He's not letting himself down, letting himself down would be publicly courting RM, or playing poorly and letting goals in.
He will play once the dust has settled (when the window shuts) and win us countless points this season - which will be more valuable to us than the paltry £20m that RM are offering.
Money isn't helpful to United. Whether it's £35M or £15M, it isn't going to make a difference to us.
Having De Gea is helpful to Manchester United, and us being bullied into selling him just to get SOMETHING for him, rather than keeping him, using him after the window shuts and then bringing in another goalkeeper in January to replace him and complete with Romero long term makes Manchester United look naïve and weak.
Ultimately, the reason for De Gea moving to Madrid is to go back home and still have the best possible chance of winning champions leagues and league titles and other trophies. He's a kid from Madrid who gre up dreaming of winning La Liga, not the PL. It's about nothing else.
Bottom line, selling De Gea for less than we think he's worth and deem appropriate when we're a club that could psis away £50M on prawn sandwiches and Wayne Rooney valentines day masks if we felt like it and it not be even close to any kind of issue financially, makes us look complete and total fools.
No sale.
Real Madrid have got into his head and told him to make himself unavailable for selection.
United are being very unreasonable with their asking price (and Ramos in the deal). If De Gea had more than a year left then maybe you can understand.
There is no value in keeping an unhappy player while also losing out on £20m. Van Gaal said that his performances in pre season indicated that he didn't want to be there anymore.
this is something any club would like to avoid at the start
of a new season,thank god we got the sterling saga over before the season kicked off.
comment by we are liverpool fc (U13373)
posted 15 seconds ago
this is something any club would like to avoid at the start
of a new season,thank god we got the sterling saga over before the season kicked off.
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But it started in January
>>He's not letting himself down, letting himself down would be publicly courting RM, or playing poorly and letting goals in.
excuse me? hes not wanting to play for a club he's under contract to because of his "state of mind"?? how on earth is this not letting us down? why do people claim hes being the ultimate professional?? the only difference between him and Di Maria is that hes turned up for training IMO. i'm surprised at peoples reaction to this.
Compare this to a legend like Evra. He wanted to move on but still signed a contract and actually left only weeks later!
^ and for the record, this isn't up for debate really, except by people who don't see the big picture.
The RIGHT thing to do, is to set our fee, and ignore anything beneath it. Then deal with any club issues regarding our players internally and professionally. F what the press and fans want to get themselves in a flap over out of a lack of understanding. We're Manchester United, kings of the world! We do what we want.
We've now put ourselves in a position where we cant sell him now.
Should have been sold in June if he is to leave.
Keep him, play him get top 4 again and then buy a top class replacement early next summer. Lloris for me.
i know i'm in a minority in this opinion but i think we should sell De Gea.
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I don't think anyone is in the minority when it comes to selling de Gea. In fact, everyone is happy with him leaving, which is why he got a standing ovation when he was taken off in the last home game.
It's simply ensuring we get a decent fee. For me, £15m is what we should get considering his contract is about to expire. That is nothing for a Goalkeeper Real will have for at least 10 years.
The fact they can't even bother to bid knowing his transfer is inevitable, is completely a lack of respect to us as a club. We'd rather keep him, ensure top 4, ensure we have an entire season to find an adequate replacement then stick someone we all don't trust in goal.
A lot of people are using Ronaldo as an example and saying let him stay. Ronaldo had huge respect for SAF and was part of a winning team. That's why he stayed and keep up his performance standards.
Not sure if De Gea has that sort of mindset
I would only sell De Gea this summer if I thought we had a suitable replacement. At the moment we don't have anyone in the squad who is hood enough or that LVG is prepared to play. So we have to keep him. If we can get Navas as part of the deal then I might be open to it.
comment by Robben #20 (U1145)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by we are liverpool fc (U13373)
posted 15 seconds ago
this is something any club would like to avoid at the start
of a new season,thank god we got the sterling saga over before the season kicked off.
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But it started in January
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just to let you no it started last week pal you beat spurs we beat stoke
comment by we are liverpool fc (U13373)
posted 9 minutes ago
this is something any club would like to avoid at the start
of a new season,thank god we got the sterling saga over before the season kicked off.
--------------------
Was it a saga?
comment by HK Reine-Adelaide (U20000)
posted 27 seconds ago
A lot of people are using Ronaldo as an example and saying let him stay. Ronaldo had huge respect for SAF and was part of a winning team. That's why he stayed and keep up his performance standards.
Not sure if De Gea has that sort of mindset
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It doesn't matter if De Gea doesn't play another game for Manchester United, and we pay his wages up until the end of the season and let him go on a free with our well wishes.
