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comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
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comment by Planète des Singes - "..we will conquer the ball..! "🎬🚀🌎💣🎇🙈🙉🙊🌏🗽 (U4158)
posted 49 seconds ago
On a positive note, the EU continues to be a fertile ground for budding entrepreneurs looking to expand their businesses in markets across member states.

UK consumers, in particular, have benefited from a range of regional start-up opportunities within the rental property sector...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-38841587

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Not exactly an indictment for the UK.

More like the UK is a fertile ground to accommodate such activities.

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Well, that's one way of interpreting it.....

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Doubt there will be a mass exodus. We will see.

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What do you base your doubts on?
1) The Commonwealth
2) European legislation
3) Financial sectors reliance on the NHS
4) Because the country is called Great Britain (through virtue of having England, Scotland and Wales on one land mass)
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I don't see panic in the City like some people do.

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Why would they panic? Or be panicking?

As the Parisian delegation have shown, the City are being wooed by a couple of suitors.. they're relaxed knowing their services are in demand and will calmly consider offers on the table.
They'll also know the government will bend over backwards to try and match whatever is on offer elsewhere.

Tell me why they would be panicking?

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comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 35 minutes ago
Those who complain about the leader of the free world coming here are hypocrites, haters and losers

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Leader of the free world?

hope your tongue plunged straight through your cheek on that one.
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😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

The American President is though!

The City of London (FS lobbying group) has already dropped it's case for passporting.

They have pretty much begged the government to negotiate for a transitional deal. Yet, it appears there is no appetite from the government to do so.

Good piece on FS on the House of lords select committee website:

https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201617/ldselect/ldeucom/81/8109.htm#_idTextAnchor066

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 11 minutes ago
Lots were saying the City will go t!ts up after brexit. Maybe you are not one of those.

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why would they panic when people will be clamouring for them to operate from their territories.

Your comment made zero sense, which is only right as it was based on zero.

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comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
The City of London (FS lobbying group) has already dropped it's case for passporting.

They have pretty much begged the government to negotiate for a transitional deal. Yet, it appears there is no appetite from the government to do so.

Good piece on FS on the House of lords select committee website:

https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201617/ldselect/ldeucom/81/8109.htm#_idTextAnchor066

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Actually May did say that the government wants there to be a transition period between negotiations ending, Brexit process beginning and the eventual unravelling of industry bonds.

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 5 minutes ago
Cheers for the insult. Bye.

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Don't get so precious, at least give a view on why you commented such.

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 5 minutes ago
Cheers for the insult. Bye.

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Don't get so precious, at least give a view on why you commented such.
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For a Leeds man, cal is too soft for the cut and thrust on here,IMO.

How is the big jag going, Redin....better than Liverpool,,mate😀?

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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 6 minutes ago
Tbh when I have time I will debate. But not when I am occupied elsewhere.
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Fair enough.

How is the big jag going, Redin....better than Liverpool,,mate

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Much better.. seeing as I'm very happy with it, which is not the same as Liverpool.

Interesting read whichever way you voted from Dominic Cummings (Vote Leave Director) here with a pretty honest assessment of how the referendum was won.

A few words of warning:

1. It's very long (~20k words).
2. It's a little repetitive at times.
3. It helps if you're familiar with Anna Karenina.
4. In trying to come across as stark and modest, Dominic appears quite the opposite at certain points.

https://dominiccummings.wordpress.com/2017/01/09/on-the-referendum-21-branching-histories-of-the-2016-referendum-and-the-frogs-before-the-storm-2/

It's a petty damning indictment on British politics (or maybe just politics?) and the SW1 bubble.

comment by Dean Sturridge's Nephü (Formerly LGT) (U13718)
posted 7 hours, 58 minutes ago
Interesting read whichever way you voted from Dominic Cummings (Vote Leave Director) here with a pretty honest assessment of how the referendum was won.

A few words of warning:

1. It's very long (~20k words).
2. It's a little repetitive at times.
3. It helps if you're familiar with Anna Karenina.
4. In trying to come across as stark and modest, Dominic appears quite the opposite at certain points.

https://dominiccummings.wordpress.com/2017/01/09/on-the-referendum-21-branching-histories-of-the-2016-referendum-and-the-frogs-before-the-storm-2/

It's a petty damning indictment on British politics (or maybe just politics?) and the SW1 bubble.
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Read pieces of the blog but it's a long piece!!

He was interviewed by the commons select committee, on Leave's leafleting, and propaganda machine. A short version (excruciating view):

https://youtu.be/qvRHlEjWRSE

Not sure if he went on to mention the firm they used to target voters. Trump went on to use them too:

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/big-data-cambridge-analytica-brexit-trump

Scary stuff.

Stu, I think he references his use of physicists and has written a separate blog about that (which I haven't read).

