Common decency involves treating people as if they are equals.
Western countries may make some visitors uncomfortable, but there is a choice provided in the west. There is no choice in Qatar.
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comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 12 seconds ago
This is your typical British scaremongering:
In SA men were likely to get mugged and women were going to get gang raped. Never occurred.
In Ukraine/Poland if you was black you were to come back in a body bag because they are supposedly very racist there.
In Brazil the stadiums will collapse and civil war will start.
Now we have Qatar and the book is wide open. It's open season when it comes to scaremongering.
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Scaremongering?
It's ironic how you have 'justice4Gaza' in your username but refuse to acknowledge that other people (namely Nepalese and Indian migrant workers) need justice too.
Your blind and damning refusal to accept there are people literally dying for this world cup makes you out to be a but of a hypocrite and someone who picks and chooses the ones you want 'justice' for.
Typical british scaremongering never mind the bid is corrupted the stadia cost lives the project costs over thirty times what south africa paid the local culture and traditions are not super tolerant the climate causes disruption of the most watched leagues and so forth. Yeah it's all irrelevant when considering a world cup bid.
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 2 minutes ago
This is your typical British scaremongering:
In SA men were likely to get mugged and women were going to get gang raped. Never occurred.
In Ukraine/Poland if you was black you were to come back in a body bag because they are supposedly very racist there.
In Brazil the stadiums will collapse and civil war will start.
Now we have Qatar and the book is wide open. It's open season when it comes to scaremongering.
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Would this attitude apply to the British muslims or are they exempt
comment by #4zA (U19575)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by TCW (U6489)
posted 11 seconds ago
Thing is Forza is you've gone with 'culture' and 'tradition' as the defence for attitudes, and in my mind common decency should really transcend these. The live and let live ideology.
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common decency is to be aware of and respectful of your hosts.
if you visit a persons house and they ask you to remove your shoes, you do it out of respect for how they do things, even if you dont do it at your own house.
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Just joined this thread so apologies if this has been mentioned but an individual cannot impose laws in their home (punishable by the judiciary system) that discriminate against guest’s sexuality.
There is no legal recognition in Qatar for homosexuality.
In reference to the "Scaremongering" tag the Qatar bid failed FIFA's own stress tests, yet FIFA chose to ignore their own trepidations and awarded Qatar the WC.
comment by Robb_Better (U20351)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 12 seconds ago
This is your typical British scaremongering:
In SA men were likely to get mugged and women were going to get gang raped. Never occurred.
In Ukraine/Poland if you was black you were to come back in a body bag because they are supposedly very racist there.
In Brazil the stadiums will collapse and civil war will start.
Now we have Qatar and the book is wide open. It's open season when it comes to scaremongering.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Scaremongering?
It's ironic how you have 'justice4Gaza' in your username but refuse to acknowledge that other people (namely Nepalese and Indian migrant workers) need justice too.
Your blind and damning refusal to accept there are people literally dying for this world cup makes you out to be a but of a hypocrite and someone who picks and chooses the ones you want 'justice' for.
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My first comment on this thread was that even one death is too much and that people have died in construction in Qatar. Feel free to read it.
Not sure what Justice for Gaza has to do with that?
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robb_Better (U20351)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 12 seconds ago
This is your typical British scaremongering:
In SA men were likely to get mugged and women were going to get gang raped. Never occurred.
In Ukraine/Poland if you was black you were to come back in a body bag because they are supposedly very racist there.
In Brazil the stadiums will collapse and civil war will start.
Now we have Qatar and the book is wide open. It's open season when it comes to scaremongering.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Scaremongering?
It's ironic how you have 'justice4Gaza' in your username but refuse to acknowledge that other people (namely Nepalese and Indian migrant workers) need justice too.
Your blind and damning refusal to accept there are people literally dying for this world cup makes you out to be a but of a hypocrite and someone who picks and chooses the ones you want 'justice' for.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My first comment on this thread was that even one death is too much and that people have died in construction in Qatar. Feel free to read it.
Not sure what Justice for Gaza has to do with that?
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Okay, so you agree it's not British scaremongering and there are people dying?
