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Here's an argument against intelligent design (unless put on Earth as a decoy or something)

https://twitter.com/DFORT16
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I feel queasy trying to understand this.
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Robben post read hard words copy clinton evil cool.
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What is the painting of the vase about with a flower and an old king in the corner that he's tweeted to loads of people?

Dean Barrett ‏@DFORT16 3h

@johnwb2032 like tree cool call them the lungs of God may do poetry along lines cool


Dean Barrett ‏@DFORT16 3h

@DanielEganUK check out part time motor trader policy drive any car



Just... what?
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Think the picture may have the family coat of arms on it but who knows what's going on there?
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Ah

He's claiming that he has direct lineage to the pre-German monarchy

https://twitter.com/DFORT16/status/773647103105064960

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comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
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comment by Robben (U1145)
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comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
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comment by Robben (U1145)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 59 seconds ago
Here's an argument against intelligent design (unless put on Earth as a decoy or something)

https://twitter.com/DFORT16
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I feel queasy trying to understand this.
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Robben post read hard words copy clinton evil cool.
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What is the painting of the vase about with a flower and an old king in the corner that he's tweeted to loads of people?

Dean Barrett ‏@DFORT16 3h

@johnwb2032 like tree cool call them the lungs of God may do poetry along lines cool


Dean Barrett ‏@DFORT16 3h

@DanielEganUK check out part time motor trader policy drive any car



Just... what?
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Think the picture may have the family coat of arms on it but who knows what's going on there?
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Ah

He's claiming that he has direct lineage to the pre-German monarchy

https://twitter.com/DFORT16/status/773647103105064960
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Import low rank German plastic s***!

The guy is clearly bonkers or it is a social experiment to see how many he can draw in. When all is said and done though - Celtic shall beat City!

You can't have aspects of one thing and bits of other things and call it Sharia. It's like Hull or Sunderland buying United Reserve players and now calling them Man United.

CurrentlyInChina84 -

Given that scholars and religious leaders disagree regarding the correct implementation and interpretation of Sharia, you will never see a practice of it that will be deemed 100% legitimate.
As I've said with all religious text, it's content makes it open to various forms of interpretation.

comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
Zlatanariyan -

While no Islamic country may have enforced Sharia in it's totality (although interpretation of how the laws should be practiced differ from scholar to scholar anyway), several Islamic nations have implemented aspects of Sharia or Islamic ruling into the laws of the land.

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If anybody studied what Sharia was like during the Prophets (pbuh) time, they would quickly realise that it doesn't resembling what is happening in most Muslim countries.

People have to realise that the rules and laws (sharia) in predominately Muslim countries is being enforced mainly by dictators imposed on civilians by outside forces like the CIA etc

It would be unfair to view people like the Saudi Royals and Assad as some kind of guardians of the Islamic faith.

Further more these laws are supposed to be enforced by one person, a Khalifa. Somebody that would unit Muslims but has suspiciously been labelled extremist.

If you want an accurate picture of what Sharia is I suggest reading up on how it was enforced by true leaders.

comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 9 minutes ago
CurrentlyInChina84 -

Given that scholars and religious leaders disagree regarding the correct implementation and interpretation of Sharia, you will never see a practice of it that will be deemed 100% legitimate.
As I've said with all religious text, it's content makes it open to various forms of interpretation.
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Which parts do they disagree on?

Sharia is broad.

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comment by CurrentlyInChina84 (U11181)
posted 55 minutes ago
You can't have aspects of one thing and bits of other things and call it Sharia. It's like Hull or Sunderland buying United Reserve players and now calling them Man United.
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Equally, there's not a single Christian I've met or even heard about who lives their life in accordance with all the directions laid out in the Bible.

comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
Here's an argument against intelligent design (unless put on Earth as a decoy or something)

https://twitter.com/DFORT16
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Thanks for this Diafol. Obviously a WUM, but still hilarious.

"8 weeks short haul Clinton serious linked ISIS this is madness as U.K. Pedo gov TV"

comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
Zlatanariyan -

While no Islamic country may have enforced Sharia in it's totality (although interpretation of how the laws should be practiced differ from scholar to scholar anyway), several Islamic nations have implemented aspects of Sharia or Islamic ruling into the laws of the land.

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There isn't an Islamic country today. Hasn't been for decades. Those of us who study Islam know this to be a basic thing.

Sharia is either complete or it isn't sharia

Also there is no "interpretation" in Islam. There is a process and its either followed or not. This interpretation issue is easily explained by the example of Saudi where you either teach and preach what is goverment approved or you get jailed and die.

No Muslim should see Saudi as even Islamic never mind Bastian's of our faith as non Muslims portray them

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comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
Here's an argument against intelligent design (unless put on Earth as a decoy or something)

https://twitter.com/DFORT16
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Thanks for this Diafol. Obviously a WUM, but still hilarious.

