comment by really? (U17250)
posted 9 minutes ago
His mind was made up (to leave) long before this thread was penned, and no amount of debate or information (to counter opinion) will change that**
there is no real 'information' though, it's just people's opinions being put across in quite an aggressive way, if you are undecided and reading this thread don't believe the hype on the EU
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While I believe remaining in the EU is critical (and have done long before the referendum was mooted, I am willing to take on board opposing arguments.
J99 has made a few points in regard to bureaucracy I agree with. However the overriding factor for me is that the leave campaign have not been able to formulate any kind of exit strategy/roadmap, and that ultimately the risk of leaving far outweighs that of remaining.
There are far too many "we don't know's" in which to make an informed decision (to leave).
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by really? (U17250)
posted 23 seconds ago
but the statement of most terrorist attacks are homegrown is BS
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I assume you have proof to back up this statement?
Please give us a few examples of terrorist attacks in Britain that were NOT perpetrated by British citizens (radicalized or not). I'm sure you must know of loads for you to have made such a bold statement
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who's talking about Britain?
I didn't make the statement, I said it was BS dear me......
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You said 'but the statement of most terrorist attacks are homegrown is BS' which says that you believe most terrorist attacks are by foreigners
I asked you for examples of terrorist attacks in Britain that were NOT perpetrated by British citizens (radicalized or not). Which was asking for examples of NON-homegrown attacks (attacks by foreigners on British soil) to back up your statement about homegrown terrorist attacks being BS.
Are you still following? Good.
Are terrorist attacks in Britain carried out by British citizens not classed as homegrown now?
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comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by really? (U17250)
posted 9 minutes ago
His mind was made up (to leave) long before this thread was penned, and no amount of debate or information (to counter opinion) will change that**
there is no real 'information' though, it's just people's opinions being put across in quite an aggressive way, if you are undecided and reading this thread don't believe the hype on the EU
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While I believe remaining in the EU is critical (and have done long before the referendum was mooted, I am willing to take on board opposing arguments.
J99 has made a few points in regard to bureaucracy I agree with. However the overriding factor for me is that the leave campaign have not been able to formulate any kind of exit strategy/roadmap, and that ultimately the risk of leaving far outweighs that of remaining.
There are far too many "we don't know's" in which to make an informed decision (to leave).
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The thing is there is risk involved on both sides. The growth rate in EU is zero and the ECB interest rates are negative! Think about it for a minute. You have to pay money to the banks for them to hold your money!
The Euro crisis is ongoing and really the only to fix some of it is through political union. We don't have the Euro so there will come a point when we will again have to decide what we want as a country. But till then a lot of countries including us are going to have spend a lot of money with continuous bail outs if we stay.
The remain campaign talk about the here and now as if EU is not changing day by day. All of this discussion here maybe moot again even if do stay when Italy requires a bail out or even France does!
comment by Alasnomoresmithandjones (long live Israel) (U15157)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Alasnomoresmithandjones (long live Israel) (U15157)
posted 5 minutes ago
The West can't win can they? They go into Iraq and get rid of Saddam, the guy responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of his own people,and then they get grief for not doing more to get rid of Assad.
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The west get grief for causing more death and destruction in Iraq then Saddam could have dreamed of.
If you think we went in for Saddam you are deluded, it's accepted now that our government lied about WMD's for oil.
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What I've leant from reading your posts is that you don't seem to care about the Kurds,You don't care about Yazidis, you don't seem to be that bothered by the death of Muslims by the hands of fellow Muslim. You just want an excuse to bi tch about a country that gave your family a better life, you Sir are an ungrateful fecker. Why don't you put you degree to good use and feck off to Iraq and help the people you care for so much.
You don't even know how many people Saddam killed, you've just decided to pick and chose what crap you find on the net that suits your argument.
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Hahaha
That's brilliant, how did you come to the conclusion I didn't care about Yazidis and Kurds?
I said two things about the Yazidis.
1) That it's a sign you don't care about Muslim lives when you talk about a minority being killed by Daesh but fail to talk about the vast majority being killed by Daesh, the Muslims.
