The last election was a referendum on Arlene, RHI and sections of DUP being hostile to Irish language, which was sectarian, end of....SF and DUP dislike each other, shocker.
Right away, Gerry Adams crawls up north and starts with triumphalism united Ireland patter, putting his wee Michelle puppet in the background again.
Michelle was not elected, but an Adams plant, and a masterstroke, as she smiled whilst Arlene snarled about crocodilesπ
DUP and Arlene got much wrong, but at the count behind Arlene, SF waved flags, gloated, and those directly involved in trying to murder her dad, locked her.
Not all bigots are in the DUP, and when the next election comes in June 8th, SF may get a surprise in response to their bigots!
Hec
SNP aim for a ref in Autumn 2018.......you know, that once in a generation decision they lost recently??
Doubt Gerry will be doing ra jig before thenπ
However, if you like sectarianism, tension, division et al, keep the nationalist and republican hopes up!
Twuly, twuly, progressive so it is.
I do not mind if the DUP and Arlene get a slap, but replacing them with facists in pseudo liberal SF clothing is negative and toxic.
TBAB
Political arguments aside, depending on the severity of Brexit, a united Ireland may be the only way for NI to remain economically viable.
Whilst at present, even if there was a border poll, it would be rejected. In the future, if things play out the way the Tories seem to want, and NI faces considerable prolonged hardship, I would imagine public opinion might change.
NI already receives more (per head of population) from the UK government than any other region. The Government have announced a 3-6% cut in public spending. So going forward, we’re going to receive considerably less money from Westminster, no essential EU subsidies, which will be compounded by the increased costs of living.
By the way, I would like NI to remain as is, and would vote so if there was a poll at the moment. But the reality is that a united Ireland is closer than any other time since 1921 due to Brexit consequences.
One of the many protections the EU provide to the agri industry are EU tariff quotas.
These prevent the UK market being flooded with cheaper foreign imports. For example if a country exports say 100,000 tonnes of chicken to the UK, there is a set WTO tariff rate.
Once the 100,000 tonne threshold has been reached, the WTO export tariffs increase substantially. Thus protecting the EU/UK markets. When we leave the EU these EU tariff quotas will no longer apply.
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I can't wait to see the UK approach to GMO once they leave the EU.
If they are really looking at strengthen the trades with the US, then they will have to change their stance.
comment by Wenger destroying the club the same way Pete destroying the thread (U10012)
posted 40 minutes ago
One of the many protections the EU provide to the agri industry are EU tariff quotas.
These prevent the UK market being flooded with cheaper foreign imports. For example if a country exports say 100,000 tonnes of chicken to the UK, there is a set WTO tariff rate.
Once the 100,000 tonne threshold has been reached, the WTO export tariffs increase substantially. Thus protecting the EU/UK markets. When we leave the EU these EU tariff quotas will no longer apply.
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I can't wait to see the UK approach to GMO once they leave the EU.
If they are really looking at strengthen the trades with the US, then they will have to change their stance.
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Was reading a bit about GM foods a while back, and they’re not supposed to be as bad as some believe. Will be enjoying a burger or two in Orlando this summer
However if GMO enter the UK market, then it’s going to be much harder for the UK to export, (barrier free as the government profess) to the EU. Our largest market. As GM foods are pretty much banned across Europe, so UK exports will subject to enhanced country of origin customs checks.
But the same premise goes with any bilateral free trade agreement.
Both countries will seek to harmonise regulations and laws to enable the easiest/uncomplicated access to goods and services.
The larger nation/economy will always look to impose their requirements on the other.
Tbab
Chomp chomp...
But you have to face reality, NI economy is based on agriculture, take the subsidy away and all bets are off...
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 11 hours, 18 minutes ago
Tbab
Chomp chomp...
But you have to face reality, NI economy is based on agriculture, take the subsidy away and all bets are off...
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Hec
ππππππππ
Easy bait me, bud.
As I get older, the day to day reality of life means I no longer fear Erin......might retire to Donegal, actually.
Pearce.
I admit that brexit has spooked Irish Nat's here, thus boosting that vote, and as a leaver, part of me reflects on my part in our potential downfall?Woops!
I have never seen a convincing economic argument for leaving sixty five million in the UK, to team up with Eire, where emigration to the UK, and weaker economy have been virtually constant from the formation of the republic.
I would still take my chances in the UK, post brexit, rather than rely on Dublin to look after us eejits.
Costa del Provo
You'll need a visa to enter the EU.
