I can understand DDG wanting to move back home and home being to a city where one of the best teams in the world happen to be situated, can't knock him for that.
Like you said OP, it's annoying that we seem to end up holding the shıtty end of the stick regarding deals. We need to grow a set of balls and stand firm sooner or later.
How to build up your strategy is hard
*How big is Real Madrid interest?
- They need a new GK, and they certainly want DDG, is there any other good candidates out there for them with the same set of skills? No, he's brilliant, spanish and the future. Hard to top that.
This should bump the price
- They might face a transfer ban which will end DDG's contract ran down by over 6 months. (Given they start having it january 2016 to january 2017). DDG contract runs out 30 june 2016.
This should also see them desperate to seal the deal before the end of this window. But the window has hardly been opened for anymore than 4 days. They still have almost 2 months to make it happend and that should require alot more than £30m that has been bid. Can I hear £50m?
I can't be the only one who is tired of hearing hes from Madrid therefore it is understandable he wants to go back hence we should allow him to go back
Bottom line is he has a contract with us so we should have the final say. If we can only get £15m for him, I say keep him as he easily won us way over 15m's worth of points this season.
If he refuses to play, bench him, we're a big club with seemingly unlimited financials so shouldn't be a problem
I should also add that Madrid are in despearate need of a new keeper and there aren't many top class ones around. Add the fact de gea is the future of Spain, we should be taking them to the cleaners and demanding s huge fee regardless of contract expiration
vG has been peddling the line about "players decide now"
In hindsight we should've known then he was going. When VV signed, we should've known through hindsight.
I didn't. I was looking through love is blindsight. I thought he'd stay
Now bag is saying Stan in nobodies way if they want to leave, and I agree.
Has DDG ever signed a new contract? He's already sacrificed a lot if not (in wages) so he's been planning this for a while.
Good luck to the kid. He's World Class, but not irreplaceable, like Ronaldo was.
Love the sentiment but no way will united keep an unhappy player for 12 months, forgoing a transfer fee and spoiling any relationship they think they might have with Madrid.
If DDG says he wants out and Real bid then he will go. I expect this to happen within the next week now the manger has been named and he clarifies what will happen with. Casillas.
I'm May be wrong but im also pretty sure Real dismissed the reports that they faced a transfer ban as pure fantasy.
Now vG is saying stand in nobodies way*
Guys this is football, it happens.
DDG is a huge loss, but anything plus 20m with his contract we may as well take and reinvest in someone like lloris.
I dont wanna see him benched for a year, it doesnt benefit anyone, least of all us.
Sorry but this article is not realistic at all. And sadly we're NOT the biggest dog in the yard. Madrid are.
Also......people seem to have totally not thought of his personal situation. His girlfriend, who is famous in her own right, doesn't live with him here. She still lives in Madrid, so it can't be easy for the lad not being with her much.
That will be the biggest reason I'd imagine he wants out.
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It won't benefit us in this instance but it does set a precedent for us in the future. It says to the players and the madrids of the world that you can't f with us. Pay up I you want to leave or suffer.
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Thats not how football, or life works. If ddg isnt happy at the club, they will sell him.
Getting 20 mil is not pointless, we may have a lot of money, it doesnt mean we can waste it willy nilly.
Thank god the club will take a different approach to this.
Firstly agree that real madrid always seem to get one up on us. Lets not forget Beckham, he was sold ridiculously cheap considering his off field worth too.
Secondly I don't blame the lad. He has done well at United but Madrid is his home, his gf is there and Madrid come calling it is hard to say no.
That's not to say we sell him on the cheap. None of us know how much we are asking for him. I have read various amounts, including £35m or he isn't going anywhere. Hope the latter is true.
The daft thing is we may well get near what we are looking for but you can bet your bottom dollar if we were to get Bale or Benzema their fee will be even more inflated !
De Gea would be bored at Madrid. They concede about 5 goals a season in that joke league. We conceded 37 in the PL because it is a proper league. Would you see Real Madrid conceding 37 in their poxy league? Not in a million years.
comment by Stretty - Mata is the Juan (U3123)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Guys this is football, it happens.
DDG is a huge loss, but anything plus 20m with his contract we may as well take and reinvest in someone like lloris.
I dont wanna see him benched for a year, it doesnt benefit anyone, least of all us.
