Brexit negotiations are the new black.

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 11 hours, 37 minutes ago

"...as someone with a politics degree, and half a brain"

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Explains a lot.
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To be fair I don’t mind debating with tbab but it’s obvious that no amount of information will alter his view. Which he is entitled to. Millions of people hold similar views.

But as the situation develops, I think more and more people are starting to comprehend the reality of our predicament. Which bears no comparison whatsoever to what our political leaders would have us believe.
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This is the thing. It is not about Brexit itself anymore but more about what best deal we can get and who could lead us to that.
And the more I see and hear about May, the more convince I am that she is not suitable for the job.

I could hear "some" people cheering yesterday when she made her comments about the E.U. trying to sabbotage the GE. Am I the only who think that was a bad move. I mean we still haven't agreed on anything and she put oil in the fire? Not the best way to do diplomatic negotiations.
Overall, I think she should have postponed any E.U. meetings (about Brexit) until the end of June because she is clearly in elections mode at the moment and those two might not be feasible simultaneously

It's either a sacrifice of whatever goodwill we had left with Brussels for the sake of electioneering, or a show of strength and stability in sticking up for British interests against the nasty EU bureaucrats depending on which camp you fall in.

I don't think I've ever seen the UK this divided on any one issue in my lifetime (or definitely not since Iraq). David Cameron's legacy eh?

comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 12 hours, 52 minutes ago
Barnier is a phanny!

I done ma research so a did😁
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comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 3 hours, 27 minutes ago
It isn't about Leave/Remain anymore, that argument has been had, move on ffs!
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hat's where you're mistaken.

As Melanie Philips pointed out, these attempts to stifle Brexit or soften it are nothing more than embarrassing attempts by remain voters to reverse the decision.

The language may have changed but the end goal hasn't.

And Farron couldn't rip an envelope open.
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This, simpleton Farron saying the single market wasn't on the ballot paper when leaving obviously meant leaving that too, or 'driving us off the hard brexit cliff', no we're just leaving the EU.

The problem with remainers is they think the UK's in a weak negotiating position and EU is in a strong one which is ballacks. It's funny how the media just stopped reporting on any crisis the EU is facing. And yes some remainers want the whole thing to fail.

"they think the UK's in a weak negotiating position and EU is in a strong one which is ballacks."

It what way is the EU not in a strong position? I should point out that I most certainly do not want anything to fail, but I really cannot see why Brussel is "weak" in any negotiation with the UK.

HMS Brexit

Captain: “Today we set sail for new lands.”

Navigator: “Where are we going Captain?”

Captain: “Today we boldly go, plot a course.”

Navigator: “I need to plot a course Captain to ensure we adhere to international shipping and maritime regulations.”

Engine room: “How far is the journey Captain, as I need to know how much fuel will we need?”

Captain: “Drop anchor!”

Navigator: “We are heading towards some rocks Captain.”

Captain: “They're not rocks, full steam ahead.”

Engineer: “Captain, I think we hit the rocks, there’s a small hole developing in the hull.”

Captain: “We seem pretty buoyant to me.”

Engineer: “I can see the water pouring into the hull.”

Engine room: “Captain we are running out of fuel.”

Engineer: “Captain, we won’t make another ten miles. We need to reassess the situation.”

Navigator: “Where are we going?”

Captain: “Will you lot stop complaining. You are frustrating the will of the crew. I don’t know where we are going... Navigator, you’re supposed to be the expert!”

Engineer: “Captain, the crew are getting into the lifeboats. I respectively offer my resignation.”

Captain: “Saboteur!!”

Navigator: “Engineer, tell my children I love them…”

comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 20 minutes ago
"they think the UK's in a weak negotiating position and EU is in a strong one which is ballacks."

It what way is the EU not in a strong position? I should point out that I most certainly do not want anything to fail, but I really cannot see why Brussel is "weak" in any negotiation with the UK.
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Their 2nd biggest contributor left... Greece is facked, others like Portugal, Italy, Spain facing economic problems. probably another Euro crisis on the cards. Them pretending to be all united and strong is just a front, have you ever known the EU so vulnerable?

Or remainers want to stay on the sinking ship because you're too scared of change

comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 55 minutes ago
The problem with remainers is they think the UK's in a weak negotiating position and EU is in a strong one which is ballacks. It's funny how the media just stopped reporting on any crisis the EU is facing. And yes some remainers want the whole thing to fail.
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hmm

I do travel quite a bit around Europe for work purpose and I'd happily say the British media don't hold it back at all when it comes to "bad" news related to EU and Europe. The reason they stopped reported it and that there is nothing to report about it.
In facts, it even the opposite. There have been couples pro-euro demonstration in the past few months and nothing in the UK media.

comment by IAWT... not anymore. (U10012)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 55 minutes ago
The problem with remainers is they think the UK's in a weak negotiating position and EU is in a strong one which is ballacks. It's funny how the media just stopped reporting on any crisis the EU is facing. And yes some remainers want the whole thing to fail.
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hmm

I do travel quite a bit around Europe for work purpose and I'd happily say the British media don't hold it back at all when it comes to "bad" news related to EU and Europe. The reason they stopped reported it and that there is nothing to report about it.
In facts, it even the opposite. There have been couples pro-euro demonstration in the past few months and nothing in the UK media.
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So everything in the EU is good, no problems. Right

8bit

As we are leaving the EU, it’s mutually beneficial for the bloc to be successful.

Think of it, our largest and most important trading partner. Do we want them to be affluent, and accessible to bilateral trade – thus benefiting UK industries and businesses. Or see the bloc deteriorate, thus seeing a decline (and/or barriers) in commerce.