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 3 hours, 36 minutes ago
Pearce.
I admit that brexit has spooked Irish Nat's here, thus boosting that vote, and as a leaver, part of me reflects on my part in our potential downfall?Woops!
I have never seen a convincing economic argument for leaving sixty five million in the UK, to team up with Eire, where emigration to the UK, and weaker economy have been virtually constant from the formation of the republic.
I would still take my chances in the UK, post brexit, rather than rely on Dublin to look after us eejits.
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Post brexit NI would be moving from a relatively closed UK market of circa 65m (with various trade restrictions) and regaining unhindered access to the largest trading bloc in the planet. A growing market of 500m.
Plus we would be able to avail of free trade agreements with 68 (and counting - possibly the UK too) other countries.
Economically it would be a no brainer.
Whilst heritage foods are not particularly significant in the grand scheme of things, I think it’s a shame the future of these smaller cottage type businesses are being placed at serious risk
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Taking back control... ?
Can't even effectively control who can use British heritage foods GI post-Brexit!
Strained relations between the EU & Turkey doesn't bode well.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39242707
Interesting game Erdogan plays.
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He seems like he excessively loves power, the coup collapse emboldened him and he thinks he's infallible. Dangerous man
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39255181
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Interesting to see if NI or/and Wales try to follow.
I didn't realise that Article 50 could be triggered as soon as tomorrow
comment by Wenger destroying the club the same way Pete destroying the thread (U10012)
posted 6 minutes ago
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39255181
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Interesting to see if NI or/and Wales try to follow.
I didn't realise that Article 50 could be triggered as soon as tomorrow
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In all likelihood will be invoked as soon (Tuesday or Wednesday) as the a50 bill attains royal assent.
HoL’s will not amend bill again when government (probably today) send it back to them rejecting the two amendments.
Had to laugh at May's weak jibe at Sturgeon yesterday, saying she was 'playing politics with the country's future'.
Eh...is that not what politicians do, play politics?
And Ruth Davidson chipping in with 'Nicola Sturgeon has wanted to take Scotland out of the UK since she was 15'...that would be why she joined the Scottish Nationalists then Ruth.
honestly, those responses are amateurish.
I didn't want Scotland to leave the UK the last time but circumstances have changed, the SNP clearly stated that there would be no new calls for a 2nd referendum unless there was a fundamental change in UK policy, id say Brexit was a fundamental change and as Scotland voted unanimously to Remain, Sturgeon would be remiss if she didn't want a 2nd referendum, she has the mandate to call it and would be letting her electorate down if she didn't.
What a mess, don't know how which way i'll want it to go, just hope its a repeat of the last semi-decent, majority fact based debate and not an utter fiasco like the lie fuelled, fear-pedalling Brexit campaign.
Not sure if it was arrogance, naivety, or a bit of both but Theresa May has handled this terribly.
After the referendum vote last year, it was fairly obvious the SNP would be calling for a Scottish referendum. The situation was certainly delicate.
The government could have placated the SNP by engaging with them, or at least offering an olive branch in regard to Brexit. Time and again May ignored the SNP, and their requests to even raise the possibility of EEA membership.
The government then announced the UK would be leaving the SM and customs union, without even consulting the devolved executives.
Sturgeon’s announcement has actually given May another headache in regard to Brexit.
Firstly before the Great Repel Bill can proceed, the Scottish Executive have to ratify. And David Davies’ (a fantasy IMO) desire to negotiate a FTA with the EU as part of the a50 negotiations are now pretty much dead in the water. In that the government cannot negotiate a trade deal with the EU until Scotland’s future is resolved.
I don't know if it is arrogance from the PM but there is definitely an air of it coming from the general public.
Almost like "let the scottish go, there are nothing without us".
I was watching the BBC news this morning and the journalist almost patronising was telling a woman whom I think was scottish MP that in case of independancy, Scotland would have tough negotiation with the EU to remain in the SM which wasn't guaranteed.
The woman nicely replied that we were already in tough negotiation with the EU about the hard brexit but in this current case, we even didn't what were the terms.
What a mess, don't know how which way i'll want it to go, just hope its a repeat of the last semi-decent, majority fact based debate and not an utter fiasco like the lie fuelled, fear-pedalling Brexit campaign.
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Between you & I, if Theresa May allow for a second referendum (unlikely), I don't think any debate would be needed tbh. The outcome would be a huge majority for yes this time and I think this is the reason the PM would be against.
