It's not absurd at all, the judge instructed the jury to rule on each of them separately. We don't know what grounds the jury convicted him on.
xiuxiuejar, blanchflower
Why do I keep reading that he should be ALLOWED to continue playing football?
No law or legal ruling is stopping him so he is allowed.
The fact that a lot of people are not willing to have him at their club have spoken and proved that fans opinions carry some weight is fair testament to the moral decency of a lot of people.
His conviction may be overturned but even if it is I would not want him at WHL (if he were good enough)
The same as I would never want Joey Barton, Craig Bellamy or any other totally obnoxious little oik at THFC and they are far less objectionable than this CONVICTED morally disgraceful human being..
The fact that he even went to that hotel room is enough to give me a clear indication of the type of guy he is and I cant believe that anybody believes he deserves a 2nd chance.
Try stealing from work and going back to your company after your prison sentence to get your job back like he did to sheffield, do you think you would get your job back?
Do you think anybody else will give you a job knowing you are a thief? No of course they wont and thats a far lesser offence.
Yes there are wrong convictions but they are hardly 50/50 are they? The vast majority of people found guilty are guilty so I will accept the decision of our judicial system rather than a website any day of any week.
He was convicted, by a unanimous decision apparently but thats still not good enough for some.
In thsi country you are innocent until proven guilty and he was proven guilty.
You are then guilty until such time as an appeal or review finds you innocent so at this point in time he is GUILTY and as such should be treated accordingly just as he was treated innocently BEFORE the conviction.
As for the "people are jealous of what he earns brigade" I personally dont give a crap if he is a footballer ot a politician I am just saying that his wages would be paid by punters thru the turnstiles and if they dont want a person like that then fair play I agree 100%
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I had to sack a young lad at work yrs ago for stealing and he had a young baby and new home and he would of
found it very hard to get re- employed anywhere that wanted references. He was full of remorse and crying but I had no choice
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What a heartless man you are.
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I can't understand the reticence to consider that he may be innocent. Basically, he's been found guilty because she "can't remember" what happened.
This hardly seems a firm basis to convict a fella of rape especially when the only other witness that can remember what happened corroborates his version of events.
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Try stealing from work and going back to your company after your prison sentence to get your job back like he did to sheffield, do you think you would get your job back?
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He didn't try to rape his work though. The crime happened outside the work place which is different than being sacked for stealing from your workplace.
If you assault some one in the street and go to prison, you are more likely to be able to find work than someone who was sacked for assaulting someone in the workplace.
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comment by Harrys accountant (U1141)
posted 1 minute ago
I can't understand the reticence to consider that he may be innocent. Basically, he's been found guilty because she "can't remember" what happened.
This hardly seems a firm basis to convict a fella of rape especially when the only other witness that can remember what happened corroborates his version of events.
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"I can't remember" is mental really... imagine trying to get away with that with your missus - "did you cheat on me?" "I can't remember." "OK then, I'll let you off"
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comment by Harrys accountant (U1141)
posted 1 minute ago
I can't understand the reticence to consider that he may be innocent. Basically, he's been found guilty because she "can't remember" what happened.
This hardly seems a firm basis to convict a fella of rape especially when the only other witness that can remember what happened corroborates his version of events.
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"I can't remember" is mental really... imagine trying to get away with that with your missus - "did you cheat on me?" "I can't remember." "OK then, I'll let you off"
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It certainly makes a mockery of "beyond reasonable doubt."
Exactly... how anyone can say that "beyond reasonable doubt" they KNOW that she DEFINITELY didn't say yes is a joke.
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comment by Weare the famous THFC (U19211)
posted 2 minutes ago
Tamwolf
I can assure you that anyone convicted of rape would lose their job wherever they did it and wherever they worked
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Of course they would. They go to prison. However, there is a difference between committing a crime inside the workplace and outside the workplace. Someone who committed a crime in the workplace would find it harder to get a job than someone who committed in outside the workplace.
Therefore, the example of someone stealing from a workplace isn't a good one.
Stealing from your workplace shows that you shít on your own doorstep basically, stealing from elsewhere at least shows that you have loyalties to your employer
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And with 12 random people, you can very easily have 10 people that don't give a toss and 2 very strong people with the same opinion.
