It's a fact our good runs with Rodgers have been in times with no European football.

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I'm not calling you stupid, but which cups run alongside European competition?

You understand there is a break in European competition where the FA cup starts?

Dalglish got virtually no credit for cup runs and he won one and reached the final of another.
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He did from me. You wanted him gone didn't you?

Dalglish got virtually no credit for cup runs and he won one and reached the final of another.

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Take issue with that. Who said he got no credit?

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 13 minutes ago
of course a 6th placed finish doesn't look good when compared to last season.

For example where would spurs be if Kane was injured and had to rely on Adebayor and Soldado?
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But a backup player stepped up an performed, so it's a silly question

I credited Dalglish with the cup runs but we were going backwards in the league and we're in 8th place.

Rodgers should be given credit for last season. By the same token he should shoulder the blame for this season. He lost two players and collapsed. Losing players will keep happening for the foreseeable future, and Rodgers cant handle it.

I was 50-50 Robbing.

I felt he would probably go, but had done enough to get another summer of cash.

I could see the benefits either way.

I'm struggling to see the benefits of keeping Rodgers.

With Europa football next season I think there is absolutely no chance of us getting in the top 4, and I don't see him winning a trophy.

If we played a semi-final or final against any of the top 4, or even Everton, could you see us winning?

I couldn't.

comment by 李 贝 If anyone can, Emre Can... And don't call me Schürrle (U3979)
posted 37 seconds ago
I credited Dalglish with the cup runs but we were going backwards in the league and we're in 8th place.
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Maybe but there was a circus going on off the pitch which was incredibly hard to handle. We were in touch with fourth for most of the season.

People wanted him gone. They wanted a young progressive manager. Some now want him gone.

Fact is the emergence of City and Chelsea has pushed us down two places. Tottenham are also a well run outfit. We have not pulled up trees in the league for decades. Lots of money, lots managers.

It's a club problem with buying quality players.

People did want a young progressive manager. The argument is that the young progressive manager we've got in is not working now. To go 2nd to limping in to 6th place suffering some of our worst PL defeats against Arsenal and fecking Stoke; an abysmal suffer of transfers with no striker brought in in January, signing Balotelli and Lambert and barely ever playing them, having no plan B in games and in a lot of games this season no plan A seemingly.

You can see why people want him out. We don't lose 6-1 and we certainly don't lose 6-1 to teams like Stoke.

comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 8 hours, 10 minutes ago
Fair points FJM but I don't think we have had that many problems this season that weren't of Rodgers own making.

He was unlucky on Sturridge and to a lesser extent Flanagan.

Other than that every problem he created himself.

I don't buy excuses about missing out on players. That doesn't explain signing relative duds you know like Borini and Allen for a lot of money.

Dortmund were 9th? when Klopp took over, and won something in his second season. That's context isn't it? Nicely ignored.

The truth is you can compare Rodgers to any number of available managers and his record isn't favourable.

For every positive achievement there are as many if not more negatives.

His failure to deliver when it has come to the crunch in the biggest games suggests a nearly man, not a hardened winner.

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Where did I say anything about missing out on players? I didn't mention it once in my post so not sure why you bring it up.

And I didn't ignore the context regarding Klopp. I said he finished 6th then 5th. They'd finished 13th season before so although there was improvement, a relatively significant improvement, 6th and 5th aren't fruitful; he didn't win anything, didn't get into the Champions League until his third year. My point is that he didn't achieve immediate success. BR got into the CL in his second season and finished 2nd.

You can indeed compare him to a number of managers and they will be favourable. Ancelotti and Klopp are successful managers who have won trophies but that's not what we're discussing. Your argument was that he's had three years and not won anything. I was merely pointing out that neither Klopp nor Ancelotti achieved immediate succes either. At no point have I said they wouldn't be good managers for Liverpool. My stance is that BR should be given more time, but if he is sacked then I think Klopp or Ancelotti are good options.

If you accept 5th/6th is our level, which I can understand, then surely winning trophies (especially the Europa with its CL appeal) becomes even more important.

The only way to stay a big club and stay in people's minds is to win stuff.

I don't see Rodgers as being good enough to win stuff.

I see him being good enough to compete and be a nearly man.

There is no reason with our money we can't be getting to the latter stages of the EL. I can accept we can't compete with City, Chelsea etc. don't tell me we can't compete with Dnipro, Sevilla, Napoli and Benfica etc.

Rodgers has had two cracks at it and fell at the first KO hurdle both times.

I don't see anything to see why that will suddenly change and we will go deep in the competition, nor why we will suddenly win a domestic cup.

The chances have been there already and we haven't taken them.

Personally I think we have every chance of turning three losses and a draw into four wins? Really?

