"People get political motivation confused with religious motivation because they might call out gods name before battle or pray to god before slaughtering a person."
I would argue you are actually confusing motivation with justification. The motivation may be political, but the personal justification is then religious.
As I said earlier, my uncle is a founder member of the Muslim Council of Britain and this was what he said when interviewed by Panorama on the subject -
"A lot of them still live in a state of denial. It is my personal belief that because they are in this state of denial, they cannot become real, you know, sort of like, forthright, really forthright about wanting to do something about the kind of extremism that prevails."
Your line of thought and purely thinking of the motivation rather than the justification is exactly what he was referring to there.
"They see other Muslims suffering and destruction in the middle-east caused by the west and it's allies so they travel to do something about. Very simple."
WTF, they are brainwashed into believing an Islamic State is their paradise.
"We wanted Syria destabilised so we could get rid of Assad."
Because he's been slaughtering thousands of people, hundreds of thousands in fact.
He walked into an impossible position, don't make out that Syria was a nice place before he took dictatorship because that simply isn't true. His father was an evil man himself.
Just so turns out, he is actually the lesser of two evils, which seemed impossible at the time.
Yes we flew the planes into the twin towers.
Who saved the Muslims in Serbia oh the west, who helped Iran when Iraq invaded? Oh that would be the west again.
B'stsrds
"Why did a Brit kill Lee Rigby? It was politically motivated. The killer said so on video and it's out there for all to see."
Sorry, I just saw this. That's exactly my point, he didn't kill Lee Rigby as a Brit or any nationality, he killed him as a Muslim. His first sentence was "The only reason we have killed this man today is because Muslims are dying daily by British Soldiers".
He turned a political issue into a religious one. I'm going to quote my uncle again here -
"They needed to send out a clear message to the whole of the Muslim community up and down the country, that, "Look, we shouldn't be creating a fight because we want to fight on religious grounds, when religion doesn't actually come into this"
That distortion that is happening regardless of what you think is an issue as it adds to the individual justification. Arguing that it doesn't, to me, is a very dangerous point of view.
Are we still pretending ISIS aren't Muslims? Even though Islamic States follow brutal in humane laws... Sharia Law.. Or as I prefer to call it, "legalising rape and brutality."
1996 Luxor - yet these Muslims are only killing westerners because of our actions in Afghanistan and Iraq apparently. Time travelling Muslims
ISIS are an extension of Islam. That's all.
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 4 minutes ago
The end of the day some Muslims still go on about the crusades.
What exactly is the difference with is and what they are doing?
We blow a mosque up and it's an atrocity, Muslim terrorists do it and no one bats an eye lid.
Christian churches attacked by Islamic terrorists nothing is done about it, no outrage or remarks from some of the posters making comments on here.
Is is responsible for terrorist attacks, slavery and subdugation, mass executions, crucifixions and throwing gay people off building, public beheadings of aid workers and reporters, forcing people to convert to Islam or die.
Have I missed anything.
Yes their portraying Islam as peaceful and tolerant.
No one answered my question, would you let your child Marry a non Muslim or change faith?
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Who goes on about the crusades, WHO??
You are exaggerating to make events in the Islamic world, in recent history look less horrific.
I see you know nothing about Islam as well because you are now asking me if I would let my child convert to a different faith or marry somebody different.
What an original question!
I suppose you are hoping I say no and admit to the death to apostates fallacy.
Relax, there is no such law and just another lie pedalled by the ignorant.
The death penalty is for treason i.e. selling out to harm other people of the Islamic faith.
Treason being a crime punishable by death in the most "free" country in the world the good ol USA.
This is just another example of why people shouldn't criticise Islam without being able to read or understand Arabic.
To answer your question my child can do what ever he/she wants. Human beings have free will and can chose what they want out of life.
My responsibility as a Muslim ends with me educating them on Islam and loving them.
As the Quran says there is no compulsion in religion, you simply can't force the heart to do what it doesn't want to do.
Here i a question for you.... who made the middle-east what it is.
We literally created these countries, Britain drew those borders. After we divided that region like a cake we installed our own corrupt dictators and royal families, who then went on to persecute the people they ruled.
If this wasn't enough once we got bored of our puppet leaders we would overthrow those governments causing more killing and mayhem.
