comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
And as for the EU going on, I'd suggest it is a hell of a lot more fragile than you think, and it really isn't in a position to be acting too aggressively or punitively in any trade deals.
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What do you think the six founding nations have just said within the last hour? You've been told in no uncertain terms; you wanted Brexit, now get on with it!
The EU is going to be around for a very, very long time. When and if the IMF, world bank, and World Development Bank declares Sterling to be a currency of safe haven (i.e. never), you may be in a position to start paying down the world's 2nd largest structural debt. Maybe.
Until then, we'll stick with the dollar, euro and yen for security. Tell me again where the EU is going?
"However as far as I understand the EU are saying the exit and agreements made will be on their terms not ours. One of the terms I think they'll insist on is including freedom of movement in exchange for trade agreements."
I can't see us agreeing to that. They have too much to lose to insist on it. It's really not as important as you think. Immigration will still happen in significant numbers, it just won't be a free for all chaos immigration scenario like we have now.
"What do you think the six founding nations have just said within the last hour? You've been told in no uncertain terms; you wanted Brexit, now get on with it!"
And we'll say (in more polite terms): "we don't work for you clowns anymore, we'll do it when we're ready"
We're not Germany and France's little pet to whip anymore.
comment by Beeb (U1841)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
And as for the EU going on, I'd suggest it is a hell of a lot more fragile than you think, and it really isn't in a position to be acting too aggressively or punitively in any trade deals.
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What do you think the six founding nations have just said within the last hour? You've been told in no uncertain terms; you wanted Brexit, now get on with it!
The EU is going to be around for a very, very long time. When and if the IMF, world bank, and World Development Bank declares Sterling to be a currency of safe haven (i.e. never), you may be in a position to start paying down the world's 2nd largest structural debt. Maybe.
Until then, we'll stick with the dollar, euro and yen for security. Tell me again where the EU is going?
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if i were a betting man i'd put money on the EU as currently constructed - and the euro itself - collapsing within 20 years.
and as for what the 6 founding nations have said, in public, in the last hour, who cares? political posturing. what is said when it comes to trade deals is what is important, not the soundbites thrown the way of the press in the first 24-48 hours.
so i suspect most of the doom and gloom forecasts will prove to be overly pessimistic, which i know will disappoint those people, such as yourself, who seem desperate for the UK to implode.
But you're members until you leave, therefore you WILL abide by the rules.
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posted 2 minutes ago
But you're members until you leave, therefore you WILL abide by the rules.
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probably most of them. Some will be conveniently ignored for pragmatic reasons.
There's no ref and the stakes are extremely high. It'll end up a bit 80/20 IMO.
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comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 11 minutes ago
"However as far as I understand the EU are saying the exit and agreements made will be on their terms not ours. One of the terms I think they'll insist on is including freedom of movement in exchange for trade agreements."
I can't see us agreeing to that. They have too much to lose to insist on it. It's really not as important as you think. Immigration will still happen in significant numbers, it just won't be a free for all chaos immigration scenario like we have now.
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'Chaos'
Chaos is Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Palestine, Venezuela...
Britain is (was, at least) doing very, very nicely indeed.
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comment by Beeb (U1841)
But you're members until you leave, therefore you WILL abide by the rules.
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probably most of them. Some will be conveniently ignored for pragmatic reasons.
There's no ref and the stakes are extremely high. It'll end up a bit 80/20 IMO.
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Aren't that what those assistant referees are for? Bit like at Euro 2016? The European Court of Justice, for instance?
Oh, wait...
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 9 minutes ago
"However as far as I understand the EU are saying the exit and agreements made will be on their terms not ours. One of the terms I think they'll insist on is including freedom of movement in exchange for trade agreements."
I can't see us agreeing to that. They have too much to lose to insist on it. It's really not as important as you think. Immigration will still happen in significant numbers, it just won't be a free for all chaos immigration scenario like we have now.
