comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
"I was also in Romania for about a month in 2014 and found it to be an absolutely wonderful place: welcoming people, beautiful countryside, and a strong and proud culture. I'd recommend a visit to anyone."

never suggested otherwise, I love the country. However, many of the people struggle make any kind of living.

"Just be careful on the roads..."

Ah yes, my first experience there jumping in a taxi, that was an interesting experience.
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We took a camper van there and wild camped mostly. Felt very welcome and safe as houses. In the rural areas, all the kids wanted to get in the van and sit in the driving seat all the time, and lots of the farmers had a strange obsession with trying to get us to try their frighteningly strong schnapps!

On the roads we saw people going around roundabouts the wrong way, parking on roundabouts (basically they just can't do roundabouts!), and, scarily, undertaking on the dirt off the tarmac at the sides of roads at breakneck speeds. Absolute nutters, but brilliant people.

comment by General (U11002)
posted 39 minutes ago
And no don't see why it is dangerous for the Hungarian PM or any leader wanting to protect his countries identity from any religion or group of people. The guy hasn't said he doesn't like muslims.
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I agree, what is wrong with holding on to your cultural and religious identity?
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ONly A problem if one is white and christian nowadays, for some.

Black power racism and fundamentalist islamism are cool though.

Replacing one type of racism and sectarianism=the ultrapc liberal left in action.

comment by General (U11002)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
So many deluded people in this country.

You say I do not want to be a part of the EU but I want to continue to trade with you and I will do so as I like.

You guys crack me up

Citigroup has moved to Ireland, Agricultural sector is finished if we leave and then the fun begins.

I can hardly wait.

The hatred of people who are working hard in your country will lead to the destruction of said country.

Oh, this is going to be so much fun.

Cannot wait for when the other EU nations start sending the millions of Brits back to their country.
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You do realise that condescending comments like this don't help people to see your viewpoint? Unless of course you're purely motivated by one-upmanship, in which case well done you.

I'm voting remain, but I can't say with certainty that I'm making the correct decision for future generations as there are too many variables involved.
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Mudd is great at this new kinder politics of many on the remain and left today, and if you have another opinion, be prepared to be called thick, racist and facist....the kinder way to do politics, lol.

I went to Romania in 1974 with a caravan. Very few cars then except in the cities. We had to watch out for horse and carts in the middle of the road. It was very difficult to buy anything to eat, we joined queues and when you got to the counter there was only one product to buy. We did have some laughs with trying to buy things with our phrase book, they would grab it of us and read it to the other customers, but not nastily.
I didn't feel more or less safe than anywhere else.

Could those constantly slating the Uk swap with ex-pats abroad please, and give us peace😃

Real fefugees were left behind as young males marched into europe, many lying about being Syrian, and oddly forgetting the old, women and children....left to die by isis or assad guys, but hey, you can sign on in the uk, and wash cars, so hey ho.

Meanwhile, genuine refugees suffer.

With isis being battered by muslim, russian, kurdish and assad forces, I trust the boys who came here to Europe are all heading home soon.....you know, back to Syria😉

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Collins dictionary.
Economic migrant. A person who moves from one region, place or country to improve his or her standard of living.
Nothing about being scared of being killed.

If I move to the States to improve my lot I'm an economic migrant.
If the government starts persecuting people who are Christian I'm a refugee.
As I say the terminology is important, people don't like being seen to not want refugees, but are happy to see economic migrants denied entry.

Finally, for me anyway, I don't think many people want open borders, I certainly don't. I would like the government to make provision for genuine refugees, but not change their name so they can be kept out.

There is a whole lot more we could be doing to integrate the people who arrive, help with language and jobs etc.
Benefits should only be payed to people who have paid something into the system, however small barring illness. Including UK citizens

People arriving as refugees should be given enough to get them on their feet and no more

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52 - they were not leaving Serbia, Romania or Hungary for fear of being killed though. Jesus.

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
They are leaving Romania, Hungary and Serbia to escape persecution you numpty.

Did you not read the comments posted here by the Hungarian president?

1. White people refugees
2. Brown people economic migrants

Every day and in every way, you provide us with further insight into your personality
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Yeah,he did t say anything derogatory about muslims. He asked why they didn't stay in the previous safe country they came from as they were safe there.

I also posted links where he said he was happy to take their share of migrants

Refugee if fleeing war

Economic migrant if not fleeing war but looking for better quality of life.

The Syrians were not fleeing war in Serbia, Hungary or Romania. They could have stayed their safely. They CHOSE to leave for more affluent countries and therefore become economic migrants (according to the definition of economic migrants)

As for this persecution they supposedly faced on Hungary and SERBIA, aren't they facing worse in England and Germany and Austria with UKIP, EDL, Pegida and various far right parties springing up across Europe?

comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
Real fefugees were left behind as young males marched into europe, many lying about being Syrian, and oddly forgetting the old, women and children....left to die by isis or assad guys, but hey, you can sign on in the uk, and wash cars, so hey ho.

