Yeah there's not racism here in the UK
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 4 hours, 9 minutes ago
Yeah there's not racism here in the UK
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And there are no chips on anybody's shoulder either.
as for Pogba, fatigue has nothing to do with it. He's playing the same way he has all season. Much like Nani, moments of brilliance followed by sheer nonsense. Match winner one game annonomous the next and the next being detrimental by just making foolish decisions. He needs to keep it simple and find some consistency but claims of fatigue are nonsense and nothing more than an excuse.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 15 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
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be fair busby, i'm sure you agree with some of what robb said. even if it was just the "I could be wrong" bit.
i do though see where he is coming from, not that people are mocking pogba/saying he's been rubbish because he is black.
but i do agree that when the media reports on greedy young footballers, there is sometimes just a tiny bit more wrinkling of the nose when that young player is black.
but note, no one is saying that if pogba were white he'd be odds on favourite for player of the year.
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Nah. Pogba is getting it because he is always on social media and adverts etc and he can't do it on the pitch.
Couldn't give a monkeys what colour his skin is, he hasn't been good enough.
My criticism regarding Pogba's social media malarkey and his dabbing skillz are generally in jest.
What I dont like watching is a player who has been,by and large,utterly underwhelming.His last two performances for instance have been diabolical.
I find the theory that some people don't like a young black footballer making millions from the game a bizarre one, even more bizarre that someone should say that.
Pogba has been underwhelming for the majority of the season, that's the long and the tall of it.
Having thought of it overnight, I don't think it's because he's black. It's true there are plenty of racists out there, so obviously we have our share. But fans tend to support their own, and we have had black players before loved by the fans.
Also on here there are and have been lots of white players who have received abuse, including our captain, Jones and others.
I've also wondered if Sterling and Sturridge would get the abuse they get if they were white. I mean, what have they done really to deserve the hate?
Plenty of players have done far worse
I think they just want to see a very well rewarded player earn his wages. Irrespective if what colour they are.
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I agree. I have mostly defended Pogba all season from the constant criticism but I have not seen any criticism that led me to even suspect that racism was the basis of it.
I would say that the player who has received the most comparable criticism to Pogba in recent years is Rooney. I.e. a player that people feel has not lived up to his hype/reputation. In the past it was Becks, etc.
Basically, the bigger the reputation, fee, wages, etc. the higher peoples' expectations of the player in question.
Of course racists exist but I'm not convinced they are relevant to this discussion.
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
I've also wondered if Sterling and Sturridge would get the abuse they get if they were white. I mean, what have they done really to deserve the hate?
Plenty of players have done far worse
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Sterling was absolutley attrocious last season. Stones has got the same "abuse" this season. Because he's been chit.
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
I've also wondered if Sterling and Sturridge would get the abuse they get if they were white. I mean, what have they done really to deserve the hate?
Plenty of players have done far worse
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Sterling was absolutley attrocious last season. Stones has got the same "abuse" this season. Because he's been chit.
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Bless, stones has never had anywhere near the same amount of abuse.
Never heard him getting called a traitor by pundits, or rumours that he has about a million kids from a million different mothers, or the hysteria over him inhaling laughing gas which is outrageously harmless. Never heard or read a player get so much abuse over signing a big money contract and buying a fancy car. He even got criticised in the Mail for buying a nice house for his mum ffs.
Stones gets none of this. Gotze got none of this when he went to BM. Milner got no abuse despite the fact that he essentially went to Liverpool for money. Zlatan doesnt get ridiculed for what he says, does or acts.
If black young players play well they often escape criticism, but if black young players don't live up to their potential the amount of horrendous criticism they get is appalling.
Oh dear, Pogba did some adverts, got a hashtag and did a dab. Which isn't white British culture. He hasn't lived up to a £90m price-tag which isn't his fault but has genuinely been relatively impressive. Why slander every ounce of his character, and not try and keep the faith with him like you did Di Maria who was far worse?
Not buying that it's racist personally.
Contract rebels always get grief - that's standard no matter what your colour.
Not sure Pogba is getting that much grief either. Is he getting more than Torres or Shevchenko did? Carroll? Suarez? Terry? Giggs? Rooney? People sung songs for years about Wenger liking little boys!
The reality is that he is the world most expensive player reaching a level similar to Mark Noble atm.
Throw in Cesc and RVP actually. Got dogs abuse for jumping near the end of their contract.
Sturridge gets abuse because he is always injured and is lazy.
Sterling had abuse because of how he left Liverpool and his awful season after costing £50m.
Are you suggesting the likes of Rooney, Ozil, Barkley etc don't get abuse for their form?
Ridiculous and insulting to suggest people are criticising Pogba because of his skin colour.
Such hyperbole, Pogba might be underperforming for a £90m but to compare his performances to Mark Noble is just feckin dumb. It's something my granddad might say ffs
Yeah Sturridge deserves abuse for being injured a lot, makes sense, I wonder if Bryan Robson got the same treatment
Yeah imagine having a player nicknamed sicknote or something.
Darren Anderton was also nicknamed sicknote, as was Jamie Redknapp, fact was they don't get the abuse that Sturridge gets
Sterling is getting far worse grief than Torres or Chevchenko or Carroll who got fecking injured when drunk in a casino ffs even did.
