comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
You've got the fourth best conversion rate in the league so id be interested to know by what comparable you think you've been unlucky with that?
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comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 2 minutes ago
I have to disagree an Rashford. I think that sending Wilson on loan and promoting Rashford to the bench at a time we were short of striking options shows that he viewed Rashford as a better talent. Therefore he was very aware of him.
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He took a lot of criticism on the subject of Wilson on here as well yet seemingly nobody has put their hands up to admit their mistake with that one.
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I was stunned that he let Wilson go on loan, as we were right in the middle of an injury crisis up front. Pretty much everyone on here was baffled. But it seems there was a method to the madness.
"But it seems there was a method to the madness."
No it doesn't because there were 17 games from the point Wilson went on loan and Rashford made his first appearance. Had Keane not got injured who knows if we would have seen Rashford?
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 5 minutes ago
"But it seems there was a method to the madness."
No it doesn't because there were 17 games from the point Wilson went on loan and Rashford made his first appearance. Had Keane not got injured who knows if we would have seen Rashford?
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Exactly. People always seem to forget about the Keane element of all this.
Januzai was another stick that was wrongly used on lvg and nobody held their hands up admitting they were wrong in that instance
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 15 minutes ago
I have to disagree an Rashford. I think that sending Wilson on loan and promoting Rashford to the bench at a time we were short of striking options shows that he viewed Rashford as a better talent. Therefore he was very aware of him.
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He took a lot of criticism on the subject of Wilson on here as well yet seemingly nobody has put their hands up to admit their mistake with that one.
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What mistake was that?
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
You've got the fourth best conversion rate in the league so id be interested to know by what comparable you think you've been unlucky with that?
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Melton, I'll get Hafi to give you some stats.
Every game we have played this season, we have fluffed a gilt edge chance
We are so unlucky
The overwhelming mistake was going into the season massively unprepared.
We have scored 39 goals in 32 games and that will likely cost us our absolute minimum target.
The youth players should have been the added bonus rather than the ones we relied on at the business end of the season.
comment by Robb - Yes way, Jose (U20351)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 15 minutes ago
I have to disagree an Rashford. I think that sending Wilson on loan and promoting Rashford to the bench at a time we were short of striking options shows that he viewed Rashford as a better talent. Therefore he was very aware of him.
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He took a lot of criticism on the subject of Wilson on here as well yet seemingly nobody has put their hands up to admit their mistake with that one.
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What mistake was that?
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Don't you know? I mean you were one of the most critical
"Every game we have played this season, we have fluffed a gilt edge chance"
I'd say no more or less than most clubs though. It happens to all clubs, you are just far more likely to react to your own misses more than other sides.
We have scored 39 goals in 32 games and that will likely cost us our absolute minimum target.
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We could still finish in the top 3, a 1 goal win still gives you the same points as a 10 nil win
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 minutes ago
"But it seems there was a method to the madness."
No it doesn't because there were 17 games from the point Wilson went on loan and Rashford made his first appearance. Had Keane not got injured who knows if we would have seen Rashford?
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I'd say that his willingness to send Wilson on loan whilst Keane was unavailable demonstrates that he has belief in Rashford. Players returned from injury and he didn't get a sniff of first team action other than 2 appearances on the bench.
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 6 minutes ago
We have scored 39 goals in 32 games and that will likely cost us our absolute minimum target.
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We could still finish in the top 3, a 1 goal win still gives you the same points as a 10 nil win
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haha, okay bud, sure
I'd say that his willingness to send Wilson on loan whilst Keane was unavailable demonstrates that he has belief in Rashford.
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If he believed in Rashford so much why did he bring Keane back from loan?
comment by Robb - Yes way, Jose (U20351)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 6 minutes ago
We have scored 39 goals in 32 games and that will likely cost us our absolute minimum target.
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We could still finish in the top 3, a 1 goal win still gives you the same points as a 10 nil win
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haha, okay bud, sure
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I'm confused robbie, you make a statement that suggests we are likely to do something and I make a statement that we are likely to do something.