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They'll simply tell us to feck off if we won't agree to their core requirement. If they listen to us and appear lenient, then the other countries will simple walk away from eu for similar agreement/treatment. This is far more risky for eu.
comment by Beeb (U1841)
posted 1 minute ago
Absolutely correct.
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no doubt if that is what happens you'll be first on here to gloat.
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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 9 minutes ago
"However as far as I understand the EU are saying the exit and agreements made will be on their terms not ours. One of the terms I think they'll insist on is including freedom of movement in exchange for trade agreements."
I can't see us agreeing to that. They have too much to lose to insist on it. It's really not as important as you think. Immigration will still happen in significant numbers, it just won't be a free for all chaos immigration scenario like we have now.
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They'll simply tell us to feck off if we won't agree to their core requirement. If they listen to us and appear lenient, then the other countries will simple walk away from eu for similar agreement/treatment. This is far more risky for eu.
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They, the EU, come across as severley narked that we voted to leave. Your right it's because it sends a message to other member nations. But also because of the effect it's had financially within the member nations but world wide.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Beeb (U1841)
posted 1 minute ago
Absolutely correct.
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no doubt if that is what happens you'll be first on here to gloat.
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It's not a case of gloating. One of the key reasons to vote leave was control on immigration. If they isn't achieved then what's the point in leaving?
The leave campaign have made bold statements on an emotive issue that they may not, IMO probably won't be able to, deliver on. So how has the country gained by leaving the EU?
What I don't understand is this myth that EU controlled us.
I looked into it and it's something like 20% of our legislation that has been strongly influenced by EU law, and the majority of these concern trade and employment that we will likely have to abide by if we want to continue to trade successfully post Brexit.
I don't think we are going to gain anything tangible from leaving (I actually don't think we will end up leaving, but if we do).
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 5 minutes ago
What I don't understand is this myth that EU controlled us.
I looked into it and it's something like 20% of our legislation that has been strongly influenced by EU law, and the majority of these concern trade and employment that we will likely have to abide by if we want to continue to trade successfully post Brexit.
I don't think we are going to gain anything tangible from leaving (I actually don't think we will end up leaving, but if we do).
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Exactly my point. I can't see what is going to change as a result of leaving apart from not sitting at the same table as EU countries.
Immigration - most probably unchanged
Trade - most probably unchanged
The two key components of the leave campaign manifesto.
I need to ask but do people really have faith on whoever gonna be in charge of negotiating the exit (Boris?)
If I remember correctly, hasn't Cameron tried over the past 2-3 years to negotiate a better deal with the EU for the UK and failed (which might actually lead him to ask for the referendum)
I know this time the terms will be different but recent history has shown that the EU is a hard constitution to deal with.
the figures on legislation are very very fuzzy, the figure appears to be somewhere between 20% and 50%, with the higher figure being UK laws influenced by/made with reference to the EU, rather than EU law as such.
This lot have however estimated that EU regulation cost the UK economy £124bn between 1998 and 2010, or roughly £10bn a year.
http://openeurope.org.uk/intelligence/economic-policy-and-trade/still-control-measuring-eleven-years-eu-regulation/
It was de-regulation that lead to the last economic crash, so I am quite happy with regulation thanks.
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 4 minutes ago
It was de-regulation that lead to the last economic crash, so I am quite happy with regulation thanks.
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there were many many causes of the last crash, to blame it on deregulation is nonsense.
and to state the blindingly obvious the UK is perfectly capable of regulating as it sees fit, being out of the EU just means that we don't have to accept every piece of EU regulation dreamt up whether we are in favour or not.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 4 minutes ago
It was de-regulation that lead to the last economic crash, so I am quite happy with regulation thanks.
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there were many many causes of the last crash, to blame it on deregulation is nonsense.
and to state the blindingly obvious the UK is perfectly capable of regulating as it sees fit, being out of the EU just means that we don't have to accept every piece of EU regulation dreamt up whether we are in favour or not.