Would he then be a good manager like last season instead of the bad manager he is now?

Got a bit muddled there as was talking. Meant to say I can see that turnaround can't others?

Also BR blatantly has a plan b. He's got a plan ê - yeah with a hyphen and everything. I'd rather he got it right from the start of the match.

Unless he's lost the dressing room he should stay. He may have though.

comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
That's fair TOOR, as is the opinion he should go.

It's not knee-jerk idiocy just because you disagree with it.
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I didn't say it was knee jerk idiocy, you did, a few months back.

comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
If you accept 5th/6th is our level, which I can understand, then surely winning trophies (especially the Europa with its CL appeal) becomes even more important.

The only way to stay a big club and stay in people's minds is to win stuff.

I don't see Rodgers as being good enough to win stuff.

I see him being good enough to compete and be a nearly man.

There is no reason with our money we can't be getting to the latter stages of the EL. I can accept we can't compete with City, Chelsea etc. don't tell me we can't compete with Dnipro, Sevilla, Napoli and Benfica etc.

Rodgers has had two cracks at it and fell at the first KO hurdle both times.

I don't see anything to see why that will suddenly change and we will go deep in the competition, nor why we will suddenly win a domestic cup.

The chances have been there already and we haven't taken them.
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If that's what you wanted from the club I cant See why you'd be 50/50 on Dalglish going. He had us doing very well in cups. I want something different from the club and that's why I wanted the change. Rodgers has shown he can do that and I feel can do it often if allowed to continue.

I dont think Rodgers has a plan. Any player who is even slightly versatile plays nearly every position on pitch except in goal. Look at Marko, even Sterling, Can, Hendo, Coutinho, Johnson... Dang near everyone. Rodgers does not know the players' best position despite spending a minimum of a year with everyone of them. It would be quicker to list players who have settled into a position than those who have not because you'd have Mig alone, and thats by default.
Rodgers has to change formation and personel midgame every other time. Having to do this once in a while is good management but for Rodgers it indicates that he does not know what he is doing because he always has to do it. He sets us up wrong, rectifies it mid game, we sneak a draw or win and people are waxing lyrical about his tactical nous.
I expect a manager of three years to be past that stage. My confidence in Rodgers is running very very low.

ive said it on a few articles now,

I really want brendan to stay, coaching, educating the youth, tactically outclassing the opposition are some of his greatest traits.

i also think he has a great eye for a player, costa the year before he became the main man at atletico, Mhkitaryian prior to dortmund, Sanchez when unwanted at barca, Willian prior to chelsea, Salah, the list goes on with his primary transfer candidates.

but he couldnt attract any of them, they were not delivered, then we end up with second, third choices etc, and we drift further from the ideal class of player, with the ideal attributes..

Case in point is getting aspas instead of costa last season.

When BR joined he refused to have a DOF and comprimised with FSG on a transfer commitee, its time for FSG to say to him "we want a big name DoF to help draw in the big names you want" and its time for brendan to swallow a little bit of pride and say "i need that help" because untill he wins things, he cant draw them.

if he refuses, then de boer and klopp have both worked under a DoF, and both would do so again im sure, while in turn having their own big name appeal.

brendan taking a step back from transfers, negotiations, scouting etc would be good for him, let him concentrate more of his time on coaching our young squad, analysing their performances and improving them on training ground, tactically out thinking the opposition

he could still be involved in transfers, and identifying players etc, but its clear we need more big name appeal, this can be achieved while keeping brendan, if brendan cant get on board with the clubs need for that, then he should probably leave, he will never fulfill his potential if he cant identify his faults

I didn't say it was knee jerk idiocy, you did, a few months back.

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Yes, in about November when I wrote that article. It was knee-jerk in November.

A lot has happened since then, hasn't it?

Personally I think we have every chance of turning three losses and a draw into four wins? Really?

Would he then be a good manager like last season instead of the bad manager he is now?

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Management is basically that simple.

It comes down to moments, a bit of good luck, or bad luck, a great decision, a bad decision. A great signing, a bad signing.

It's all small margins.

If it wasn't then no managers would ever get sacked because very few do utterly abysmal jobs.

Most do ok. Most have excuses for why they could have done better. A hard luck story, an injury here, a player they wanted but didn't get there.

A small percentage become the serial winners.

As one of the top clubs in England, and richest clubs in the world, we should be targeting the small percentage.

Rodgers isn't it, and hasn't done enough to suggest he will be any time soon.

You don't keep getting chances to win.

A reputation disappears quicker than it arrives.

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Problem is Rodgers will see it that if we bring in a DoF and go on to better things, he will never really get the credit for it. Most will go to the DoF.

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Bwendan Wodgers!!!

PLEASE KEEP HIM!