"8 weeks short haul Clinton serious linked ISIS this is madness as U.K. Pedo gov TV"


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He says he's got a book out as well. I've checked and it's available to buy. Saw another account today praising Hitler. The funny part (if you can call it that) is the type of followers it attracted.

comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 27 minutes ago
CurrentlyInChina84 -

Given that scholars and religious leaders disagree regarding the correct implementation and interpretation of Sharia, you will never see a practice of it that will be deemed 100% legitimate.
As I've said with all religious text, it's content makes it open to various forms of interpretation.
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Your last sentence isn't true tbh. I appreciate it happens but text itself says it shouldn't.

I like to use the women as priests issue here, biblically it shouldn't happen (not saying its right or wrong here or even does the bible say it).

If scripture says no then it shouldn't even be a discussion. By saying it is they have done away with their own belief and not simply interpreted it different

Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* -

I don't think anyone considers Assad as a guardian of the Islamic world since he's never claimed to govern Syria under an Islamic system. Saudi, on the other hand, often uses religious text to justify the laws they've instilled. They even seek out various religious figures to help implement these laws correctly. It isn’t exactly difficult to find Islamic religious clerics supporting similar ideas to those that are practiced in Saudi.

I get contradictory information regarding Sharia depending on what Islamic source I look at – making it difficult to get a clear idea on the practice of it.
Scholars will disagree on many aspects, such as the suitable and correct punishments given to those who break any of the Islamic laws.

The reason why anyone who wishes to unit Muslims under a Caliph is often looked upon suspiciously as being an extremist is because they almost certainly would be an extremist. Much in the same way a Christian who wanted to turn Europe into a single nation under Biblical law would be regarded as an extremist and a dangerous presence.
I don’t even necessarily oppose the concept of a Caliphate in the Middle East if the people were in support of it. However, I don’t think it would end up being a pleasant thing.

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comment by The Sniper (U21079)
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Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* -

I don't think anyone considers Assad as a guardian of the Islamic world since he's never claimed to govern Syria under an Islamic system. Saudi, on the other hand, often uses religious text to justify the laws they've instilled. They even seek out various religious figures to help implement these laws correctly. It isn’t exactly difficult to find Islamic religious clerics supporting similar ideas to those that are practiced in Saudi.

I get contradictory information regarding Sharia depending on what Islamic source I look at – making it difficult to get a clear idea on the practice of it.
Scholars will disagree on many aspects, such as the suitable and correct punishments given to those who break any of the Islamic laws.

The reason why anyone who wishes to unit Muslims under a Caliph is often looked upon suspiciously as being an extremist is because they almost certainly would be an extremist. Much in the same way a Christian who wanted to turn Europe into a single nation under Biblical law would be regarded as an extremist and a dangerous presence.
I don’t even necessarily oppose the concept of a Caliphate in the Middle East if the people were in support of it. However, I don’t think it would end up being a pleasant thing.
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These issues of punishment are not that complicated and if we look at them from an Islamic perspective

Govt like Saudi make stuff up, no doubt, but as I said it is far removed from sharia

In the past the tartars did similar and were labelled non Muslim. Saudi are seen as such by Muslims who know their faith

comment by Galvin : 'Just put your ass in the sink' (U10415)
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Same with gay marriage.......why would you want to marry a loved one in the presence of a God who would burn you for all eternity? after he made you as someone who likes men? You really are a bit mixed up.
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Its an interesting discussion about gay marriage and the motives of those who were at the forefront of wanting it.

We get people who claim religion living in sin and preferring that but wanting rights of inheritance and the like

And then we get people who are not religious have those rights under civil partnerships but want to marry, marriage being a religious thing in the main

How much is about equality and how much is it about mischief making

Zlatanariyan -

While it’s easy to say that no true Islamic country is around today, I don't we'll ever see one being established in which there is an overwhelming consensus among Muslims that Sharia is being implemented 100% correctly there. There will still be disputes like there always is. There are various schools of thought within Islam after all. There are sects within sects.

comment by The Sniper (U21079)
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Zlatanariyan -

While it’s easy to say that no true Islamic country is around today, I don't we'll ever see one being established in which there is an overwhelming consensus among Muslims that Sharia is being implemented 100% correctly there. There will still be disputes like there always is. There are various schools of thought within Islam after all. There are sects within sects.

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I agree there are sects. This was something we know about. The Prophet in Islam said my ummah will have 73 sects and basically only 1 will be on the right path. When asked which one was right he explained it and warned of sectarianism. Today we have people clinging to a certain belief despite evidence so we label certain as such based on teaching

As for the schools of thought then there is 4, however they didn't differ on the fundamentals and were never meant to be followed the way some do today. The very people in whose name they are founded would disagree with what goes on in their name

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Zlatanariyan -

I think sectarianism will always be an issue within any religion and even if it doesn't exist at first, it will come into existence once an ideology grows. Disputes will always come about, especially if the ideology has complexities and contains many aspects within it.