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The idea of a christian caliphate in europe is interesting....alongside humanist one's, of course.

Perhaps we could do a people swap with christians in muslim lands, and vice versa, so we can live happily apart, as that is what a muslm caliphate, under sharia suggests to me???

comment by The Sniper (U21079)
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Zlatanariyan -

I think sectarianism will always be an issue within any religion and even if it doesn't exist at first, it will come into existence once an ideology grows. Disputes will always come about, especially if the ideology has complexities and contains many aspects within it.

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This, sadly, as man makes a mess of all he touches

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Same with gay marriage.......why would you want to marry a loved one in the presence of a God who would burn you for all eternity? after he made you as someone who likes men? You really are a bit mixed up.
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Its an interesting discussion about gay marriage and the motives of those who were at the forefront of wanting it.

We get people who claim religion living in sin and preferring that but wanting rights of inheritance and the like

And then we get people who are not religious have those rights under civil partnerships but want to marry, marriage being a religious thing in the main

How much is about equality and how much is it about mischief making
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I dunno if it's wishful (yet wishy-washy_ thinking on their part...in the sense that if I believe that God made me....and made me gay....then he obviously can't condemn me for it...and therefore I should have the same right to marry as heterosexual couples.....
Dunno....always thought it a bit weird to want to declare your love in a place that doesn't recognise you....
It's like vegans and vegetarians buying alternatives that look like cuts of meat......vegan bacon? bacon only comes from a cut OF meat....a dead animal....why would you WANT to eat something that looks like that? ...I digress......
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From my understanding, working in fields I have, one if the fallouts from brexit has been a sort of delay in the charge of the intentions behind the fight for gaay marriage

Basically the likes of thatchell and the "fight" for right of marriage was all about getting the rights and then turning up to mosques and churches and saying marry us or we will take you to court for discrimination etc.

This was one reason why it took so long and so called "protections" for religious institutions were built into the bill. Thatchel at al agrees to these stipulations simply as they believed that they could challenge these later under human rights etc in the European courts

Then brexit happens, despite the belief rhatbit wouldn't even by advocates of it

Works in mysterious ways my friend

comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 7 minutes ago
Zlatanariyan -

I think sectarianism will always be an issue within any religion and even if it doesn't exist at first, it will come into existence once an ideology grows. Disputes will always come about, especially if the ideology has complexities and contains many aspects within it.

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Whilst I agree with most of that I am not convinced the complexities are as big as you seem to suggest, IMO anyway

I think the biggest problem for religion is those who feel they have to blend in or explain everything and thus either compromise or change something undermining themselves

There are plenty of gay folk in the wider reformed church, some in the catholic church, but virtually none in islam.
We have openly clergy in protestant churches, and gay marriage in what was RC Eire.....and in traditionalist NI.

All about tolerance, respect and love dudes, as God is love😁

comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
The idea of a christian caliphate in europe is interesting....alongside humanist one's, of course.

Perhaps we could do a people swap with christians in muslim lands, and vice versa, so we can live happily apart, as that is what a muslm caliphate, under sharia suggests to me???
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Far from it IMO. Living together isn't an issue. Even having own laws isn't an issue.

If Muslims followed proper Islam and Christians proper Christianity then there is little.dispute really

Its the versions that cause the conflict

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There are plenty of gay folk in the wider reformed church, some in the catholic church, but virtually none in islam.
We have openly clergy in protestant churches, and gay marriage in what was RC Eire.....and in traditionalist NI.

All about tolerance, respect and love dudes, as God is love😁
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Strange thing is the biblical God is less about love from scripture

Female mosques and gaay mosques exist too

But the issue is one of why not be gaay but accept then it isn't either of these religions. Or in the case of Islam, which I have studied in greater detail tbh, being an alcoholic or adulterer in itself doesnt make you a disbeliever. Its saying it is allowed within the faith that does.

This gets missed out a lot IMO.

FYI je suis, mate.

There have been racist and islamiphobic attacks on the new islamic centre in Belfast, and only yesterday out cycling, I saw fresh anti-muslim and anti-polish slogans.
This is all fairly recent, in the past year or two, and as smeone from the Protestant loyalist community, I condemn these natzi type skum who do this

Belfast also witnessed Jewish graves being smashed, possibly by celtic thugs after their team were fined following the game with Israeli's

Religion, eh.

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comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
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The idea of a christian caliphate in europe is interesting....alongside humanist one's, of course.

Perhaps we could do a people swap with christians in muslim lands, and vice versa, so we can live happily apart, as that is what a muslm caliphate, under sharia suggests to me???
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Far from it IMO. Living together isn't an issue. Even having own laws isn't an issue.

If Muslims followed proper Islam and Christians proper Christianity then there is little.dispute really

Its the versions that cause the conflict
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Actually, that is so true, if only we put into action what is preached, rather than distorting to hate and divide.

I doubt the truly devout muslim or jew or christian are attacking each other?

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comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
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The idea of a christian caliphate in europe is interesting....alongside humanist one's, of course.

