comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 13 hours, 33 minutes ago
Name those that British people want to keep over having an agreement such as CETA.

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I'll throw this back to you as you seem to have a grasp of CETA.

What would the British people benefit from, that they don't do at the moment if we had a CETA type agreement?
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Full control over border controls with free trade.
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I wouldn't say full control over borders.

Part of CETA allows for six months visa free travel for EU citizens to Canada, and vice versa, for the purposes of tourism or work.

comment by rossobianchi - Rock the Pogbah (U17054)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 13 hours, 33 minutes ago
Name those that British people want to keep over having an agreement such as CETA.

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I'll throw this back to you as you seem to have a grasp of CETA.

What would the British people benefit from, that they don't do at the moment if we had a CETA type agreement?
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Full control over border controls with free trade.
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I wouldn't say full control over borders.

Part of CETA allows for six months visa free travel for EU citizens to Canada, and vice versa, for the purposes of tourism or work.
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Sounds like a good idea

I wonder whether EU countries couldn't just work out a scheme where citizens are either all entitled to the same benefits, or where their host countris only provide them with the coverage and benefits of each citizens country of origin.

comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi - Rock the Pogbah (U17054)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 13 hours, 33 minutes ago
Name those that British people want to keep over having an agreement such as CETA.

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I'll throw this back to you as you seem to have a grasp of CETA.

What would the British people benefit from, that they don't do at the moment if we had a CETA type agreement?
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Full control over border controls with free trade.
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I wouldn't say full control over borders.

Part of CETA allows for six months visa free travel for EU citizens to Canada, and vice versa, for the purposes of tourism or work.
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Sounds like a good idea
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I don't think anyone has any issues with Visa free travel.

you have to get an ETA instead which costs $7 and gets approved within half an hour

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 3 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 13 hours, 33 minutes ago
Name those that British people want to keep over having an agreement such as CETA.

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I'll throw this back to you as you seem to have a grasp of CETA.

What would the British people benefit from, that they don't do at the moment if we had a CETA type agreement?
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Full control over border controls with free trade.

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With zero exemptions?

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 39 minutes ago

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 3 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 13 hours, 33 minutes ago
Name those that British people want to keep over having an agreement such as CETA.

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I'll throw this back to you as you seem to have a grasp of CETA.

What would the British people benefit from, that they don't do at the moment if we had a CETA type agreement?
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Full control over border controls with free trade.

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With zero exemptions?
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In my opinion it should be a softer work permit. The initial emphasis should be on companies to find local workers. I know that it isn't the policy at the moment because thats the feedback I get from my consultants. In fact in Spain for example there is an implicit understanding to give preferential treatment to Spanish companies. I believe these practices are common in most EU countries. UK however practises a far 'freer market' system like the US where global companies take advantage of cheap and exploitative labour which often in turn puts SME British business at a disadvantage compared to their EU counterparts. This doesn't mean that immigration will suddenly fall. I expect it to remain stable. However it will give business and government a better understanding of labour inflows that will allow better planning for services and housing. I also want to see an end to QE and further isolate our finance sector from the Euro contagion. I know ppl find it hard to differentiate between the Eurozone and EU. But I suspect that as the attempts to save the Euro get more desperate, their final solution will be complete union. At that point there will be immense pressure on other countries who do not have the Euro to decide what to do to. I believe whatever solution we finally agree will be the alternative for those who don't want to become the United States of Europe.

Dominic Grieve directly compares the Daily Mail to the Nazzi party's mouthpiece, the Voelkischer Beobachter, over the paper's comments on this week's Brexit ruling.

"Newspapers in a free society can do what they like.
But if you did decide to behave immoderately and whip up frenzied hatred you can do that in a free society if you set about it and newspapers like the Daily Mail are no different from the Voelkischer Beobachter in Nazzi Germany if they run headlines of that type."

About time someone stood up to those hatemongers.

GO ON DOM!

Theresa May's first diplomatic mission as PM and, of course, the first of a PM following the Brexit vote.

May: "Morning India. Once we're free of our shackles, we'd very much like to work on a free trade deal with you."

India: "Excellent Mrs May. That is a great idea; we are fully on board. All you'll need to do is treble the number of visas for India citizens wanting to move to the UK."

Inevitable. We have a choice now, EU aside.

We can continue to be a part of the widening freedom of movement we're seeing across the world. Or, whilst Europe, the Americas and Asia welcome the benefits it brings and cash in on the trade deals it allows, we can close our doors, and stay in the 20th century in outlook and quality of life.

comment by rossobianchi - Rock the Pogbah (U17054)
posted 57 minutes ago
Theresa May's first diplomatic mission as PM and, of course, the first of a PM following the Brexit vote.

May: "Morning India. Once we're free of our shackles, we'd very much like to work on a free trade deal with you."

India: "Excellent Mrs May. That is a great idea; we are fully on board. All you'll need to do is treble the number of visas for India citizens wanting to move to the UK."

Inevitable. We have a choice now, EU aside.

We can continue to be a part of the widening freedom of movement we're seeing across the world. Or, whilst Europe, the Americas and Asia welcome the benefits it brings and cash in on the trade deals it allows, we can close our doors, and stay in the 20th century in outlook and quality of life.
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India are not asking for freedom of movement like the EU, just an increase in visas.

Not sure where the school of thought comes from that all Leavers want an end to immigration per se

comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi - Rock the Pogbah (U17054)
posted 57 minutes ago
Theresa May's first diplomatic mission as PM and, of course, the first of a PM following the Brexit vote.

May: "Morning India. Once we're free of our shackles, we'd very much like to work on a free trade deal with you."

India: "Excellent Mrs May. That is a great idea; we are fully on board. All you'll need to do is treble the number of visas for India citizens wanting to move to the UK."