I think the SNP have played this quite well, (whether you agree with independence or not).
In that public opinion will be swayed by the economic climate. Which will certainly be inferior in one or two years’ time. The SNP will cite Brexit, and its economic consequences.
Two years of continual inflation, (food, oil, gas, etc) will hit people in the pocket. Which I expect the SNP will try to take advantage of.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 28 seconds ago
I think the SNP have played this quite well, (whether you agree with independence or not).
In that public opinion will be swayed by the economic climate. Which will certainly be inferior in one or two years’ time. The SNP will cite Brexit, and its economic consequences.
Two years of continual inflation, (food, oil, gas, etc) will hit people in the pocket. Which I expect the SNP will try to take advantage of.
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EU court bans Muslim head scarves today, from workplaces....and crosses, etc.
France were labelled racist islamophobes for this.
Pearce
Right after the SNP nationalist statement, did you notice SF here play the old border poll united Ireland card, again.
Nationalist stirrings are dangerous, and referendums or border polls will cause tension.
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 28 seconds ago
I think the SNP have played this quite well, (whether you agree with independence or not).
In that public opinion will be swayed by the economic climate. Which will certainly be inferior in one or two years’ time. The SNP will cite Brexit, and its economic consequences.
Two years of continual inflation, (food, oil, gas, etc) will hit people in the pocket. Which I expect the SNP will try to take advantage of.
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EU court bans Muslim head scarves today, from workplaces....and crosses, etc.
France were labelled racist islamophobes for this.
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Not sure what relevance this has in regard to Scottish independence?
TBAB
Gerry Adams was interviewed on Andrew Marr last Sunday and he made no apologies for the fact that SF were using Brexit as a vehicle to promote unification. Hardly surprising a politician takes advantage of a situation to further a cause.
Despite advocating a pro-EU stance, SF voted against the Lisbon Treaty down south (twice). Which is further evidence they’re not pro-EU, but are *happy* to be if it leads to a border poll.
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posted on 10/3/17
The last election was a referendum on Arlene, RHI and sections of DUP being hostile to Irish language, which was sectarian, end of....SF and DUP dislike each other, shocker.
Right away, Gerry Adams crawls up north and starts with triumphalism united Ireland patter, putting his wee Michelle puppet in the background again.
Michelle was not elected, but an Adams plant, and a masterstroke, as she smiled whilst Arlene snarled about crocodilesπ
DUP and Arlene got much wrong, but at the count behind Arlene, SF waved flags, gloated, and those directly involved in trying to murder her dad, locked her.
Not all bigots are in the DUP, and when the next election comes in June 8th, SF may get a surprise in response to their bigots!
posted on 10/3/17
Hec
SNP aim for a ref in Autumn 2018.......you know, that once in a generation decision they lost recently??
Doubt Gerry will be doing ra jig before thenπ
However, if you like sectarianism, tension, division et al, keep the nationalist and republican hopes up!
Twuly, twuly, progressive so it is.
I do not mind if the DUP and Arlene get a slap, but replacing them with facists in pseudo liberal SF clothing is negative and toxic.
posted on 10/3/17
TBAB
Political arguments aside, depending on the severity of Brexit, a united Ireland may be the only way for NI to remain economically viable.
Whilst at present, even if there was a border poll, it would be rejected. In the future, if things play out the way the Tories seem to want, and NI faces considerable prolonged hardship, I would imagine public opinion might change.
NI already receives more (per head of population) from the UK government than any other region. The Government have announced a 3-6% cut in public spending. So going forward, we’re going to receive considerably less money from Westminster, no essential EU subsidies, which will be compounded by the increased costs of living.
By the way, I would like NI to remain as is, and would vote so if there was a poll at the moment. But the reality is that a united Ireland is closer than any other time since 1921 due to Brexit consequences.
posted on 10/3/17
One of the many protections the EU provide to the agri industry are EU tariff quotas.
These prevent the UK market being flooded with cheaper foreign imports. For example if a country exports say 100,000 tonnes of chicken to the UK, there is a set WTO tariff rate.
Once the 100,000 tonne threshold has been reached, the WTO export tariffs increase substantially. Thus protecting the EU/UK markets. When we leave the EU these EU tariff quotas will no longer apply.
===========
I can't wait to see the UK approach to GMO once they leave the EU.
If they are really looking at strengthen the trades with the US, then they will have to change their stance.
posted on 10/3/17
comment by Wenger destroying the club the same way Pete destroying the thread (U10012)
posted 40 minutes ago
One of the many protections the EU provide to the agri industry are EU tariff quotas.
