And were no way influenced by Farage?
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 6 minutes ago
What about your heroes, David and George, and all their hoards of cronies? I suppose they're proper working class folk?
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I didn't say they weren't, it's you that had a go at "elitism"
At least you've resigned yourself to the fact Farage is an elitist. But followed him still.
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Farage isn't in my thoughts. It seems you can't get him out of yours....
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Sums you up then, you talk about elitism but Farage isn't in your thoughts.
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Did you win much in school, Red? You seem to be a little obsessed about having something to prove....
That's the point of campaigning. Nobody voted for Farage he wasn't on the ballot, his party got about 10% at the last election a year before.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted about a minute ago
And were no way influenced by Farage?
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Far from it. This idea you have that people who voted to leave were hanging off Farage's every word is nonsensical. I think you'll find most of us didn't vote out because of anything Farage said.
If you think no one was influenced by farage you're absolutely in denial.
There you go again, twisting words. Considering your love of forensically picking apart everyone's posts on here, you're not paying very close attention to what's being written. Somehow you've managed to turn me saying 'most of us' into me meaning everyone.
People who agree with everything Farage said don't think this way because of what he says, it's very likely they already hold the same views as him. He is just their mouthpiece.
That's part of the problem with people like yourself, the vote didn't go your way and you've labelled everyone who voted out as stupid, racist, right wing fascists. That's why you find it so easy to convince yourself that the end is nigh.
Either you're denying that anyone was influenced by farage or not.
No need to go on a rant. I've done no such thing as label anyone anything.
If anyone has issued a label, it is you bandying the "elitist" tag.
I wanted out of the EU years before I ever heard of Farage
Oh well, no brexit.
We had fun though didn't we ?
Anyone watched episode five of the new series of Black Mirror?
Very insightful commentary. A little more subtle than 'Er Ist Wieder Da', but just as relevant.
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 3 hours, 20 minutes ago
Brexit will still happen
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Probably, but a more MP friendly, sanitised version than Nigel and his gang of cronies wanted.
Fluffy pillow Brexit.
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 3 hours, 42 minutes ago
Brexit will still happen
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Yeah I think it will still happen too although in theory the approach should be more measured.
If we did it the pure 2016 Tory way then the average person would be so facked beyond anything we've seen in British history.
At least with the full imput of a range of MPs some of the average persons rights may be preserved even when the economy is ruined - it's at this point most people will need fairer policies.
comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š _P䆆ê®ÑëÐ_ÐrÊåm§ (U1541)
posted about 7 hours ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 3 hours, 20 minutes ago
Brexit will still happen
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Probably, but a more MP friendly, sanitised version than Nigel and his gang of cronies wanted.
Fluffy pillow Brexit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably be more like David and his gang of cronies wanted instead.
This is nothing less than corruption, the people who haven't stopped having tantrums since they didn't get what they wanted with the referendum, have now stabbed democracy in the back.
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š _P䆆ê®ÑëÐ_ÐrÊåm§ (U1541)
posted about 7 hours ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 3 hours, 20 minutes ago
Brexit will still happen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably, but a more MP friendly, sanitised version than Nigel and his gang of cronies wanted.
Fluffy pillow Brexit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably be more like David and his gang of cronies wanted instead.
This is nothing less than corruption, the people who haven't stopped having tantrums since they didn't get what they wanted with the referendum, have now stabbed democracy in the back.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair, people were given the choice between staying in the EU and leaving.
In the most comprehensive survey we have on the reasons people voted to leave, the majority of people - just over 50% - said their primary reason for doing so was to reclaim sovereignty in executive decision making and lawmaking.
I have heard many, many Brexiters repeat since the vote, "It's not all about immigration, I didn't vote based on that."
Would it not then be fair to say a 'soft Brexit' would suit better the people? Given that all of those who voted to Remain clearly backed free movement and access to the single market (as unarguable, core tenets of membership), and, it is probably fair to say, at least 2% of those who voted to Leave didn't care about those issues, would a 'soft Brexit' not better represent the wishes of voters?
Would it not then be fair to say a 'soft Brexit' would suit better the people?
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I believe the majority of the people are in the middle for most decisions. However I would like you define what 'soft Brexit' means.
comment by rossobianchi - Rock the Pogbah (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š _P䆆ê®ÑëÐ_ÐrÊåm§ (U1541)
posted about 7 hours ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 3 hours, 20 minutes ago
Brexit will still happen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably, but a more MP friendly, sanitised version than Nigel and his gang of cronies wanted.