We then sanctioned the hell out of those countries including Iraq the result of which caused the death of over 1 million children.
We then invade said countries and rape them of there natural resources, turning the infrastructure to rubble and killing millions more.
All of this without a break since the 40's.
I haven't even talked about Palestine.
Are you telling me this interference hasn't shaped the middle-east.
Look at "Islamic" countries where we haven't interfered much or have shown favour because they are our allies.
Morocco, Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, Algeria, Dubai...
How much death and destruction in these countries?
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 17 minutes ago
Yes we flew the planes into the twin towers.
Who saved the Muslims in Serbia oh the west, who helped Iran when Iraq invaded? Oh that would be the west again.
B'stsrds
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Yes all of this started during 9/11
NO! no it didn't.
Why did they commit that horrible act of flying those planes into buildings.
Bin Ladin explicitly said it was because of the support shown to Israel, bases in the middle-east etc.
Bin laden also wouldn't have doing what he was doing if it wasn't for the CIA helping and arming him.
comment by He's French, He's Flash... The Artist Formerly Known As Ryan Wilson (U9335)
posted 8 minutes ago
Are we still pretending ISIS aren't Muslims? Even though Islamic States follow brutal in humane laws... Sharia Law.. Or as I prefer to call it, "legalising rape and brutality."
1996 Luxor - yet these Muslims are only killing westerners because of our actions in Afghanistan and Iraq apparently. Time travelling Muslims
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Where in Sharia does it legalise rape and brutality?
More baseless accusations from the white supremacist.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 14 minutes ago
"Why did a Brit kill Lee Rigby? It was politically motivated. The killer said so on video and it's out there for all to see."
Sorry, I just saw this. That's exactly my point, he didn't kill Lee Rigby as a Brit or any nationality, he killed him as a Muslim. His first sentence was "The only reason we have killed this man today is because Muslims are dying daily by British Soldiers".
He turned a political issue into a religious one. I'm going to quote my uncle again here -
"They needed to send out a clear message to the whole of the Muslim community up and down the country, that, "Look, we shouldn't be creating a fight because we want to fight on religious grounds, when religion doesn't actually come into this"
That distortion that is happening regardless of what you think is an issue as it adds to the individual justification. Arguing that it doesn't, to me, is a very dangerous point of view.
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"The only reason we have killed this man today is because Muslims are dying daily by British Soldiers".
How is this not a political motivation?
If Islam is so brilliant then why do Muslims flock to western countries? As a proud Brit, I wouldn't dream of moving to one of the many shít holes in the Middle East and North Africa.
Muslims in general will look to make excuses for anything done in the name of Allah. Look at the Charlie Hebdo killings. Even the "moderates" were caveating their condemnation with comments like "but I can see why it happened."
You bury your head in the sand if you want but if you can't see what's going on in the Middle East with the rise of is and the radicalisation Of people from your faith then you are the stupid one.
If people don't trust Islam its not our fault it's yours.
In many Muslim countries Sharia Law prescribes beheading and stoning as punishment. Is that not brutal? Or is your head just that far up your arsè?
"I wouldn't dream of moving to one of the many shít holes in the Middle East and North Africa."
No need - there's far more shîtholes in the UK.
Again I say who saved the Muslims in Serbia and Iran.
It wasn't Muslims was it it was westerners, still at the same time muslims from different sects slaughter each other.
Nazism and Is are two sides of the same coin.
comment by Juan Kerr (U1841)
posted 1 minute ago
"I wouldn't dream of moving to one of the many shít holes in the Middle East and North Africa."
No need - there's far more shîtholes in the UK.
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There certainly isn't.
comment by He's French, He's Flash... The Artist Formerly Known As Ryan Wilson (U9335)
posted 1 minute ago
If Islam is so brilliant then why do Muslims flock to western countries? As a proud Brit, I wouldn't dream of moving to one of the many shít holes in the Middle East and North Africa.
Muslims in general will look to make excuses for anything done in the name of Allah. Look at the Charlie Hebdo killings. Even the "moderates" were caveating their condemnation with comments like "but I can see why it happened."
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Muslims don't flock Britain and if any do come here from other countries then they probably have a right to because we blew there homes up.
