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posted on 3/7/15

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 3 hours, 24 minutes ago
That's why I put the quotes I did up busby, it's a dangerous narrative to me as it just relinquishes all culpability.


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Not really, I attribute blame to the people that commit those crimes which is why I discredit there actions as unIslamic constantly.

If I didn't feel any blame should be attributed to them I'd have no problem in accepting there actions as Islamic.

posted on 3/7/15

comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 28 minutes ago
He's talking utter bôllox, a precision strike against a combatant is justified as legitimate target.

Burning a man alive in a cage for propaganda purposes is just heinous and murder.

Christ MUDs straw clutching like a scouser it's embarrassing even by his standards.

A drone strike isn't against the Geneva convention and is a tool in the arsenal of the army.

Making videos of prisoners of war and executing them on the internet isn't.

If you can't see the difference in that then I guess you don't have a problem with it.
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What you are talking about in our first sentence is assassination.

Thats illegal.

comment by MBL. (U6305)

posted on 3/7/15

No it's not.

It's drone warfare as in what's the difference with a drone and a manned plane launching a missile at a target with a high priority enemy in it.

It's warfare and these targets are viable and valid.

Burning someone alive in a cage is not, nor is lining them up next to a ditch and shooting them at point blanco in The back of the head.

But I'm sure you will tell me that's like trench warfare next

posted on 3/7/15

comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 57 seconds ago
No it's not.

It's drone warfare as in what's the difference with a drone and a manned plane launching a missile at a target with a high priority enemy in it.

It's warfare and these targets are viable and valid.

Burning someone alive in a cage is not, nor is lining them up next to a ditch and shooting them at point blanco in The back of the head.

But I'm sure you will tell me that's like trench warfare next
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You keep on saying it's viable.

What proof do have that they are viable? Also you called them precise.

This article was printed in 2014.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/24/-sp-us-drone-strikes-kill-1147

41 men targeted but 1,147 people killed.

Apparently this isn't illegal and just like shooting somebody in the back of the head.

posted on 3/7/15

Sorry scratch the last bit out about shooting in the back of the head.

comment by Kobra (U19849)

posted on 3/7/15

comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 8 minutes ago
No it's not.

It's drone warfare as in what's the difference with a drone and a manned plane launching a missile at a target with a high priority enemy in it.

It's warfare and these targets are viable and valid.

Burning someone alive in a cage is not, nor is lining them up next to a ditch and shooting them at point blanco in The back of the head.

But I'm sure you will tell me that's like trench warfare next
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As a Muslim I looked into certain aspects to see what the rulings were on things like burning people as I had grown up hearing that burning or drowning was not allowed was punishments.

What I found was that if a person commits an act then the punishment can be the same.

So if a murderer had murdered by burning then he can be burnt.

The pilot that was burnt and buried was done so as he had hit houses with bombs that had burnt and buried the inhabitants of said houses

So yeah its the same thing IMO. Especially if it was my family who were burnt and buried by the bomb.

posted on 3/7/15

As a Muslim? There should be no link between religion and a death sentence.

comment by Kobra (U19849)

posted on 3/7/15

comment by Robb Zombie (U20351)
posted 3 minutes ago
As a Muslim? There should be no link between religion and a death sentence.
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That's where you are mistaken and why you can't grasp what I say, instead always trying to label as a sympathiser or denier or other BS. To be fair to you this is what govt doesn't understand

Everything a proper Muslim does is linked to religion.

posted on 3/7/15

comment by Falmaria (U19849)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Robb Zombie (U20351)
posted 3 minutes ago
As a Muslim? There should be no link between religion and a death sentence.
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That's where you are mistaken and why you can't grasp what I say, instead always trying to label as a sympathiser or denier or other BS. To be fair to you this is what govt doesn't understand

Everything a proper Muslim does is linked to religion.


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Yes but I thought IS weren't proper Muslims though.

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 3/7/15

comment by Falmaria (U19849)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 8 minutes ago
No it's not.

It's drone warfare as in what's the difference with a drone and a manned plane launching a missile at a target with a high priority enemy in it.

It's warfare and these targets are viable and valid.

Burning someone alive in a cage is not, nor is lining them up next to a ditch and shooting them at point blanco in The back of the head.

But I'm sure you will tell me that's like trench warfare next
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As a Muslim I looked into certain aspects to see what the rulings were on things like burning people as I had grown up hearing that burning or drowning was not allowed was punishments.