Inevitable. We have a choice now, EU aside.

We can continue to be a part of the widening freedom of movement we're seeing across the world. Or, whilst Europe, the Americas and Asia welcome the benefits it brings and cash in on the trade deals it allows, we can close our doors, and stay in the 20th century in outlook and quality of life.
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India are not asking for freedom of movement like the EU, just an increase in visas.

Not sure where the school of thought comes from that all Leavers want an end to immigration per se

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I don't believe they all do. That's why I think a 'soft' Brexit is the most likely outcome.

I think there is more variety than you expect. I think there are many Remainers who are keen on controlling immigration, but have taken a better-the-devil-you-know approach with regards to the the single market.

We are currently in the odd position where we have a PM who wanted to remain, leading a charge to leave, but being opposed by Corbyn, who has always wanted to cut ties with he EU, but is suddenly its champion.

Down the rabbit hole we go.

Rather than the petty point scoring, with nobody actually saying what they truly believe, better they sat down in private and thrashed out a position to take in negotiations that reflected the nation's views.

There's plenty of variety, absolutely.

But I'd rather we had a public debate about how to move forward than one behind closed doors.

HRH

"Rather than the petty point scoring, with nobody actually saying what they truly believe, better they sat down in private and thrashed out a position to take in negotiations that reflected the nation's views".

Better who sat down in private?

Visas = Work permit + Student Visa + Tourist Visa

Not right of stay or citizenship.

Do you know what Visa means? At least compare like with like. And if you are trying to increase trade with a country don't you think there will be an automatic increase in work permits?

Why should a Phd from India needed for our tech industry be refused in favour of a builder from Poland? Surely the work permits for ANY country be totally depended on the need of the skills in that country!

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comment by Wearethefamous THFC (U19211)
posted 41 seconds ago
Better who sat down in private?



Well not Sizzle and genius
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I hope not

But seriously though who were you referring to?

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 4 hours, 12 minutes ago
Visas = Work permit + Student Visa + Tourist Visa

Not right of stay or citizenship.

Do you know what Visa means? At least compare like with like. And if you are trying to increase trade with a country don't you think there will be an automatic increase in work permits?

Why should a Phd from India needed for our tech industry be refused in favour of a builder from Poland? Surely the work permits for ANY country be totally depended on the need of the skills in that country!
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Right of Indian students to stay in the UK post-graduation is towards the top of their wish list.

And they will likely want fast-track visas granted prior to offers of employment.

Right of Indian students to stay in the UK post-graduation is towards the top of their wish list.

And they will likely want fast-track visas granted prior to offers of employment.
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I don't understand what you are saying. You cannot get 'right of stay' based on a student Visa. You can on a work permit but only after 4 years of renewals. In that time it is very apparent if you are needed or not. So what has a wish list got to do with anything?

You come across as racist. Why should any country get preferential treatment? It should be completely based on meritocracy and the needs of the UK.

Do I want business ties with countries that are actually growing? Well duh Yes! Because that positively impacts the UK. I believe in globalisation.

comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 7 hours, 35 minutes ago
HRH

"Rather than the petty point scoring, with nobody actually saying what they truly believe, better they sat down in private and thrashed out a position to take in negotiations that reflected the nation's views".

Better who sat down in private?
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The main parties.

The Brexit support was not spilt among party lines, there were swathes of voters of both big parties on either side.

I do not think a public debate is very helpful in negotiations myself, and ideally this is what I would like to happen

In the real world it will not of course

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
Right of Indian students to stay in the UK post-graduation is towards the top of their wish list.

And they will likely want fast-track visas granted prior to offers of employment.
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I don't understand what you are saying. You cannot get 'right of stay' based on a student Visa. You can on a work permit but only after 4 years of renewals. In that time it is very apparent if you are needed or not. So what has a wish list got to do with anything?

You come across as racist. Why should any country get preferential treatment? It should be completely based on meritocracy and the needs of the UK.

Do I want business ties with countries that are actually growing? Well duh Yes! Because that positively impacts the UK. I believe in globalisation.
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I am not often accused of sounding like a racist

On completion of studies, foreign students can apply for Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILR) in the UK.

The Indian Government wants this opening up - more places offered and cheaper applications - to try to encourage more Indian students to apply to UK universities amongst other reasons (the numbers have fallen away very significantly in the near past).

My point is, for those who are saying (not necessarily you) that Britain can significantly curb immigration by leaving the EU whilst forging new free trade deals that will help cushion the massive negative financial impact that Brexit is going to bring, they need to think again.

The future is about free movement. Free movement and free trade go hand in hand. To operate efficiently the latter needs the former.

This is before considering that immigrants per capita contribute more to the economy *and* rely on the state less. They are superior net contributors. They also happen to behave better than native Brits (lower criminal conviction rates) and enrich our cultural lives immeasurably. It would be downright daft for the UK to cut figures.

The Tories know this; that's why they have done and intend to do nothing about immigration figures. All of the main political parties in the UK, barring UKIP, hold the same view.

There has to be a Brexit. The people have spoken and their decision cannot be overturned. But I see no sense in throwing the baby out with the bath water and binning off our incredibly valuable position in the single market just to cull a free movement of people which is also massively, massively valuable to the UK.

People want sovereignty over UK law making back. Fine. That is going to arrive with Brexit. But not all Brexiters wanted Britain to shut up shop to immigrants.

I think we'll see a discussion in Parliament and MPs on all sides make the argument for prioritising access to the single market with whatever else that might require.

Better who sat down in private?



Well not Sizzle and genius




Behave!

so what you guys think a trump win mean for the UK after brexit?

About the same as if Clinton had won.Sweet F A.

Obama put the uk at the back of his queue, but Farage will help us jump forward😀

Trumped it.