Lebanon, Dubai, Iran are very beautiful countries actually. The rest must have been amazing as well before we turned it to rubble.
It's pretty simple why Hebdo happened, the magazine drew a cartoon, somebody didn't like it and killed the people responsible. I think we can all see why it happened.
Justifying it is a different thing I would imagine.
"I wouldn't dream of moving to one of the many shít holes in the Middle East and North Africa."
No need - there's far more shîtholes in the UK.
It's safer here that's for sure, until the next 7/7
"How is this not a political motivation?"
I'll reiterate, you are confusing motivation with justification. The political motivation is the killing of people from the Middle East. The justification is that they are fellow Muslims.
It's pretty simple why Hebdo happened, the magazine drew a cartoon, somebody didn't like it and killed the people responsible. I think we can all see why it happened.
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Yes, because of insane people believing in fairy tales. Supported by other insane people believing the same fairy tales and willing to down play the severity of it, like you just did
French - there is.
And any town your in is a shîthole.
comment by He's French, He's Flash... The Artist Formerly Known As Ryan Wilson (U9335)
posted 3 minutes ago
In many Muslim countries Sharia Law prescribes beheading and stoning as punishment. Is that not brutal? Or is your head just that far up your arsè?
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haha I have to chuckle when you call it Sharia Law
Sharia basically means law in Arabic so you don't need to add the extra law on the end.
Unless you want to call it Law Law.
The fact that you don't even know what the word means highlights your ignorance.
Tell me in detail where in the Quran it says those things and in what context then we can have a conversation about.
You talk about brutality but you want the middle-east nuked, you really are a nutcase.
comment by Juan Kerr (U1841)
posted 58 seconds ago
French - there is.
And any town your in is a shîthole.
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Luton is pretty bad as well.
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posted on 3/7/15
"People get political motivation confused with religious motivation because they might call out gods name before battle or pray to god before slaughtering a person."
I would argue you are actually confusing motivation with justification. The motivation may be political, but the personal justification is then religious.
As I said earlier, my uncle is a founder member of the Muslim Council of Britain and this was what he said when interviewed by Panorama on the subject -
"A lot of them still live in a state of denial. It is my personal belief that because they are in this state of denial, they cannot become real, you know, sort of like, forthright, really forthright about wanting to do something about the kind of extremism that prevails."
Your line of thought and purely thinking of the motivation rather than the justification is exactly what he was referring to there.
posted on 3/7/15
"They see other Muslims suffering and destruction in the middle-east caused by the west and it's allies so they travel to do something about. Very simple."
WTF, they are brainwashed into believing an Islamic State is their paradise.
posted on 3/7/15
"We wanted Syria destabilised so we could get rid of Assad."
Because he's been slaughtering thousands of people, hundreds of thousands in fact.
He walked into an impossible position, don't make out that Syria was a nice place before he took dictatorship because that simply isn't true. His father was an evil man himself.
Just so turns out, he is actually the lesser of two evils, which seemed impossible at the time.
posted on 3/7/15
Yes we flew the planes into the twin towers.
Who saved the Muslims in Serbia oh the west, who helped Iran when Iraq invaded? Oh that would be the west again.
B'stsrds
posted on 3/7/15
"Why did a Brit kill Lee Rigby? It was politically motivated. The killer said so on video and it's out there for all to see."
Sorry, I just saw this. That's exactly my point, he didn't kill Lee Rigby as a Brit or any nationality, he killed him as a Muslim. His first sentence was "The only reason we have killed this man today is because Muslims are dying daily by British Soldiers".
He turned a political issue into a religious one. I'm going to quote my uncle again here -
"They needed to send out a clear message to the whole of the Muslim community up and down the country, that, "Look, we shouldn't be creating a fight because we want to fight on religious grounds, when religion doesn't actually come into this"
That distortion that is happening regardless of what you think is an issue as it adds to the individual justification. Arguing that it doesn't, to me, is a very dangerous point of view.
posted on 3/7/15
Are we still pretending ISIS aren't Muslims? Even though Islamic States follow brutal in humane laws... Sharia Law.. Or as I prefer to call it, "legalising rape and brutality."