Yet you have a problem with my statement.
Why is that?
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Yes way, Jose (U20351)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 6 minutes ago
We have scored 39 goals in 32 games and that will likely cost us our absolute minimum target.
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We could still finish in the top 3, a 1 goal win still gives you the same points as a 10 nil win
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haha, okay bud, sure
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I'm confused robbie, you make a statement that suggests we are likely to do something and I make a statement that we are likely to do something.
Yet you have a problem with my statement.
Why is that?
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Because your statement doesn't take into account reality and empirical evidence.
The easy option against Midgetland would have been to move Depay up front and play Periera. I guarantee that's what most managers would have done.
The decision to play Rashford seemed bizarre at the time to me, in what was a very important game.
Of course he deserves some credit.
Rashford was 8th in the pecking order for strikers, he lucked out with that one, that wasn't design.
The youngsters playing in defence is a different matter as we were short of numbers and have injury prone players there.
Though Young and Valencia getting injured, meaning they couldn't play at full back ahead of the youngsters, certainly played its part in these players getting a look in.
Elvis
Yes but like I said, does that also mean he had belief in players such as Love, Riley, Poole, Weir and Henderson as they all got places on the bench too. I'd say it's more likely that LVG philosophy is happy to rely on youth when needed rather than specifically having youth in mind to bring in.
Up until Wilson went out on loan he simply wasn't getting games for us and everyone wanted to see him at least go out on loan and get much needed game time. You could equally suggest that LVG knew game time was essential for Wilson so made the decision to loan him out knowing that whoever takes his place would liely not play much as Wilson hadn't up until that point either.
I'm happy to give LVG some credit for his desire to trust kids but just not as much as you because IMO it was not his primary objective yet relying on youth and selling many squad players has had a direct effect on us not being able to reach our goals this season.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 9 seconds ago
Elvis
Yes but like I said, does that also mean he had belief in players such as Love, Riley, Poole, Weir and Henderson as they all got places on the bench too. I'd say it's more likely that LVG philosophy is happy to rely on youth when needed rather than specifically having youth in mind to bring in.
Up until Wilson went out on loan he simply wasn't getting games for us and everyone wanted to see him at least go out on loan and get much needed game time. You could equally suggest that LVG knew game time was essential for Wilson so made the decision to loan him out knowing that whoever takes his place would liely not play much as Wilson hadn't up until that point either.
I'm happy to give LVG some credit for his desire to trust kids but just not as much as you because IMO it was not his primary objective yet relying on youth and selling many squad players has had a direct effect on us not being able to reach our goals this season.
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This. I don't know why people have to be so one way or the other. It's a bit of both.
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
You've got the fourth best conversion rate in the league so id be interested to know by what comparable you think you've been unlucky with that?
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Melton, I'll get Hafi to give you some stats.
Every game we have played this season, we have fluffed a gilt edge chance
We are so unlucky
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That's perception though Mudd, the stats are that you don't create as many chances that others do. Yes, you miss a few, but others miss more and could say they are even more unlucky.
Ultimately, it's not bad luck though, it's bad finishing. I wouldn't argue Bony has been unlucky for example...
bloodred
Not really for a manager like LVG though who will work on tactics all week leading up to a match. Moving Memphis up top would have meant changing the tactics a lot to accomodate the loss of Memphis on the wing with no wingers on the bench that evening. Replacing Martial for Rashford was a like for like swap and meant little change to tactics.
LVG is methodical in his thinking, he doesn't really make rash decisions. Even the decision to play Young up top was based on him experimenting with him in that role for the U21 before.
he doesn't really make rash decisions
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posted on 15/4/16
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
You've got the fourth best conversion rate in the league so id be interested to know by what comparable you think you've been unlucky with that?
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Please address your question to Hafi. He'll be happy yo assist.
posted on 15/4/16
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 2 minutes ago
I have to disagree an Rashford. I think that sending Wilson on loan and promoting Rashford to the bench at a time we were short of striking options shows that he viewed Rashford as a better talent. Therefore he was very aware of him.