What I found was that if a person commits an act then the punishment can be the same.

So if a murderer had murdered by burning then he can be burnt.

The pilot that was burnt and buried was done so as he had hit houses with bombs that had burnt and buried the inhabitants of said houses

So yeah its the same thing IMO. Especially if it was my family who were burnt and buried by the bomb.

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Fire with fire?

I thoigh religion was about forgiveness and trusting the Lord to punish.

Surely relation action and vengeance equals an eternity in hell? Or because it was an infidel they killed they become martyrs?

That post is twisted mate.

comment by Kobra (U19849)

posted on 3/7/15

comment by Robb Zombie (U20351)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Falmaria (U19849)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Robb Zombie (U20351)
posted 3 minutes ago
As a Muslim? There should be no link between religion and a death sentence.
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That's where you are mistaken and why you can't grasp what I say, instead always trying to label as a sympathiser or denier or other BS. To be fair to you this is what govt doesn't understand

Everything a proper Muslim does is linked to religion.


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Yes but I thought IS weren't proper Muslims though.
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This is the crux and how things need to be tackled. What is proper Muslim?

I said on here recently that shia were not proper Muslim and got stick. BUT did anyone ask why or what the criteria is? No people go off on tangent and just blame or like you label

Like the holocaust, or any other topic of "sensitivity" Islam should be questioned, by Muslim and non Muslim without labelling, without criticisms etc

This bloke who did what he did in Tunisia wasn't doing an undercover, covert operation where staying alive was imperative. He wanted to do it openly and die. BIM getting killed WAS his victory and not those that killed him. That mindset will lead others to do the same not prevent

We have outrage and mockery of the whole martyr and virgins and we have people trying to change verses etc. Why? It does say that so pointless going down that route. Instead we look at when that is applicable. Show the error of implementing it when it isn't applicable

Look I know some will see me as an Isis supporter when I say this but it needs to be understood some of the arguments against them from Muslims even are not true/right. This is how they are able to dispute and gain recruits.

The battle needs to be totally different to how it is, unfortunately to say what I said is more likely to get me raided under terror laws than look at what I am saying

comment by MBL. (U6305)

posted on 3/7/15

So you think what happened to him was ok that's just sick.

The pilot was attacking a target on orders attacking an enemy that was itself killing Muslim civilians and attacked his country.

The fact you can rationalise the cold blooded execution by burning through religion just shows how twisted it is and there's the truth of it.

In wars there are rules but in this holy war it seems anything goes.

In a nutshell why I don't trust religion.

posted on 3/7/15

comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
He's talking utter bôllox, a precision strike against a combatant is justified as legitimate target.

Burning a man alive in a cage for propaganda purposes is just heinous and murder.

Christ MUDs straw clutching like a scouser it's embarrassing even by his standards.

A drone strike isn't against the Geneva convention and is a tool in the arsenal of the army.

Making videos of prisoners of war and executing them on the internet isn't.

If you can't see the difference in that then I guess you don't have a problem with it.
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What war was the USA fighting in Pakistan with the drone strikes?

What wars were the civilian casualties involved in?

Did they burn or not?

As far as ISIS are concerned the Jordanian pilot was an enemy combatant.

So again, using your logic, what is the difference?

You clearly do not know anything about the drone war

No fúcking clue.

comment by MBL. (U6305)

posted on 3/7/15

It does look like you support them and their actions.

Do you or don't you?

comment by Kobra (U19849)

posted on 3/7/15

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Falmaria (U19849)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 8 minutes ago
No it's not.

It's drone warfare as in what's the difference with a drone and a manned plane launching a missile at a target with a high priority enemy in it.

It's warfare and these targets are viable and valid.

Burning someone alive in a cage is not, nor is lining them up next to a ditch and shooting them at point blanco in The back of the head.

But I'm sure you will tell me that's like trench warfare next
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As a Muslim I looked into certain aspects to see what the rulings were on things like burning people as I had grown up hearing that burning or drowning was not allowed was punishments.

What I found was that if a person commits an act then the punishment can be the same.

So if a murderer had murdered by burning then he can be burnt.

The pilot that was burnt and buried was done so as he had hit houses with bombs that had burnt and buried the inhabitants of said houses

So yeah its the same thing IMO. Especially if it was my family who were burnt and buried by the bomb.

