comment by (Kash) I'm the Mané, I'm the ... (U1108)
posted 2 minutes ago
Could someone name me the top 5 games for Fabregas for Arsenal?
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Off the top of my head
Juventus home
Milan away
A game v Blackburn where he demolished them, scoring one and assisting 3 or 4 in open play.
Man Utd at OT.
Villa or Spurs, maybe Real as the 5th?
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by (Kash) I'm the Mané, I'm the ... (U1108)
posted 2 minutes ago
Could someone name me the top 5 games for Fabregas for Arsenal?
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Off the top of my head
Juventus home
Milan away
A game v Blackburn where he demolished them, scoring one and assisting 3 or 4 in open play.
Man Utd at OT.
Villa or Spurs, maybe Real as the 5th?
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Ahh yes he did used to play well against Spurs
The AC Milan and Madrid away games were more down to team being compact and riding your luck. Cesc the individual did not stand out.
I can't remember the Man U performance at OT unless it was the FA cup game.
Blackburn and Villa
These are hardly player defining games. I can remember the great games Lampard has had, even the great games Viera played but with Cesc I am struggling.
Cesc vs Milan was a great individual performance. Got that goal to get us through. There were countless times where he stood out. Pick any of the first 19 games in the 07/8 season, and a few more later that season
What this thread is proving is just how criminally underrated Fabregas' time at Arsenal was - and I used to be a subscriber to that.
The man, from the age of 19, was the heartbeat and the everything of a team in flux and a constant state of transition during the premier league's most competitive and most quality soaked era. There isn't another player of that age who could have carried teams and a midfield containing Flamini, Denilson, Song, Eboe, whilst feeding the likes of Bendtner, Adebayor and others. The man, at one point, was a one man creative and controlling crux the likes of which this league has never seen given the style of football generally played over here.
The fact that people are asking for defining games is hysterical and indicative of why English football is the w-nkfest it is. If you don't have statz~! or goalz~! or aren;t running aruond, nobody's paying attention to just how much your complete control of the game is at best, keeping your opposition ragged and at worst (like many of those times were for Cesc at Arsenal) keeping his team from drowning. How many definitive, stand out games does a Xavi have? Or Pirlo? Or Riquelme? The kind of players for whom Fabregas' style of play favourably compares to. He wasn;t all action and high octane, he was the spoon that stirred the pot and he did that as well as any young player ever had, or ever could in those circumstances.
The AC Milan and Madrid away games were more down to team being compact and riding your luck. Cesc the individual did not stand out.
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This is why you can never win. People are so dimissive.
Here is a couple of match reports from the Milan game...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7272514.stm
(Fabregas controlled the game, even outshining Kaka)
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2008/mar/05/match.arsenal
( but the manner in which Fábregas reclaimed his best form when it was most needed raises the hopes for this team... Fábregas dominated)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-526453/Wenger-hails-perfect-Gunners-Cesc-inspires-Arsenal-glory-Milan.html
(Arsenal controlled the tie and had a stunning 55 per cent of the possession the San Siro. ) - Riding our luck
comment by (Kash) I'm the Mané, I'm the Mané - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by (Kash) I'm the Mané, I'm the ... (U1108)
posted 2 minutes ago
Could someone name me the top 5 games for Fabregas for Arsenal?
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Off the top of my head
Juventus home
Milan away
A game v Blackburn where he demolished them, scoring one and assisting 3 or 4 in open play.
Man Utd at OT.
Villa or Spurs, maybe Real as the 5th?
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Ahh yes he did used to play well against Spurs
The AC Milan and Madrid away games were more down to team being compact and riding your luck. Cesc the individual did not stand out.
I can't remember the Man U performance at OT unless it was the FA cup game.
Blackburn and Villa
These are hardly player defining games. I can remember the great games Lampard has had, even the great games Viera played but with Cesc I am struggling.
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Admit it; you didn't watch either game did you?
*any of those games rather.
Particularly the two European games. We didn't ride our luck in either of them.
I put the Villa one in, even though he didn't start the game nor finish it. More of a game to show his fighting spirit.
Cesc was on the bench because of a groin problem (I think), but we were struggling to break Villa down. Cesc came on, inspired us to victory with 2 goals, but at the cost of re-injuring himself when scoring the second. Easily comparable to Gerrard, tbf.
The fact Kash put a next to Villa shows he doesn't actually understand the situation of the game. At kick off we were level on points with Villa in 3rd and 4th, only 4 or 5 off the top.