Fluffy pillow Brexit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably be more like David and his gang of cronies wanted instead.
This is nothing less than corruption, the people who haven't stopped having tantrums since they didn't get what they wanted with the referendum, have now stabbed democracy in the back.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair, people were given the choice between staying in the EU and leaving.
In the most comprehensive survey we have on the reasons people voted to leave, the majority of people - just over 50% - said their primary reason for doing so was to reclaim sovereignty in executive decision making and lawmaking.
I have heard many, many Brexiters repeat since the vote, "It's not all about immigration, I didn't vote based on that."
Would it not then be fair to say a 'soft Brexit' would suit better the people? Given that all of those who voted to Remain clearly backed free movement and access to the single market (as unarguable, core tenets of membership), and, it is probably fair to say, at least 2% of those who voted to Leave didn't care about those issues, would a 'soft Brexit' not better represent the wishes of voters?
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What makes you think all that voted remain clearly backed BOTH single market access and freedom of movement?
They may clearly want one, but have grave reservations about the other.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 12 minutes ago
Would it not then be fair to say a 'soft Brexit' would suit better the people?
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I believe the majority of the people are in the middle for most decisions. However I would like you define what 'soft Brexit' means.
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Leaving the EU so we have complete control over lawmaking.
Retaining access to the single market with all that comes with.
Ledders
They may back one and have reservations about the other, true. But it cannot be denied that a vote to Remain was quite clearly a vote to retain access to the single market and free movement. It cannot have meant anything else. It is choosing an engine and four wheels by buying a car.
A vote to Leave, by the admission of many Brexit voters, did not mean a vote against the single market and those other core concepts it is bound to.
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comment by Wearethefamous THFC (U19211)
posted 25 minutes ago
Vote to remain was for all those with their fingers in the pie to keep stuffing their faces
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Please explain why a vote to leave will allow this 'pie' to be shared around equally.
This is nothing less than corruption, the people who haven't stopped having tantrums since they didn't get what they wanted with the referendum, have now stabbed democracy in the back.
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Bunkum.
It was a mess up by the government in the first place.
The first thing they should have done prior to launching the the referendum is to find out if the result could have been enacted solely by the sitting government or have to pass through Parliament.
The high court has ruled that to leave the EU would require an act of Parliament. This would have been the case whenever the question was asked, before or after the referendum.
It's not as though it only required being passed through parliament in the event of a 'leave' result.
Otherwise you are then saying the British law makers are not beyond reproach.
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 5 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š _P䆆ê®ÑëÐ_ÐrÊåm§ (U1541)
posted about 7 hours ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 3 hours, 20 minutes ago
Brexit will still happen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably, but a more MP friendly, sanitised version than Nigel and his gang of cronies wanted.
Fluffy pillow Brexit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably be more like David and his gang of cronies wanted instead.
This is nothing less than corruption, the people who haven't stopped having tantrums since they didn't get what they wanted with the referendum, have now stabbed democracy in the back.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why are you so shocked about this decision?
Parliament is sovereign, It had to ratify us joining the EEC and it has to do the same when we leave.
The unelected tory leader we have certainly has no right to decide for us. We will leavê Europe, but the hardliners may not get the deal they wanted.
comment by rossobianchi - Rock the Pogbah (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 12 minutes ago
Would it not then be fair to say a 'soft Brexit' would suit better the people?
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I believe the majority of the people are in the middle for most decisions. However I would like you define what 'soft Brexit' means.
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Leaving the EU so we have complete control over lawmaking.
Retaining access to the single market with all that comes with.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Canada has access to the single market. So a trading deal similar to theirs?
MP's voted 6-1 to have the referendum, everyone always knew the result would be final but nobody expected a leave result. The other parties would get more respect if they stopped trying to score points against the Tories and work together in t he national interest.
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posted on 2/11/16
And were no way influenced by Farage?
posted on 2/11/16
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 6 minutes ago
What about your heroes, David and George, and all their hoards of cronies? I suppose they're proper working class folk?
----------
I didn't say they weren't, it's you that had a go at "elitism"
At least you've resigned yourself to the fact Farage is an elitist. But followed him still.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Farage isn't in my thoughts. It seems you can't get him out of yours....
