comment by Better Call Zlatan - Football taught by Matt Busby (U11781)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
He is the second coming of Matthaus
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Who?
Matthaus, German guy, captained them to some gold trophy in the 90s.
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by Juan Matador (U17834)
posted 43 seconds ago
Closer to Essien? He's nothing like Essien. Essien was a proper box to box midfielder.
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No he wasn't. Mourinho used Essien as either a holding midfielder, or alternatively as an advanced midfielder, but never gave him license to do both.
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rubbish. Essien was the quintessential box to box midfielder for most his time at chelsea before his injuries
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 4 minutes ago
Matthaus, German guy, captained them to some gold trophy in the 90s.
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Who was Arab comparing as the second coming was the question.
I used to watch Lothar during his first spell with Bayern.
Think Arab is a fan, not that I see much similarity with Pogba.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Think Arab is a fan, not that I see much similarity with Pogba.
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This is what I am struggling with. I can not see any player mentioned on this thread that is remotely close to being comparable to Matthaus.
1982
Looking at our current batch of midfielders if it came to a choice of Pogba and Kante, who would you go with?
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
1982
Looking at our current batch of midfielders if it came to a choice of Pogba and Kante, who would you go with?
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Although I really want to see TFM given a shot at the DM role, it is realistically probably too much too soon to expect him to be able to make that role his own just now. Therefore, I would have to go with Kante. Especially at the values being quoted in the press. I think that a midfield of Kante and Herrera would be stronger than a midfield of any of our other DMs paired with Pogba.
However, one thing that I am interested to see if whether Blind is given the opportunity to make a claim for the DM spot. He is the closest thing that we have to Carrick and I think that he is underrated by many of our fans. He may well be the reason that Jose doesn't appear to be looking for a DM. I expect that he is very much a Jose player too, with his adaptability and seeming willingness to do whatever job he is asked. It could be a big season for Blind. My only issue is that if he were paired with Herrera, it leaves is a little short of height in the CM area.
I compare every midfielder to Matthaus, I am also a big fan of the guy
Would love to sign Kante, we'll regret not going for him.
Seems the perfect type of player for a Mourinho side and Conte will work really well with him.
VC
Pogba because he is superior but I'd still be delighted with Kante as I would Matuidi, all 3 are different though. It all boils down to how is actually attainable and also Ed has said often that we have special reserves for big purchases. So technically if we did get Pogba it wouldn't directly effect the money we have this summer for other players.
comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by Juan Matador (U17834)
posted 43 seconds ago
Closer to Essien? He's nothing like Essien. Essien was a proper box to box midfielder.
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No he wasn't. Mourinho used Essien as either a holding midfielder, or alternatively as an advanced midfielder, but never gave him license to do both.
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rubbish. Essien was the quintessential box to box midfielder for most his time at chelsea before his injuries
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He wasn't a very good one then. 25 goals in 9 years at Chelsea.
Definitely not in the Gerrard or Robson class.
Kante isn't really comparable to Makelele either, he didn't even play the deepest role for Leicester's midfield ffs.
Makelele was great at reading the game, covering positions and allowing those around him to attack.
Kante is a beast, physically he's outstanding, gets box to box, he's quick, strong, tackles but he doesn't posses anything like Makelele's brain.
Top, top #8s are few and far between. I'd take Pogba over Kante every time.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - where my muthaf'king dominoes at (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
Top, top #8s are few and far between. I'd take Pogba over Kante every time.
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Do you think we'll get Pogba though?
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - where my muthaf'king dominoes at (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
Top, top #8s are few and far between. I'd take Pogba over Kante every time.
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Do you think we'll get Pogba though?
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Probably not... This season's carrington triangle victim.
Essien was very much B2B and a brilliant one at that, just because he didn't score as many as say Robson or Gerrard didn't make him less of a B2B. BTW, Robson scored an average of 2.7 league goals a season for us compared to Essien's 2.1 for Chelsea.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
Kante isn't really comparable to Makelele either, he didn't even play the deepest role for Leicester's midfield ffs.
Makelele was great at reading the game, covering positions and allowing those around him to attack.
Kante is a beast, physically he's outstanding, gets box to box, he's quick, strong, tackles but he doesn't posses anything like Makelele's brain.
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How do you measure him not possessing Makelele's brain? Kante is everywhere and reads the game superbly and that's why he's always dispossessing everyone and intercepting everything, he just knows where to be and when and that's what makes him such a fantastic player.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Essien was very much B2B and a brilliant one at that, just because he didn't score as many as say Robson or Gerrard didn't make him less of a B2B. BTW, Robson scored an average of 2.7 league goals a season for us compared to Essien's 2.1 for Chelsea.