1996 Luxor - yet these Muslims are only killing westerners because of our actions in Afghanistan and Iraq apparently. Time travelling Muslims
posted on 3/7/15
1997*
posted on 3/7/15
ISIS are an extension of Islam. That's all.
posted on 3/7/15
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 4 minutes ago
The end of the day some Muslims still go on about the crusades.
What exactly is the difference with is and what they are doing?
We blow a mosque up and it's an atrocity, Muslim terrorists do it and no one bats an eye lid.
Christian churches attacked by Islamic terrorists nothing is done about it, no outrage or remarks from some of the posters making comments on here.
Is is responsible for terrorist attacks, slavery and subdugation, mass executions, crucifixions and throwing gay people off building, public beheadings of aid workers and reporters, forcing people to convert to Islam or die.
Have I missed anything.
Yes their portraying Islam as peaceful and tolerant.
No one answered my question, would you let your child Marry a non Muslim or change faith?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who goes on about the crusades, WHO??
You are exaggerating to make events in the Islamic world, in recent history look less horrific.
I see you know nothing about Islam as well because you are now asking me if I would let my child convert to a different faith or marry somebody different.
What an original question!
I suppose you are hoping I say no and admit to the death to apostates fallacy.
Relax, there is no such law and just another lie pedalled by the ignorant.
The death penalty is for treason i.e. selling out to harm other people of the Islamic faith.
Treason being a crime punishable by death in the most "free" country in the world the good ol USA.
This is just another example of why people shouldn't criticise Islam without being able to read or understand Arabic.
To answer your question my child can do what ever he/she wants. Human beings have free will and can chose what they want out of life.
My responsibility as a Muslim ends with me educating them on Islam and loving them.
As the Quran says there is no compulsion in religion, you simply can't force the heart to do what it doesn't want to do.
Here i a question for you.... who made the middle-east what it is.
We literally created these countries, Britain drew those borders. After we divided that region like a cake we installed our own corrupt dictators and royal families, who then went on to persecute the people they ruled.
If this wasn't enough once we got bored of our puppet leaders we would overthrow those governments causing more killing and mayhem.
We then sanctioned the hell out of those countries including Iraq the result of which caused the death of over 1 million children.
We then invade said countries and rape them of there natural resources, turning the infrastructure to rubble and killing millions more.
All of this without a break since the 40's.
I haven't even talked about Palestine.
Are you telling me this interference hasn't shaped the middle-east.
Look at "Islamic" countries where we haven't interfered much or have shown favour because they are our allies.
Morocco, Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, Algeria, Dubai...
How much death and destruction in these countries?
posted on 3/7/15
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 17 minutes ago
Yes we flew the planes into the twin towers.
Who saved the Muslims in Serbia oh the west, who helped Iran when Iraq invaded? Oh that would be the west again.
B'stsrds
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes all of this started during 9/11
NO! no it didn't.
Why did they commit that horrible act of flying those planes into buildings.
Bin Ladin explicitly said it was because of the support shown to Israel, bases in the middle-east etc.
Bin laden also wouldn't have doing what he was doing if it wasn't for the CIA helping and arming him.
posted on 3/7/15
comment by He's French, He's Flash... The Artist Formerly Known As Ryan Wilson (U9335)
posted 8 minutes ago
Are we still pretending ISIS aren't Muslims? Even though Islamic States follow brutal in humane laws... Sharia Law.. Or as I prefer to call it, "legalising rape and brutality."
1996 Luxor - yet these Muslims are only killing westerners because of our actions in Afghanistan and Iraq apparently. Time travelling Muslims
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Where in Sharia does it legalise rape and brutality?
More baseless accusations from the white supremacist.
posted on 3/7/15
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 14 minutes ago
"Why did a Brit kill Lee Rigby? It was politically motivated. The killer said so on video and it's out there for all to see."
Sorry, I just saw this. That's exactly my point, he didn't kill Lee Rigby as a Brit or any nationality, he killed him as a Muslim. His first sentence was "The only reason we have killed this man today is because Muslims are dying daily by British Soldiers".
