Yeah you could say it sort of evened out. But in this particular instance the pen shouldn't have been given as he was offside. That wasn't the ref's fault, though.

Playing in a dangerous manner is defined as any action that, while trying to play the ball, threatens injury to someone (including the player himself). It is committed with an opponent nearby and prevents the opponent from playing the ball for fear of injury



Think you have just proved my point.

Koscielny threatened injury to Mee's metatarsal.

Anyway I think we have laboured this point and I doubt you would be convinced by further comments.

We shall just agree to differ....

comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 13 seconds ago
Yeah you could say it sort of evened out. But in this particular instance the pen shouldn't have been given as he was offside. That wasn't the ref's fault, though.
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comment by GeniusGreaves Optimist Supreme (U1302)
posted 1 minute ago
Playing in a dangerous manner is defined as any action that, while trying to play the ball, threatens injury to someone (including the player himself). It is committed with an opponent nearby and prevents the opponent from playing the ball for fear of injury



Think you have just proved my point.
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Threatens to, if doesn't. It if a player has to evade a challenge for safety.

Not if he gets a face full of studs after he has played the ball.

Okay DJM,

If you say so!

No, FIFA says so, it's where the quotes from. Which part of your point does it prove?

Getting back to basics it was Koscielny who created the dangerous play by bending down to head the ball.

If you lower your head to below or at chest height then you are putting yourself at risk.

This referee interpreted it as a direct free kick therefore a penalty. Does not make him right though, as it still should have been an indirect free kick one way or the other.

Now the Law pertaining to free kicks is clear, but as in everything it is in the opinion of the referee that matters.

If the Burnley player had deliberately kicked at Koscielny, then I would agree with giving a penalty. However looking at it closely he was focused on the ball and therefore there was no intent and the only decision can be dangerous play. However I firmly believe that by bending down towards the ball Koscielny created the dangerous play scenario.

Again it is my opinion and how I would have viewed it if I had been refereeing the game.

Direct free kick
A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force: • kicks or attempts to kick an opponent • trips or attempts to trip an opponent • jumps at an opponent • charges an opponent • strikes or attempts to strike an opponent • pushes an opponent • tackles an opponent
A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following three offences: • holds an opponent • spits at an opponent • handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area)
A direct free kick is taken from the place where the offence occurred .
Penalty kick
A penalty kick is awarded if any of the above ten offences is committed by a player inside his own penalty area, irrespective of the position of the ball, provided it is in play.
LAW 12 – FOULS AND MISCONDUCT
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Indirect free kick
An indirect free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a goalkeeper, inside his own penalty area, commits any of the following four offences: • controls the ball with his hands for more than six seconds before releasing it from his possession • touches the ball again with his hands after he has released it from his possession and before it has touched another player • touches the ball with his hands after it has been deliberately kicked to him by a team-mate • touches the ball with his hands after he has received it directly from a throw-in taken by a team-mate
An indirect free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if, in the opinion of the referee, a player: • plays in a dangerous manner • impedes the progress of an opponent • prevents the goalkeeper from releasing the ball from his hands • commits any other offence, not previously mentioned in Law 12, for which play is stopped to caution or send off a player

By the way, the Laws of the game are quite clear, intent has to be there!

A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force: • kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
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Tick and tick.

I cannot see anywhere there that says you are not allowed to head the ball unless it is over chest height

Kicks opponent. There you go, the rules prove it was a foul.

It is worrying (but characteristic of the officiating we see weekly) at how GG (a qualified ref) is interpretting what is written in the rule book (sorry the Laws of the Game)

Can you imagine if he actually gave an indirect free kick

Indirect free kick for a foul in the box.

comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 4 minutes ago
Can you imagine if he actually gave an indirect free kick
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To Burnley for a "low head"

Zlatan...........intent has to be there.

DJM......not for a low head, nothing in the Laws of the game about that. However it is viewed that if someone goes lower with their head then they are the ones at fault, not the person going in with their foot.

I always viewed anything from around 4-5ft as being the benchmark height, when anything above that was dangerous play with feet.it also depends on the height of a player of course.

Remember a referee has a duty of care for the safety of all players during a game.

There have been many indirect free kicks given during games over the years.

I remember us having one on the on the edge of 6 yard box, with all eleven of the opposition on the goal line. Only time defenders are allowed inside 10 yards from a free kick.

It's like saying a leg breaking challenge isn't a foul as his intent was to play the ball.

No it's not, again you are confusing the issues. If a player leaves the ground with both feet, whether he gets the ball or not, under the Laws it is a foul and punished accordingly.

Dangerous play is viewed differently under the Laws of the game. Unfortunately the Laws are not black and white, and that is where the confusion comes in.

Look at shirt pulling and holding, some referees give free kicks or penalties, most do not. The ones who do not are ignoring the Laws of the game and that is wrong.

Whilst I agree that a raised foot/boot is something that should be a direct free kick, it is dangerous play and therefore an indirect kick.

It is all down to the referee's opinion at the time of the incident.

Today the referee gave a penalty, another day he might have given Burnley an indirect kick.

Similarly we got away with it when Walker pushed Sterling, another day we will not. Again down to the referee's opinion

He kicked him in the face. It was a facking foul.

So a kick to the face is dangerous play not a foul...

Have you ever awarded an indirect free kick for a head kick?

The rules even state that it's a direct free kick if you kick or attempt to kick an opponent.

GG is a Spurs fan, a ref and doesn't seem to understand kicking someone in the face is a foul.

Are you Mike Dean?