By the way. First time we have lost twice to Stoke in 156 years.
Second time this season Stoke have sold 3 goals.
You're a little late, I already stated this in an earlier thread. Losing to Stoke 3-0 is terrible. Also I've noticed in the past that a bad end to a season means a bad start to the next.
I have never defended this coach.
Posted this on another thread but more apt on here......
We haven't got the greatest squad but even so I can't help feeling that a manager with good coaching skills, tactically aware and innovative, and astute man management would get so much more return from these players.
The fact that Poch fails to do so worries me and listening to his interviews is about as exciting as watching paint dry. He may be good behind the scenes during the week for all I know but I cannot see how he would inspire the players to perform out of their skins week in week out.
Exactly Park Lane, exactly.
Chicken, apologies as I didn't it
1. If Sherwood, or even Redknapp, had overseen results and performances like this, you would be calling for him to be sacked, yes?
We had terrible performances and results under them on occasion. My answer would be no if we were putting them in Poch's shoes, as a manager in his first season, without the funds, and these players to work with. They'd deserve more time just as Poch does.
The thing with Sherwood though is that he wasn't someone that was picked out to manage Spurs. He was merely a caretaker with little experience who was given reins over the team mid-season, with the suspected knowledge he'd not be there next season. I think that's why more people, including me, felt we'd have been better off getting rid when it wasn't going so well.
2. Why are you not blaming Poch for the players disinterest? Yes - the players are individually responsible if some of them are not giving 100%, but the buck stops with the manager, no? He is clearly incapable of motivating them. This means they do not respect him, no? How can anyone argue with this. The players clearly do not respect him.
We should know by now Poch hasn't inherited the best squad. But he also isn't blameless. You can't not palm some of the blame on him for our defensive situation.
3. If Poch was called Bill Stubbs. And we was from Stoke Newington and not Argentina - you would be wanting him gone, no?
Wouldn't change the fact he'd deserve more time.
4. Still talk about Poch being a great strategist. Can someone tell me where this comes from?
Haven't really heard this about him? I've heard he likes to play nice football. Never had him down for his strategy.
arsey.. stop it. we had joke results and performances under every spurs manager since i have been watching spurs.
if this time next year there is no improvement then its time to ask questions.
lets see how he gets on next year when he surely has some of his own players.
I'm just sick of changing managers, he's had 1 year (nearly) in the job ffs. Who are we gonna attract that can guarantee better? We've done the blame the managers thing. Let's try letting this guy grow with spurs, build a team and see what we can do.
No matter who we appoint, I just don't see us becoming CL regulars. Its too easy to keep blaming managers. We need some consistency at this club.
If we finish 7th then we know he will be gone next year sometime so the pattern can continue:
Redknapp got 4th, AVB got 5th, Sherwood got 6th, Poch gets 7th, new manager gets 8th
Fack me chronic you must've really wound this guy up in the past
yeah man.. hes so easy he mentioned me in every facking post
No problem RC. I still say if a top coach becomes available we should go for him.
Arsey.. stop it. we had joke results and performances under every spurs manager since i have been watching spurs.
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No. We really didn't. Not in the prolonged sense it is happening under Poch (basically since the league cup final). We had difficult periods under Redknapp for sure, but never this bad.
You have basically resorted to lying.
Spurtle, some of what you say I agree with but -
"We had terrible performances and results under them on occasion. My answer would be no if we were putting them in Poch's shoes, as a manager in his first season, without the funds, and these players to work with. They'd deserve more time just as Poch does. "
This is just making excuses for someone who doesn't deserve them.
Let us be honest, former mangers, including AVB, were sacked for far less.
I see your point about not being too hasty though,
For me it's about the style and attitude of the team produced by the manager. If we finish 5th or 6th with a team playing exciting football and all the players are playing their hearts out we would all accept that. It used to be what this club was renowned for.
Two things of interest here.
1. Poch's big supporters do not seem to doubt that some of the players no long remotely care.
2. If that is so, and I think it is, Poch should go immediately, no? The least we can expect is effort is feel.
There is only so much you can blame on the manager before you have to look at the players themselves.
The manager can set up the team and style of play but in the same way that Luis Enrique can't account for a sublime Messi performance, Poch at Tottenham can't account for Chiriches awful defending. Some things are beyond a managers control and a set of players like at Barca will do well regardless the manager in the same way our set of players will do terribly regardless the manager.
It's our players who are pathetic. We have bought oddly and randomly of recent years with no thought to chemistry and requirements. And many Spurs fans think too highly of our club - disregarding Europa League amongst many other nonsense beliefs.
Keep Poch and let him build a team. I would give him the whole of next season and even the next to see if it works out (unless we are lingering mid table with the likes of Stoke).
comment by theRC (U20472)
posted 50 minutes ago
Arsey.. stop it. we had joke results and performances under every spurs manager since i have been watching spurs.
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No. We really didn't. Not in the prolonged sense it is happening under Poch (basically since the league cup final). We had difficult periods under Redknapp for sure, but never this bad.
You have basically resorted to lying.
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how about the relegation form under redknapp for the final third of season two years running you plank?
