds similar to Utd!
The only time they've failed to use that advantage was the 70's and early 80's - and the last few years!
I know this thread was originally a wum, but if anyone is interested in this, then Manchester A Footballing History is a great book detailing a lot of these periods.
comment by BlanchflowersBoots (U1763)
posted 35 seconds ago
In an effort to spread a little seasonal cheer heres a little light relief courtesy of Sky.
Spoiler: (Cha.avs may not enjoy this quite so much]
https://amp.twimg.com/v/ec5e9dfa-f05f-42b7-9648-9a66bb18e1dd
enjoy
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You mean when we had the third highest away support in the country
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posted on 31/12/14
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Falcoff, it's only a mata of time before we have our Rojo back for Shaw. (U18599)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Say My Name (U18558)
posted 5 seconds ago
So let's sum up so far.
1 billion for multiple trophies
200m for a single goal
Clearly the 1billion was better spent.
(Incidentally Chelsea are now worth around 700m more than what RA paid so he's got most of his 1billion back but hey don't let the facts get in the way of your story)
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#Plastic
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Got no answer to the facts just name calling.
My work is done. You are defeated owned and made to look a complete mug.
There has never been a bigger failure on JA606 so well done.
posted on 31/12/14
comment by Say My Name (U18558)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Falcoff, it's only a mata of time before we have our Rojo back for Shaw. (U18599)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by XMAS P.U.D.D - Luke Shaw makes me throb with desire(U9612)
posted 6 minutes ago
On this thread I have read some amusing things. One of the most amusing is Chelsea fans talking about wasting money
------------------------------------------------------------
We're newcomers to this spending money lark compared to Manchester United who have been at it for years - and the irony is they are now on another massive spending spree just to try and get back to our level!
So you must have wasted a lot of money somewhere over the last few years!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That money didn't come from a sugar daddy. It came off the back of winning trophies. And there you have the big difference.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you stupid.
The Moores took over Liverpool when they were in Div 2. Not winning trophies.
Your money came from a share issue not from winning trophies.
If you think a share issue is acceptable then you should know that RA converted all his loans to shares so it's just the same.
Keep coming.
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Share issue
United - most followed club in England, first winners and flag bearers for English football in Europe and self generated success that continues to be successful even with a leveraged debt.
Are you still upset that you couldn't compete until you were given free money?
CFC the 1 pound charity club
posted on 31/12/14
comment by Say My Name (U18558)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Falcoff, it's only a mata of time before we have our Rojo back for Shaw. (U18599)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Say My Name (U18558)
posted 5 seconds ago
So let's sum up so far.
1 billion for multiple trophies
200m for a single goal
Clearly the 1billion was better spent.
(Incidentally Chelsea are now worth around 700m more than what RA paid so he's got most of his 1billion back but hey don't let the facts get in the way of your story)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
#Plastic
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Got no answer to the facts just name calling.
My work is done. You are defeated owned and made to look a complete mug.
There has never been a bigger failure on JA606 so well done.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Until you type
posted on 31/12/14
shevhenko and torres spent 6 seasons between them at chelsea scoring a total of 67 goals after an outlay of 80 mill
This clown say my name has been jizzing himself all over the utd board for weeks now over utds summer spend and falcao a loan player just over a cruciate and only here a wet day compared to torres and shevchenko.
posted on 31/12/14
comment by roonited (U11635)
posted 20 seconds ago
shevhenko and torres spent 6 seasons between them at chelsea scoring a total of 67 goals after an outlay of 80 mill
This clown say my name has been jizzing himself all over the utd board for weeks now over utds summer spend and falcao a loan player just over a cruciate and only here a wet day compared to torres and shevchenko.
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posted on 31/12/14
posted on 31/12/14
comment by WilsonX (U20071)
posted 14 seconds ago
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Go to bed then
posted on 31/12/14
comment by Say My Name (U18558)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Falcoff, it's only a mata of time before we have our Rojo back for Shaw. (U18599)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Say My Name (U18558)
posted 5 seconds ago
So let's sum up so far.
1 billion for multiple trophies
200m for a single goal
Clearly the 1billion was better spent.
(Incidentally Chelsea are now worth around 700m more than what RA paid so he's got most of his 1billion back but hey don't let the facts get in the way of your story)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
#Plastic
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Got no answer to the facts just name calling.
My work is done. You are defeated owned and made to look a complete mug.
There has never been a bigger failure on JA606 so well done.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think the biggest failure came when you started spouting crap towards the end of this thread:
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/296456
posted on 31/12/14
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Say My Name (U18558)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Falcoff, it's only a mata of time before we have our Rojo back for Shaw. (U18599)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Say My Name (U18558)
posted 5 seconds ago
So let's sum up so far.
1 billion for multiple trophies
200m for a single goal
Clearly the 1billion was better spent.
(Incidentally Chelsea are now worth around 700m more than what RA paid so he's got most of his 1billion back but hey don't let the facts get in the way of your story)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
#Plastic
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Got no answer to the facts just name calling.
My work is done. You are defeated owned and made to look a complete mug.
There has never been a bigger failure on JA606 so well done.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think the biggest failure came when you started spouting crap towards the end of this thread:
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/296456
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The last comment by Arab
posted on 31/12/14
That money didn't come from a sugar daddy. It came off the back of winning trophies. And there you have the big difference.