Perhaps we could do a people swap with christians in muslim lands, and vice versa, so we can live happily apart, as that is what a muslm caliphate, under sharia suggests to me???
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Far from it IMO. Living together isn't an issue. Even having own laws isn't an issue.

If Muslims followed proper Islam and Christians proper Christianity then there is little.dispute really

Its the versions that cause the conflict
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Actually, that is so true, if only we put into action what is preached, rather than distorting to hate and divide.

I doubt the truly devout muslim or jew or christian are attacking each other?
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Unfortunately too many people out there with power who ultimately benefit from conflict and use religion to masses who are in essence uneducated even in what they claim to follow

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comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
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There are plenty of gay folk in the wider reformed church, some in the catholic church, but virtually none in islam.
We have openly clergy in protestant churches, and gay marriage in what was RC Eire.....and in traditionalist NI.

All about tolerance, respect and love dudes, as God is love😁
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Strange thing is the biblical God is less about love from scripture

Female mosques and gaay mosques exist too

But the issue is one of why not be gaay but accept then it isn't either of these religions. Or in the case of Islam, which I have studied in greater detail tbh, being an alcoholic or adulterer in itself doesnt make you a disbeliever. Its saying it is allowed within the faith that does.

This gets missed out a lot IMO.
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Old testament tends to have a stronger message on many issues, such as eye for an eye, and no shellfish, or man laying down with anothr man,,but the New Testament is more God is love.

I have been told about gay mosques, but there is a hardline attitude to homosexuality among many followers of islam, n comarison to wider society, surely
In belfast we have the same viewsby some protestant and catholic conservatives, and I know more orhodox jews have similar opinions on gay matters.

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comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
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The idea of a christian caliphate in europe is interesting....alongside humanist one's, of course.

Perhaps we could do a people swap with christians in muslim lands, and vice versa, so we can live happily apart, as that is what a muslm caliphate, under sharia suggests to me???
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Far from it IMO. Living together isn't an issue. Even having own laws isn't an issue.

If Muslims followed proper Islam and Christians proper Christianity then there is little.dispute really

Its the versions that cause the conflict
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Actually, that is so true, if only we put into action what is preached, rather than distorting to hate and divide.

I doubt the truly devout muslim or jew or christian are attacking each other?
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Unfortunately too many people out there with power who ultimately benefit from conflict and use religion to masses who are in essence uneducated even in what they claim to follow


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Yup, the religous wars in Eurow, Spanish inqusition, anti and pro-reformation massacres, civil strife in NI and Eire, muslim v christian in Africa and the ME, jew v arab muslim in Israel and Palestine, sunni v shia to this day, the Ottoman empire and slaughter of Armenians by turks.

Foreign policy from blair and bush, combined with crazy leaders such as Saddam, Gadaffi and Assad have allowed islamist extremists to stir the pot too.

I see the conversation has moved from alien gods then.

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I see the conversation has moved from alien gods then.
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I was gonna chime in in relation to the original post... but I guess there's no point to that anymore

comment by Genius_AppleCart_Space_Dude_Featuring_Zorak (U19099)
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I see the conversation has moved from alien gods then.
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Yup, we are on muslim v jew vulcans now.

For what it's worth though, aliens shouldn't shake anyone's faith...

The creation of man is insignificant to the rest of what's out there... so the existence of aliens shouldn't knock a religious person's socks off...

As for aliens calling themselves Gods... they can do one... Many men have claimed the same in the past... so they'd something more original

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comment by Genius_AppleCart_Space_Dude_Featuring_Zorak (U19099)
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I see the conversation has moved from alien gods then.
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I was gonna chime in in relation to the original post... but I guess there's no point to that anymore
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Fair point.

I would find out if the aliens on said OP spaceship were good Rangers supporting Protestants, loyal to faith and Queen, and if not, why not?

Then I would tell them what to believe and how to think, and if that failed, start a war with them, repent and live in peace.

This thread title sounds like a really dull panel based game show...

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comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
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The idea of a christian caliphate in europe is interesting....alongside humanist one's, of course.

Perhaps we could do a people swap with christians in muslim lands, and vice versa, so we can live happily apart, as that is what a muslm caliphate, under sharia suggests to me???
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Far from it IMO. Living together isn't an issue. Even having own laws isn't an issue.

If Muslims followed proper Islam and Christians proper Christianity then there is little.dispute really

Its the versions that cause the conflict
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Actually, that is so true, if only we put into action what is preached, rather than distorting to hate and divide.

I doubt the truly devout muslim or jew or christian are attacking each other?
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Unfortunately too many people out there with power who ultimately benefit from conflict and use religion to masses who are in essence uneducated even in what they claim to follow


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Yup, the religous wars in Eurow, Spanish inqusition, anti and pro-reformation massacres, civil strife in NI and Eire, muslim v christian in Africa and the ME, jew v arab muslim in Israel and Palestine, sunni v shia to this day, the Ottoman empire and slaughter of Armenians by turks.

Foreign policy from blair and bush, combined with crazy leaders such as Saddam, Gadaffi and Assad have allowed islamist extremists to stir the pot too.


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lets be honest from the crusades to the ireland conflict its never really been about religion