Regardless of whether Poch has been in the job 20 days or 20 years if he isn't up to it (which he clearly isn't) then bye bye. Because of Ferguson and Wengers years in charge we get hung up on stability in this country. I'm just in from a night on the beer with my Villa mates who have been taking great pleasure in reminding me that we off loaded Sherwood without giving him a much deserved 2nd season and now they are reaping the benefits.
he has made some big mistakes… but he is working with a dross squad.
lets see how next seson goes.
as for sherwood…. FACK THAT. you wanted that clown to have a full season what a scary prospect.
IPWT
Give him a big wedge to spend please. Cheers.
#chelseafans4poch
The laws of average say that you can't keep getting bad managers, maybe the fault lies somewhere else, Levy perhaps ?
comment by Chronic - 100% behind Poch (U3423)
posted 6 minutes ago
he has made some big mistakes… but he is working with a dross squad.
lets see how next seson goes.
as for sherwood…. FACK THAT. you wanted that clown to have a full seasonwhat a scary prospect.
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Agreed . Give the guy a chance. Every supporter up and down the country will have criticised their managers team selection at some point this season and Poch's team selection sometimes have been baffling. Personally I wouldn't have chlriches anywhere near the reserves let alone the 1st team . , and sometimes you wonder if he has a plan B when things are not working .
But to start claiming an inexperienced sherwood is some great messiah is clearly displaying some kind of short term euphoria. Given time he might have been a good choice, no one can tell however I must say some of his team selection left a lot to be desired and we had some hammerings in his tenure. And let's not forget he knew every single players capabilities and wasn't going in blind when he took over.
We need stability and we can't keep sacking managers at will . It's not Poch's fault he has been dealt a poor hand . Let's give him 2 seasons and let him bring players that suit his style. The team lacks energy , Pace , guile and finesse and dare I say overloaded with Youngsters.
I wrote this season off in August as I know thee players and capabilities and nothing I have seen so far as changed that .
Good luck to sherwood and many a new manager has waltzed into a club and galvanised them but then once the dust has settled fail to make much progress . Wouldn't surprise me if Villa fall into that category . They are welcome to the motormouth !
Cheers for Sherwood 😉, I know who I would rather have.
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posted on 10/5/15
By the way. First time we have lost twice to Stoke in 156 years.
Second time this season Stoke have sold 3 goals.
posted on 10/5/15
You're a little late, I already stated this in an earlier thread. Losing to Stoke 3-0 is terrible. Also I've noticed in the past that a bad end to a season means a bad start to the next.
I have never defended this coach.
posted on 10/5/15
Posted this on another thread but more apt on here......
We haven't got the greatest squad but even so I can't help feeling that a manager with good coaching skills, tactically aware and innovative, and astute man management would get so much more return from these players.
The fact that Poch fails to do so worries me and listening to his interviews is about as exciting as watching paint dry. He may be good behind the scenes during the week for all I know but I cannot see how he would inspire the players to perform out of their skins week in week out.
posted on 10/5/15
Exactly Park Lane, exactly.
posted on 10/5/15
Chicken, apologies as I didn't it
posted on 10/5/15
1. If Sherwood, or even Redknapp, had overseen results and performances like this, you would be calling for him to be sacked, yes?
We had terrible performances and results under them on occasion. My answer would be no if we were putting them in Poch's shoes, as a manager in his first season, without the funds, and these players to work with. They'd deserve more time just as Poch does.
The thing with Sherwood though is that he wasn't someone that was picked out to manage Spurs. He was merely a caretaker with little experience who was given reins over the team mid-season, with the suspected knowledge he'd not be there next season. I think that's why more people, including me, felt we'd have been better off getting rid when it wasn't going so well.
2. Why are you not blaming Poch for the players disinterest? Yes - the players are individually responsible if some of them are not giving 100%, but the buck stops with the manager, no? He is clearly incapable of motivating them. This means they do not respect him, no? How can anyone argue with this. The players clearly do not respect him.
We should know by now Poch hasn't inherited the best squad. But he also isn't blameless. You can't not palm some of the blame on him for our defensive situation.
3. If Poch was called Bill Stubbs. And we was from Stoke Newington and not Argentina - you would be wanting him gone, no?
Wouldn't change the fact he'd deserve more time.
4. Still talk about Poch being a great strategist. Can someone tell me where this comes from?
Haven't really heard this about him? I've heard he likes to play nice football. Never had him down for his strategy.
posted on 10/5/15
arsey.. stop it. we had joke results and performances under every spurs manager since i have been watching spurs.
if this time next year there is no improvement then its time to ask questions.
lets see how he gets on next year when he surely has some of his own players.
posted on 10/5/15
I'm just sick of changing managers, he's had 1 year (nearly) in the job ffs. Who are we gonna attract that can guarantee better? We've done the blame the managers thing. Let's try letting this guy grow with spurs, build a team and see what we can do.