.............................
He took a lot of criticism on the subject of Wilson on here as well yet seemingly nobody has put their hands up to admit their mistake with that one.
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I was stunned that he let Wilson go on loan, as we were right in the middle of an injury crisis up front. Pretty much everyone on here was baffled. But it seems there was a method to the madness.
posted on 15/4/16
"But it seems there was a method to the madness."
No it doesn't because there were 17 games from the point Wilson went on loan and Rashford made his first appearance. Had Keane not got injured who knows if we would have seen Rashford?
posted on 15/4/16
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 5 minutes ago
"But it seems there was a method to the madness."
No it doesn't because there were 17 games from the point Wilson went on loan and Rashford made his first appearance. Had Keane not got injured who knows if we would have seen Rashford?
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Exactly. People always seem to forget about the Keane element of all this.
posted on 15/4/16
Januzai was another stick that was wrongly used on lvg and nobody held their hands up admitting they were wrong in that instance
posted on 15/4/16
And Nick Powell.
posted on 15/4/16
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 15 minutes ago
I have to disagree an Rashford. I think that sending Wilson on loan and promoting Rashford to the bench at a time we were short of striking options shows that he viewed Rashford as a better talent. Therefore he was very aware of him.
.............................
He took a lot of criticism on the subject of Wilson on here as well yet seemingly nobody has put their hands up to admit their mistake with that one.
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What mistake was that?
posted on 15/4/16
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
You've got the fourth best conversion rate in the league so id be interested to know by what comparable you think you've been unlucky with that?
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Melton, I'll get Hafi to give you some stats.
Every game we have played this season, we have fluffed a gilt edge chance
We are so unlucky
posted on 15/4/16
The overwhelming mistake was going into the season massively unprepared.
We have scored 39 goals in 32 games and that will likely cost us our absolute minimum target.
The youth players should have been the added bonus rather than the ones we relied on at the business end of the season.
posted on 15/4/16
comment by Robb - Yes way, Jose (U20351)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 15 minutes ago
I have to disagree an Rashford. I think that sending Wilson on loan and promoting Rashford to the bench at a time we were short of striking options shows that he viewed Rashford as a better talent. Therefore he was very aware of him.
.............................
He took a lot of criticism on the subject of Wilson on here as well yet seemingly nobody has put their hands up to admit their mistake with that one.
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What mistake was that?
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Don't you know? I mean you were one of the most critical
posted on 15/4/16
"Every game we have played this season, we have fluffed a gilt edge chance"
I'd say no more or less than most clubs though. It happens to all clubs, you are just far more likely to react to your own misses more than other sides.
posted on 15/4/16
We have scored 39 goals in 32 games and that will likely cost us our absolute minimum target.
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We could still finish in the top 3, a 1 goal win still gives you the same points as a 10 nil win
posted on 15/4/16
Fair play Elvis
posted on 15/4/16
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 minutes ago
"But it seems there was a method to the madness."
No it doesn't because there were 17 games from the point Wilson went on loan and Rashford made his first appearance. Had Keane not got injured who knows if we would have seen Rashford?
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I'd say that his willingness to send Wilson on loan whilst Keane was unavailable demonstrates that he has belief in Rashford. Players returned from injury and he didn't get a sniff of first team action other than 2 appearances on the bench.
posted on 15/4/16
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 6 minutes ago
We have scored 39 goals in 32 games and that will likely cost us our absolute minimum target.
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We could still finish in the top 3, a 1 goal win still gives you the same points as a 10 nil win
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haha, okay bud, sure
posted on 15/4/16
I'd say that his willingness to send Wilson on loan whilst Keane was unavailable demonstrates that he has belief in Rashford.
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If he believed in Rashford so much why did he bring Keane back from loan?
posted on 15/4/16
comment by Robb - Yes way, Jose (U20351)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 6 minutes ago
We have scored 39 goals in 32 games and that will likely cost us our absolute minimum target.