Cool.
comment by Robb_Better (U20351)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robb_Better (U20351)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 12 seconds ago
This is your typical British scaremongering:
In SA men were likely to get mugged and women were going to get gang raped. Never occurred.
In Ukraine/Poland if you was black you were to come back in a body bag because they are supposedly very racist there.
In Brazil the stadiums will collapse and civil war will start.
Now we have Qatar and the book is wide open. It's open season when it comes to scaremongering.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Scaremongering?
It's ironic how you have 'justice4Gaza' in your username but refuse to acknowledge that other people (namely Nepalese and Indian migrant workers) need justice too.
Your blind and damning refusal to accept there are people literally dying for this world cup makes you out to be a but of a hypocrite and someone who picks and chooses the ones you want 'justice' for.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My first comment on this thread was that even one death is too much and that people have died in construction in Qatar. Feel free to read it.
Not sure what Justice for Gaza has to do with that?
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Okay, so you agree it's not British scaremongering and there are people dying?
Cool.
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I did argue that the figures may have been exaggerated but as you have seen from the thread it moved on to other theories not Migrant deaths related.
I did argue that the figures may have been exaggerated but as you have seen from the thread it moved on to other theories not Migrant deaths related.
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I take if the figures were given by a non western news outlet or non western humans rights organization then you'd still be as sceptical
I did argue that the figures may have been exaggerated but as you have seen from the thread it moved on to other theories not Migrant deaths related.
Just for the record, what evidence do you have that the figures may have been exaggerated?
I get the World Cup is in Russia, they are the joint most powerful country in the world, but Qatar is an absolute joke, and having a World Cup in November, ending in December will absolutely feck up every League in the World. If ever you saw that money has taken over the game then look no more than Qatar getting the WC. No wonder I am getting totally pissssed of with football.
Sandy
No thats because you support Spurs
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Sandy
No thats because you support Spurs
Hardly, I have been there, seen it, done it.
Modern football is pretty shiiite in my book. Just my opinion.
Don't underestimate the determination and resolve of the Qataris.
Earlier this year, Qatar hosted the Handball World Championship.
Only 2 players in their 17-man squad were actually Qatari-born, the remaining 15 hailing from countries such as Egypt, Syria, Tunisia, Iran, several former-Yugoslav republics, Spain or France.
Prior to this year's edition they had never placed higher than 16th. They finished as runners-up to France after beating Austria, Germany and Poland in an extraordinary run through the knockout rounds that was littered with refereeing controversies.
Ah, and concerned about the lack of a vocal enough domestic fanbase, they flew in 60 paid fans from Spain to turn up the volume.
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#4zA
comment by sandy brown (U20258)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
and having a World Cup in November, ending in December will absolutely feck up every League in the World.
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apart from the leagues that it won't, that in normal northern hemisphere summer world cups are disrupted
There are absolutely no leagues worth disrupting that play in the summer anywhere in the world. All the important leagues worldwide are played between August and May. So it will cause massive disruption. England and all the top Nationals should just pull out if they had any bolllllllox about them.
OP it's good you made this article. This issue does not get enough attention IMO and people don't take it seriously enough. The world cup has highlighted it but workers in Qatar have always died at an alarming rate even before this world cup spotlight. And these are actual death figures leave alone the human suffering people are going through. I work with the UN and some of the horror stories African workers tell upon returning home are stomach churning. Far far too many are going back home in coffins. It's not normal, far from it.
Isn't it the same on building projects all over the Emirates, like the Burj Khalifa etc? They pay them about £3 a day, deport them if they step out of line and good luck with the health and safety lads.
They don't put that bit on the tour.
What is more important? The WC or the lives of people who are trying to earn a living and through no fault of their own are treated like vermin.
The power the Qatari's have is money & unfortunately that dictates how other Governments etc treat them!
So we all agree we're against the Emirates' record on worker safety conditions, basic standards of pay and finding insignificant pissholes of football teams and pumping billions into them as vanity projects?
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posted on 9/4/15
Common decency involves treating people as if they are equals.
Western countries may make some visitors uncomfortable, but there is a choice provided in the west. There is no choice in Qatar.
posted on 9/4/15
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posted on 9/4/15
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 12 seconds ago
This is your typical British scaremongering:
In SA men were likely to get mugged and women were going to get gang raped. Never occurred.