These prevent the UK market being flooded with cheaper foreign imports. For example if a country exports say 100,000 tonnes of chicken to the UK, there is a set WTO tariff rate.
Once the 100,000 tonne threshold has been reached, the WTO export tariffs increase substantially. Thus protecting the EU/UK markets. When we leave the EU these EU tariff quotas will no longer apply.
===========
I can't wait to see the UK approach to GMO once they leave the EU.
If they are really looking at strengthen the trades with the US, then they will have to change their stance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Was reading a bit about GM foods a while back, and they’re not supposed to be as bad as some believe. Will be enjoying a burger or two in Orlando this summer
However if GMO enter the UK market, then it’s going to be much harder for the UK to export, (barrier free as the government profess) to the EU. Our largest market. As GM foods are pretty much banned across Europe, so UK exports will subject to enhanced country of origin customs checks.
But the same premise goes with any bilateral free trade agreement.
Both countries will seek to harmonise regulations and laws to enable the easiest/uncomplicated access to goods and services.
The larger nation/economy will always look to impose their requirements on the other.
posted on 10/3/17
Tbab
Chomp chomp...
But you have to face reality, NI economy is based on agriculture, take the subsidy away and all bets are off...
posted on 11/3/17
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 11 hours, 18 minutes ago
Tbab
Chomp chomp...
But you have to face reality, NI economy is based on agriculture, take the subsidy away and all bets are off...
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Hec
ππππππππ
Easy bait me, bud.
As I get older, the day to day reality of life means I no longer fear Erin......might retire to Donegal, actually.
posted on 11/3/17
Pearce.
I admit that brexit has spooked Irish Nat's here, thus boosting that vote, and as a leaver, part of me reflects on my part in our potential downfall?Woops!
I have never seen a convincing economic argument for leaving sixty five million in the UK, to team up with Eire, where emigration to the UK, and weaker economy have been virtually constant from the formation of the republic.
I would still take my chances in the UK, post brexit, rather than rely on Dublin to look after us eejits.
posted on 11/3/17
Costa del Provo
You'll need a visa to enter the EU.
posted on 11/3/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 3 hours, 36 minutes ago
Pearce.
I admit that brexit has spooked Irish Nat's here, thus boosting that vote, and as a leaver, part of me reflects on my part in our potential downfall?Woops!
I have never seen a convincing economic argument for leaving sixty five million in the UK, to team up with Eire, where emigration to the UK, and weaker economy have been virtually constant from the formation of the republic.
I would still take my chances in the UK, post brexit, rather than rely on Dublin to look after us eejits.
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Post brexit NI would be moving from a relatively closed UK market of circa 65m (with various trade restrictions) and regaining unhindered access to the largest trading bloc in the planet. A growing market of 500m.
Plus we would be able to avail of free trade agreements with 68 (and counting - possibly the UK too) other countries.
Economically it would be a no brainer.
posted on 11/3/17
Whilst heritage foods are not particularly significant in the grand scheme of things, I think it’s a shame the future of these smaller cottage type businesses are being placed at serious risk
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Taking back control... ?
Can't even effectively control who can use British heritage foods GI post-Brexit!
posted on 11/3/17
Strained relations between the EU & Turkey doesn't bode well.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39242707
Interesting game Erdogan plays.
posted on 11/3/17
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posted on 11/3/17
He seems like he excessively loves power, the coup collapse emboldened him and he thinks he's infallible. Dangerous man
posted on 13/3/17
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39255181
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Interesting to see if NI or/and Wales try to follow.
I didn't realise that Article 50 could be triggered as soon as tomorrow
posted on 13/3/17
comment by Wenger destroying the club the same way Pete destroying the thread (U10012)
posted 6 minutes ago
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39255181
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Interesting to see if NI or/and Wales try to follow.
I didn't realise that Article 50 could be triggered as soon as tomorrow
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In all likelihood will be invoked as soon (Tuesday or Wednesday) as the a50 bill attains royal assent.
HoL’s will not amend bill again when government (probably today) send it back to them rejecting the two amendments.
posted on 14/3/17
Had to laugh at May's weak jibe at Sturgeon yesterday, saying she was 'playing politics with the country's future'.
Eh...is that not what politicians do, play politics?
And Ruth Davidson chipping in with 'Nicola Sturgeon has wanted to take Scotland out of the UK since she was 15'...that would be why she joined the Scottish Nationalists then Ruth.
honestly, those responses are amateurish.