2) That you cared about Yazidi lives when Daesh kill them but ignore there suffering when our bombs killed them during the Iraq war.
How this equates to me not caring about then only God know.
I've been on here arguing there case as Iraqis and you've been defending our governments crimes.
I think it's fair to say (considering they are Iraqis) you don't care about them, especially when it's our queens depleted uranium tipped missles which are disfiguring and annihilating them.
I didn't say I didn't care about Kurds either, they are Iraqi as well, they also live in Iran (another country on our hit list) some of them kill civilians, they same militarised faction fighting Daesh.
You won't recognise that.
Again how this equates to me not caring about them only God knows.
The figures of death tolls are taken from independent sources, anybody with half a brain and Google can figure out we killed more Iraqi then Saddam.
My background is in video journalism, so I can make you look stupid with facts all day. Please carry on.
comment by LQ no kato not now (U6305)
posted 13 minutes ago
Can you show me governments that care about our lives over here?
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Well that wasn't the point I was replying to, you just moved the goal posts.
Really? Thinks the UK and the US are friends, I showed him evidence that they don't care about us.
That was the point, then you intervened with a lie and now we are here.
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Alasnomoresmithandjones (long live Israel) (U15157)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Alasnomoresmithandjones (long live Israel) (U15157)
posted 5 minutes ago
The West can't win can they? They go into Iraq and get rid of Saddam, the guy responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of his own people,and then they get grief for not doing more to get rid of Assad.
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The west get grief for causing more death and destruction in Iraq then Saddam could have dreamed of.
If you think we went in for Saddam you are deluded, it's accepted now that our government lied about WMD's for oil.
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What I've leant from reading your posts is that you don't seem to care about the Kurds,You don't care about Yazidis, you don't seem to be that bothered by the death of Muslims by the hands of fellow Muslim. You just want an excuse to bi tch about a country that gave your family a better life, you Sir are an ungrateful fecker. Why don't you put you degree to good use and feck off to Iraq and help the people you care for so much.
You don't even know how many people Saddam killed, you've just decided to pick and chose what crap you find on the net that suits your argument.
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Hahaha
That's brilliant, how did you come to the conclusion I didn't care about Yazidis and Kurds?
I said two things about the Yazidis.
1) That it's a sign you don't care about Muslim lives when you talk about a minority being killed by Daesh but fail to talk about the vast majority being killed by Daesh, the Muslims.
2) That you cared about Yazidi lives when Daesh kill them but ignore there suffering when our bombs killed them during the Iraq war.
How this equates to me not caring about then only God know.
I've been on here arguing there case as Iraqis and you've been defending our governments crimes.
I think it's fair to say (considering they are Iraqis) you don't care about them, especially when it's our queens depleted uranium tipped missles which are disfiguring and annihilating them.
I didn't say I didn't care about Kurds either, they are Iraqi as well, they also live in Iran (another country on our hit list) some of them kill civilians, they same militarised faction fighting Daesh.
You won't recognise that.
Again how this equates to me not caring about them only God knows.
The figures of death tolls are taken from independent sources, anybody with half a brain and Google can figure out we killed more Iraqi then Saddam.
My background is in video journalism, so I can make you look stupid with facts all day. Please carry on.
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You're delusional, unemployed with a wānk degree admit it?
Putting aside the economic debate (which I believe the remain campaign have won) there are far more (day to day) issues which will change if we leave.
We all enjoy our cheap European holidays, lower mobile phone roaming etc etc) which will be adversely affected.
Living in Northern Ireland it will also be harder for me to travel across the boarder, with the return of border controls if there is a Brexit an inevitability.
While I have little time for Martin Lewis he made a few goods points in his blog the other day:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/financial-expert-martin-lewis-will-vote-to-remain-in-eu-but-urges-voters-to-make-their-own-minds-up-a7067201.html
"Why don't you put you degree to good use and feck off to Iraq and help the people you care for so much."
Like I said early on in the thread when I got accused of being a hippy, I care about all people thats why I don't appear to be an undercover racist like you.