Money is not the factor here. Let's say we pay De Gea £100,000 a week right now. And for arguments sake lets say he has exactly 52 weeks left on his contract.
That's a cost of £5.2M pounds to Manchester United. Lets say Madrid want to pay us a maximum of £20M for De Gea right now. That means that by not selling De Gea, we're losing £25.2M.
What the blue fruck does £25.2M matter to Manchester United!!!???
It's a complete irrelevance to us. Keep De Gea, offer his a really good new contract we're happy with and stick to it. If he'd still prefer to move home throughout the season, tell him we'll wish him all the luck in the world, except when he plays against us obviously and let him leave at the end of the season.
Get him playing for us again when we choose to play him, and at the same time use Romero and maybe a new January acquisition also if we decide to strengthen.
What kind or moron would think taking the money makes look strong exactly?
comment by Robben #20 (U1145)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by we are liverpool fc (U13373)
posted 15 seconds ago
this is something any club would like to avoid at the start
of a new season,thank god we got the sterling saga over before the season kicked off.
----------
But it started in January
*****
True and surely it must have contributed somehow to our poor end of season. However, We Are said it's good we got it done before the new season which is spot on. An unhappy player is a situation you don't want but it just drags on and on and could cost you more than 20m if the rest of the team becomes disturbed
Sincerely, I would like a legitimate answer to this from someone.
What does selling for less than we're happy with, and for an amount of money that is completely irrelevant to the club, have over keeping De Gea, letting have a free transfer at the end of the season, giving him a pat on the back and saying "Good luck Dave, we hope your decision works out for you. You're special."
He knows he can leave with the clubs blessing in the summer, but also knows there's an offer on the table for him to stay. He will accept he won't be playing every game this season because the club will look after it's own interests primarily, but that also means he will play a lot of games for Manchester United still because we believe he's the best goalkeeper in the world on his day.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by we are liverpool fc (U13373)
posted 9 minutes ago
this is something any club would like to avoid at the start
of a new season,thank god we got the sterling saga over before the season kicked off.
--------------------
Was it a saga?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
yes it was, but it ended well with 50mil and a bad apple/good player moved on
I've said this on another thread but I feel that thinking a group of business men will throw away £15,000,000 or so on a principle is rather naive.
It isn't a question of whether it will make us look strong. It is a question of whether keeping De Gea in the camp and the speculation that comes with it might unsettle the camp. Then weighing up whether the negative impact on the squad might cost us more than the value of looking strong. Are we cutting off our nose to spite our face?
comment by Robbing_Hoody - Part of FSG's black flag operation (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
I've said this on another thread but I feel that thinking a group of business men will throw away £15,000,000 or so on a principle is rather naive.
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Throw away £15m, how? He would be worth more than that to us, playing for 1 season...
Did Ronaldo sign a new contract in the summer of 2008 when we refused to sell him? I don't recall that, though I'm happy to be corrected. And he wasn't quite as silent as DDG in terms of his desire to leave - I remember him making a cheeky comment that he liked playing in white when wearing the Portugal away kit at the Euros and saying something in agreement with Blatter's "slavery" remark.
Anyway, I think the OP downplays the importance of posturing. If we want to establish ourselves in the marketplace as one of the big players, it doesn't help if we not only lose our best players to Real Madrid but allow them to dictate when they leave and for how much. If allowing ourselves to be pushed around to make a few million cements an impression that we are a second-tier club, that can impact our ability to recruit the best players and impact 'consumer' perceptions of us - which can adversely affect our competitiveness on the pitch and in the sponsorship market.
We should only sell to Real Madrid on our own terms, especially this late in the window.
>>He knows he can leave with the clubs blessing in the summer
eh? leaving on a free is "with the clubs blessing"???. Its uniteds fault for letting this drag on. As soon as it becomes clear he isnt signing we get him off the books. if you leave it till a year left, all the power moves to the player and the buying club.
comment by Robbing_Hoody - Part of FSG's black flag operation (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
I've said this on another thread but I feel that thinking a group of business men will throw away £15,000,000 or so on a principle is rather naive.
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If De Gea stays and plays for us then we haven't thrown away anything. And I really can't see De Gea not playing if he is still here when the window shuts.
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posted on 14/8/15
He's not letting himself down, letting himself down would be publicly courting RM, or playing poorly and letting goals in.
He will play once the dust has settled (when the window shuts) and win us countless points this season - which will be more valuable to us than the paltry £20m that RM are offering.
posted on 14/8/15
Money isn't helpful to United. Whether it's £35M or £15M, it isn't going to make a difference to us.