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posted on 8/1/15
It's not absurd at all, the judge instructed the jury to rule on each of them separately. We don't know what grounds the jury convicted him on.
xiuxiuejar, blanchflower
posted on 8/1/15
Why do I keep reading that he should be ALLOWED to continue playing football?
No law or legal ruling is stopping him so he is allowed.
The fact that a lot of people are not willing to have him at their club have spoken and proved that fans opinions carry some weight is fair testament to the moral decency of a lot of people.
His conviction may be overturned but even if it is I would not want him at WHL (if he were good enough)
The same as I would never want Joey Barton, Craig Bellamy or any other totally obnoxious little oik at THFC and they are far less objectionable than this CONVICTED morally disgraceful human being..
The fact that he even went to that hotel room is enough to give me a clear indication of the type of guy he is and I cant believe that anybody believes he deserves a 2nd chance.
Try stealing from work and going back to your company after your prison sentence to get your job back like he did to sheffield, do you think you would get your job back?
Do you think anybody else will give you a job knowing you are a thief? No of course they wont and thats a far lesser offence.
Yes there are wrong convictions but they are hardly 50/50 are they? The vast majority of people found guilty are guilty so I will accept the decision of our judicial system rather than a website any day of any week.
He was convicted, by a unanimous decision apparently but thats still not good enough for some.
In thsi country you are innocent until proven guilty and he was proven guilty.
You are then guilty until such time as an appeal or review finds you innocent so at this point in time he is GUILTY and as such should be treated accordingly just as he was treated innocently BEFORE the conviction.
As for the "people are jealous of what he earns brigade" I personally dont give a crap if he is a footballer ot a politician I am just saying that his wages would be paid by punters thru the turnstiles and if they dont want a person like that then fair play I agree 100%
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I had to sack a young lad at work yrs ago for stealing and he had a young baby and new home and he would of
found it very hard to get re- employed anywhere that wanted references. He was full of remorse and crying but I had no choice
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What a heartless man you are.
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I can't understand the reticence to consider that he may be innocent. Basically, he's been found guilty because she "can't remember" what happened.
This hardly seems a firm basis to convict a fella of rape especially when the only other witness that can remember what happened corroborates his version of events.
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posted on 8/1/15
Try stealing from work and going back to your company after your prison sentence to get your job back like he did to sheffield, do you think you would get your job back?
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He didn't try to rape his work though. The crime happened outside the work place which is different than being sacked for stealing from your workplace.
If you assault some one in the street and go to prison, you are more likely to be able to find work than someone who was sacked for assaulting someone in the workplace.
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comment by Harrys accountant (U1141)
posted 1 minute ago
I can't understand the reticence to consider that he may be innocent. Basically, he's been found guilty because she "can't remember" what happened.
This hardly seems a firm basis to convict a fella of rape especially when the only other witness that can remember what happened corroborates his version of events.
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"I can't remember" is mental really... imagine trying to get away with that with your missus - "did you cheat on me?" "I can't remember." "OK then, I'll let you off"
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comment by Harrys accountant (U1141)
posted 1 minute ago
I can't understand the reticence to consider that he may be innocent. Basically, he's been found guilty because she "can't remember" what happened.
This hardly seems a firm basis to convict a fella of rape especially when the only other witness that can remember what happened corroborates his version of events.
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"I can't remember" is mental really... imagine trying to get away with that with your missus - "did you cheat on me?" "I can't remember." "OK then, I'll let you off"
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It certainly makes a mockery of "beyond reasonable doubt."
posted on 8/1/15
Exactly... how anyone can say that "beyond reasonable doubt" they KNOW that she DEFINITELY didn't say yes is a joke.
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Tamwolf
I can assure you that anyone convicted of rape would lose their job wherever they did it and wherever they worked
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Of course they would. They go to prison. However, there is a difference between committing a crime inside the workplace and outside the workplace. Someone who committed a crime in the workplace would find it harder to get a job than someone who committed in outside the workplace.
Therefore, the example of someone stealing from a workplace isn't a good one.
posted on 8/1/15
Stealing from your workplace shows that you shít on your own doorstep basically, stealing from elsewhere at least shows that you have loyalties to your employer
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And with 12 random people, you can very easily have 10 people that don't give a toss and 2 very strong people with the same opinion.
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