I don't care about borders, I care about people and I things like my own race being a minority in particular town don't keep me up at night.
If you weren't a bigot and if you truly believed skin colour doesn't matter you wouldn't either.
Thats why I'm voting IN, I hope loads of Polish, Romanians and Bosnians enter the country... a small bonus of this happening is knowing that you and your white supremacist mates will be balling your eyes out.
You're delusional, unemployed with a wānk degree admit it?
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Is that what you believe?
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comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 4 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Robben (U1145)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 6 minutes ago
Michael Moore demonstrates the benefits of socialism in his new documentary.
http://www.empireonline.com/movies/invade-next/review/
I still owe 12k in university loans, I could have studied in Slovenia for 3 years and come out debt free with a degree.
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You shouldn't have borrowed it if you were unable to promptly repay it / had a problem with owing money.
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Yeah I should have just worked in Asda instead.
I needed a degree in my area of work, if I could have dodged uni I would have.
Education should be a right for every citizen and it should be free!
The fact you can't see the benefits of free education scares me.
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It isnt free though is it.
A large majority of thode Asda workers you show disdain for would be among taxpayers not enjoying further education, but paying for you to do so
A person with a degree earns more than someone without, on average.
It is only right they are not subsidised by the less well off.
If they earn more they'll end up paying more tax into the system, probably more than it will cost to subsidise their education. Higher university fees make sure the poor stay poor if they can't afford to get a degree.
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comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by really? (U17250)
posted 9 minutes ago
His mind was made up (to leave) long before this thread was penned, and no amount of debate or information (to counter opinion) will change that**
there is no real 'information' though, it's just people's opinions being put across in quite an aggressive way, if you are undecided and reading this thread don't believe the hype on the EU
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While I believe remaining in the EU is critical (and have done long before the referendum was mooted, I am willing to take on board opposing arguments.
J99 has made a few points in regard to bureaucracy I agree with. However the overriding factor for me is that the leave campaign have not been able to formulate any kind of exit strategy/roadmap, and that ultimately the risk of leaving far outweighs that of remaining.
There are far too many "we don't know's" in which to make an informed decision (to leave).
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The thing is there is risk involved on both sides. The growth rate in EU is zero and the ECB interest rates are negative! Think about it for a minute. You have to pay money to the banks for them to hold your money!
The Euro crisis is ongoing and really the only to fix some of it is through political union. We don't have the Euro so there will come a point when we will again have to decide what we want as a country. But till then a lot of countries including us are going to have spend a lot of money with continuous bail outs if we stay.
The remain campaign talk about the here and now as if EU is not changing day by day. All of this discussion here maybe moot again even if do stay when Italy requires a bail out or even France does!
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Any future bail out would absolutely not require UK funds should we remain in. Only Eurozone countries will be liable in the case that the EU elects to bail out a member state in future. That is one of the changes that goes into EU law if we vote to stay.
Should the IMF decide to bail any European nation out, however, we'll still be hit for a nice four and a half percent or so of the damage.
But that would apply with any nation anywhere in the world.
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comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 4 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Robben (U1145)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 6 minutes ago
Michael Moore demonstrates the benefits of socialism in his new documentary.
http://www.empireonline.com/movies/invade-next/review/
I still owe 12k in university loans, I could have studied in Slovenia for 3 years and come out debt free with a degree.
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You shouldn't have borrowed it if you were unable to promptly repay it / had a problem with owing money.
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Yeah I should have just worked in Asda instead.
I needed a degree in my area of work, if I could have dodged uni I would have.
Education should be a right for every citizen and it should be free!
The fact you can't see the benefits of free education scares me.
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It isnt free though is it.
A large majority of thode Asda workers you show disdain for would be among taxpayers not enjoying further education, but paying for you to do so
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How did I show, disdain for Asda workers?
By saying it wasn't the peak of my ambition.
What teenager would aspire to work in Asda, are you that desperate to write something negative about me?
It's paid for with tax money but they are more then welcome to come over here and enjoy the NHS I pay for.
All part of the benefit of voting IN.
