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posted on 22/7/16

comment by HUNTING FOR GLORY (U16317)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 3 minutes ago
This is going round in circles so im off
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Probably for the best, cos you clearly dont see the problem unless its white ppl being killed
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This!

posted on 22/7/16

All lives matter. Everyone being shot is equally terrible. Always been my point.

posted on 22/7/16

comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 5 seconds ago
All lives matter. Everyone being shot is equally terrible. Always been my point.
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Digby

I doubt anyone disputes that. However the amount of unarmed black people shot recently gives the impression there is an issue of racism within police forces across the US. It's a valid argument when black people are 2.5 times more likely to be shot by police. It appears police officers are approaching black people with the pre conceived notion that they are guilty of criminal activity and armed. Recent incidents have shown this to not be the case.

Can you at least acknowledge this?

posted on 22/7/16

comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 2 minutes ago
All lives matter. Everyone being shot is equally terrible. Always been my point.
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All lives matter. But right now apparently black ones don't as they haven't since black people were taken to America. So black people are protesting and fighting for an equality that should be obvious.

Why is that so hard to understand?

posted on 22/7/16

comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 2 minutes ago
All lives matter. Everyone being shot is equally terrible. Always been my point.
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Clearly not, thats why you brought up white ppl being killed more. You think its a bigger problem for whites but since its not highlighted then it shouldn't be highlighted when a black live is killed

posted on 22/7/16

There are so many factors at play here.

Historic racial tension between the black and white communities in America.
Inherent racism within some elements of the police force.
Lack of gun control.
Large parts of the African American community glorifying gun/gang violence in their popular culture.

Nobody is disputing that all lives matter. However, the statistics show that black men are twice as likely to be a victim of a police shooting (in no small part due to the combination of reasons I've suggested above).

U.S law enforcement needs to acknowledge that there's a problem before we begin to see real change, and I would assume that a lot more could be done to improve relations with the black community (outside of the obvious that is 'stop shooting black people'.

As I white person, I think that if you see 'All lives matter' as a valid response to 'Black lives matter' then you are part of the problem.

posted on 22/7/16

That wasn't supposed to be a very inappropriately positions winking smiley. I think the apostrophe followed by the closed bracket must've created it.

posted on 22/7/16

Lambeau Leap

I know segregation is now not possible, but i honestly think America should have just created a state/country for black ppl after abolition of slavery(similar to what happned to Jews after WW2), but that's with the benefit of hindsight

posted on 22/7/16

comment by HUNTING FOR GLORY (U16317)
posted 57 seconds ago
Lambeau Leap

I know segregation is now not possible, but i honestly think America should have just created a state/country for black ppl after abolition of slavery(similar to what happned to Jews after WW2), but that's with the benefit of hindsight
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Interesting suggestion. I think it would've been a step too far even for Union whites to agree to give up their land for the black slaves they had fought to emancipate. Furthermore, there's no guarantee that it wouldn't have ultimately deepened the divide by creating an even more rigid them and us society - a physical border between the black and white community.

posted on 22/7/16

comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 15 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 31 minutes ago
They say black people in day UK cannot be racist as they don't have the authority/power


This stems from the belief that racism comes from the combination of prejudice and power, so any minority cannot be racist against the institutional power structures that are inherently racist as they hold the power and come from a base of prejudice, it's a very complex subject.

I'd highly recommend listening to this interview with Dr Umar Johnson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfS_rem1SvM

It's an hour long but fascinating on how he sees the racist issue in America and how America is fundamentally set up to marginalize black people, he's a very intelligent and articulate guy, you may not agree with everything he says ( I didn't) but he makes some excellent points I'd never considered, he is not just slamming "the white man" he speaks on how the black community does nothing to help itself and how rich black people are not willing to risk what they have to help change. Well worth it if you have the time.

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Can you get one for sectarian Irish republicanism, as you need it, bigot boy?

Yet again, I have replied to your sectarian ramblings, and you are nowhere to be seen.

My latest Reply on the, Not a fan of corbyn thread, FYI.
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Ba ha ha ha ha ha you absolute Orange donkey, go back to building bonfires and hating everyone

posted on 22/7/16

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 14 minutes ago
There are so many factors at play here.

Historic racial tension between the black and white communities in America.
Inherent racism within some elements of the police force.
Lack of gun control.
Large parts of the African American community glorifying gun/gang violence in their popular culture.

Nobody is disputing that all lives matter. However, the statistics show that black men are twice as likely to be a victim of a police shooting (in no small part due to the combination of reasons I've suggested above).

U.S law enforcement needs to acknowledge that there's a problem before we begin to see real change, and I would assume that a lot more could be done to improve relations with the black community (outside of the obvious that is 'stop shooting black people'.

As I white person, I think that if you see 'All lives matter' as a valid response to 'Black lives matter' then you are part of the problem.
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Spot on.

It's scary to see people in these debates so self obsessed about looking at things from their point of view without realising that maybe, just maybe, they can never fully understand why black people have such issues with inequality in the US and why things like BET pop up. It's not to segregate themselves from whites people.

Not at all. It's because they feel under represented in mainstream media and need to have something positive for themselves out there which young black people can relate to.

It must be such a blow to your self esteem to think that you descended from slavery. Imagine how that must affect your views on who you are and your place in this world. And then to see high levels of racism still prevalent today?

When minorities are targeted by bigots, if course they will stick together to help protect themselves

posted on 22/7/16

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posted on 22/7/16

Slavery dates back to the Roman times and even earlier.

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Agreed on this point. Let us not forget that slavery is not an exclusively white phenomenon.

The Orientals and Africans were dealing in slaves when much of Europe was made up of small nomadic tribal groups.

posted on 22/7/16

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posted on 22/7/16

Indeed slavery does go back centuries but it must be quite a raw subject for a lot of blacks people in America to know that the whole reason black people live in the Us is because their ancestors were brought over by racist slave owners.