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We wont have a say. To trade with Europe we would have to accept their laws. Outside EU we can't veto the ones we don't like. It's going to be imposed on us and if we don't like it then we can feck off and go somewhere else to trade..
CHF, I read your post, very balanced, very fair if I may say, on the issues. I made my decision on what I've seen and what I've heard. Not from the politicians, but from the people on the streets, the people in industries, in many ways people who you could term, with prejudice, as the 'have nots'.
I come from an industry that has been decimated by EU rules, made by non-elected EU burocracts, who've decided to ship out, at our tax paying expense, UK industries that were successful to other countries.
We have continually been net contributors to the EU purse, a purse that hasn't been signed off by its own auditors for the past twenty odd years. Corruption is rampant.
Left unchecked, the EU was destined, by its own hand, to become more centralised, burocractic. Centralised bank, currency, army, foreign policy? I could hardly wait!
For me, there was no dis-information. I felt sufficiently informed to make my decision rationally and without prejudice. That's why I voted out.
I'm very optimistic as to our future and to the future of our descendants. For me, it all depends on attitude, positive or negative.
JimmyTheRed
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 4 minutes ago
It was de-regulation that lead to the last economic crash, so I am quite happy with regulation thanks.
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there were many many causes of the last crash, to blame it on deregulation is nonsense.
and to state the blindingly obvious the UK is perfectly capable of regulating as it sees fit, being out of the EU just means that we don't have to accept every piece of EU regulation dreamt up whether we are in favour or not.
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We wont have a say. To trade with Europe we would have to accept their laws. Outside EU we can't veto the ones we don't like. It's going to be imposed on us and if we don't like it then we can feck off and go somewhere else to trade..
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we won't have to accept EU laws to trade with europe, no, same way China/US/Japan don't have to. they have to make sure their products/services are in accordance with EU laws, but that is a different matter.
obviously EU regulation, when incorporated into UK law, affected 100% of our trade, despite the fact that over 50% of that trade did not go to the EU.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 4 minutes ago
It was de-regulation that lead to the last economic crash, so I am quite happy with regulation thanks.
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there were many many causes of the last crash, to blame it on deregulation is nonsense.
and to state the blindingly obvious the UK is perfectly capable of regulating as it sees fit, being out of the EU just means that we don't have to accept every piece of EU regulation dreamt up whether we are in favour or not.
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We wont have a say. To trade with Europe we would have to accept their laws. Outside EU we can't veto the ones we don't like. It's going to be imposed on us and if we don't like it then we can feck off and go somewhere else to trade..
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we won't have to accept EU laws to trade with europe, no, same way China/US/Japan don't have to. they have to make sure their products/services are in accordance with EU laws, but that is a different matter.
obviously EU regulation, when incorporated into UK law, affected 100% of our trade, despite the fact that over 50% of that trade did not go to the EU.
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China and USA are large populations and not comparable. Also all three parties you have mentioned above do not trade/have to trade with Europe as much as we do.
Our economy would be decimated if we have to end up with similar trade agreement. Also Japan and USA are negotiating for further trade agreement with eu.
Everyone is coming together, while for some reason we have decided go the other way.
UK is the single biggest export market for EU (ex UK) goods, 16% of the EU's goods find their way to the UK, just ahead of the US at 15%, and well ahead of China.
UK is the 5th biggest economy in the world, so it is more comparable to the US/Japan/China than it is to Norway.
Obviously we are heavily reliant on the EU for our exports, but the point is that both sides rely to a fair degree on the other, and it is no one's real interests to have a prolonged and bitter trade dispute.
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posted on 25/6/16
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
And as for the EU going on, I'd suggest it is a hell of a lot more fragile than you think, and it really isn't in a position to be acting too aggressively or punitively in any trade deals.
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What do you think the six founding nations have just said within the last hour? You've been told in no uncertain terms; you wanted Brexit, now get on with it!