By the way KFC, I'm 36 and a father of 4. Whilst not a teenager,I'm not a geriatric either, there's a good chance I'll be alive to see what the results of this vote has on MY country. I'm voting Brexit because I worry what mass immigration will have on my kids. Green belt land will be swallowed up for housing. The landscape of Britain will be obliterated forever.
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 10 minutes ago
If they earn more they'll end up paying more tax into the system, probably more than it will cost to subsidise their education. Higher university fees make sure the poor stay poor if they can't afford to get a degree.
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The fact they are paying more tax is a result of them earning more money. If the tax they pay dwarfs the amount it costs for further education (not regular ducation which is or all) then their net pay will be even higher still
If you dont earn enough money you dont pay it back. If you are poor your whole life, your further education is free.
I honestly dont see a fairer way than that myself
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comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 4 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Robben (U1145)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 6 minutes ago
Michael Moore demonstrates the benefits of socialism in his new documentary.
http://www.empireonline.com/movies/invade-next/review/
I still owe 12k in university loans, I could have studied in Slovenia for 3 years and come out debt free with a degree.
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You shouldn't have borrowed it if you were unable to promptly repay it / had a problem with owing money.
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Yeah I should have just worked in Asda instead.
I needed a degree in my area of work, if I could have dodged uni I would have.
Education should be a right for every citizen and it should be free!
The fact you can't see the benefits of free education scares me.
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It isnt free though is it.
A large majority of thode Asda workers you show disdain for would be among taxpayers not enjoying further education, but paying for you to do so
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How did I show, disdain for Asda workers?
By saying it wasn't the peak of my ambition.
What teenager would aspire to work in Asda, are you that desperate to write something negative about me?
It's paid for with tax money but they are more then welcome to come over here and enjoy the NHS I pay for.
All part of the benefit of voting IN.
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Who are more than welcome to come over here and enjoy the NHS, Asda workers? I think you wil find they pay for it too
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comment by really? (U17250)
posted 9 minutes ago
His mind was made up (to leave) long before this thread was penned, and no amount of debate or information (to counter opinion) will change that**
there is no real 'information' though, it's just people's opinions being put across in quite an aggressive way, if you are undecided and reading this thread don't believe the hype on the EU
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While I believe remaining in the EU is critical (and have done long before the referendum was mooted, I am willing to take on board opposing arguments.
J99 has made a few points in regard to bureaucracy I agree with. However the overriding factor for me is that the leave campaign have not been able to formulate any kind of exit strategy/roadmap, and that ultimately the risk of leaving far outweighs that of remaining.
There are far too many "we don't know's" in which to make an informed decision (to leave).
posted on 7/6/16
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by really? (U17250)
posted 23 seconds ago
but the statement of most terrorist attacks are homegrown is BS
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I assume you have proof to back up this statement?
Please give us a few examples of terrorist attacks in Britain that were NOT perpetrated by British citizens (radicalized or not). I'm sure you must know of loads for you to have made such a bold statement
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who's talking about Britain?
I didn't make the statement, I said it was BS dear me......
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You said 'but the statement of most terrorist attacks are homegrown is BS' which says that you believe most terrorist attacks are by foreigners
I asked you for examples of terrorist attacks in Britain that were NOT perpetrated by British citizens (radicalized or not). Which was asking for examples of NON-homegrown attacks (attacks by foreigners on British soil) to back up your statement about homegrown terrorist attacks being BS.
Are you still following? Good.
Are terrorist attacks in Britain carried out by British citizens not classed as homegrown now?
posted on 7/6/16
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posted on 7/6/16
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posted on 7/6/16
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by really? (U17250)
posted 9 minutes ago
His mind was made up (to leave) long before this thread was penned, and no amount of debate or information (to counter opinion) will change that**
there is no real 'information' though, it's just people's opinions being put across in quite an aggressive way, if you are undecided and reading this thread don't believe the hype on the EU
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While I believe remaining in the EU is critical (and have done long before the referendum was mooted, I am willing to take on board opposing arguments.
J99 has made a few points in regard to bureaucracy I agree with. However the overriding factor for me is that the leave campaign have not been able to formulate any kind of exit strategy/roadmap, and that ultimately the risk of leaving far outweighs that of remaining.