In Ukraine/Poland if you was black you were to come back in a body bag because they are supposedly very racist there.
In Brazil the stadiums will collapse and civil war will start.
Now we have Qatar and the book is wide open. It's open season when it comes to scaremongering.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Scaremongering?
It's ironic how you have 'justice4Gaza' in your username but refuse to acknowledge that other people (namely Nepalese and Indian migrant workers) need justice too.
Your blind and damning refusal to accept there are people literally dying for this world cup makes you out to be a but of a hypocrite and someone who picks and chooses the ones you want 'justice' for.
posted on 9/4/15
Typical british scaremongering never mind the bid is corrupted the stadia cost lives the project costs over thirty times what south africa paid the local culture and traditions are not super tolerant the climate causes disruption of the most watched leagues and so forth. Yeah it's all irrelevant when considering a world cup bid.
posted on 9/4/15
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 2 minutes ago
This is your typical British scaremongering:
In SA men were likely to get mugged and women were going to get gang raped. Never occurred.
In Ukraine/Poland if you was black you were to come back in a body bag because they are supposedly very racist there.
In Brazil the stadiums will collapse and civil war will start.
Now we have Qatar and the book is wide open. It's open season when it comes to scaremongering.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would this attitude apply to the British muslims or are they exempt
posted on 9/4/15
comment by #4zA (U19575)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by TCW (U6489)
posted 11 seconds ago
Thing is Forza is you've gone with 'culture' and 'tradition' as the defence for attitudes, and in my mind common decency should really transcend these. The live and let live ideology.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
common decency is to be aware of and respectful of your hosts.
if you visit a persons house and they ask you to remove your shoes, you do it out of respect for how they do things, even if you dont do it at your own house.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just joined this thread so apologies if this has been mentioned but an individual cannot impose laws in their home (punishable by the judiciary system) that discriminate against guest’s sexuality.
There is no legal recognition in Qatar for homosexuality.
In reference to the "Scaremongering" tag the Qatar bid failed FIFA's own stress tests, yet FIFA chose to ignore their own trepidations and awarded Qatar the WC.
posted on 9/4/15
comment by Robb_Better (U20351)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 12 seconds ago
This is your typical British scaremongering:
In SA men were likely to get mugged and women were going to get gang raped. Never occurred.
In Ukraine/Poland if you was black you were to come back in a body bag because they are supposedly very racist there.
In Brazil the stadiums will collapse and civil war will start.
Now we have Qatar and the book is wide open. It's open season when it comes to scaremongering.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Scaremongering?
It's ironic how you have 'justice4Gaza' in your username but refuse to acknowledge that other people (namely Nepalese and Indian migrant workers) need justice too.
Your blind and damning refusal to accept there are people literally dying for this world cup makes you out to be a but of a hypocrite and someone who picks and chooses the ones you want 'justice' for.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My first comment on this thread was that even one death is too much and that people have died in construction in Qatar. Feel free to read it.
Not sure what Justice for Gaza has to do with that?
posted on 9/4/15
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robb_Better (U20351)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 12 seconds ago
This is your typical British scaremongering:
In SA men were likely to get mugged and women were going to get gang raped. Never occurred.
In Ukraine/Poland if you was black you were to come back in a body bag because they are supposedly very racist there.
In Brazil the stadiums will collapse and civil war will start.
Now we have Qatar and the book is wide open. It's open season when it comes to scaremongering.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Scaremongering?
It's ironic how you have 'justice4Gaza' in your username but refuse to acknowledge that other people (namely Nepalese and Indian migrant workers) need justice too.
Your blind and damning refusal to accept there are people literally dying for this world cup makes you out to be a but of a hypocrite and someone who picks and chooses the ones you want 'justice' for.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My first comment on this thread was that even one death is too much and that people have died in construction in Qatar. Feel free to read it.
Not sure what Justice for Gaza has to do with that?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Okay, so you agree it's not British scaremongering and there are people dying?
Cool.
posted on 9/4/15
comment by Robb_Better (U20351)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robb_Better (U20351)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 12 seconds ago
This is your typical British scaremongering:
In SA men were likely to get mugged and women were going to get gang raped. Never occurred.
