Remoaners!

Move on ffs!

Tory lickspittles brainwashed by the Daily Mail and The Sun don't like to think the world has moved on, having the Brexit wool pulled over their eyes to avoid the obvious, happy with austerity, happy with the privatisation of the NHS, happy with a new Trident at the expense of public services.

None so blind that cannot see,

*None so blind that cannot see,

WILL not see


Apologies for my Abbott-esque misspeaking..

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For anyone interested I posted on another thread in regard to the 'no deal' scenario which has been mooted by some:

http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/367796

Corbyn just doesn't have what it takes sadly, he doesn't get his message across in the right way. If I was him I would just hold rallies and use social media, completely bypass mainstream media. Maybe he can close the gap if he campaigns well but don't see any way he can win. Lib dems will do very well I think so if May facks up, coalition of the rest is the only option. but very unlikely looking at it now. Labour were going downhill long before Corbyn was leader so it's not really his fault. And they are jus stuck in the middle of brexit Tories and remain Lib Dems so they have no proper message.

"And they are jus stuck in the middle of brexit Tories and remain Lib Dems so they have no proper message."

You know this a General Election, right?

Whilst I like certain Labour’s policies, and agree with a lot of what Corbyn says he’s not a great leader. He’s a longstanding Eurosceptic, (despite his decision to join the Remain campaign – yes he was there).

There also seems to be a disconnect within the Labour party in getting policies across to the public. Have a lot of time for Hilary Benn, and believe (in the future) Labour would be better served as him as leader.

IMO Labour have/will dodge a bullet losing this election anyway.

There also seems to be a disconnect within the Labour party in getting policies across to the public. Have a lot of time for Hilary Benn, and believe (in the future) Labour would be better served as him as leader.

IMO Labour have/will dodge a bullet losing this election anyway.
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Funny you said that because I always thought the only way Labour could win the election is for Corbyn to step aside and let someone's else lead.
Theresa May's campaign for the GE is solely around her leadership because she recognised the general public have doubt about Corbyn's.

May's campaign seems fairly contemptuous of the public - it's the pointless Brexit part 2, the meaningless "strong and stable" and the complete refusal to talk about anything remotely important. Amazing that she had the brazen cheek to say others "play games" in politics when it's the bedrock of her career.

She is a bare faced liar, but people seem to like that about the woman. At least she doesn't wear a Cardie, I suppose.

While recent elections have been hard to call, I think Labour are fighting a losing battle.

And whilst I loathe the Tories from top to bottom, at least Davies and Barnier know each other, (both sat on a panel of European affairs in the 90’s).

Whether that is of comfort to us all remains to be seen mind you

I remember saying to a mate in 2010 that the level of austerity that was being planned over the next five years would harm public services to such an extent that the Tories would be consigned to oblivion for at least a decade post 2015. I think it speaks volumes about Labour's current incompetence that they haven't been able to capitalise on this amongst other Tory party issues (election expenses, Brexit division, NI increase and subsequent U-Turn).

In a way, I think Stu is right about dodging a bullet. Whoever wins the next election will end up with the unenviable task of either opting for a staggered exit from the EU which would enrage hardline Brexiters or cobbling a quick and dirty exit together which will harm business and the economy.

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Remoaners!

Move on ffs!

Tory lickspittles brainwashed by the Daily Mail and The Sun don't like to think the world has moved on, having the Brexit wool pulled over their eyes to avoid the obvious, happy with austerity, happy with the privatisation of the NHS, happy with a new Trident at the expense of public services.

None so blind that cannot see,
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Remoaners asking others to move on - oh the irony.

You've just pulled out all the cliched tripe associated with Tories to make a moot point.

You're clearly upset that the economy didn't tank and that the UK was the fastest growing of the G7.

What this all boils down to is the taste of defeat. Make no mistake about it, many of the 48% have taken this as a huge personal defeat whereby their logic, senses and liberal bigotry had been crushed by a democratic vote.

It's completely understandable that you'd react in such a way.

This defeat will be with you for the rest of your lives and your only outlet for relief will be soundbites and tidbits in the media.

It's good that this site can provide me with significant insight to the views of those outside my day-to-day encounters.

Metro

The ref result was June 2016. However the outcome of the ref should concern everyone, irrespective of which way votes were cast.

I can't fathom (given the gov's countless public blunders) why some are willing to stick their heads in the sand and hope for the best.

The British stiff upper lip and roll up your sleeves attitude is not going to dig us out of the hole in this instance.

What blunders?