-------------------------------------------------------------
The money have comes from the freakish support you have following a tragic disaster in 1958 (something acknowledged by many within your club before you try disputing it).
That support gave you a massive advantage over every club in the country in being able to buy the best players and you've still managed to feck things up over the last forty years from time to time!
Stop giving me bull$hit!
posted on 31/12/14
"The money have comes from the freakish support you have following a tragic disaster in 1958 (something acknowledged by many within your club before you try disputing it)."
It didn't to be fair, it was the three share issues and promoting a change in the allocation of match day revenue that did it. At the beginning of the pl, Uniteds revenue was the same as Spurs.
posted on 31/12/14
melton, they've had a freakish support borne from that accident - even in the 2nd division in the 70's they used to sell out a 60,000 stadium every week.
They're support only dipped below 40,000 in the dark days of the 80's when crowds fell everywhere anyway!
Without it they'd be the same as the rest of us mere mortals!
posted on 31/12/14
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 minutes ago
"The money have comes from the freakish support you have following a tragic disaster in 1958 (something acknowledged by many within your club before you try disputing it)."
It didn't to be fair, it was the three share issues and promoting a change in the allocation of match day revenue that did it. At the beginning of the pl, Uniteds revenue was the same as Spurs.
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It never ceases to amaze how many of United's fans don't even know where their money came form Even Sky pumped money in and owned shares.
Actually when I think about it I'm not really amazed. More disbelief that you can support a club and not know its 'istory.
posted on 31/12/14
They did, but you're overestimating the revenue as a consequence of that, match day allocation was equally divided so it didn't make much difference to the bottom line. Their support grew more after the war when OT was bombed, you're right that Munich also created a groundswell of support as well though. I'm just saying that it was the share issue, the investment of Gibson and the implementation of the PL and Sky that are the three main reasons behind Uniteds revenue growth over the past 25 years. Before that, they were in the eighties on the same level of revenue as Spurs.
posted on 31/12/14
More equally divided, that should have said.
posted on 31/12/14
melton I think you underestimate the effect of that fanbase. Just merchandising alone without the crowds is a massive advantage.
I don't know if matchday revenue was divided equally but even so, half the revenue of a 60,000 gate every home game is still a big advantage of a club getting half the revenue of a 30,000 gate every home game!
posted on 31/12/14
Brummie, the Busby babes were a big draw before the Munich tragedy. Of course, there was some sympathetic support after that, but I don't think you can discount the football they played in the Best, Law, Charlton era, which drew big crowds.
Of course, you can argue it is a one off, but the side that won the treble,whilst it had some money behind it, contained half a dozen from a previous youth team.
I am no economist, but why is a share issue treated as some unusual occurrence. Is is not a common tool used in business ?
posted on 31/12/14
With Jose, CFC are a top team, as long as he stays, I expect to see Chelsea win some more titles and a CL final. If he leaves, I doubt it, Jose has magic with CFC, just his record against SAF scares the beejeezuss out of me. Roman will keep him happy this time around.
posted on 31/12/14
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posted on 31/12/14
I get what you are saying. It wasn't though, the policy was to share match day revenue and the proceeds really weren't that great anyway. Merchandise from football was worth sod all back then too. I'm just saying that United did not earn much money in the seventies and eighties just like every other football club didn't. What propelled them upwards when ferguson joined was the share issue. A few clubs did it, circumventing existing FA rules at the time. Where United then solidified it was in employing fantastic businessmen when the pl was formed that saw the potential in marketing. They stole a lead on everyone that, due to the rapid growth of particularly overseas interest, will take years if at all to catch up.
They deserve huge amounts of respect for what they have achieved in the past 25 years. It is right to say that the initial reasoning behind it is not that much different to Chelsea - outside investment made a decisive difference.
posted on 31/12/14
Brummie, the Busby babes were a big draw before the Munich tragedy. Of course, there was some sympathetic support after that, but I don't think you can discount the football they played in the Best, Law, Charlton era, which drew big crowds."
Think you've mixed the two up a bit there. You're right, the holy trinity era was post Munich though.
posted on 31/12/14
In an effort to spread a little seasonal cheer heres a little light relief courtesy of Sky.
Spoiler: (Cha.avs may not enjoy this quite so much]
https://amp.twimg.com/v/ec5e9dfa-f05f-42b7-9648-9a66bb18e1dd
enjoy
posted on 31/12/14
Thats the point I'm trying to make GUNNER. They were a big club and big draw pre Munich but the groundswell of public sympathy after it catapulted them to a different level to the rest of the league.
Don't forget going back to the 50's Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Everton, City even clubs like Sheffield Wednesday used to command large crowds similar to Utd!
The only time they've failed to use that advantage was the 70's and early 80's - and the last few years!
posted on 31/12/14
I know this thread was originally a wum, but if anyone is interested in this, then Manchester A Footballing History is a great book detailing a lot of these periods.
posted on 31/12/14
comment by BlanchflowersBoots (U1763)
posted 35 seconds ago
In an effort to spread a little seasonal cheer heres a little light relief courtesy of Sky.
Spoiler: (Cha.avs may not enjoy this quite so much]
https://amp.twimg.com/v/ec5e9dfa-f05f-42b7-9648-9a66bb18e1dd
enjoy
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You mean when we had the third highest away support in the country
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