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but Robson's figure more than doubles if you don't limit it to league games, whereas Essien's only jumps to 2.7.
Kante and Makelele are just different players. Makalele's main role was to screen a defence with great positional play and move the ball onto more creative players. Kante has the engine to move around the pitch more and get involved further forward. Makalele works best with 2 CMs ahead to create where as Kante is able to work in a midfield pair.
I'm reserving judgement on Kante for another season. Let's see how useful he is in a team that might not have the luxury of being able to rely exclusively on the counter-attack to win games. It's easy to look like an effective defensive midfielder when you're instructed to sit 5 feet in front of the defence.
Lambeau
But goals scored doesn't define a B2B. The role is about working at both ends but there will be differences in how every players operates it. Gerrard's defensive game doesn't compare to Essien but equally Essien hasn't got the offensive game Gerrard had.
Just because Essien didn't score that many doesn't make him any less of a B2B. In other areas he was an absolute beast.
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by Juan Matador (U17834)
posted 43 seconds ago
Closer to Essien? He's nothing like Essien. Essien was a proper box to box midfielder.
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No he wasn't. Mourinho used Essien as either a holding midfielder, or alternatively as an advanced midfielder, but never gave him license to do both.
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rubbish. Essien was the quintessential box to box midfielder for most his time at chelsea before his injuries
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He wasn't a very good one then. 25 goals in 9 years at Chelsea.
Definitely not in the Gerrard or Robson class.
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poorest comment of the day goes to...so you don't think vieira was very good and was not a box to box midfielder?
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
I'm reserving judgement on Kante for another season. Let's see how useful he is in a team that might not have the luxury of being able to rely exclusively on the counter-attack to win games. It's easy to look like an effective defensive midfielder when you're instructed to sit 5 feet in front of the defence.
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I realised how this read the second I pressed send. What I mean is, it's easier to retain your defensive discipline and find your positioning in a team more focused on inviting pressure, than it is on a team camped on the edge of another team's 18 yard box.
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posted on 13/7/16
comment by Better Call Zlatan - Football taught by Matt Busby (U11781)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
He is the second coming of Matthaus
..................
Who?
posted on 13/7/16
Matthaus, German guy, captained them to some gold trophy in the 90s.
posted on 13/7/16
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by Juan Matador (U17834)
posted 43 seconds ago
Closer to Essien? He's nothing like Essien. Essien was a proper box to box midfielder.
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No he wasn't. Mourinho used Essien as either a holding midfielder, or alternatively as an advanced midfielder, but never gave him license to do both.
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rubbish. Essien was the quintessential box to box midfielder for most his time at chelsea before his injuries
posted on 13/7/16
Agree^
posted on 13/7/16
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 4 minutes ago
Matthaus, German guy, captained them to some gold trophy in the 90s.
........................
Who was Arab comparing as the second coming was the question.
I used to watch Lothar during his first spell with Bayern.
posted on 13/7/16
Think Arab is a fan, not that I see much similarity with Pogba.
posted on 13/7/16
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Think Arab is a fan, not that I see much similarity with Pogba.
......................
This is what I am struggling with. I can not see any player mentioned on this thread that is remotely close to being comparable to Matthaus.
posted on 13/7/16
1982
Looking at our current batch of midfielders if it came to a choice of Pogba and Kante, who would you go with?
posted on 13/7/16
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
1982
Looking at our current batch of midfielders if it came to a choice of Pogba and Kante, who would you go with?
--------------------
Although I really want to see TFM given a shot at the DM role, it is realistically probably too much too soon to expect him to be able to make that role his own just now. Therefore, I would have to go with Kante. Especially at the values being quoted in the press. I think that a midfield of Kante and Herrera would be stronger than a midfield of any of our other DMs paired with Pogba.
However, one thing that I am interested to see if whether Blind is given the opportunity to make a claim for the DM spot. He is the closest thing that we have to Carrick and I think that he is underrated by many of our fans. He may well be the reason that Jose doesn't appear to be looking for a DM. I expect that he is very much a Jose player too, with his adaptability and seeming willingness to do whatever job he is asked. It could be a big season for Blind. My only issue is that if he were paired with Herrera, it leaves is a little short of height in the CM area.
posted on 13/7/16
I compare every midfielder to Matthaus, I am also a big fan of the guy
posted on 13/7/16
Would love to sign Kante, we'll regret not going for him.
