£20 billion to the exchequer?Didn"t you read the small print? That 20 billion was over a ten year period which works out at 2 billion a year which in gdp terms is pittance,overall it works out at £2 a week

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So you're in favour of ethnic segregation or something?
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That is already happening because of a lack of controls and erosion of a common culture.

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And I am sure the right-wing little Englanders would be outraged if the statistics pointed to immigrants receiving £20billion from the treasury.

Face it. UKIP's arguments are economically illiterate and borderline racist- well stage-managed by its leader- but the views of many of its members and supporters continue to show its mask slipping.

Without Europe, Britain is an irrelevance in World affairs- and everyone knows it.

Why is someone moving from Stockholm to London any different than someone moving from Cardiff to Newcastle? Presuming they speak the language, which in the case of Sweden in this example is bound to be the case, then what's the difference?

If someone offered you more money to work somewhere else then you'd do it. It's a European jobs market; some people seem threatened by competition and integration.

Never thought I'd say this... but I am 100% in agreement with what both ACE & Sandy have written on this one.

Politicians like to promote fear and the illusion that certain situations and conditions in any given country are some how the fault of "outsiders" it absolves them of the blame.

comment by Marcelino- Voy a reír, voy a bailar vivir mi vidalalala (U6171)
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Why is someone moving from Stockholm to London any different than someone moving from Cardiff to Newcastle? Presuming they speak the language, which in the case of Sweden in this example is bound to be the case, then what's the difference?

If someone offered you more money to work somewhere else then you'd do it. It's a European jobs market; some people seem threatened by competition and integration.
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I don't think the issue is about freedom of employment, it's more to do with freedom of entitlement and a lack of respect. We have many such cases born an bred here that are bad enough to deal with without others of the same lazy culture else where in the world not just Europe deciding to want in.

The problem you have with your liberal logic Marcelino is that the "free movement" of people is moving in one direction.All the traffic is coming to Britain,Germany,France,Sweden and Denmark,not just from the poor countries of the eu,but from Africa and Asia as well.

So whats happening in those countries? Sadly far right groups are on the rise and will continue to rise if immigration into the richer western nations continues to rise at the high numbers they are.

The freedom of entitlement nonsense is drummed up by fear. The overwhelming majority of immigrants work, pay tax and contribute heavily to the economies of their new countries. The amount of the welfare budget actually spent on benefits is minimal in comparison to other elements: things such as tax-credits and housing benefit are the fault of government topping up the low-pay of big business and a lack of social housing pushing people into the hands of exorbitant rates of private landlords.

If the government scrapped tax-credits and made businesses pay their employees more then the welfare bill could be greatly reduced. Furthermore, if housing was made available to the people rather than sold to investors in the Middle East before it is even built then the government wouldn't have to pay-out housing benefit.

Britain's problem is that it is wildly inefficient and the reasons for that was not excessive public spending, it was excessive State largesse due to politicians helping friends in the private sector.

Immigration is ultimately a distraction. Thousands of businesses would fold if Britain left the European Union.

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Britain should be deserving of the best of the best not the worst of the rest. What's wrong with having a system in place to achieve that.

Hod

"else where in the world not just Europe deciding to want in"

So how small should we get?

Let people move to the U.K from the rest of the world for economic reasons?

Let people move to the UK from Europe for economic reasons?

Let people move to England from Wales or Scotland for economic reasons?

Lets keep going, if you are born in Yorkshire no moving to London for a job? No moving from north or east London to central London or the west end?

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comment by Sane (U19841)
posted 1 minute ago
Hod

"else where in the world not just Europe deciding to want in"

So how small should we get?

Let people move to the U.K from the rest of the world for economic reasons?

Let people move to the UK from Europe for economic reasons?

Let people move to England from Wales or Scotland for economic reasons?

Lets keep going, if you are born in Yorkshire no moving to London for a job? No moving from north or east London to central London or the west end?


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I do not have an issue with freedom of employment.

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comment by Hod idol the x factor - Mo's posh tin set! (U5117)
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Britain should be deserving of the best of the best not the worst of the rest. What's wrong with having a system in place to achieve that.
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Out of interest why d'you say Britain deserves the best ie better standards of immigrant than other countries?
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I did not say that. What is wrong with wanting the best and achieving this regardless of the country.

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Tony Benn on the EU

"Britain's continuing membership of the [European] Community would mean the end of Britain as a completely self-governing nation." On joining the European Community

"My view of the EU has always been not that I am hostile to foreigners but I am in favour of democracy. I think they are building an empire and want us to be part of that empire, and I don't want that." On leaving the European Community

"When I saw how the European Union was developing, it was very obvious what they had in mind was not democratic. In Britain, you vote for a government so the government has to listen to you, and if you don't like it you can change it." On democracy in Europe

Today Labour supporters would call him a racist.

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comment by Hod idol the x factor - Mo's posh tin set! (U5117)
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Britain should be deserving of the best of the best not the worst of the rest. What's wrong with having a system in place to achieve that.
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Out of interest why d'you say Britain deserves the best ie better standards of immigrant than other countries?
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I did not say that. What is wrong with wanting the best and achieving this regardless of the country.
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You said "Britain should be deserving of the best"?
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and we should be. If we do not have a government with this objective then we are doomed. I did not say other countries should be worse its up to them to achieve better.

People apply for jobs- more than ever now as it is a competitive European jobs market. Businesses will hire the best person for that job among the numerous applicants: therefore Britain is getting the best it possibly can.

I appreciate that it restricts immigration from other countries to an extent, but the European Union is working on trade deals with countries from other continents- Britain can either choose to be a part of those negotiations on a bigger European standing or try them standing alone? I think we know which has a better chance of success.

Europe's biggest problem has been weak leadership, but fundamentally it is a good thing.

One problem I have with Nigel Farage is his "man of the people" guff. He comes from just a privileged background as any other politician.

He was educated at Dulwich College, a public school. He then went to work in the City, trading commodities at the London Metal Exchange. He is a posh city boy.

Also one of his great grandfathers was a German migrant who came to this country searching for work and a better life for his family.

He presents himself as some thing he is not.

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I'm at work going to watch it in the morning.

comment by THE ACE FACE (U18814)
posted 4 minutes ago
Nick Clegg making a complete tít of himself on The Last Leg at the moment.
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Thought he was OK for an invertebrate

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