It’s going to be difficult enough, (especially given the current fractious discourse) agreeing a beneficial FTA with the EU, never mind brokering separate FTAs with countries that ‘leave’ as well.

In any event, given growth across the Eurozone (struck a 6-year high last month) and with the world being privy to Brexit tensions, I don’t think there will a rush for member states to leave.

And with the upcoming EU reform program, member states will now have the opportunity to help reshape the bloc into a more flexible and progressive union than we have seen over recent years.

it's not about what we want but what's really happening, the EU is struggling and only interested in its own survival right now. If it was successful and everything was going well then we wouldn't vote to leave in the first place, or eurosceptics wouldn't be doing so well elsewhere.

The EU is doing so terribly that after that hunchbacked zombie spoke to her UKIP fan base outside no.10, the pound nosedived, the longer she continues the pointless warlike rhetoric the more its going to frighten business and they'll invest in the far more stable EU. No amount of 'strong and stable' hypnotism is going to convince business that she's capable or Britain is a safe place to invest and prosper.
We all want the best deal, we are all invested in the UK getting a workable deal but if that daft cow keeps on biting to the EU press WUMs then there won't be a deal.

comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 25 minutes ago
it's not about what we want but what's really happening, the EU is struggling and only interested in its own survival right now. If it was successful and everything was going well then we wouldn't vote to leave in the first place, or eurosceptics wouldn't be doing so well elsewhere.
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I agree there’s certainly a perception that the EU is struggling but I haven’t seen anything substantive that backs this view up.

Whilst there has been an increase in anti-EU sentiment (in part aided by Russia) during electioneering in Europe, this has failed to materialise at the ballot box to date.

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 25 minutes ago
it's not about what we want but what's really happening, the EU is struggling and only interested in its own survival right now. If it was successful and everything was going well then we wouldn't vote to leave in the first place, or eurosceptics wouldn't be doing so well elsewhere.
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I agree there’s certainly a perception that the EU is struggling but I haven’t seen anything substantive that backs this view up.

Whilst there has been an increase in anti-EU sentiment (in part aided by Russia) during electioneering in Europe, this has failed to materialise at the ballot box to date.
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That's just it WWSPD. We keep being told the EU is struggling but I'm yet to see evidence to back this up either. It's also funny how some cite the economic situations in Spain, Italy, Greece and Portugal (last I heard Portugal's economy is on the up) as proof the EU is struggling. The same people also cite the UK economy as prospering and this having nothing to with the EU.

The Dutch vote, plus the upcoming French election haven't/don't look like going down the anti EU path.

I'm still convinced our politicians have pulled the wool over the eyes of the voting public. It's easier to blamr the EU/immigrants for issues that should have beeb dealt with domestically, such as housing and infrastructure expansion.

Nobody was more shocked when we decided to leave the EU than the politicians,i think the electorate pulled the wool over their eyes.

comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 16 minutes ago
Nobody was more shocked when we decided to leave the EU than the politicians,i think the electorate pulled the wool over their eyes.
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I think the politicians were more surprised the shiite they spouted actually worked.

I think the politicians were more surprised the shiite they spouted actually worked.
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Its funny because its true.

"I'm still convinced our politicians have pulled the wool over the eyes of the voting public. It's easier to blamr the EU/immigrants for issues that should have beeb dealt with domestically, such as housing and infrastructure expansion."

Agreed, politicians are slippery feckers - one day they will run out of other people to blame (actually, probably not) and run out of things to sell off to plug the gaps - then they'll (actually, probaly we'll) be proper fecked.

The GE campaign shows they have learnt from the Brexit campaign - don't bother saying what you will do, just slag off the opposition. Sad times.

The GE campaign shows they have learnt from the Brexit campaign - don't bother saying what you will do, just slag off the opposition. Sad times.
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If only there were some opposition.

comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 25 minutes ago
it's not about what we want but what's really happening, the EU is struggling and only interested in its own survival right now. If it was successful and everything was going well then we wouldn't vote to leave in the first place, or eurosceptics wouldn't be doing so well elsewhere.
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I agree there’s certainly a perception that the EU is struggling but I haven’t seen anything substantive that backs this view up.

Whilst there has been an increase in anti-EU sentiment (in part aided by Russia) during electioneering in Europe, this has failed to materialise at the ballot box to date.
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That's just it WWSPD. We keep being told the EU is struggling but I'm yet to see evidence to back this up either. It's also funny how some cite the economic situations in Spain, Italy, Greece and Portugal (last I heard Portugal's economy is on the up) as proof the EU is struggling. The same people also cite the UK economy as prospering and this having nothing to with the EU.

The Dutch vote, plus the upcoming French election haven't/don't look like going down the anti EU path.

I'm still convinced our politicians have pulled the wool over the eyes of the voting public. It's easier to blamr the EU/immigrants for issues that should have beeb dealt with domestically, such as housing and infrastructure expansion.
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it depends how you interpret it, the Dutch guy was a bit of a loon who apparenly had a 1 page manifesto, wanted to close all Mosques and ban the Koran... It wasn't an in/out referendum. He still came 2nd and pushed the right wing government further to the right and liberals here claimed victory

In French first round of voting anti EU parties got about 50% of the vote, the far left dude got 20% and wants out of the EU. Remainers think it's some kind of far right/liberal divide. If Le Pen loses is that a victory for the EU and liberals? The National Front getting 40%+ of the vote should scare you more than anything.

The public have been fed decades of misinformation, which over time, have become ‘accepted truths.’

The EU has conveniently acted as a foil for failed UK government policies for years.

Governments inadequately conveying/helping to implement EU regulations to local councils for example. Which in turn resulted in many regulations being misinterpreted.