The U.K. economy is in great shape. Fastest growing of the G7.

I've also just read that UK manufacturing growth has hit a 3 year high.

EU playing hardball or May not disclosing all the information isn't blunders - it's the nature of the beast.

If these blunders where as costly as you make out then the economy would exhibit different readings.

Metro

I appreciate you're not the full shilling and its beyond your truant intellect to see beyond Brexit (is it because its the ONLY time you've felt like a winner?) the next 5 years isn't just about leaving the EU, its about the NHS, its about social services, its about Tax evasion/avoidance, its about tory electorate fraud and its about Trident.

You try and put words into peoples mouths like you have been for the last 18 months, move on ffs!

Metro

What blunders?

Insofar as the economy is concerned it is currently benefiting from a host of EU treaties, and FTA’s, (both within the EU27 and around the globe – 68 FTAs internationally) has assured barrier free, unrestricted trade. Which, come March 2019 will disappear.

In regard to the Brexit blunders, off the top of my head:

Cameron resigning.

Misinterpreting the legality of Brexit, (hence the Gina Millar case – Gov lost twice). Delaying process and allowing EU27 additional time to get themselves ready.

Sending Liam Fox to open negotiations with a FTA with Australia, not releasing it was illegal to enter formal negotiations with any third party until Brexit day.

Stating there would not be a “running commentary” and would be keeping “cards close to chest.” Then proceeding to tell the Tory party conference there would be:

*A March date for invoking a50,
*No ECJ jurisdiction,
*No FoM
*Out of the SM,
*Out of the CU.

Which gave the EU27 many months to prepare and agree position. Which is why it only took the EU27 four minutes to agree last week. Hardly playing cards close to chest.

It also the public announcement also hit the markets, causing sterling devaluation, which has ensured input (manufacturing) costs have increased by around 30% (Google shrinkflation).

The governments misinterpretation of acquired rights for UK/EU citizens, (wanted to treat EU Nationals as the UK treats ‘third party’ migrants). I.e. no access to healthcare, all benefits, and a host of other rights.

Believing the UK could dictate to the EU where they should locate, and what they can do with their own institutions (European Medical Authority, European Investment Bank, the European Central Bank etc etc).

Being unable to recruit DEexEU with the required number of staff, (according to a FOI request by Labour’s David Lammy DEexEU have around 200 staff.

The dinner party with Junker.

Saying strong and stable every waking hour of every day.

Boris Johnston.

So whilst we are all on board HMS Brexit, maybe some should give some thought as to where PM Jonah is sailing her.

its about the NHS, its about social services, its about Tax evasion/avoidance, its about tory electorate fraud and its about Trident.
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Ahh yes, that's all dependent on the EU right ?

You're hurt - that much is true.

Now you can roll out the old cliches at your will but the economy is doing great under the current government.

Unemployment fell to its joint lowest level for more than 40 years under this government.

As for the NHS, it's my area of work and I can assure you that the financial waste thrown around by Labour was a disgrace. The NHS had 1-2 layers of middle management integrated into most major Trusts across the UK and hundreds of millions pounds squandered on stationary and lean transformations.

Money doesn't = better healthcare. They bankrupted the nation with excessive borrowing.

We can't move on until the remoaners start backing their own country instead of getting giddy about sound bites and tweets.

whoosh! Right over your head.

Move on ffs.

WWSPD
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Cameron resigning was a positive thing for Britain and for the Tories. Laughable to call it a blunder.

The Gina Millar debacle has been ridiculed left right and centre. The debate rages on about where true democracy lies. See her recent appearance on the Daily politics where Andrew Neil took her to pieces.

The Liam Fox issue, much like the recent leaked conversations are woeful attempts by remoaners to feel like they've clawed back some dignity. Everyone knows that Austrailia were fast out of the blocks to announce it wanted preferential access to the British market. Preliminary talks took place and let's remember what the Austrailian High Commissioner to Britain is predicting a swift free trade agreement. Oh how you'd hate it.

They have kept their cards close to their chest - hence the whinging by the Farrons and Corbyns of the world.

As for British manufacturing - we're in the middle of a boom.

Im sure the stable and strong government line is annoying for someone who wanted to remain in the EU and probably follows a party where either:

- the leader doesnt know his own position
- the leader wants a second referendum

Now they're real blunders of government.

What's up Hector?

Can't engage in a debate with cliches.

You're out of your depth on this I'm afraid.

No debate to be with someone who defines everything through yesterday's argument.

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Terrible stammer...or should I say Starmer...