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It isn't a huge factor, but bear in mind that DDG is still on his old, cheap contract, whereas if you brought in Lloris for example not only would Levy take you to the cleaners, but you would have to immediately put him onto a new, big, fat contract...ie the difference won't be £20m, it will be say £16m (because Lloris would demand an extra £80k a week vs DDG's current contract), so there is a slightly stronger argument for keeping DDG for an extra year.
This is not the end of the world. DDG is a great keeper no doubting that and won us many points on his own last season. However, as long as we replace with another decent keeper i.e Lloris and a good solid centre back that will make up the points that DDG won us, couple that with another striker we will probably be on the lookout for and we'll be fine.
The way your board and the Spurs board operate I can see you getting £20m for DDG and paying £25m for Lloris.
comment by MonDieu (U20439)
posted 56 seconds ago
The way your board and the Spurs board operate I can see you getting £20m for DDG and paying £25m for Lloris.
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You're optimistic....I could see them flogging DDG for £18m and paying £32m for Lloris.
Note how when Liverpool have a player who wants to leave the papers are helpfully nudged towards the valuation the club wants - "Sterling in £40m tug of war....we won't sell for £50m etc" - but with DDG complete press silence, I guess Woodward is too busy buying fresh lube.
If he wants to go back home to Madrid so much, why not just offer him to Atletico? They could give us Oblak and £20m. Wishful thinking I know but that would certainly p|ss off those vultures at the Bernabeau.
We have one of the best keepers in the world who will be Spain's number 1 for many years.
So can someone give me 1 benefit of selling to Madrid unless they are prepared to pay silly money?
The positives of not selling are as follows
1) Madrid and most importantly all players joining utd will realise we are not a spring board for them to join Madrid
2)Utd are about the only club that can take the financial repercussionin their stride so if they don't stand up the Epl will continue to lose its world class players to Madrid/bar a
3)a year is a long time, anything can happen. Change of heart, Madrid ban, god forbid injury or loss of form for ddg. Will Madrid still be in a position or want to sign him?
4) the whole world is watching and expecting utd to bend over, I honestly can't think of a stronger statement of intent than going out and buying another top keeper and benching ddg if Madrid try to short change us or ddg does a Gareth bale and demands to leave
So can someone give me 1 benefit of selling to Madrid unless they are prepared to pay silly money?
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Because he wants to go there and well lose him in ayear anyway, no point keeping him, buy a keeeper who will be here for years and use next season to intergrate him.
Stretty
That's not a benefit. That's an excuse
The type arsenal were using when the let their best players be cherry picked by other clubs
Ok so we keep DDG for an extra year, next year he goes for nothing, we then have to buy a keeper that has to settle in and what have we gained?
Nothing.
Stretty
We demand Madrid pay stupid money.
If Madrid are sensible they will realise a year is a long time and will stomp up.
If not keep him, and depending on ddg attitude and availability of top keeper we go ahead and buy is replacement or not.
The only thing we lose in this situation is money which is of hardly any consequence.
But the ripple effect of such action will benefit utd in future transaction but also the epl.
comment by Stretty - Mata is the Juan (U3123)
posted 3 minutes ago
Ok so we keep DDG for an extra year, next year he goes for nothing, we then have to buy a keeper that has to settle in and what have we gained?
Nothing.
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Well, firstly you have an entire year to source a new keeper, which might make him cheaper - ie you don't have to pay a desperation premium. For a start it gives you a year to work out whether Valdes could be number 1, not even sure LVG knows that yet.
And secondly it might allow you to bring in a new GK from a position of strength, into a more settled side. If I asked you right now, given current squads, whether you would absolutely bet your house on United finishing top 4, I would imagine you would say no. If a new GK were to be a Taibiesque disaster, and he was worth eg 10 points fewer than DDG a season, getting him in now would be a huge problem, because he might cost you top 4.
Buying him in a year, with a more settled defence, and in a team that say finished 3rd, and 15 points above 5th, might be a lot easier.
We dont need a year to source one, because one of the best in the business is avilible and leaving west london
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posted on 4/6/15
I can understand DDG wanting to move back home and home being to a city where one of the best teams in the world happen to be situated, can't knock him for that.
Like you said OP, it's annoying that we seem to end up holding the shıtty end of the stick regarding deals. We need to grow a set of balls and stand firm sooner or later.
posted on 4/6/15
How to build up your strategy is hard
*How big is Real Madrid interest?