There are far too many "we don't know's" in which to make an informed decision (to leave).
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The thing is there is risk involved on both sides. The growth rate in EU is zero and the ECB interest rates are negative! Think about it for a minute. You have to pay money to the banks for them to hold your money!
The Euro crisis is ongoing and really the only to fix some of it is through political union. We don't have the Euro so there will come a point when we will again have to decide what we want as a country. But till then a lot of countries including us are going to have spend a lot of money with continuous bail outs if we stay.
The remain campaign talk about the here and now as if EU is not changing day by day. All of this discussion here maybe moot again even if do stay when Italy requires a bail out or even France does!
posted on 7/6/16
comment by Alasnomoresmithandjones (long live Israel) (U15157)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Alasnomoresmithandjones (long live Israel) (U15157)
posted 5 minutes ago
The West can't win can they? They go into Iraq and get rid of Saddam, the guy responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of his own people,and then they get grief for not doing more to get rid of Assad.
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The west get grief for causing more death and destruction in Iraq then Saddam could have dreamed of.
If you think we went in for Saddam you are deluded, it's accepted now that our government lied about WMD's for oil.
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What I've leant from reading your posts is that you don't seem to care about the Kurds,You don't care about Yazidis, you don't seem to be that bothered by the death of Muslims by the hands of fellow Muslim. You just want an excuse to bi tch about a country that gave your family a better life, you Sir are an ungrateful fecker. Why don't you put you degree to good use and feck off to Iraq and help the people you care for so much.
You don't even know how many people Saddam killed, you've just decided to pick and chose what crap you find on the net that suits your argument.
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Hahaha
That's brilliant, how did you come to the conclusion I didn't care about Yazidis and Kurds?
I said two things about the Yazidis.
1) That it's a sign you don't care about Muslim lives when you talk about a minority being killed by Daesh but fail to talk about the vast majority being killed by Daesh, the Muslims.
2) That you cared about Yazidi lives when Daesh kill them but ignore there suffering when our bombs killed them during the Iraq war.
How this equates to me not caring about then only God know.
I've been on here arguing there case as Iraqis and you've been defending our governments crimes.
I think it's fair to say (considering they are Iraqis) you don't care about them, especially when it's our queens depleted uranium tipped missles which are disfiguring and annihilating them.
I didn't say I didn't care about Kurds either, they are Iraqi as well, they also live in Iran (another country on our hit list) some of them kill civilians, they same militarised faction fighting Daesh.
You won't recognise that.
Again how this equates to me not caring about them only God knows.
The figures of death tolls are taken from independent sources, anybody with half a brain and Google can figure out we killed more Iraqi then Saddam.
My background is in video journalism, so I can make you look stupid with facts all day. Please carry on.
posted on 7/6/16
comment by LQ no kato not now (U6305)
posted 13 minutes ago
Can you show me governments that care about our lives over here?
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Well that wasn't the point I was replying to, you just moved the goal posts.
Really? Thinks the UK and the US are friends, I showed him evidence that they don't care about us.
That was the point, then you intervened with a lie and now we are here.
posted on 7/6/16
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Alasnomoresmithandjones (long live Israel) (U15157)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Alasnomoresmithandjones (long live Israel) (U15157)
posted 5 minutes ago
The West can't win can they? They go into Iraq and get rid of Saddam, the guy responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of his own people,and then they get grief for not doing more to get rid of Assad.
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The west get grief for causing more death and destruction in Iraq then Saddam could have dreamed of.
If you think we went in for Saddam you are deluded, it's accepted now that our government lied about WMD's for oil.
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What I've leant from reading your posts is that you don't seem to care about the Kurds,You don't care about Yazidis, you don't seem to be that bothered by the death of Muslims by the hands of fellow Muslim. You just want an excuse to bi tch about a country that gave your family a better life, you Sir are an ungrateful fecker. Why don't you put you degree to good use and feck off to Iraq and help the people you care for so much.