=============
We could still finish in the top 3, a 1 goal win still gives you the same points as a 10 nil win
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haha, okay bud, sure
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I'm confused robbie, you make a statement that suggests we are likely to do something and I make a statement that we are likely to do something.
Yet you have a problem with my statement.
Why is that?
posted on 15/4/16
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Yes way, Jose (U20351)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 6 minutes ago
We have scored 39 goals in 32 games and that will likely cost us our absolute minimum target.
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We could still finish in the top 3, a 1 goal win still gives you the same points as a 10 nil win
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haha, okay bud, sure
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I'm confused robbie, you make a statement that suggests we are likely to do something and I make a statement that we are likely to do something.
Yet you have a problem with my statement.
Why is that?
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Because your statement doesn't take into account reality and empirical evidence.
posted on 15/4/16
The easy option against Midgetland would have been to move Depay up front and play Periera. I guarantee that's what most managers would have done.
The decision to play Rashford seemed bizarre at the time to me, in what was a very important game.
Of course he deserves some credit.
posted on 15/4/16
Rashford was 8th in the pecking order for strikers, he lucked out with that one, that wasn't design.
The youngsters playing in defence is a different matter as we were short of numbers and have injury prone players there.
Though Young and Valencia getting injured, meaning they couldn't play at full back ahead of the youngsters, certainly played its part in these players getting a look in.
posted on 15/4/16
Elvis
Yes but like I said, does that also mean he had belief in players such as Love, Riley, Poole, Weir and Henderson as they all got places on the bench too. I'd say it's more likely that LVG philosophy is happy to rely on youth when needed rather than specifically having youth in mind to bring in.
Up until Wilson went out on loan he simply wasn't getting games for us and everyone wanted to see him at least go out on loan and get much needed game time. You could equally suggest that LVG knew game time was essential for Wilson so made the decision to loan him out knowing that whoever takes his place would liely not play much as Wilson hadn't up until that point either.
I'm happy to give LVG some credit for his desire to trust kids but just not as much as you because IMO it was not his primary objective yet relying on youth and selling many squad players has had a direct effect on us not being able to reach our goals this season.
posted on 15/4/16
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 9 seconds ago
Elvis
Yes but like I said, does that also mean he had belief in players such as Love, Riley, Poole, Weir and Henderson as they all got places on the bench too. I'd say it's more likely that LVG philosophy is happy to rely on youth when needed rather than specifically having youth in mind to bring in.
Up until Wilson went out on loan he simply wasn't getting games for us and everyone wanted to see him at least go out on loan and get much needed game time. You could equally suggest that LVG knew game time was essential for Wilson so made the decision to loan him out knowing that whoever takes his place would liely not play much as Wilson hadn't up until that point either.
I'm happy to give LVG some credit for his desire to trust kids but just not as much as you because IMO it was not his primary objective yet relying on youth and selling many squad players has had a direct effect on us not being able to reach our goals this season.
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This. I don't know why people have to be so one way or the other. It's a bit of both.
posted on 15/4/16
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
You've got the fourth best conversion rate in the league so id be interested to know by what comparable you think you've been unlucky with that?
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Melton, I'll get Hafi to give you some stats.
Every game we have played this season, we have fluffed a gilt edge chance
We are so unlucky
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That's perception though Mudd, the stats are that you don't create as many chances that others do. Yes, you miss a few, but others miss more and could say they are even more unlucky.
Ultimately, it's not bad luck though, it's bad finishing. I wouldn't argue Bony has been unlucky for example...
posted on 15/4/16
bloodred
Not really for a manager like LVG though who will work on tactics all week leading up to a match. Moving Memphis up top would have meant changing the tactics a lot to accomodate the loss of Memphis on the wing with no wingers on the bench that evening. Replacing Martial for Rashford was a like for like swap and meant little change to tactics.
LVG is methodical in his thinking, he doesn't really make rash decisions. Even the decision to play Young up top was based on him experimenting with him in that role for the U21 before.
posted on 15/4/16
he doesn't really make rash decisions
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