No matter who we appoint, I just don't see us becoming CL regulars. Its too easy to keep blaming managers. We need some consistency at this club.
posted on 10/5/15
If we finish 7th then we know he will be gone next year sometime so the pattern can continue:
Redknapp got 4th, AVB got 5th, Sherwood got 6th, Poch gets 7th, new manager gets 8th
posted on 10/5/15
Fack me chronic you must've really wound this guy up in the past
posted on 10/5/15
yeah man.. hes so easy he mentioned me in every facking post
posted on 10/5/15
No problem RC. I still say if a top coach becomes available we should go for him.
posted on 10/5/15
Arsey.. stop it. we had joke results and performances under every spurs manager since i have been watching spurs.
____
No. We really didn't. Not in the prolonged sense it is happening under Poch (basically since the league cup final). We had difficult periods under Redknapp for sure, but never this bad.
You have basically resorted to lying.
posted on 10/5/15
Spurtle, some of what you say I agree with but -
"We had terrible performances and results under them on occasion. My answer would be no if we were putting them in Poch's shoes, as a manager in his first season, without the funds, and these players to work with. They'd deserve more time just as Poch does. "
This is just making excuses for someone who doesn't deserve them.
Let us be honest, former mangers, including AVB, were sacked for far less.
I see your point about not being too hasty though,
posted on 10/5/15
For me it's about the style and attitude of the team produced by the manager. If we finish 5th or 6th with a team playing exciting football and all the players are playing their hearts out we would all accept that. It used to be what this club was renowned for.
posted on 10/5/15
Two things of interest here.
1. Poch's big supporters do not seem to doubt that some of the players no long remotely care.
2. If that is so, and I think it is, Poch should go immediately, no? The least we can expect is effort is feel.
posted on 10/5/15
There is only so much you can blame on the manager before you have to look at the players themselves.
The manager can set up the team and style of play but in the same way that Luis Enrique can't account for a sublime Messi performance, Poch at Tottenham can't account for Chiriches awful defending. Some things are beyond a managers control and a set of players like at Barca will do well regardless the manager in the same way our set of players will do terribly regardless the manager.
It's our players who are pathetic. We have bought oddly and randomly of recent years with no thought to chemistry and requirements. And many Spurs fans think too highly of our club - disregarding Europa League amongst many other nonsense beliefs.
Keep Poch and let him build a team. I would give him the whole of next season and even the next to see if it works out (unless we are lingering mid table with the likes of Stoke).
posted on 10/5/15
comment by theRC (U20472)
posted 50 minutes ago
Arsey.. stop it. we had joke results and performances under every spurs manager since i have been watching spurs.
____
No. We really didn't. Not in the prolonged sense it is happening under Poch (basically since the league cup final). We had difficult periods under Redknapp for sure, but never this bad.
You have basically resorted to lying.
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how about the relegation form under redknapp for the final third of season two years running you plank?
posted on 10/5/15
Regardless of whether Poch has been in the job 20 days or 20 years if he isn't up to it (which he clearly isn't) then bye bye. Because of Ferguson and Wengers years in charge we get hung up on stability in this country. I'm just in from a night on the beer with my Villa mates who have been taking great pleasure in reminding me that we off loaded Sherwood without giving him a much deserved 2nd season and now they are reaping the benefits.
posted on 10/5/15
he has made some big mistakes… but he is working with a dross squad.
lets see how next seson goes.
as for sherwood…. FACK THAT. you wanted that clown to have a full season what a scary prospect.
posted on 10/5/15
IPWT
Give him a big wedge to spend please. Cheers.
#chelseafans4poch
posted on 10/5/15
The laws of average say that you can't keep getting bad managers, maybe the fault lies somewhere else, Levy perhaps ?
posted on 10/5/15
comment by Chronic - 100% behind Poch (U3423)
posted 6 minutes ago
he has made some big mistakes… but he is working with a dross squad.
lets see how next seson goes.
as for sherwood…. FACK THAT. you wanted that clown to have a full seasonwhat a scary prospect.
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Agreed . Give the guy a chance. Every supporter up and down the country will have criticised their managers team selection at some point this season and Poch's team selection sometimes have been baffling. Personally I wouldn't have chlriches anywhere near the reserves let alone the 1st team . , and sometimes you wonder if he has a plan B when things are not working .
But to start claiming an inexperienced sherwood is some great messiah is clearly displaying some kind of short term euphoria. Given time he might have been a good choice, no one can tell however I must say some of his team selection left a lot to be desired and we had some hammerings in his tenure. And let's not forget he knew every single players capabilities and wasn't going in blind when he took over.
We need stability and we can't keep sacking managers at will . It's not Poch's fault he has been dealt a poor hand . Let's give him 2 seasons and let him bring players that suit his style. The team lacks energy , Pace , guile and finesse and dare I say overloaded with Youngsters.
I wrote this season off in August as I know thee players and capabilities and nothing I have seen so far as changed that .
Good luck to sherwood and many a new manager has waltzed into a club and galvanised them but then once the dust has settled fail to make much progress . Wouldn't surprise me if Villa fall into that category . They are welcome to the motormouth !
posted on 10/5/15
Cheers for Sherwood 😉, I know who I would rather have.
posted on 10/5/15
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