The lad clearly didn't watch the Milan games. We absolutely facking battered Milan over both legs. Hleb and Cesc stood out in the home leg which ridiculously ended a draw after our total dominance and Cesc stood out again as we controlled the 2nd leg.
Fabregas was outstanding throughout our run to the finals in 2006.
I remember he and Rosicky ran Man U ragged at OT in '06/07. Tbh, he had a lot of outstanding big games and trying to isolate them is ridiculous. Many happen to buy into hackneyed points about how our team has always been filled with bottlers.
The thing that gets me about this thread is how good peoples memory is. I can barely remember our last game.
I can even remember where I watched a lot of those games.
Cesc was a great player for us but towards the end of his time he did slow our play down quite a lot, just as Shrek is doing for united . That also appears to be the reason why he is not getting a regular place with Chelsea this season. Maybe like Rooney he peaked early and now at the relatively young age of 29 finds himself on a downward slope.
There is only one answer to your question...I heard that she was under Wenger for quite some time.
http://deadspin.com/5684651/arsene-wenger-responds-to-allegations-of-affair-with-french-rapper-sonia-tatar
The bin dippers have been owned. Cesc was high quality for Arsenal.
No one was saying he wasn't quality. Some of you are quite weird.
Robbing
Tbf you did try to downplay his ability by condescendingly saying we were overrating him.
Herbie & DJ destroying those fackin scouse mugs
how have we been mugged off?
OK so the Milan away was not a smash and grab unlike Madrid away but no one has proved to me that he was even close to Gerrard or Lampard. Like I said before he always started a season on fire and then burnt out by Xmas.
Did the same for Chelsea too
comment by DubbedTheNewWenger90 (U19529)
posted 11 hours, 38 minutes ago
Robbing
Tbf you did try to downplay his ability by condescendingly saying we were overrating him.
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That's not down playing his ability. That's just a fair appraisal.
Fabregas has a fine touch and is as good a short passer in the game but he has not been as an effective 6, 8 or 10 than Gerrard and this is demonstrable through out their careers. Lampard has had a far more successful career also.
More to the point the erroneous stuff about what I have written is wide spread on this thread and your board thoroughly deserves it's reputation.
Cesc hasn't been a more effective number 10? Are you having a laugh? Even though Cesc used to regularly finish as the top assister and chance creator in both Europe and more importantly the UK?
I'm curious. How did you come to this conclusion?
If anything it is Gerrard who is overrated imo. Sure he's had a few inspirational moments in his career. But his ability has been overblown.
I could remember when people had him on par with Kaka.
Yes by professionals who know the game if memory serves.
I came to the conclusion by noting goals as well as assists and all round impact and influence. Gerrard behind Torres was as good as anything Cesc produced.
Like I say good player but no one outside Arsenal holds him in such high regard. He's an after though when people talk of that Barca side.
You're entitled to your opinion, and Cesc was a world class player, but also one that has serious limitations and ones that are being borne out now having recently turned the ripe of age of 29.
comment by (Kash) I'm the Mané, I'm the ... (U1108)
posted 4 hours, 1 minute ago
how have we been mugged off?
OK so the Milan away was not a smash and grab unlike Madrid away but no one has proved to me that he was even close to Gerrard or Lampard. Like I said before he always started a season on fire and then burnt out by Xmas.
Did the same for Chelsea too
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CL knockout games before Christmas
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 32 minutes ago
Yes by professionals who know the game if memory serves.
I came to the conclusion by noting goals as well as assists and all round impact and influence. Gerrard behind Torres was as good as anything Cesc produced.
Like I say good player but no one outside Arsenal holds him in such high regard. He's an after though when people talk of that Barca side.
You're entitled to your opinion, and Cesc was a world class player, but also one that has serious limitations and ones that are being borne out now having recently turned the ripe of age of 29.
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And Gerrard was what in his last 3/4 seasons...? Give it a rest mate.
OK so the Milan away was not a smash and grab unlike Madrid away but no one has proved to me that he was even close to Gerrard or Lampard. Like I said before he always started a season on fire and then burnt out by Xmas.
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We dominated the Madrid game at the Bernabeu too. Smash and grab. Admit it, you didn't see a single one of these games you're waffling about.
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posted on 19/9/16
comment by (Kash) I'm the Mané, I'm the ... (U1108)
posted 2 minutes ago
Could someone name me the top 5 games for Fabregas for Arsenal?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Off the top of my head
Juventus home
Milan away
A game v Blackburn where he demolished them, scoring one and assisting 3 or 4 in open play.