You don't even know how many people Saddam killed, you've just decided to pick and chose what crap you find on the net that suits your argument.
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Hahaha
That's brilliant, how did you come to the conclusion I didn't care about Yazidis and Kurds?
I said two things about the Yazidis.
1) That it's a sign you don't care about Muslim lives when you talk about a minority being killed by Daesh but fail to talk about the vast majority being killed by Daesh, the Muslims.
2) That you cared about Yazidi lives when Daesh kill them but ignore there suffering when our bombs killed them during the Iraq war.
How this equates to me not caring about then only God know.
I've been on here arguing there case as Iraqis and you've been defending our governments crimes.
I think it's fair to say (considering they are Iraqis) you don't care about them, especially when it's our queens depleted uranium tipped missles which are disfiguring and annihilating them.
I didn't say I didn't care about Kurds either, they are Iraqi as well, they also live in Iran (another country on our hit list) some of them kill civilians, they same militarised faction fighting Daesh.
You won't recognise that.
Again how this equates to me not caring about them only God knows.
The figures of death tolls are taken from independent sources, anybody with half a brain and Google can figure out we killed more Iraqi then Saddam.
My background is in video journalism, so I can make you look stupid with facts all day. Please carry on.
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You're delusional, unemployed with a wānk degree admit it?
posted on 7/6/16
Putting aside the economic debate (which I believe the remain campaign have won) there are far more (day to day) issues which will change if we leave.
We all enjoy our cheap European holidays, lower mobile phone roaming etc etc) which will be adversely affected.
Living in Northern Ireland it will also be harder for me to travel across the boarder, with the return of border controls if there is a Brexit an inevitability.
While I have little time for Martin Lewis he made a few goods points in his blog the other day:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/financial-expert-martin-lewis-will-vote-to-remain-in-eu-but-urges-voters-to-make-their-own-minds-up-a7067201.html
posted on 7/6/16
"Why don't you put you degree to good use and feck off to Iraq and help the people you care for so much."
Like I said early on in the thread when I got accused of being a hippy, I care about all people thats why I don't appear to be an undercover racist like you.
I don't care about borders, I care about people and I things like my own race being a minority in particular town don't keep me up at night.
If you weren't a bigot and if you truly believed skin colour doesn't matter you wouldn't either.
Thats why I'm voting IN, I hope loads of Polish, Romanians and Bosnians enter the country... a small bonus of this happening is knowing that you and your white supremacist mates will be balling your eyes out.
posted on 7/6/16
You're delusional, unemployed with a wānk degree admit it?
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Is that what you believe?
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posted on 7/6/16
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 4 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Robben (U1145)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 6 minutes ago
Michael Moore demonstrates the benefits of socialism in his new documentary.
http://www.empireonline.com/movies/invade-next/review/
I still owe 12k in university loans, I could have studied in Slovenia for 3 years and come out debt free with a degree.
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You shouldn't have borrowed it if you were unable to promptly repay it / had a problem with owing money.
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Yeah I should have just worked in Asda instead.
I needed a degree in my area of work, if I could have dodged uni I would have.
Education should be a right for every citizen and it should be free!
The fact you can't see the benefits of free education scares me.
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It isnt free though is it.
A large majority of thode Asda workers you show disdain for would be among taxpayers not enjoying further education, but paying for you to do so
posted on 7/6/16
A person with a degree earns more than someone without, on average.
It is only right they are not subsidised by the less well off.
posted on 7/6/16
If they earn more they'll end up paying more tax into the system, probably more than it will cost to subsidise their education. Higher university fees make sure the poor stay poor if they can't afford to get a degree.
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comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
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comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
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comment by really? (U17250)
posted 9 minutes ago
His mind was made up (to leave) long before this thread was penned, and no amount of debate or information (to counter opinion) will change that**
there is no real 'information' though, it's just people's opinions being put across in quite an aggressive way, if you are undecided and reading this thread don't believe the hype on the EU
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While I believe remaining in the EU is critical (and have done long before the referendum was mooted, I am willing to take on board opposing arguments.