- They need a new GK, and they certainly want DDG, is there any other good candidates out there for them with the same set of skills? No, he's brilliant, spanish and the future. Hard to top that.
This should bump the price
- They might face a transfer ban which will end DDG's contract ran down by over 6 months. (Given they start having it january 2016 to january 2017). DDG contract runs out 30 june 2016.
This should also see them desperate to seal the deal before the end of this window. But the window has hardly been opened for anymore than 4 days. They still have almost 2 months to make it happend and that should require alot more than £30m that has been bid. Can I hear £50m?
posted on 4/6/15
I can't be the only one who is tired of hearing hes from Madrid therefore it is understandable he wants to go back hence we should allow him to go back
Bottom line is he has a contract with us so we should have the final say. If we can only get £15m for him, I say keep him as he easily won us way over 15m's worth of points this season.
If he refuses to play, bench him, we're a big club with seemingly unlimited financials so shouldn't be a problem
posted on 4/6/15
I should also add that Madrid are in despearate need of a new keeper and there aren't many top class ones around. Add the fact de gea is the future of Spain, we should be taking them to the cleaners and demanding s huge fee regardless of contract expiration
posted on 4/6/15
vG has been peddling the line about "players decide now"
In hindsight we should've known then he was going. When VV signed, we should've known through hindsight.
I didn't. I was looking through love is blindsight. I thought he'd stay
Now bag is saying Stan in nobodies way if they want to leave, and I agree.
Has DDG ever signed a new contract? He's already sacrificed a lot if not (in wages) so he's been planning this for a while.
Good luck to the kid. He's World Class, but not irreplaceable, like Ronaldo was.
posted on 4/6/15
Love the sentiment but no way will united keep an unhappy player for 12 months, forgoing a transfer fee and spoiling any relationship they think they might have with Madrid.
If DDG says he wants out and Real bid then he will go. I expect this to happen within the next week now the manger has been named and he clarifies what will happen with. Casillas.
I'm May be wrong but im also pretty sure Real dismissed the reports that they faced a transfer ban as pure fantasy.
posted on 4/6/15
Now vG is saying stand in nobodies way*
posted on 4/6/15
Guys this is football, it happens.
DDG is a huge loss, but anything plus 20m with his contract we may as well take and reinvest in someone like lloris.
I dont wanna see him benched for a year, it doesnt benefit anyone, least of all us.
posted on 4/6/15
Sorry but this article is not realistic at all. And sadly we're NOT the biggest dog in the yard. Madrid are.
Also......people seem to have totally not thought of his personal situation. His girlfriend, who is famous in her own right, doesn't live with him here. She still lives in Madrid, so it can't be easy for the lad not being with her much.
That will be the biggest reason I'd imagine he wants out.
posted on 4/6/15
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posted on 4/6/15
It won't benefit us in this instance but it does set a precedent for us in the future. It says to the players and the madrids of the world that you can't f with us. Pay up I you want to leave or suffer.
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Thats not how football, or life works. If ddg isnt happy at the club, they will sell him.
Getting 20 mil is not pointless, we may have a lot of money, it doesnt mean we can waste it willy nilly.
Thank god the club will take a different approach to this.
posted on 4/6/15
Firstly agree that real madrid always seem to get one up on us. Lets not forget Beckham, he was sold ridiculously cheap considering his off field worth too.
Secondly I don't blame the lad. He has done well at United but Madrid is his home, his gf is there and Madrid come calling it is hard to say no.
That's not to say we sell him on the cheap. None of us know how much we are asking for him. I have read various amounts, including £35m or he isn't going anywhere. Hope the latter is true.
The daft thing is we may well get near what we are looking for but you can bet your bottom dollar if we were to get Bale or Benzema their fee will be even more inflated !
posted on 4/6/15
De Gea would be bored at Madrid. They concede about 5 goals a season in that joke league. We conceded 37 in the PL because it is a proper league. Would you see Real Madrid conceding 37 in their poxy league? Not in a million years.
posted on 4/6/15
comment by Stretty - Mata is the Juan (U3123)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Guys this is football, it happens.
DDG is a huge loss, but anything plus 20m with his contract we may as well take and reinvest in someone like lloris.
I dont wanna see him benched for a year, it doesnt benefit anyone, least of all us.