And to still see white people in the US display such racist tendencies you don't need to be a genius to see why some people feel society wants them to remain slaves in a way.

Slaves to economic conditions and slaves to an unjust penal system.

posted on 22/7/16

comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 11 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 8 minutes ago
Yeah they're called sky and fox.
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Now whites are the minority in London,or Washington, so more white groups needed, right?
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No they aren't. Not in London at least.

posted on 22/7/16

penal system

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<insert peter griffin giggle>

posted on 22/7/16

comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 minutes ago
Slavery dates back to the Roman times and even earlier.

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Agreed on this point. Let us not forget that slavery is not an exclusively white phenomenon.

The Orientals and Africans were dealing in slaves when much of Europe was made up of small nomadic tribal groups.
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And still happening today

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36843770

I'm not trying to absolve the white explosion of slavery, but finger pointing goes in all directions.
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American slavery was extremely cruel and its not just slavery that was the problem, it was the treatment of black ppl even after the abolition of slavery, the lynching of black ppl,the senseless killings, the jim crow era, kkk.

Black ppl in America have been subjected to one of the worst atrocities in recent times, its actually unbelievable when you read or watch what they have been and are going through.

I honestly dont know why black ppl dont just leave the country, but the simple and sad fact is they actually dont have anywhere else to go, America as crazy as it is, is their home

posted on 22/7/16

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posted on 22/7/16

comment by HUNTING FOR GLORY (U16317)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 minutes ago
Slavery dates back to the Roman times and even earlier.

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Agreed on this point. Let us not forget that slavery is not an exclusively white phenomenon.

The Orientals and Africans were dealing in slaves when much of Europe was made up of small nomadic tribal groups.
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And still happening today

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36843770

I'm not trying to absolve the white explosion of slavery, but finger pointing goes in all directions.
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American slavery was extremely cruel and its not just slavery that was the problem, it was the treatment of black ppl even after the abolition of slavery, the lynching of black ppl,the senseless killings, the jim crow era, kkk.

Black ppl in America have been subjected to one of the worst atrocities in recent times, its actually unbelievable when you read or watch what they have been and are going through.

I honestly dont know why black ppl dont just leave the country, but the simple and sad fact is they actually dont have anywhere else to go, America as crazy as it is, is their home

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Desire to leave is a huge part yes... call it a weird Stockholm's Syndrome where they have such trouble there but love the country. But add to the fact that a lot of them live around or below the poverty line so perhaps do not have the skills or money to relocate.

posted on 22/7/16

comment by HUNTING FOR GLORY (U16317)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 minutes ago
Slavery dates back to the Roman times and even earlier.

-

Agreed on this point. Let us not forget that slavery is not an exclusively white phenomenon.

The Orientals and Africans were dealing in slaves when much of Europe was made up of small nomadic tribal groups.
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And still happening today

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36843770

I'm not trying to absolve the white explosion of slavery, but finger pointing goes in all directions.
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American slavery was extremely cruel and its not just slavery that was the problem, it was the treatment of black ppl even after the abolition of slavery, the lynching of black ppl,the senseless killings, the jim crow era, kkk.

Black ppl in America have been subjected to one of the worst atrocities in recent times, its actually unbelievable when you read or watch what they have been and are going through.

I honestly dont know why black ppl dont just leave the country, but the simple and sad fact is they actually dont have anywhere else to go, America as crazy as it is, is their home

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Liberia was set up in the 19th century as a home to freed slaves. I guess in today's equivalent a sort of Israel for people that had lived through a terrible event in history.

I imagine a lot of black people in the US see themselves as much as an American as they do an African.

You can totally see why things like BET exist. It beggars belief why some white people see it as racist to white people.

posted on 22/7/16

comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Paul Robbga (U20351)
posted 58 seconds ago
Indeed slavery does go back centuries but it must be quite a raw subject for a lot of blacks people in America to know that the whole reason black people live in the Us is because their ancestors were brought over by racist slave owners.

And to still see white people in the US display such racist tendencies you don't need to be a genius to see why some people feel society wants them to remain slaves in a way.

Slaves to economic conditions and slaves to an unjust penal system.
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A fact, and a rather uncomfortable one, is that due to having slavery ancestory, is that many black people living in America have a much better life than if their forefathers weren't taken to the US.

Your second paragraph is where the focus needs to be. Questions need to be asked on both sides and a resolution needs to be forthcoming. White people are generally in power (dont bring up Obama), but having a Black Panther type of movement is not the solution.

Why are blacks more likely to be shot by policemen? Are the reasons justified? What can be done to combat these issues?

Being a cop in the US is a terrible job. It is low paid and you may die. Let that sink in... A split decision can make you a killer or your children fatherless. Horrible.
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It is a tough job but no-one forced them into it. If they don't have the strength to be restrained when approaching a black man without immediately reaching for their gun, they are in the wrong job.

But black people have been asking questions. Literally for years. So it now requires white people and the justice system to respond truthfully to those questions and concerns in order to move things forward.

posted on 22/7/16

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posted on 22/7/16

Arguably the most significant root issue is gun control, but America (or the majority of it's populace) doesn't want to face up to that.

If every citizen is a potential gun carrier then incidents like this are bound to occur.

Throw in a bit of racial tension and mistrust between the black community and the cops and it's no surprise that these killings happen so frequently. We shouldn't overlook the fact that thousands of white people a year are also killed by the police in the US when we are looking at the wider issue of gun related deaths across America.

It's a moot point now though. They can't repeal gun laws because there are too many guns out there. Take away the right of regular citizens to bear arms and you'll inevitably see a rise in gun crime.

posted on 22/7/16

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