He turned a political issue into a religious one. I'm going to quote my uncle again here -
"They needed to send out a clear message to the whole of the Muslim community up and down the country, that, "Look, we shouldn't be creating a fight because we want to fight on religious grounds, when religion doesn't actually come into this"
That distortion that is happening regardless of what you think is an issue as it adds to the individual justification. Arguing that it doesn't, to me, is a very dangerous point of view.
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"The only reason we have killed this man today is because Muslims are dying daily by British Soldiers".
How is this not a political motivation?
posted on 3/7/15
If Islam is so brilliant then why do Muslims flock to western countries? As a proud Brit, I wouldn't dream of moving to one of the many shít holes in the Middle East and North Africa.
Muslims in general will look to make excuses for anything done in the name of Allah. Look at the Charlie Hebdo killings. Even the "moderates" were caveating their condemnation with comments like "but I can see why it happened."
posted on 3/7/15
You bury your head in the sand if you want but if you can't see what's going on in the Middle East with the rise of is and the radicalisation Of people from your faith then you are the stupid one.
If people don't trust Islam its not our fault it's yours.
posted on 3/7/15
In many Muslim countries Sharia Law prescribes beheading and stoning as punishment. Is that not brutal? Or is your head just that far up your arsè?
posted on 3/7/15
"I wouldn't dream of moving to one of the many shít holes in the Middle East and North Africa."
No need - there's far more shîtholes in the UK.
posted on 3/7/15
Again I say who saved the Muslims in Serbia and Iran.
It wasn't Muslims was it it was westerners, still at the same time muslims from different sects slaughter each other.
Nazism and Is are two sides of the same coin.
posted on 3/7/15
comment by Juan Kerr (U1841)
posted 1 minute ago
"I wouldn't dream of moving to one of the many shít holes in the Middle East and North Africa."
No need - there's far more shîtholes in the UK.
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There certainly isn't.
posted on 3/7/15
comment by He's French, He's Flash... The Artist Formerly Known As Ryan Wilson (U9335)
posted 1 minute ago
If Islam is so brilliant then why do Muslims flock to western countries? As a proud Brit, I wouldn't dream of moving to one of the many shít holes in the Middle East and North Africa.
Muslims in general will look to make excuses for anything done in the name of Allah. Look at the Charlie Hebdo killings. Even the "moderates" were caveating their condemnation with comments like "but I can see why it happened."
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Muslims don't flock Britain and if any do come here from other countries then they probably have a right to because we blew there homes up.
Lebanon, Dubai, Iran are very beautiful countries actually. The rest must have been amazing as well before we turned it to rubble.
It's pretty simple why Hebdo happened, the magazine drew a cartoon, somebody didn't like it and killed the people responsible. I think we can all see why it happened.
Justifying it is a different thing I would imagine.
posted on 3/7/15
"I wouldn't dream of moving to one of the many shít holes in the Middle East and North Africa."
No need - there's far more shîtholes in the UK.
It's safer here that's for sure, until the next 7/7
posted on 3/7/15
"How is this not a political motivation?"
I'll reiterate, you are confusing motivation with justification. The political motivation is the killing of people from the Middle East. The justification is that they are fellow Muslims.
posted on 3/7/15
It's pretty simple why Hebdo happened, the magazine drew a cartoon, somebody didn't like it and killed the people responsible. I think we can all see why it happened.
---
Yes, because of insane people believing in fairy tales. Supported by other insane people believing the same fairy tales and willing to down play the severity of it, like you just did
posted on 3/7/15
French - there is.
And any town your in is a shîthole.
posted on 3/7/15
comment by He's French, He's Flash... The Artist Formerly Known As Ryan Wilson (U9335)
posted 3 minutes ago
In many Muslim countries Sharia Law prescribes beheading and stoning as punishment. Is that not brutal? Or is your head just that far up your arsè?
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haha I have to chuckle when you call it Sharia Law
Sharia basically means law in Arabic so you don't need to add the extra law on the end.
Unless you want to call it Law Law.
The fact that you don't even know what the word means highlights your ignorance.
Tell me in detail where in the Quran it says those things and in what context then we can have a conversation about.
You talk about brutality but you want the middle-east nuked, you really are a nutcase.
posted on 3/7/15
comment by Juan Kerr (U1841)
posted 58 seconds ago
French - there is.
And any town your in is a shîthole.
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Luton is pretty bad as well.
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