Zlatan....... I am not a referee now just to clarify things. I was also a former senior player so have experience from both sides of the coin. However you have forgotten one important thing, intent. Do I believe Mee went for the ball, yes. Do I believe there is a case for dangerous play, yes but the most important thing is that the referee decided it was more than dangerous play otherwise he could not have given a penalty.
Sir Digby, simple answer to your question, yes I have awarded indirect free kicks against a player who has dropped his head down to head a ball when he also connects with a foot.
Kicking someone in the face or head can also be accidental, take for instance a diving header, which Ian Wright was brilliant at, if a defender kicked him in the head when he was diving it would not be a foul if he was going for the ball as the diving player would himself have created the dangerous situation.
Surely with your logic 90% of penalties would be indirect free kicks then as they are simply mistimed tackles
But it wasn't a diving header, it ducked down not even a foot. If you were correct do you not think anyone else at all might pick up on it?
Surely with your logic 90% of penalties would be indirect free kicks then as they are simply mistimed tackles
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Not a great analogy is it?
We were talking about the difference between an indirect/direct free nkick, not mistimed tackles
Anyway you got the three points even though you have not commented on Kos being offside before the penalty.
See, sometimes things do go your way.
i see where gg's coming from
he's saying burnley's penalty shouldn't have been given as that burnley player that made the run created a dangerous situation with coquelin. coquelin was only going for the ball after all, that nasty burnley player shouldn't have gone for the ball in case someone broke his leg
Limbo, think you have summed it up pretty well1
You were correct in saying penalty should not have been given, Koscielny was offside to start with, but that of course does not matter.
And before you mention the City game, it was a definite penalty by Walker and probably a red card too!
Read my comment again
I did, I was being sarcastic!
Sir Digby, I have never claimed it was a diving header, I used that analogy to illustrate things.
We were talking about the difference between an indirect/direct free nkick, not mistimed tackles
But the Burnley player misstimed it as he didn't get the ball
That's not mistiming, it's being second to the ball.
Mistiming was Lloris not quite connecting properly when he tried to head the ball clear on Saturday!
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posted on 22/1/17
Zlatan....... I am not a referee now just to clarify things. I was also a former senior player so have experience from both sides of the coin. However you have forgotten one important thing, intent. Do I believe Mee went for the ball, yes. Do I believe there is a case for dangerous play, yes but the most important thing is that the referee decided it was more than dangerous play otherwise he could not have given a penalty.
Sir Digby, simple answer to your question, yes I have awarded indirect free kicks against a player who has dropped his head down to head a ball when he also connects with a foot.
Kicking someone in the face or head can also be accidental, take for instance a diving header, which Ian Wright was brilliant at, if a defender kicked him in the head when he was diving it would not be a foul if he was going for the ball as the diving player would himself have created the dangerous situation.
posted on 23/1/17
Surely with your logic 90% of penalties would be indirect free kicks then as they are simply mistimed tackles
posted on 23/1/17
But it wasn't a diving header, it ducked down not even a foot. If you were correct do you not think anyone else at all might pick up on it?
posted on 23/1/17
Surely with your logic 90% of penalties would be indirect free kicks then as they are simply mistimed tackles
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Not a great analogy is it?
We were talking about the difference between an indirect/direct free nkick, not mistimed tackles
Anyway you got the three points even though you have not commented on Kos being offside before the penalty.
See, sometimes things do go your way.
posted on 23/1/17
i see where gg's coming from
he's saying burnley's penalty shouldn't have been given as that burnley player that made the run created a dangerous situation with coquelin. coquelin was only going for the ball after all, that nasty burnley player shouldn't have gone for the ball in case someone broke his leg
posted on 23/1/17
Limbo, think you have summed it up pretty well1
posted on 23/1/17
You were correct in saying penalty should not have been given, Koscielny was offside to start with, but that of course does not matter.
And before you mention the City game, it was a definite penalty by Walker and probably a red card too!
posted on 23/1/17
Read my comment again
posted on 23/1/17
Read my comment again
I did, I was being sarcastic!
Sir Digby, I have never claimed it was a diving header, I used that analogy to illustrate things.
posted on 23/1/17
We were talking about the difference between an indirect/direct free nkick, not mistimed tackles
But the Burnley player misstimed it as he didn't get the ball
posted on 23/1/17
That's not mistiming, it's being second to the ball.
Mistiming was Lloris not quite connecting properly when he tried to head the ball clear on Saturday!
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