Ji, but in terms of the squads I don't think they are. On the pitch City are underperforming, they need less work in terms of recruitment to be the dominant force in England and challengers in the CL under his guidance.
And their style of play is closest to Pep's in the league.
I'm sure Pep could take any of last season's top four, add some players, and make them a force in the short term.
But City need a lot less work in terms of transfers and developing the style of play.
I know one of the City coaches who was at Utd until a couple of years ago. He is a big Utd fan but he moved to City as they are leagues apart from anyone in the premiership in terms of facilities, coaching , youth etc.
They just need Pep to attract the world's best players now they have the infrastructure sorted.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 45 minutes ago
I really feel Arsenal are favourites.
Wenger to go on the board.
Great stadium bags of money now Pep style team and the London factor.
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Perhaps you should pop down to Ladbrokes?
City 1-4
Chelsea 6-1
Utd 12-1
Arsenal 20-1
I can tell you're itching to use the words 'filthy rag' Paul. Just say it. One for the road.
Pep will be in Manchester. City are a massive project he will enjoy. United are the biggest club in the world. Both are options. Don't see him being foolish enough to go to chelsea where the players might just give up at any time to force him out.
I love Arabs insistence that if the papers have the same story it's been leaked by the club as though papers don't collude to give a story credibility or that agents don't spout BS etc etc
Pep wants to have a chance of winning the biggest trophies. It may well be that Chelsea and Utd. aren't even in the CL next season.
If he's only going to stay 3 seasons, he's really cutting his chances of glory if he joins a club not even in the CL.
The presence of soriano and bergestein, the strength of their squad, the fact Pep will want to hit the ground running as he doesn't hang around for long tells me City are favourites but I belive he will.end up at Chelsea.
I think most would prefer London to Manchester,they can provide all the funds he could want and I imagine he would love to do what Jose couldn't an win them a European cup.
comment by Reddevilsdouble- il just say it was a joke (U12215)
posted 14 seconds ago
The presence of soriano and bergestein, the strength of their squad, the fact Pep will want to hit the ground running as he doesn't hang around for long tells me City are favourites but I belive he will.end up at Chelsea.
I think most would prefer London to Manchester,they can provide all the funds he could want and I imagine he would love to do what Jose couldn't an win them a European cup.
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He wont go to chelsea whilst the likes of John Terry are there. He will know these people are too quick to just force the manager out.
comment by Reddevilsdouble- il just say it was a joke (U12215)
posted 8 minutes ago
I love Arabs insistence that if the papers have the same story it's been leaked by the club as though papers don't collude to give a story credibility or that agents don't spout BS etc etc
.............
This we agree on.
If we are briefing the media then they will quote who ever gave the briefing.
When do the media ever do that? They cite sources within the club.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
When do the media ever do that? They cite sources within the club.
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clubs, agents and players all use the media for their own purposes.
exactly Darren, some people just think the media are 100% BSing fans all the time.
comment by the blues (U3579)
posted 26 minutes ago
I can tell you're itching to use the words 'filthy rag' Paul. Just say it. One for the road.
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I prefer the more succinct "filthy rag baastard" to be honest
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
When do the media ever do that?
..................
When someone from the club actually talks to them.
I agree with Darren, I've never heard papers working together to release the same story?
Every paper will have their own sources and now and then clubs, players, agents etc will go directly to a paper or papers to get information they want out for whatever reason. Since Ferguson left I think there has been quite a bit of it from United.
When all the papers broke the Moyes story in April 2014, they didn't state who it came from directly. Like always, they say it comes from a high source within the club.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 26 seconds ago
I agree with Darren, I've never heard papers working together to release the same story?
............
Really? I regularly see one media outlet quote another as the source to a story.
Robb linked one only yesterday.
That isn't papers working together though is it?
That's one paper having a source and using it to write an article and another paper using that paper as the source of the story.
That's not the same as being briefed.
Fergie's retirement is a prime example. They didn't quite anyone.
Just because someone hasn't been quoted doesn't mean they've not received info from, or been briefed by, the club.
This is the difficulty with analysing the media, though.
No quotes doesn't mean it's bullshiiiiit.
But VC has a big issue understanding this basic premise.
Would love to read a media studies essay by VC.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 26 seconds ago
I agree with Darren, I've never heard papers working together to release the same story?
............
Really? I regularly see one media outlet quote another as the source to a story.
Robb linked one only yesterday.
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That's not the same thing as direct and intentional cross-party media collusion.
Remember that the primary role of the print press is to sell audiences (the product) to other businesses (the market). Papers are corporations, or parts of larger conglomerates (including the Guardian, which operates under the auspices of the Scott Trust Ltd, but is actually owned by the Guardian Media Group, which is comprised of elite interests from the worlds of banking, insurance, advertising, venture investment firms and so on) and as thus are driven to maximise profits like any other large corporation.
So the idea that competing newspapers would actively collude with one another, rather than try and get the scoop that sells copies and improves readerships/web hits is totally counter intuitive to the institutional and business model on which they are run.
There's good work on this incidentally and it goes a long long way to explaining corporate media performance on serious issues (of which football is not one of them!).
It depends if you are talking about the cut and paste media really.
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posted on 6/1/16
Ji, but in terms of the squads I don't think they are. On the pitch City are underperforming, they need less work in terms of recruitment to be the dominant force in England and challengers in the CL under his guidance.
And their style of play is closest to Pep's in the league.
I'm sure Pep could take any of last season's top four, add some players, and make them a force in the short term.