Seems the perfect type of player for a Mourinho side and Conte will work really well with him.
posted on 13/7/16
VC
Pogba because he is superior but I'd still be delighted with Kante as I would Matuidi, all 3 are different though. It all boils down to how is actually attainable and also Ed has said often that we have special reserves for big purchases. So technically if we did get Pogba it wouldn't directly effect the money we have this summer for other players.
posted on 13/7/16
comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by Juan Matador (U17834)
posted 43 seconds ago
Closer to Essien? He's nothing like Essien. Essien was a proper box to box midfielder.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No he wasn't. Mourinho used Essien as either a holding midfielder, or alternatively as an advanced midfielder, but never gave him license to do both.
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rubbish. Essien was the quintessential box to box midfielder for most his time at chelsea before his injuries
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He wasn't a very good one then. 25 goals in 9 years at Chelsea.
Definitely not in the Gerrard or Robson class.
posted on 13/7/16
Kante isn't really comparable to Makelele either, he didn't even play the deepest role for Leicester's midfield ffs.
Makelele was great at reading the game, covering positions and allowing those around him to attack.
Kante is a beast, physically he's outstanding, gets box to box, he's quick, strong, tackles but he doesn't posses anything like Makelele's brain.
posted on 13/7/16
Top, top #8s are few and far between. I'd take Pogba over Kante every time.
posted on 13/7/16
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - where my muthaf'king dominoes at (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
Top, top #8s are few and far between. I'd take Pogba over Kante every time.
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Do you think we'll get Pogba though?
posted on 13/7/16
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - where my muthaf'king dominoes at (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
Top, top #8s are few and far between. I'd take Pogba over Kante every time.
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Do you think we'll get Pogba though?
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Probably not... This season's carrington triangle victim.
posted on 13/7/16
Essien was very much B2B and a brilliant one at that, just because he didn't score as many as say Robson or Gerrard didn't make him less of a B2B. BTW, Robson scored an average of 2.7 league goals a season for us compared to Essien's 2.1 for Chelsea.
posted on 13/7/16
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
Kante isn't really comparable to Makelele either, he didn't even play the deepest role for Leicester's midfield ffs.
Makelele was great at reading the game, covering positions and allowing those around him to attack.
Kante is a beast, physically he's outstanding, gets box to box, he's quick, strong, tackles but he doesn't posses anything like Makelele's brain.
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How do you measure him not possessing Makelele's brain? Kante is everywhere and reads the game superbly and that's why he's always dispossessing everyone and intercepting everything, he just knows where to be and when and that's what makes him such a fantastic player.
posted on 13/7/16
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Essien was very much B2B and a brilliant one at that, just because he didn't score as many as say Robson or Gerrard didn't make him less of a B2B. BTW, Robson scored an average of 2.7 league goals a season for us compared to Essien's 2.1 for Chelsea.
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but Robson's figure more than doubles if you don't limit it to league games, whereas Essien's only jumps to 2.7.
posted on 13/7/16
Kante and Makelele are just different players. Makalele's main role was to screen a defence with great positional play and move the ball onto more creative players. Kante has the engine to move around the pitch more and get involved further forward. Makalele works best with 2 CMs ahead to create where as Kante is able to work in a midfield pair.
posted on 13/7/16
I'm reserving judgement on Kante for another season. Let's see how useful he is in a team that might not have the luxury of being able to rely exclusively on the counter-attack to win games. It's easy to look like an effective defensive midfielder when you're instructed to sit 5 feet in front of the defence.
posted on 13/7/16
Lambeau
But goals scored doesn't define a B2B. The role is about working at both ends but there will be differences in how every players operates it. Gerrard's defensive game doesn't compare to Essien but equally Essien hasn't got the offensive game Gerrard had.
Just because Essien didn't score that many doesn't make him any less of a B2B. In other areas he was an absolute beast.
posted on 13/7/16
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by Juan Matador (U17834)
posted 43 seconds ago
Closer to Essien? He's nothing like Essien. Essien was a proper box to box midfielder.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No he wasn't. Mourinho used Essien as either a holding midfielder, or alternatively as an advanced midfielder, but never gave him license to do both.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
rubbish. Essien was the quintessential box to box midfielder for most his time at chelsea before his injuries
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He wasn't a very good one then. 25 goals in 9 years at Chelsea.
Definitely not in the Gerrard or Robson class.
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poorest comment of the day goes to...so you don't think vieira was very good and was not a box to box midfielder?
posted on 13/7/16
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
I'm reserving judgement on Kante for another season. Let's see how useful he is in a team that might not have the luxury of being able to rely exclusively on the counter-attack to win games. It's easy to look like an effective defensive midfielder when you're instructed to sit 5 feet in front of the defence.
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I realised how this read the second I pressed send. What I mean is, it's easier to retain your defensive discipline and find your positioning in a team more focused on inviting pressure, than it is on a team camped on the edge of another team's 18 yard box.
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