The EU is going to be around for a very, very long time. When and if the IMF, world bank, and World Development Bank declares Sterling to be a currency of safe haven (i.e. never), you may be in a position to start paying down the world's 2nd largest structural debt. Maybe.
Until then, we'll stick with the dollar, euro and yen for security. Tell me again where the EU is going?
posted on 25/6/16
"However as far as I understand the EU are saying the exit and agreements made will be on their terms not ours. One of the terms I think they'll insist on is including freedom of movement in exchange for trade agreements."
I can't see us agreeing to that. They have too much to lose to insist on it. It's really not as important as you think. Immigration will still happen in significant numbers, it just won't be a free for all chaos immigration scenario like we have now.
posted on 25/6/16
"What do you think the six founding nations have just said within the last hour? You've been told in no uncertain terms; you wanted Brexit, now get on with it!"
And we'll say (in more polite terms): "we don't work for you clowns anymore, we'll do it when we're ready"
We're not Germany and France's little pet to whip anymore.
posted on 25/6/16
comment by Beeb (U1841)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
And as for the EU going on, I'd suggest it is a hell of a lot more fragile than you think, and it really isn't in a position to be acting too aggressively or punitively in any trade deals.
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What do you think the six founding nations have just said within the last hour? You've been told in no uncertain terms; you wanted Brexit, now get on with it!
The EU is going to be around for a very, very long time. When and if the IMF, world bank, and World Development Bank declares Sterling to be a currency of safe haven (i.e. never), you may be in a position to start paying down the world's 2nd largest structural debt. Maybe.
Until then, we'll stick with the dollar, euro and yen for security. Tell me again where the EU is going?
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if i were a betting man i'd put money on the EU as currently constructed - and the euro itself - collapsing within 20 years.
and as for what the 6 founding nations have said, in public, in the last hour, who cares? political posturing. what is said when it comes to trade deals is what is important, not the soundbites thrown the way of the press in the first 24-48 hours.
so i suspect most of the doom and gloom forecasts will prove to be overly pessimistic, which i know will disappoint those people, such as yourself, who seem desperate for the UK to implode.
posted on 25/6/16
But you're members until you leave, therefore you WILL abide by the rules.
posted on 25/6/16
comment by Beeb (U1841)
posted 2 minutes ago
But you're members until you leave, therefore you WILL abide by the rules.
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probably most of them. Some will be conveniently ignored for pragmatic reasons.
There's no ref and the stakes are extremely high. It'll end up a bit 80/20 IMO.
posted on 25/6/16
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posted on 25/6/16
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 11 minutes ago
"However as far as I understand the EU are saying the exit and agreements made will be on their terms not ours. One of the terms I think they'll insist on is including freedom of movement in exchange for trade agreements."
I can't see us agreeing to that. They have too much to lose to insist on it. It's really not as important as you think. Immigration will still happen in significant numbers, it just won't be a free for all chaos immigration scenario like we have now.
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'Chaos'
Chaos is Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Palestine, Venezuela...
Britain is (was, at least) doing very, very nicely indeed.
posted on 25/6/16
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
comment by Beeb (U1841)
But you're members until you leave, therefore you WILL abide by the rules.
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probably most of them. Some will be conveniently ignored for pragmatic reasons.
There's no ref and the stakes are extremely high. It'll end up a bit 80/20 IMO.
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Aren't that what those assistant referees are for? Bit like at Euro 2016? The European Court of Justice, for instance?
Oh, wait...
posted on 25/6/16
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 9 minutes ago
"However as far as I understand the EU are saying the exit and agreements made will be on their terms not ours. One of the terms I think they'll insist on is including freedom of movement in exchange for trade agreements."
I can't see us agreeing to that. They have too much to lose to insist on it. It's really not as important as you think. Immigration will still happen in significant numbers, it just won't be a free for all chaos immigration scenario like we have now.