Meanwhile, genuine refugees suffer.

With isis being battered by muslim, russian, kurdish and assad forces, I trust the boys who came here to Europe are all heading home soon.....you know, back to Syria😉
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Do you have any idea what life was like in Syria before the IS insurgency? Many people there had (and still have) as much to fear from their own government, as well as various other insurgent groups.

IS is just the latest in a line of murderous, oppressive organisations the Syrian people have had to try to survive.

They were fleeing war nothing to say you have to stop fleeing the minute you cross the border. Jesus.

Who is supposed to look after them, do you think Serbia will take them all? Or isn't our problem.

comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by General (U11002)
posted 39 minutes ago
And no don't see why it is dangerous for the Hungarian PM or any leader wanting to protect his countries identity from any religion or group of people. The guy hasn't said he doesn't like muslims.
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I agree, what is wrong with holding on to your cultural and religious identity?
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ONly A problem if one is white and christian nowadays, for some.

Black power racism and fundamentalist islamism are cool though.

Replacing one type of racism and sectarianism=the ultrapc liberal left in action.
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There is nothing liberal or leftist about judging or discriminating against people based on their race or religion.

SERBIA, aren't they facing worse in England and Germany and Austria with UKIP, EDL, Pegida and various far right parties springing up across Europe?

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Which just proves what a complete muppet you are.

Take it you haven't heard of Srebrenica, Ratko Mladic?

RDD are we to assume you won't let people in from Syria?

"Ireland was bombed in the war and Iceland is a completely different language where as USA speaks english and was an ally. "

With logic like this from RDD who needs rational thought.

That's one of well thought out rebuttals as to why white Brits fleeing war during WW2 were evacuees, yes he has since promoted them from refugees.

What if the Syrians 2nd language is English? He's argument falls apart.

If he ever acknowledges the fact that Canada and Australia are independent states, his argument falls apart.

He uses words like "commonwealth" and "language" to illustrate some kind of special bond between Brits and Canadians/Americans but fails to recognise that the bond we have as human beings is much stronger.

He loves definitions (even ones he uses as evidence but in fact counter his argument) here's one from the UN calling Syrians who have settled in Australia to Uruguay, refugees.

http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/asylum.php

http://www.unhcr.org/52b2febafc5.pdf

That's the UN, who should have some kind of idea what a refugee is.

Lets see what RDD has to say about the UN definition, or maybe he can just manipulate something out of the dictionary.

Yup, they could have stopped at Diego Garcia, it's closer than Australia.

Just a quick quote from one of the UN links.

"Australia has agreed to resettle an additional 12,000 refugees who are fleeing the conflict in the Syrian Arab
Republic and Iraq. The proportion of these places to be allocated to Syrian refugees has not yet been determined. The
12,000 additional places will be delivered over multiple years. A breakdown of visas granted for this group will be
provided once these places are delivered."



Notice how even though these Syrians are being settled in Australia they are still called refugees.

The UN thinks you can travel half the globe and still be a refugee. RDD and his made up definitions won't even allow to cross a single border.

Brilliant logic.

RDD

He's a joke, the hypocritical Nancy boy.

Anyone gonna swerve the football and watch the big debate on BBC One?

comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt Busby (U11781)
posted 32 seconds ago
Anyone gonna swerve the football and watch the big debate on BBC One?
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What time is it on? Stuck in the airport enroute to Prague

52 - Europe and the middle east should look after them

Red - yes I have heard of Srebrenica and Ratko Mladic and the atrocities of 20 years ago.

52 - it's not up to me if we let them In however I understood we had already taken refugees from Syria rather than the economic migrants from Europe.

Kung Fu - "Ireland was bombed in the war and Iceland is a completely different language where as USA speaks english and was an ally. With logic like this from RDD who needs rational thought"

What's wrong with that logic?

And the evacuees were just that. Our government evacuated them to allied countries. That's why they got to go to English speaking countries. They didn't just get up and walk to the US, Canada or Australia mate. You asked if they were refugees or migrants. I consider them refugees. Ask others what they think.

And when did I say Canada or Australia we're not independant countries?

And how have I failed to recognise our bond as human beings? I have not been derogatory to these people or expressed them I'll will.

My definitions support my position perfectly.

And do those UN links state where the Syrians were re settled from (I would also consider them refugees if they were from Syria as I have repeatedly said)

Question for you Kung Fu. The Syrians now in Australia. If they were move to Britain in 3 months of their own accord, would they be refugees still or migrants?

My definitions support my position perfectly.

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Fortunately for the rest of the world, you are the only one relying on those definitions.

Red - why do you disagree with the definitions I provided?

Why do you feel the need to have definitions that differ from official organisations?