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Fire with fire?

I thoigh religion was about forgiveness and trusting the Lord to punish.

Surely relation action and vengeance equals an eternity in hell? Or because it was an infidel they killed they become martyrs?

That post is twisted mate.
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Busby read the above post.

Fact is not all religion is turn the other cheek. Especially Islam in certain conditions anyway

The fact is fire with fire is real, its not made up. Its implementation and how and when can be argued by experts in the field, but as a general principle thats how it is.

In Islam we have general principles, so pork is haram or not allowed. However there are specific principles. So if you are starving and life is in danger then pork is halal for you or allowed. Similarly sugar is halal but for a diabetic whose life is in danger from it it isn't. It becomes poison for him

Now we have people who feel peckish and pop I to maccy D and have a big Mac, using the hungry and allowed principle. But its only if there is danger of death and even then enough to sustain. Not a hog BBQ

Do you see what I mean by that analogy?

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 3/7/15

You do make a couple of good points there Falmaria.

The Quran (bible and every other "holy" book) is outdated and when taken literally results in extremism.

Religion in its purest form can only be good for the human race, even if I don't believe it myself. Religion as the world currently use it, abiding by rules and traditions, is not.

There should be only one religion, and people shouldn't have to follow rules to believe in a god.

Culture and traditions are fine, following rules from a book written thousands of years ago is plain stupidity.

posted on 3/7/15

"That's why I put the quotes I did up busby, it's a dangerous narrative to me as it just relinquishes all culpability.


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Not really, I attribute blame to the people that commit those crimes which is why I discredit there actions as unIslamic constantly."

That wasn't directed at you Kung Fu, more an underlying current that exists.

It isn't just the people doing the act that deserve blame, it is the people convincing them that it is justified too was more my point.

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 3/7/15

Yes, but I don't understand why you shouldn't be allowed to eat whatever you want.

Why is a pig not halal but a cow is?

Because a book tells you so?

comment by MBL. (U6305)

posted on 3/7/15

What taking out an enemy that's hiding that's what they do, attack then hide like cowards then execute a prisoner of war, that's against all rules of engagement and the articles of war.

What you don't like is that these people can't hide from the Americans now.

Drone warfare is a result of the actions of these terrorist commanders nothing more.

It's you that hasn't got a clue

posted on 3/7/15

comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 42 seconds ago
What taking out an enemy that's hiding that's what they do, attack then hide like cowards then execute a prisoner of war, that's against all rules of engagement and the articles of war.

What you don't like is that these people can't hide from the Americans now.

Drone warfare is a result of the actions of these terrorist commanders nothing more.

It's you that hasn't got a clue
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So, drone actions were we execute people without due process including civilian casualties is acceptable to you?

What makes us better than ISIS?

posted on 3/7/15

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
Yes, but I don't understand why you shouldn't be allowed to eat whatever you want.

Why is a pig not halal but a cow is?

Because a book tells you so?
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Not trying to offend our muslim friends here but pork being Haram is not ideal.

A pork chop is divine, trust me

comment by Kobra (U19849)

posted on 3/7/15

comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 2 minutes ago
So you think what happened to him was ok that's just sick.

The pilot was attacking a target on orders attacking an enemy that was itself killing Muslim civilians and attacked his country.

The fact you can rationalise the cold blooded execution by burning through religion just shows how twisted it is and there's the truth of it.

In wars there are rules but in this holy war it seems anything goes.

In a nutshell why I don't trust religion.
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There is no discussing with emotional idiots

Isis believe baghdadi is their caliph, in Islam the caliph has the right to implement certain laws as he sees fit. Not geneva or UN or whomever.

Those who burnt that guy also did it because they were following orders. Also worth noting is that the pilot was jordanion and Jordan hasn't been attacked by Isis then had it? So was he protecting his country?

This is the problem you are judging from one criteria making one set of oppressors correct and another incorrect. Problem is those doing the fighting don't care for what your criteria is

comment by MBL. (U6305)

posted on 3/7/15

What war are the Pakistani government fighting and the Americans too, the war that Muslims are calling jihad and a holly war.

It's not that difficult is it

comment by MBL. (U6305)

posted on 3/7/15

No point arguing with terrorist sympathisers either.

comment by Kobra (U19849)

posted on 3/7/15

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