-------
Sums you up then, you talk about elitism but Farage isn't in your thoughts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Did you win much in school, Red? You seem to be a little obsessed about having something to prove....
posted on 2/11/16
That's the point of campaigning. Nobody voted for Farage he wasn't on the ballot, his party got about 10% at the last election a year before.
posted on 2/11/16
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted about a minute ago
And were no way influenced by Farage?
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Far from it. This idea you have that people who voted to leave were hanging off Farage's every word is nonsensical. I think you'll find most of us didn't vote out because of anything Farage said.
posted on 2/11/16
If you think no one was influenced by farage you're absolutely in denial.
posted on 2/11/16
There you go again, twisting words. Considering your love of forensically picking apart everyone's posts on here, you're not paying very close attention to what's being written. Somehow you've managed to turn me saying 'most of us' into me meaning everyone.
People who agree with everything Farage said don't think this way because of what he says, it's very likely they already hold the same views as him. He is just their mouthpiece.
That's part of the problem with people like yourself, the vote didn't go your way and you've labelled everyone who voted out as stupid, racist, right wing fascists. That's why you find it so easy to convince yourself that the end is nigh.
posted on 3/11/16
Either you're denying that anyone was influenced by farage or not.
No need to go on a rant. I've done no such thing as label anyone anything.
If anyone has issued a label, it is you bandying the "elitist" tag.
posted on 3/11/16
I wanted out of the EU years before I ever heard of Farage
posted on 3/11/16
Oh well, no brexit.
We had fun though didn't we ?
posted on 3/11/16
Brexit will still happen
posted on 3/11/16
Anyone watched episode five of the new series of Black Mirror?
Very insightful commentary. A little more subtle than 'Er Ist Wieder Da', but just as relevant.
posted on 3/11/16
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 3 hours, 20 minutes ago
Brexit will still happen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably, but a more MP friendly, sanitised version than Nigel and his gang of cronies wanted.
Fluffy pillow Brexit.
posted on 3/11/16
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 3 hours, 42 minutes ago
Brexit will still happen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah I think it will still happen too although in theory the approach should be more measured.
If we did it the pure 2016 Tory way then the average person would be so facked beyond anything we've seen in British history.
At least with the full imput of a range of MPs some of the average persons rights may be preserved even when the economy is ruined - it's at this point most people will need fairer policies.
posted on 4/11/16
comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š _P䆆ê®ÑëÐ_ÐrÊåm§ (U1541)
posted about 7 hours ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 3 hours, 20 minutes ago
Brexit will still happen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably, but a more MP friendly, sanitised version than Nigel and his gang of cronies wanted.
Fluffy pillow Brexit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably be more like David and his gang of cronies wanted instead.
This is nothing less than corruption, the people who haven't stopped having tantrums since they didn't get what they wanted with the referendum, have now stabbed democracy in the back.
posted on 4/11/16
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š _P䆆ê®ÑëÐ_ÐrÊåm§ (U1541)
posted about 7 hours ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 3 hours, 20 minutes ago
Brexit will still happen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably, but a more MP friendly, sanitised version than Nigel and his gang of cronies wanted.
Fluffy pillow Brexit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably be more like David and his gang of cronies wanted instead.
This is nothing less than corruption, the people who haven't stopped having tantrums since they didn't get what they wanted with the referendum, have now stabbed democracy in the back.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair, people were given the choice between staying in the EU and leaving.
In the most comprehensive survey we have on the reasons people voted to leave, the majority of people - just over 50% - said their primary reason for doing so was to reclaim sovereignty in executive decision making and lawmaking.
I have heard many, many Brexiters repeat since the vote, "It's not all about immigration, I didn't vote based on that."
Would it not then be fair to say a 'soft Brexit' would suit better the people? Given that all of those who voted to Remain clearly backed free movement and access to the single market (as unarguable, core tenets of membership), and, it is probably fair to say, at least 2% of those who voted to Leave didn't care about those issues, would a 'soft Brexit' not better represent the wishes of voters?
posted on 4/11/16
Would it not then be fair to say a 'soft Brexit' would suit better the people?