What is really concerning to me is his suggestion that the £350m bus was the deciding factor in winning the referendum and his admission that everyone at VL knew it was complete nonsense but it was justified because Remain were also fabricating numbers.

All this referendum has shown me is that there is little, if any, integrity left in politics.

Dean Sturridge's Nephü

Agree. The campaign basically became a bull sh 1t ter contest.

I can remember watching some of the debates in disbelief when lie after lie was raised, without a single challenge from the moderator. A quick fact check on the web (even Wikipedia) disproves practically every single claim made by Vote Leave.

I often read comments about Osborne’s emergency budget, and “financial Armageddon”.

Whilst it remains to be seen how much damage leaving the EU will inflict to the economy, people seem to overlook the fact that the government have already had to borrow an additional £60 billion to administer Brexit.

We also have to settle our outstanding EU liabilities, (anything between £30 and £50 billion). With the UK taxpayer covering the bill.

The UK has long had a disconnect from Europe and ‘joe public’ were therefore (I believe) more susceptible to (both campaigns) the misinformation. Most couldn’t even name their MEP, never mind their purpose.

Will read the rest of that blog you posted later but from what I’ve read so far Cummings is pretty much saying Vote Leave knew their claims were fabricated/false but (as Remain were ahead in the polls) put them out as a last resort.

The £350m a week bus was actually genius.

There comes a moment where numbers don't mean anything, when you're talking tens of billions over years.., however making the number andthe time period relatable..

ie millions of people are on a p/w wage, the figure £350m is a heck of a lot but it still means something. They applied it to something all the people on the p/w wage would need - The NHS.

Sure it's a complete fabrication, but it worked.

Redinthehead

Agree. Especially linking in to the NHS. An extremely emotive subject.

In the years to come, when ‘joe public’ realises Brexit will damage the NHS, and there will be no additional funds for it whatsoever, those who instigated the claim are not forgotten!

Stu, I fear we may be creating an echo chamber here but I agree with all your points. Don't forget that the BoE will also soon be forced to raise interest rates to reign in inflation, at a time when short term consumer debt is at its highest point in history.

OK, raising interest rates will benefit savers and should discourage people taking on more debt which in the long run is a good thing given the last 10 years of monetary policy but it will be very painful in the short term for those in debt and with mortgages and may lead to more defaults and less money in the pocket of the average man on the street. There was a recent report saying 16m people don't even have £100 in savings so the poorest in society will not be benefiting from the forthcoming raise in rates (no surprise there). Less credit being available may also harm the High Street, which seems to be riding the wave of our consumer-driven growth economy.

For me, we need a big Keynesian stimulus in the near future but with the Tories in power and no meaningful opposition this is very unlikely. The obvious area to target for me is housebuilding - we have a chronic shortage of supply and the skills required (brickies, labourers, etc) can be relatively easily acquired by a workforce therefore providing meaningful employment and affordable housing could be achieved in the same policy.

As for the bus, Red nailed it - it was relatable and emotive nonsense. It kind of underlines why referenda are generally a poor form of democracy.

Dean Sturridge's

Agree (echo chamber )

But you’re right. A read a good analogy that if you put a frog in jar full of boiling water it would immediately jump out. But put a frog in cold water, and slowly turn up the heat, it will…well you get the picture. The same could be applied to the current situation.

Many are revelling that “Armageddon” did not occur. However when you look at the financial forecasts, they were based on Cameron invoking a50 directly after the result, and without certainty of customs union, SM access.

Predictions are only as good as the data available, and given the uncertainty surrounding our future trading relationship with Europe, most offered their best guess. There has obviously been a downturn due to sterling devaluation but Brexit consequences will take many years to become apparent. All EU treaties and commerce arrangements will remain in place until 01 April 2019 at the earliest.

But as both parties are intent on placing politics ahead of economics it doesn’t bode well for the less well off. I hope May is either playing ‘rope-a-dope’ or bluffing when she says that the UK will walk away from a “bad deal” as the consequences of no deal will literally result in the ‘cliff edge’ businesses have warned about.

So it looks like the High Street may already be slowing down without the rise in interest rates. Down 0.3% on December which is understandable but only up 1.5% on last Jan which once inflation is accounted for is surely a YoY decrease in real terms.

Is this just a blip or the beginning of a slide? Figures suggest prices are only going to go up as retailers start drip feeding the devaluation of Sterling into their prices. Interesting times ahead.

I believe ‘input prices’ (manufacturing costs) have risen over 20% (due to pound depreciation) and to date retailers have been absorbing these costs.

As the pound has remained low, inflation has continued to rise. Recall reading it is now the highest since 2014.

How much of the 20% is passed on to customers remains to be seen. And also how much Brexit will be used for profiteering!

Tony Blair is one of the most hated men in Britain does he really think anyone cares about his opinions. Does anyone agree with him about rising up against Brexit, surely it's time for everyone to accept it and try and unite in some way instead of spreading even more division.