Man Utd at OT.
Villa or Spurs, maybe Real as the 5th?
posted on 19/9/16
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by (Kash) I'm the Mané, I'm the ... (U1108)
posted 2 minutes ago
Could someone name me the top 5 games for Fabregas for Arsenal?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Off the top of my head
Juventus home
Milan away
A game v Blackburn where he demolished them, scoring one and assisting 3 or 4 in open play.
Man Utd at OT.
Villa or Spurs, maybe Real as the 5th?
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Ahh yes he did used to play well against Spurs
The AC Milan and Madrid away games were more down to team being compact and riding your luck. Cesc the individual did not stand out.
I can't remember the Man U performance at OT unless it was the FA cup game.
Blackburn and Villa
These are hardly player defining games. I can remember the great games Lampard has had, even the great games Viera played but with Cesc I am struggling.
posted on 19/9/16
Cesc vs Milan was a great individual performance. Got that goal to get us through. There were countless times where he stood out. Pick any of the first 19 games in the 07/8 season, and a few more later that season
posted on 19/9/16
What this thread is proving is just how criminally underrated Fabregas' time at Arsenal was - and I used to be a subscriber to that.
The man, from the age of 19, was the heartbeat and the everything of a team in flux and a constant state of transition during the premier league's most competitive and most quality soaked era. There isn't another player of that age who could have carried teams and a midfield containing Flamini, Denilson, Song, Eboe, whilst feeding the likes of Bendtner, Adebayor and others. The man, at one point, was a one man creative and controlling crux the likes of which this league has never seen given the style of football generally played over here.
The fact that people are asking for defining games is hysterical and indicative of why English football is the w-nkfest it is. If you don't have statz~! or goalz~! or aren;t running aruond, nobody's paying attention to just how much your complete control of the game is at best, keeping your opposition ragged and at worst (like many of those times were for Cesc at Arsenal) keeping his team from drowning. How many definitive, stand out games does a Xavi have? Or Pirlo? Or Riquelme? The kind of players for whom Fabregas' style of play favourably compares to. He wasn;t all action and high octane, he was the spoon that stirred the pot and he did that as well as any young player ever had, or ever could in those circumstances.
posted on 19/9/16
Herbie
Well said.
posted on 19/9/16
The AC Milan and Madrid away games were more down to team being compact and riding your luck. Cesc the individual did not stand out.
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This is why you can never win. People are so dimissive.
Here is a couple of match reports from the Milan game...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7272514.stm
(Fabregas controlled the game, even outshining Kaka)
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2008/mar/05/match.arsenal
( but the manner in which Fábregas reclaimed his best form when it was most needed raises the hopes for this team... Fábregas dominated)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-526453/Wenger-hails-perfect-Gunners-Cesc-inspires-Arsenal-glory-Milan.html
(Arsenal controlled the tie and had a stunning 55 per cent of the possession the San Siro. ) - Riding our luck
posted on 19/9/16
comment by (Kash) I'm the Mané, I'm the Mané - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by (Kash) I'm the Mané, I'm the ... (U1108)
posted 2 minutes ago
Could someone name me the top 5 games for Fabregas for Arsenal?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Off the top of my head
Juventus home
Milan away
A game v Blackburn where he demolished them, scoring one and assisting 3 or 4 in open play.
Man Utd at OT.
Villa or Spurs, maybe Real as the 5th?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ahh yes he did used to play well against Spurs
The AC Milan and Madrid away games were more down to team being compact and riding your luck. Cesc the individual did not stand out.
I can't remember the Man U performance at OT unless it was the FA cup game.
Blackburn and Villa
These are hardly player defining games. I can remember the great games Lampard has had, even the great games Viera played but with Cesc I am struggling.
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Admit it; you didn't watch either game did you?
posted on 19/9/16
*any of those games rather.
Particularly the two European games. We didn't ride our luck in either of them.
posted on 19/9/16
I put the Villa one in, even though he didn't start the game nor finish it. More of a game to show his fighting spirit.
Cesc was on the bench because of a groin problem (I think), but we were struggling to break Villa down. Cesc came on, inspired us to victory with 2 goals, but at the cost of re-injuring himself when scoring the second. Easily comparable to Gerrard, tbf.
The fact Kash put a next to Villa shows he doesn't actually understand the situation of the game. At kick off we were level on points with Villa in 3rd and 4th, only 4 or 5 off the top.
posted on 19/9/16
The lad clearly didn't watch the Milan games. We absolutely facking battered Milan over both legs. Hleb and Cesc stood out in the home leg which ridiculously ended a draw after our total dominance and Cesc stood out again as we controlled the 2nd leg.