I didn't want Scotland to leave the UK the last time but circumstances have changed, the SNP clearly stated that there would be no new calls for a 2nd referendum unless there was a fundamental change in UK policy, id say Brexit was a fundamental change and as Scotland voted unanimously to Remain, Sturgeon would be remiss if she didn't want a 2nd referendum, she has the mandate to call it and would be letting her electorate down if she didn't.
What a mess, don't know how which way i'll want it to go, just hope its a repeat of the last semi-decent, majority fact based debate and not an utter fiasco like the lie fuelled, fear-pedalling Brexit campaign.
posted on 14/3/17
Not sure if it was arrogance, naivety, or a bit of both but Theresa May has handled this terribly.
After the referendum vote last year, it was fairly obvious the SNP would be calling for a Scottish referendum. The situation was certainly delicate.
The government could have placated the SNP by engaging with them, or at least offering an olive branch in regard to Brexit. Time and again May ignored the SNP, and their requests to even raise the possibility of EEA membership.
The government then announced the UK would be leaving the SM and customs union, without even consulting the devolved executives.
Sturgeon’s announcement has actually given May another headache in regard to Brexit.
Firstly before the Great Repel Bill can proceed, the Scottish Executive have to ratify. And David Davies’ (a fantasy IMO) desire to negotiate a FTA with the EU as part of the a50 negotiations are now pretty much dead in the water. In that the government cannot negotiate a trade deal with the EU until Scotland’s future is resolved.
posted on 14/3/17
I don't know if it is arrogance from the PM but there is definitely an air of it coming from the general public.
Almost like "let the scottish go, there are nothing without us".
I was watching the BBC news this morning and the journalist almost patronising was telling a woman whom I think was scottish MP that in case of independancy, Scotland would have tough negotiation with the EU to remain in the SM which wasn't guaranteed.
The woman nicely replied that we were already in tough negotiation with the EU about the hard brexit but in this current case, we even didn't what were the terms.
posted on 14/3/17
What a mess, don't know how which way i'll want it to go, just hope its a repeat of the last semi-decent, majority fact based debate and not an utter fiasco like the lie fuelled, fear-pedalling Brexit campaign.
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Between you & I, if Theresa May allow for a second referendum (unlikely), I don't think any debate would be needed tbh. The outcome would be a huge majority for yes this time and I think this is the reason the PM would be against.
posted on 14/3/17
I think the SNP have played this quite well, (whether you agree with independence or not).
In that public opinion will be swayed by the economic climate. Which will certainly be inferior in one or two years’ time. The SNP will cite Brexit, and its economic consequences.
Two years of continual inflation, (food, oil, gas, etc) will hit people in the pocket. Which I expect the SNP will try to take advantage of.
posted on 14/3/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 28 seconds ago
I think the SNP have played this quite well, (whether you agree with independence or not).
In that public opinion will be swayed by the economic climate. Which will certainly be inferior in one or two years’ time. The SNP will cite Brexit, and its economic consequences.
Two years of continual inflation, (food, oil, gas, etc) will hit people in the pocket. Which I expect the SNP will try to take advantage of.
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EU court bans Muslim head scarves today, from workplaces....and crosses, etc.
France were labelled racist islamophobes for this.
posted on 14/3/17
Pearce
Right after the SNP nationalist statement, did you notice SF here play the old border poll united Ireland card, again.
Nationalist stirrings are dangerous, and referendums or border polls will cause tension.
posted on 14/3/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 28 seconds ago
I think the SNP have played this quite well, (whether you agree with independence or not).
In that public opinion will be swayed by the economic climate. Which will certainly be inferior in one or two years’ time. The SNP will cite Brexit, and its economic consequences.
Two years of continual inflation, (food, oil, gas, etc) will hit people in the pocket. Which I expect the SNP will try to take advantage of.
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EU court bans Muslim head scarves today, from workplaces....and crosses, etc.
France were labelled racist islamophobes for this.
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Not sure what relevance this has in regard to Scottish independence?
posted on 14/3/17
TBAB
Gerry Adams was interviewed on Andrew Marr last Sunday and he made no apologies for the fact that SF were using Brexit as a vehicle to promote unification. Hardly surprising a politician takes advantage of a situation to further a cause.
Despite advocating a pro-EU stance, SF voted against the Lisbon Treaty down south (twice). Which is further evidence they’re not pro-EU, but are *happy* to be if it leads to a border poll.
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