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It isn't a huge factor, but bear in mind that DDG is still on his old, cheap contract, whereas if you brought in Lloris for example not only would Levy take you to the cleaners, but you would have to immediately put him onto a new, big, fat contract...ie the difference won't be £20m, it will be say £16m (because Lloris would demand an extra £80k a week vs DDG's current contract), so there is a slightly stronger argument for keeping DDG for an extra year.
posted on 4/6/15
This is not the end of the world. DDG is a great keeper no doubting that and won us many points on his own last season. However, as long as we replace with another decent keeper i.e Lloris and a good solid centre back that will make up the points that DDG won us, couple that with another striker we will probably be on the lookout for and we'll be fine.
posted on 4/6/15
The way your board and the Spurs board operate I can see you getting £20m for DDG and paying £25m for Lloris.
posted on 4/6/15
comment by MonDieu (U20439)
posted 56 seconds ago
The way your board and the Spurs board operate I can see you getting £20m for DDG and paying £25m for Lloris.
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You're optimistic....I could see them flogging DDG for £18m and paying £32m for Lloris.
Note how when Liverpool have a player who wants to leave the papers are helpfully nudged towards the valuation the club wants - "Sterling in £40m tug of war....we won't sell for £50m etc" - but with DDG complete press silence, I guess Woodward is too busy buying fresh lube.
posted on 4/6/15
If he wants to go back home to Madrid so much, why not just offer him to Atletico? They could give us Oblak and £20m. Wishful thinking I know but that would certainly p|ss off those vultures at the Bernabeau.
posted on 4/6/15
We have one of the best keepers in the world who will be Spain's number 1 for many years.
So can someone give me 1 benefit of selling to Madrid unless they are prepared to pay silly money?
The positives of not selling are as follows
1) Madrid and most importantly all players joining utd will realise we are not a spring board for them to join Madrid
2)Utd are about the only club that can take the financial repercussionin their stride so if they don't stand up the Epl will continue to lose its world class players to Madrid/bar a
3)a year is a long time, anything can happen. Change of heart, Madrid ban, god forbid injury or loss of form for ddg. Will Madrid still be in a position or want to sign him?
4) the whole world is watching and expecting utd to bend over, I honestly can't think of a stronger statement of intent than going out and buying another top keeper and benching ddg if Madrid try to short change us or ddg does a Gareth bale and demands to leave
posted on 4/6/15
So can someone give me 1 benefit of selling to Madrid unless they are prepared to pay silly money?
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Because he wants to go there and well lose him in ayear anyway, no point keeping him, buy a keeeper who will be here for years and use next season to intergrate him.
posted on 4/6/15
Stretty
That's not a benefit. That's an excuse
The type arsenal were using when the let their best players be cherry picked by other clubs
posted on 4/6/15
Ok so we keep DDG for an extra year, next year he goes for nothing, we then have to buy a keeper that has to settle in and what have we gained?
Nothing.
posted on 4/6/15
Stretty
We demand Madrid pay stupid money.
If Madrid are sensible they will realise a year is a long time and will stomp up.
If not keep him, and depending on ddg attitude and availability of top keeper we go ahead and buy is replacement or not.
The only thing we lose in this situation is money which is of hardly any consequence.
But the ripple effect of such action will benefit utd in future transaction but also the epl.
posted on 4/6/15
comment by Stretty - Mata is the Juan (U3123)
posted 3 minutes ago
Ok so we keep DDG for an extra year, next year he goes for nothing, we then have to buy a keeper that has to settle in and what have we gained?
Nothing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, firstly you have an entire year to source a new keeper, which might make him cheaper - ie you don't have to pay a desperation premium. For a start it gives you a year to work out whether Valdes could be number 1, not even sure LVG knows that yet.
And secondly it might allow you to bring in a new GK from a position of strength, into a more settled side. If I asked you right now, given current squads, whether you would absolutely bet your house on United finishing top 4, I would imagine you would say no. If a new GK were to be a Taibiesque disaster, and he was worth eg 10 points fewer than DDG a season, getting him in now would be a huge problem, because he might cost you top 4.
Buying him in a year, with a more settled defence, and in a team that say finished 3rd, and 15 points above 5th, might be a lot easier.
posted on 4/6/15
We dont need a year to source one, because one of the best in the business is avilible and leaving west london
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