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They'll simply tell us to feck off if we won't agree to their core requirement. If they listen to us and appear lenient, then the other countries will simple walk away from eu for similar agreement/treatment. This is far more risky for eu.
posted on 25/6/16
Absolutely correct.
posted on 25/6/16
comment by Beeb (U1841)
posted 1 minute ago
Absolutely correct.
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no doubt if that is what happens you'll be first on here to gloat.
posted on 25/6/16
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 9 minutes ago
"However as far as I understand the EU are saying the exit and agreements made will be on their terms not ours. One of the terms I think they'll insist on is including freedom of movement in exchange for trade agreements."
I can't see us agreeing to that. They have too much to lose to insist on it. It's really not as important as you think. Immigration will still happen in significant numbers, it just won't be a free for all chaos immigration scenario like we have now.
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They'll simply tell us to feck off if we won't agree to their core requirement. If they listen to us and appear lenient, then the other countries will simple walk away from eu for similar agreement/treatment. This is far more risky for eu.
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They, the EU, come across as severley narked that we voted to leave. Your right it's because it sends a message to other member nations. But also because of the effect it's had financially within the member nations but world wide.
posted on 25/6/16
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Beeb (U1841)
posted 1 minute ago
Absolutely correct.
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no doubt if that is what happens you'll be first on here to gloat.
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It's not a case of gloating. One of the key reasons to vote leave was control on immigration. If they isn't achieved then what's the point in leaving?
The leave campaign have made bold statements on an emotive issue that they may not, IMO probably won't be able to, deliver on. So how has the country gained by leaving the EU?
posted on 25/6/16
What I don't understand is this myth that EU controlled us.
I looked into it and it's something like 20% of our legislation that has been strongly influenced by EU law, and the majority of these concern trade and employment that we will likely have to abide by if we want to continue to trade successfully post Brexit.
I don't think we are going to gain anything tangible from leaving (I actually don't think we will end up leaving, but if we do).
posted on 25/6/16
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 5 minutes ago
What I don't understand is this myth that EU controlled us.
I looked into it and it's something like 20% of our legislation that has been strongly influenced by EU law, and the majority of these concern trade and employment that we will likely have to abide by if we want to continue to trade successfully post Brexit.
I don't think we are going to gain anything tangible from leaving (I actually don't think we will end up leaving, but if we do).
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Exactly my point. I can't see what is going to change as a result of leaving apart from not sitting at the same table as EU countries.
Immigration - most probably unchanged
Trade - most probably unchanged
The two key components of the leave campaign manifesto.
posted on 25/6/16
I need to ask but do people really have faith on whoever gonna be in charge of negotiating the exit (Boris?)
If I remember correctly, hasn't Cameron tried over the past 2-3 years to negotiate a better deal with the EU for the UK and failed (which might actually lead him to ask for the referendum)
I know this time the terms will be different but recent history has shown that the EU is a hard constitution to deal with.
posted on 25/6/16
the figures on legislation are very very fuzzy, the figure appears to be somewhere between 20% and 50%, with the higher figure being UK laws influenced by/made with reference to the EU, rather than EU law as such.
This lot have however estimated that EU regulation cost the UK economy £124bn between 1998 and 2010, or roughly £10bn a year.
http://openeurope.org.uk/intelligence/economic-policy-and-trade/still-control-measuring-eleven-years-eu-regulation/
posted on 25/6/16
It was de-regulation that lead to the last economic crash, so I am quite happy with regulation thanks.
posted on 25/6/16
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 4 minutes ago
It was de-regulation that lead to the last economic crash, so I am quite happy with regulation thanks.
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there were many many causes of the last crash, to blame it on deregulation is nonsense.
and to state the blindingly obvious the UK is perfectly capable of regulating as it sees fit, being out of the EU just means that we don't have to accept every piece of EU regulation dreamt up whether we are in favour or not.
posted on 25/6/16
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 4 minutes ago
It was de-regulation that lead to the last economic crash, so I am quite happy with regulation thanks.