Having De Gea is helpful to Manchester United, and us being bullied into selling him just to get SOMETHING for him, rather than keeping him, using him after the window shuts and then bringing in another goalkeeper in January to replace him and complete with Romero long term makes Manchester United look naïve and weak.
Ultimately, the reason for De Gea moving to Madrid is to go back home and still have the best possible chance of winning champions leagues and league titles and other trophies. He's a kid from Madrid who gre up dreaming of winning La Liga, not the PL. It's about nothing else.
Bottom line, selling De Gea for less than we think he's worth and deem appropriate when we're a club that could psis away £50M on prawn sandwiches and Wayne Rooney valentines day masks if we felt like it and it not be even close to any kind of issue financially, makes us look complete and total fools.
No sale.
posted on 14/8/15
Real Madrid have got into his head and told him to make himself unavailable for selection.
United are being very unreasonable with their asking price (and Ramos in the deal). If De Gea had more than a year left then maybe you can understand.
There is no value in keeping an unhappy player while also losing out on £20m. Van Gaal said that his performances in pre season indicated that he didn't want to be there anymore.
posted on 14/8/15
this is something any club would like to avoid at the start
of a new season,thank god we got the sterling saga over before the season kicked off.
posted on 14/8/15
comment by we are liverpool fc (U13373)
posted 15 seconds ago
this is something any club would like to avoid at the start
of a new season,thank god we got the sterling saga over before the season kicked off.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But it started in January
posted on 14/8/15
>>He's not letting himself down, letting himself down would be publicly courting RM, or playing poorly and letting goals in.
excuse me? hes not wanting to play for a club he's under contract to because of his "state of mind"?? how on earth is this not letting us down? why do people claim hes being the ultimate professional?? the only difference between him and Di Maria is that hes turned up for training IMO. i'm surprised at peoples reaction to this.
Compare this to a legend like Evra. He wanted to move on but still signed a contract and actually left only weeks later!
posted on 14/8/15
^ and for the record, this isn't up for debate really, except by people who don't see the big picture.
The RIGHT thing to do, is to set our fee, and ignore anything beneath it. Then deal with any club issues regarding our players internally and professionally. F what the press and fans want to get themselves in a flap over out of a lack of understanding. We're Manchester United, kings of the world! We do what we want.
posted on 14/8/15
We've now put ourselves in a position where we cant sell him now.
Should have been sold in June if he is to leave.
Keep him, play him get top 4 again and then buy a top class replacement early next summer. Lloris for me.
posted on 14/8/15
i know i'm in a minority in this opinion but i think we should sell De Gea.
-----------
I don't think anyone is in the minority when it comes to selling de Gea. In fact, everyone is happy with him leaving, which is why he got a standing ovation when he was taken off in the last home game.
It's simply ensuring we get a decent fee. For me, £15m is what we should get considering his contract is about to expire. That is nothing for a Goalkeeper Real will have for at least 10 years.
The fact they can't even bother to bid knowing his transfer is inevitable, is completely a lack of respect to us as a club. We'd rather keep him, ensure top 4, ensure we have an entire season to find an adequate replacement then stick someone we all don't trust in goal.
posted on 14/8/15
A lot of people are using Ronaldo as an example and saying let him stay. Ronaldo had huge respect for SAF and was part of a winning team. That's why he stayed and keep up his performance standards.
Not sure if De Gea has that sort of mindset
posted on 14/8/15
I would only sell De Gea this summer if I thought we had a suitable replacement. At the moment we don't have anyone in the squad who is hood enough or that LVG is prepared to play. So we have to keep him. If we can get Navas as part of the deal then I might be open to it.
posted on 14/8/15
comment by Robben #20 (U1145)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by we are liverpool fc (U13373)
posted 15 seconds ago
this is something any club would like to avoid at the start
of a new season,thank god we got the sterling saga over before the season kicked off.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But it started in January
----------------------------------------------------------------------
just to let you no it started last week pal you beat spurs we beat stoke
posted on 14/8/15
comment by we are liverpool fc (U13373)
posted 9 minutes ago
this is something any club would like to avoid at the start
of a new season,thank god we got the sterling saga over before the season kicked off.
--------------------
Was it a saga?
posted on 14/8/15
comment by HK Reine-Adelaide (U20000)
posted 27 seconds ago
A lot of people are using Ronaldo as an example and saying let him stay. Ronaldo had huge respect for SAF and was part of a winning team. That's why he stayed and keep up his performance standards.
Not sure if De Gea has that sort of mindset
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It doesn't matter if De Gea doesn't play another game for Manchester United, and we pay his wages up until the end of the season and let him go on a free with our well wishes.