J99 has made a few points in regard to bureaucracy I agree with. However the overriding factor for me is that the leave campaign have not been able to formulate any kind of exit strategy/roadmap, and that ultimately the risk of leaving far outweighs that of remaining.
There are far too many "we don't know's" in which to make an informed decision (to leave).
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The thing is there is risk involved on both sides. The growth rate in EU is zero and the ECB interest rates are negative! Think about it for a minute. You have to pay money to the banks for them to hold your money!
The Euro crisis is ongoing and really the only to fix some of it is through political union. We don't have the Euro so there will come a point when we will again have to decide what we want as a country. But till then a lot of countries including us are going to have spend a lot of money with continuous bail outs if we stay.
The remain campaign talk about the here and now as if EU is not changing day by day. All of this discussion here maybe moot again even if do stay when Italy requires a bail out or even France does!
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Any future bail out would absolutely not require UK funds should we remain in. Only Eurozone countries will be liable in the case that the EU elects to bail out a member state in future. That is one of the changes that goes into EU law if we vote to stay.
Should the IMF decide to bail any European nation out, however, we'll still be hit for a nice four and a half percent or so of the damage.
But that would apply with any nation anywhere in the world.
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comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
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comment by Robben (U1145)
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comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 6 minutes ago
Michael Moore demonstrates the benefits of socialism in his new documentary.
http://www.empireonline.com/movies/invade-next/review/
I still owe 12k in university loans, I could have studied in Slovenia for 3 years and come out debt free with a degree.
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You shouldn't have borrowed it if you were unable to promptly repay it / had a problem with owing money.
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Yeah I should have just worked in Asda instead.
I needed a degree in my area of work, if I could have dodged uni I would have.
Education should be a right for every citizen and it should be free!
The fact you can't see the benefits of free education scares me.
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It isnt free though is it.
A large majority of thode Asda workers you show disdain for would be among taxpayers not enjoying further education, but paying for you to do so
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How did I show, disdain for Asda workers?
By saying it wasn't the peak of my ambition.
What teenager would aspire to work in Asda, are you that desperate to write something negative about me?
It's paid for with tax money but they are more then welcome to come over here and enjoy the NHS I pay for.
All part of the benefit of voting IN.
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By the way KFC, I'm 36 and a father of 4. Whilst not a teenager,I'm not a geriatric either, there's a good chance I'll be alive to see what the results of this vote has on MY country. I'm voting Brexit because I worry what mass immigration will have on my kids. Green belt land will be swallowed up for housing. The landscape of Britain will be obliterated forever.
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comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 10 minutes ago
If they earn more they'll end up paying more tax into the system, probably more than it will cost to subsidise their education. Higher university fees make sure the poor stay poor if they can't afford to get a degree.
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The fact they are paying more tax is a result of them earning more money. If the tax they pay dwarfs the amount it costs for further education (not regular ducation which is or all) then their net pay will be even higher still
If you dont earn enough money you dont pay it back. If you are poor your whole life, your further education is free.
I honestly dont see a fairer way than that myself
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comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 4 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Robben (U1145)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 6 minutes ago
Michael Moore demonstrates the benefits of socialism in his new documentary.
http://www.empireonline.com/movies/invade-next/review/
I still owe 12k in university loans, I could have studied in Slovenia for 3 years and come out debt free with a degree.
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You shouldn't have borrowed it if you were unable to promptly repay it / had a problem with owing money.
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Yeah I should have just worked in Asda instead.
I needed a degree in my area of work, if I could have dodged uni I would have.
Education should be a right for every citizen and it should be free!
The fact you can't see the benefits of free education scares me.
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It isnt free though is it.
A large majority of thode Asda workers you show disdain for would be among taxpayers not enjoying further education, but paying for you to do so
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How did I show, disdain for Asda workers?
By saying it wasn't the peak of my ambition.
What teenager would aspire to work in Asda, are you that desperate to write something negative about me?
It's paid for with tax money but they are more then welcome to come over here and enjoy the NHS I pay for.
All part of the benefit of voting IN.
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Who are more than welcome to come over here and enjoy the NHS, Asda workers? I think you wil find they pay for it too
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