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there were many many causes of the last crash, to blame it on deregulation is nonsense.
and to state the blindingly obvious the UK is perfectly capable of regulating as it sees fit, being out of the EU just means that we don't have to accept every piece of EU regulation dreamt up whether we are in favour or not.
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We wont have a say. To trade with Europe we would have to accept their laws. Outside EU we can't veto the ones we don't like. It's going to be imposed on us and if we don't like it then we can feck off and go somewhere else to trade..
posted on 25/6/16
CHF, I read your post, very balanced, very fair if I may say, on the issues. I made my decision on what I've seen and what I've heard. Not from the politicians, but from the people on the streets, the people in industries, in many ways people who you could term, with prejudice, as the 'have nots'.
I come from an industry that has been decimated by EU rules, made by non-elected EU burocracts, who've decided to ship out, at our tax paying expense, UK industries that were successful to other countries.
We have continually been net contributors to the EU purse, a purse that hasn't been signed off by its own auditors for the past twenty odd years. Corruption is rampant.
Left unchecked, the EU was destined, by its own hand, to become more centralised, burocractic. Centralised bank, currency, army, foreign policy? I could hardly wait!
For me, there was no dis-information. I felt sufficiently informed to make my decision rationally and without prejudice. That's why I voted out.
I'm very optimistic as to our future and to the future of our descendants. For me, it all depends on attitude, positive or negative.
JimmyTheRed
posted on 25/6/16
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 4 minutes ago
It was de-regulation that lead to the last economic crash, so I am quite happy with regulation thanks.
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there were many many causes of the last crash, to blame it on deregulation is nonsense.
and to state the blindingly obvious the UK is perfectly capable of regulating as it sees fit, being out of the EU just means that we don't have to accept every piece of EU regulation dreamt up whether we are in favour or not.
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We wont have a say. To trade with Europe we would have to accept their laws. Outside EU we can't veto the ones we don't like. It's going to be imposed on us and if we don't like it then we can feck off and go somewhere else to trade..
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we won't have to accept EU laws to trade with europe, no, same way China/US/Japan don't have to. they have to make sure their products/services are in accordance with EU laws, but that is a different matter.
obviously EU regulation, when incorporated into UK law, affected 100% of our trade, despite the fact that over 50% of that trade did not go to the EU.
posted on 25/6/16
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 4 minutes ago
It was de-regulation that lead to the last economic crash, so I am quite happy with regulation thanks.
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there were many many causes of the last crash, to blame it on deregulation is nonsense.
and to state the blindingly obvious the UK is perfectly capable of regulating as it sees fit, being out of the EU just means that we don't have to accept every piece of EU regulation dreamt up whether we are in favour or not.
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We wont have a say. To trade with Europe we would have to accept their laws. Outside EU we can't veto the ones we don't like. It's going to be imposed on us and if we don't like it then we can feck off and go somewhere else to trade..
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we won't have to accept EU laws to trade with europe, no, same way China/US/Japan don't have to. they have to make sure their products/services are in accordance with EU laws, but that is a different matter.
obviously EU regulation, when incorporated into UK law, affected 100% of our trade, despite the fact that over 50% of that trade did not go to the EU.
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China and USA are large populations and not comparable. Also all three parties you have mentioned above do not trade/have to trade with Europe as much as we do.
Our economy would be decimated if we have to end up with similar trade agreement. Also Japan and USA are negotiating for further trade agreement with eu.
Everyone is coming together, while for some reason we have decided go the other way.
posted on 25/6/16
UK is the single biggest export market for EU (ex UK) goods, 16% of the EU's goods find their way to the UK, just ahead of the US at 15%, and well ahead of China.
UK is the 5th biggest economy in the world, so it is more comparable to the US/Japan/China than it is to Norway.
Obviously we are heavily reliant on the EU for our exports, but the point is that both sides rely to a fair degree on the other, and it is no one's real interests to have a prolonged and bitter trade dispute.
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