Fabregas was outstanding throughout our run to the finals in 2006.
I remember he and Rosicky ran Man U ragged at OT in '06/07. Tbh, he had a lot of outstanding big games and trying to isolate them is ridiculous. Many happen to buy into hackneyed points about how our team has always been filled with bottlers.
posted on 19/9/16
The thing that gets me about this thread is how good peoples memory is. I can barely remember our last game.
posted on 19/9/16
I can even remember where I watched a lot of those games.
posted on 19/9/16
Cesc was a great player for us but towards the end of his time he did slow our play down quite a lot, just as Shrek is doing for united . That also appears to be the reason why he is not getting a regular place with Chelsea this season. Maybe like Rooney he peaked early and now at the relatively young age of 29 finds himself on a downward slope.
posted on 19/9/16
There is only one answer to your question...I heard that she was under Wenger for quite some time.
http://deadspin.com/5684651/arsene-wenger-responds-to-allegations-of-affair-with-french-rapper-sonia-tatar
posted on 19/9/16
The bin dippers have been owned. Cesc was high quality for Arsenal.
posted on 19/9/16
No one was saying he wasn't quality. Some of you are quite weird.
posted on 19/9/16
Robbing
Tbf you did try to downplay his ability by condescendingly saying we were overrating him.
posted on 20/9/16
Herbie & DJ destroying those fackin scouse mugs
posted on 20/9/16
how have we been mugged off?
OK so the Milan away was not a smash and grab unlike Madrid away but no one has proved to me that he was even close to Gerrard or Lampard. Like I said before he always started a season on fire and then burnt out by Xmas.
Did the same for Chelsea too
posted on 20/9/16
comment by DubbedTheNewWenger90 (U19529)
posted 11 hours, 38 minutes ago
Robbing
Tbf you did try to downplay his ability by condescendingly saying we were overrating him.
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That's not down playing his ability. That's just a fair appraisal.
Fabregas has a fine touch and is as good a short passer in the game but he has not been as an effective 6, 8 or 10 than Gerrard and this is demonstrable through out their careers. Lampard has had a far more successful career also.
More to the point the erroneous stuff about what I have written is wide spread on this thread and your board thoroughly deserves it's reputation.
posted on 20/9/16
Cesc hasn't been a more effective number 10? Are you having a laugh? Even though Cesc used to regularly finish as the top assister and chance creator in both Europe and more importantly the UK?
I'm curious. How did you come to this conclusion?
If anything it is Gerrard who is overrated imo. Sure he's had a few inspirational moments in his career. But his ability has been overblown.
I could remember when people had him on par with Kaka.
posted on 20/9/16
Yes by professionals who know the game if memory serves.
I came to the conclusion by noting goals as well as assists and all round impact and influence. Gerrard behind Torres was as good as anything Cesc produced.
Like I say good player but no one outside Arsenal holds him in such high regard. He's an after though when people talk of that Barca side.
You're entitled to your opinion, and Cesc was a world class player, but also one that has serious limitations and ones that are being borne out now having recently turned the ripe of age of 29.
posted on 20/9/16
comment by (Kash) I'm the Mané, I'm the ... (U1108)
posted 4 hours, 1 minute ago
how have we been mugged off?
OK so the Milan away was not a smash and grab unlike Madrid away but no one has proved to me that he was even close to Gerrard or Lampard. Like I said before he always started a season on fire and then burnt out by Xmas.
Did the same for Chelsea too
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CL knockout games before Christmas
posted on 20/9/16
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 32 minutes ago
Yes by professionals who know the game if memory serves.
I came to the conclusion by noting goals as well as assists and all round impact and influence. Gerrard behind Torres was as good as anything Cesc produced.
Like I say good player but no one outside Arsenal holds him in such high regard. He's an after though when people talk of that Barca side.
You're entitled to your opinion, and Cesc was a world class player, but also one that has serious limitations and ones that are being borne out now having recently turned the ripe of age of 29.
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And Gerrard was what in his last 3/4 seasons...? Give it a rest mate.
posted on 20/9/16
OK so the Milan away was not a smash and grab unlike Madrid away but no one has proved to me that he was even close to Gerrard or Lampard. Like I said before he always started a season on fire and then burnt out by Xmas.
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We dominated the Madrid game at the Bernabeu too. Smash and grab. Admit it, you didn't see a single one of these games you're waffling about.
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