In Ukraine/Poland if you was black you were to come back in a body bag because they are supposedly very racist there.
In Brazil the stadiums will collapse and civil war will start.
Now we have Qatar and the book is wide open. It's open season when it comes to scaremongering.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Scaremongering?
It's ironic how you have 'justice4Gaza' in your username but refuse to acknowledge that other people (namely Nepalese and Indian migrant workers) need justice too.
Your blind and damning refusal to accept there are people literally dying for this world cup makes you out to be a but of a hypocrite and someone who picks and chooses the ones you want 'justice' for.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My first comment on this thread was that even one death is too much and that people have died in construction in Qatar. Feel free to read it.
Not sure what Justice for Gaza has to do with that?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Okay, so you agree it's not British scaremongering and there are people dying?
Cool.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I did argue that the figures may have been exaggerated but as you have seen from the thread it moved on to other theories not Migrant deaths related.
posted on 9/4/15
I did argue that the figures may have been exaggerated but as you have seen from the thread it moved on to other theories not Migrant deaths related.
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I take if the figures were given by a non western news outlet or non western humans rights organization then you'd still be as sceptical
posted on 9/4/15
I did argue that the figures may have been exaggerated but as you have seen from the thread it moved on to other theories not Migrant deaths related.
Just for the record, what evidence do you have that the figures may have been exaggerated?
posted on 9/4/15
I get the World Cup is in Russia, they are the joint most powerful country in the world, but Qatar is an absolute joke, and having a World Cup in November, ending in December will absolutely feck up every League in the World. If ever you saw that money has taken over the game then look no more than Qatar getting the WC. No wonder I am getting totally pissssed of with football.
posted on 9/4/15
Sandy
No thats because you support Spurs
posted on 9/4/15
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posted on 9/4/15
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posted on 9/4/15
RtM @(・●・)@
Sandy
No thats because you support Spurs
Hardly, I have been there, seen it, done it.
Modern football is pretty shiiite in my book. Just my opinion.
posted on 9/4/15
Don't underestimate the determination and resolve of the Qataris.
Earlier this year, Qatar hosted the Handball World Championship.
Only 2 players in their 17-man squad were actually Qatari-born, the remaining 15 hailing from countries such as Egypt, Syria, Tunisia, Iran, several former-Yugoslav republics, Spain or France.
Prior to this year's edition they had never placed higher than 16th. They finished as runners-up to France after beating Austria, Germany and Poland in an extraordinary run through the knockout rounds that was littered with refereeing controversies.
Ah, and concerned about the lack of a vocal enough domestic fanbase, they flew in 60 paid fans from Spain to turn up the volume.
posted on 9/4/15
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posted on 9/4/15
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posted on 9/4/15
#4zA
comment by sandy brown (U20258)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
and having a World Cup in November, ending in December will absolutely feck up every League in the World.
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apart from the leagues that it won't, that in normal northern hemisphere summer world cups are disrupted
There are absolutely no leagues worth disrupting that play in the summer anywhere in the world. All the important leagues worldwide are played between August and May. So it will cause massive disruption. England and all the top Nationals should just pull out if they had any bolllllllox about them.
posted on 9/4/15
OP it's good you made this article. This issue does not get enough attention IMO and people don't take it seriously enough. The world cup has highlighted it but workers in Qatar have always died at an alarming rate even before this world cup spotlight. And these are actual death figures leave alone the human suffering people are going through. I work with the UN and some of the horror stories African workers tell upon returning home are stomach churning. Far far too many are going back home in coffins. It's not normal, far from it.
posted on 9/4/15
Isn't it the same on building projects all over the Emirates, like the Burj Khalifa etc? They pay them about £3 a day, deport them if they step out of line and good luck with the health and safety lads.
They don't put that bit on the tour.
posted on 9/4/15
What is more important? The WC or the lives of people who are trying to earn a living and through no fault of their own are treated like vermin.
The power the Qatari's have is money & unfortunately that dictates how other Governments etc treat them!
posted on 9/4/15
So we all agree we're against the Emirates' record on worker safety conditions, basic standards of pay and finding insignificant pissholes of football teams and pumping billions into them as vanity projects?
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