Money is not the factor here. Let's say we pay De Gea £100,000 a week right now. And for arguments sake lets say he has exactly 52 weeks left on his contract.
That's a cost of £5.2M pounds to Manchester United. Lets say Madrid want to pay us a maximum of £20M for De Gea right now. That means that by not selling De Gea, we're losing £25.2M.
What the blue fruck does £25.2M matter to Manchester United!!!???
It's a complete irrelevance to us. Keep De Gea, offer his a really good new contract we're happy with and stick to it. If he'd still prefer to move home throughout the season, tell him we'll wish him all the luck in the world, except when he plays against us obviously and let him leave at the end of the season.
Get him playing for us again when we choose to play him, and at the same time use Romero and maybe a new January acquisition also if we decide to strengthen.
What kind or moron would think taking the money makes look strong exactly?
posted on 14/8/15
comment by Robben #20 (U1145)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by we are liverpool fc (U13373)
posted 15 seconds ago
this is something any club would like to avoid at the start
of a new season,thank god we got the sterling saga over before the season kicked off.
----------
But it started in January
*****
True and surely it must have contributed somehow to our poor end of season. However, We Are said it's good we got it done before the new season which is spot on. An unhappy player is a situation you don't want but it just drags on and on and could cost you more than 20m if the rest of the team becomes disturbed
posted on 14/8/15
Sincerely, I would like a legitimate answer to this from someone.
What does selling for less than we're happy with, and for an amount of money that is completely irrelevant to the club, have over keeping De Gea, letting have a free transfer at the end of the season, giving him a pat on the back and saying "Good luck Dave, we hope your decision works out for you. You're special."
He knows he can leave with the clubs blessing in the summer, but also knows there's an offer on the table for him to stay. He will accept he won't be playing every game this season because the club will look after it's own interests primarily, but that also means he will play a lot of games for Manchester United still because we believe he's the best goalkeeper in the world on his day.
posted on 14/8/15
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posted on 14/8/15
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by we are liverpool fc (U13373)
posted 9 minutes ago
this is something any club would like to avoid at the start
of a new season,thank god we got the sterling saga over before the season kicked off.
--------------------
Was it a saga?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
yes it was, but it ended well with 50mil and a bad apple/good player moved on
posted on 14/8/15
I've said this on another thread but I feel that thinking a group of business men will throw away £15,000,000 or so on a principle is rather naive.
posted on 14/8/15
£25 mil doesn't matter?!
posted on 14/8/15
It isn't a question of whether it will make us look strong. It is a question of whether keeping De Gea in the camp and the speculation that comes with it might unsettle the camp. Then weighing up whether the negative impact on the squad might cost us more than the value of looking strong. Are we cutting off our nose to spite our face?
posted on 14/8/15
comment by Robbing_Hoody - Part of FSG's black flag operation (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
I've said this on another thread but I feel that thinking a group of business men will throw away £15,000,000 or so on a principle is rather naive.
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Throw away £15m, how? He would be worth more than that to us, playing for 1 season...
posted on 14/8/15
Did Ronaldo sign a new contract in the summer of 2008 when we refused to sell him? I don't recall that, though I'm happy to be corrected. And he wasn't quite as silent as DDG in terms of his desire to leave - I remember him making a cheeky comment that he liked playing in white when wearing the Portugal away kit at the Euros and saying something in agreement with Blatter's "slavery" remark.
Anyway, I think the OP downplays the importance of posturing. If we want to establish ourselves in the marketplace as one of the big players, it doesn't help if we not only lose our best players to Real Madrid but allow them to dictate when they leave and for how much. If allowing ourselves to be pushed around to make a few million cements an impression that we are a second-tier club, that can impact our ability to recruit the best players and impact 'consumer' perceptions of us - which can adversely affect our competitiveness on the pitch and in the sponsorship market.
We should only sell to Real Madrid on our own terms, especially this late in the window.
posted on 14/8/15
>>He knows he can leave with the clubs blessing in the summer
eh? leaving on a free is "with the clubs blessing"???. Its uniteds fault for letting this drag on. As soon as it becomes clear he isnt signing we get him off the books. if you leave it till a year left, all the power moves to the player and the buying club.
posted on 14/8/15
comment by Robbing_Hoody - Part of FSG's black flag operation (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
I've said this on another thread but I feel that thinking a group of business men will throw away £15,000,000 or so on a principle is rather naive.
---------------------------
If De Gea stays and plays for us then we haven't thrown away anything. And I really can't see De Gea not playing if he is still here when the window shuts.
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