-------------
I believe the majority of the people are in the middle for most decisions. However I would like you define what 'soft Brexit' means.
posted on 4/11/16
comment by rossobianchi - Rock the Pogbah (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š _P䆆ê®ÑëÐ_ÐrÊåm§ (U1541)
posted about 7 hours ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 3 hours, 20 minutes ago
Brexit will still happen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably, but a more MP friendly, sanitised version than Nigel and his gang of cronies wanted.
Fluffy pillow Brexit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably be more like David and his gang of cronies wanted instead.
This is nothing less than corruption, the people who haven't stopped having tantrums since they didn't get what they wanted with the referendum, have now stabbed democracy in the back.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair, people were given the choice between staying in the EU and leaving.
In the most comprehensive survey we have on the reasons people voted to leave, the majority of people - just over 50% - said their primary reason for doing so was to reclaim sovereignty in executive decision making and lawmaking.
I have heard many, many Brexiters repeat since the vote, "It's not all about immigration, I didn't vote based on that."
Would it not then be fair to say a 'soft Brexit' would suit better the people? Given that all of those who voted to Remain clearly backed free movement and access to the single market (as unarguable, core tenets of membership), and, it is probably fair to say, at least 2% of those who voted to Leave didn't care about those issues, would a 'soft Brexit' not better represent the wishes of voters?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What makes you think all that voted remain clearly backed BOTH single market access and freedom of movement?
They may clearly want one, but have grave reservations about the other.
posted on 4/11/16
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 12 minutes ago
Would it not then be fair to say a 'soft Brexit' would suit better the people?
-------------
I believe the majority of the people are in the middle for most decisions. However I would like you define what 'soft Brexit' means.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Leaving the EU so we have complete control over lawmaking.
Retaining access to the single market with all that comes with.
posted on 4/11/16
Ledders
They may back one and have reservations about the other, true. But it cannot be denied that a vote to Remain was quite clearly a vote to retain access to the single market and free movement. It cannot have meant anything else. It is choosing an engine and four wheels by buying a car.
A vote to Leave, by the admission of many Brexit voters, did not mean a vote against the single market and those other core concepts it is bound to.
posted on 4/11/16
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 4/11/16
comment by Wearethefamous THFC (U19211)
posted 25 minutes ago
Vote to remain was for all those with their fingers in the pie to keep stuffing their faces
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Please explain why a vote to leave will allow this 'pie' to be shared around equally.
posted on 4/11/16
This is nothing less than corruption, the people who haven't stopped having tantrums since they didn't get what they wanted with the referendum, have now stabbed democracy in the back.
-----------
Bunkum.
It was a mess up by the government in the first place.
The first thing they should have done prior to launching the the referendum is to find out if the result could have been enacted solely by the sitting government or have to pass through Parliament.
The high court has ruled that to leave the EU would require an act of Parliament. This would have been the case whenever the question was asked, before or after the referendum.
It's not as though it only required being passed through parliament in the event of a 'leave' result.
Otherwise you are then saying the British law makers are not beyond reproach.
posted on 4/11/16
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 5 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š _P䆆ê®ÑëÐ_ÐrÊåm§ (U1541)
posted about 7 hours ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 3 hours, 20 minutes ago
Brexit will still happen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably, but a more MP friendly, sanitised version than Nigel and his gang of cronies wanted.
Fluffy pillow Brexit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably be more like David and his gang of cronies wanted instead.
This is nothing less than corruption, the people who haven't stopped having tantrums since they didn't get what they wanted with the referendum, have now stabbed democracy in the back.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why are you so shocked about this decision?
Parliament is sovereign, It had to ratify us joining the EEC and it has to do the same when we leave.
The unelected tory leader we have certainly has no right to decide for us. We will leavê Europe, but the hardliners may not get the deal they wanted.
posted on 4/11/16
comment by rossobianchi - Rock the Pogbah (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 12 minutes ago
Would it not then be fair to say a 'soft Brexit' would suit better the people?
-------------
I believe the majority of the people are in the middle for most decisions. However I would like you define what 'soft Brexit' means.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Leaving the EU so we have complete control over lawmaking.
Retaining access to the single market with all that comes with.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Canada has access to the single market. So a trading deal similar to theirs?
posted on 4/11/16
MP's voted 6-1 to have the referendum, everyone always knew the result would be final but nobody expected a leave result. The other parties would get more respect if they stopped trying to score points against the Tories and work together in t he national interest.
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