But City need a lot less work in terms of transfers and developing the style of play.
posted on 6/1/16
I know one of the City coaches who was at Utd until a couple of years ago. He is a big Utd fan but he moved to City as they are leagues apart from anyone in the premiership in terms of facilities, coaching , youth etc.
They just need Pep to attract the world's best players now they have the infrastructure sorted.
posted on 6/1/16
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 45 minutes ago
I really feel Arsenal are favourites.
Wenger to go on the board.
Great stadium bags of money now Pep style team and the London factor.
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Perhaps you should pop down to Ladbrokes?
City 1-4
Chelsea 6-1
Utd 12-1
Arsenal 20-1
posted on 6/1/16
I can tell you're itching to use the words 'filthy rag' Paul. Just say it. One for the road.
posted on 6/1/16
Pep will be in Manchester. City are a massive project he will enjoy. United are the biggest club in the world. Both are options. Don't see him being foolish enough to go to chelsea where the players might just give up at any time to force him out.
posted on 6/1/16
I love Arabs insistence that if the papers have the same story it's been leaked by the club as though papers don't collude to give a story credibility or that agents don't spout BS etc etc
posted on 6/1/16
Pep wants to have a chance of winning the biggest trophies. It may well be that Chelsea and Utd. aren't even in the CL next season.
If he's only going to stay 3 seasons, he's really cutting his chances of glory if he joins a club not even in the CL.
posted on 6/1/16
The presence of soriano and bergestein, the strength of their squad, the fact Pep will want to hit the ground running as he doesn't hang around for long tells me City are favourites but I belive he will.end up at Chelsea.
I think most would prefer London to Manchester,they can provide all the funds he could want and I imagine he would love to do what Jose couldn't an win them a European cup.
posted on 6/1/16
comment by Reddevilsdouble- il just say it was a joke (U12215)
posted 14 seconds ago
The presence of soriano and bergestein, the strength of their squad, the fact Pep will want to hit the ground running as he doesn't hang around for long tells me City are favourites but I belive he will.end up at Chelsea.
I think most would prefer London to Manchester,they can provide all the funds he could want and I imagine he would love to do what Jose couldn't an win them a European cup.
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He wont go to chelsea whilst the likes of John Terry are there. He will know these people are too quick to just force the manager out.
posted on 6/1/16
comment by Reddevilsdouble- il just say it was a joke (U12215)
posted 8 minutes ago
I love Arabs insistence that if the papers have the same story it's been leaked by the club as though papers don't collude to give a story credibility or that agents don't spout BS etc etc
.............
This we agree on.
If we are briefing the media then they will quote who ever gave the briefing.
posted on 6/1/16
When do the media ever do that? They cite sources within the club.
posted on 6/1/16
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
When do the media ever do that? They cite sources within the club.
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clubs, agents and players all use the media for their own purposes.
posted on 6/1/16
exactly Darren, some people just think the media are 100% BSing fans all the time.
posted on 6/1/16
comment by the blues (U3579)
posted 26 minutes ago
I can tell you're itching to use the words 'filthy rag' Paul. Just say it. One for the road.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I prefer the more succinct "filthy rag baastard" to be honest
posted on 6/1/16
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
When do the media ever do that?
..................
When someone from the club actually talks to them.
posted on 6/1/16
I agree with Darren, I've never heard papers working together to release the same story?
Every paper will have their own sources and now and then clubs, players, agents etc will go directly to a paper or papers to get information they want out for whatever reason. Since Ferguson left I think there has been quite a bit of it from United.
posted on 6/1/16
When all the papers broke the Moyes story in April 2014, they didn't state who it came from directly. Like always, they say it comes from a high source within the club.
posted on 6/1/16
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 26 seconds ago
I agree with Darren, I've never heard papers working together to release the same story?
............
Really? I regularly see one media outlet quote another as the source to a story.
Robb linked one only yesterday.
posted on 6/1/16
That isn't papers working together though is it?
That's one paper having a source and using it to write an article and another paper using that paper as the source of the story.
posted on 6/1/16
That's not the same as being briefed.
Fergie's retirement is a prime example. They didn't quite anyone.
Just because someone hasn't been quoted doesn't mean they've not received info from, or been briefed by, the club.
This is the difficulty with analysing the media, though.
No quotes doesn't mean it's bullshiiiiit.
posted on 6/1/16
But VC has a big issue understanding this basic premise.
posted on 6/1/16
Would love to read a media studies essay by VC.
posted on 6/1/16
That would be fun.
posted on 6/1/16
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 26 seconds ago
I agree with Darren, I've never heard papers working together to release the same story?
............
Really? I regularly see one media outlet quote another as the source to a story.
Robb linked one only yesterday.
------------------------------------
That's not the same thing as direct and intentional cross-party media collusion.
Remember that the primary role of the print press is to sell audiences (the product) to other businesses (the market). Papers are corporations, or parts of larger conglomerates (including the Guardian, which operates under the auspices of the Scott Trust Ltd, but is actually owned by the Guardian Media Group, which is comprised of elite interests from the worlds of banking, insurance, advertising, venture investment firms and so on) and as thus are driven to maximise profits like any other large corporation.
So the idea that competing newspapers would actively collude with one another, rather than try and get the scoop that sells copies and improves readerships/web hits is totally counter intuitive to the institutional and business model on which they are run.
There's good work on this incidentally and it goes a long long way to explaining corporate media performance on serious issues (of which football is not one of them!).
posted on 6/1/16
It depends if you are talking about the cut and paste media really.
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