Apologies for linking the s*n, but these kind of newspapers have written things worse about Raheem Sterling than I have seen for any other player who moved to a better team:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1528504/england-footie-flop-raheem-sterling-blows-thousands-in-9month-chase-of-glamorous-teen-while-calling-his-live-in-partner-just-a-girl/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1366429/life-and-times-of-footie-idiot-raheem-sterling/
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/617098/Manchester-City-star-Raheem-Sterling-targeted-racist-trolls-after-sharing-family-photo
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-star-raheem-sterling-pictured-5903458
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/581872/Raheem-Sterling-Manchester-City-Liverpool-England-football-player-filthy-Mercedes-car
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/burnley-vs-manchester-city-raheem-sterling-pep-guardiola-fans-chant-a7441016.html
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/9912278/police-probing-raheem-sterling-twitter-abuse
The bloke got abused & booed by teams throughout the country, for the fact that he left Liverpool for a better team and more money!? Why should Stoke fans care that Sterling did this?
Honestly, how I am no Sterling fan but how he has been treated is genuinely disgusting.
What abuse does Sturridge get that they didn't?
I think you have to allow for increased media as well but I suspect you're talking about 606 and twatter which didn't exist then. Doesn't happen on the terraces.
Then we look at Pogba, he has got a lot more criticism than Di Maria. Despite the fact that he has played better.
Most criticism is in reference to more cultural things; like haircuts, and dabs, and appearing in rap videos. Which the general public doesn't like but then cheer on white ladish things like going to the pub and going out on the lash.
If black young players play well they often escape criticism, but if black young players don't live up to their potential the amount of horrendous criticism they get is appalling.
Oh dear, Pogba did some adverts, got a hashtag and did a dab. Which isn't white British culture. He hasn't lived up to a £90m price-tag which isn't his fault but has genuinely been relatively impressive. Why slander every ounce of his character, and not try and keep the faith with him like you did Di Maria who was far worse?
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I can't work out if this poster is serious but his post is pure bollox from start to finish.
I have literally never felt that a United player was given more abuse from United fans due to his skin colour. In fact, who was the last black United player to be heavily criticised before Pogba? Djemba Djemba??
As for Di Maria, anyone who says that guy did not get any abuse is a proper clown. Abuse is pretty much all he got from the majority of United fans!
Rooney has been slated for years. Even RVP was slated in his second and third seasons at United. Fellaini gets slated all the time. Jones gets slated all the time. Rojo has been slated loads, etc etc etc. Even Zlatan has been slated by some of our fans and he is our top scorer!
But if Pogba gets slated after a poor game then it is racist? Get a facking grip.
comment by Edinfam (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
Then we look at Pogba, he has got a lot more criticism than Di Maria.
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Saying this over and over does not make it true.
More people have criticised Pogba's transfer fee (understandably) but in no way has Pogba received more abuse from United fans than Di Maria.
I should know, I have spent hours defending both players from criticism.
I don't agree, LVG got the Di Maria criticism for not playing him in the right position. I never saw Di Maria's hairstyle get attacked, or his stupid heart celebration (except now), or whatever he did in his spare time.
comment by Robb Mkhitaryan (U21234)
posted 15 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 33 minutes ago
I think they just want to see a very well rewarded player earn his wages. Irrespective if what colour they are. You're really scraping the barrel stirring that kind of crap up just to defend on underpeforming player
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How is it defending him?
So you don't think some people have issues with young black peoples earning top bucks and might subconsciously take it out on the guy?
Very naive if not
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Robb, from that I have read the this thread, you are basing your opinions on how Pogba is being judged on these forums. In which case, please provide a list of the posters that you think are racist towards Pogba and your reasoning for it. Otherwise, please refrain from using what is an emotive subject in an attempt to somehow justify Pogba's performance levels so far this season.
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posted on 6/3/17
Yeah there's not racism here in the UK
posted on 6/3/17
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 4 hours, 9 minutes ago
Yeah there's not racism here in the UK
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And there are no chips on anybody's shoulder either.
posted on 6/3/17
as for Pogba, fatigue has nothing to do with it. He's playing the same way he has all season. Much like Nani, moments of brilliance followed by sheer nonsense. Match winner one game annonomous the next and the next being detrimental by just making foolish decisions. He needs to keep it simple and find some consistency but claims of fatigue are nonsense and nothing more than an excuse.
posted on 6/3/17
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 15 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
Woooooooow
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be fair busby, i'm sure you agree with some of what robb said. even if it was just the "I could be wrong" bit.
i do though see where he is coming from, not that people are mocking pogba/saying he's been rubbish because he is black.
but i do agree that when the media reports on greedy young footballers, there is sometimes just a tiny bit more wrinkling of the nose when that young player is black.
but note, no one is saying that if pogba were white he'd be odds on favourite for player of the year.
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Nah. Pogba is getting it because he is always on social media and adverts etc and he can't do it on the pitch.
Couldn't give a monkeys what colour his skin is, he hasn't been good enough.
posted on 6/3/17
My criticism regarding Pogba's social media malarkey and his dabbing skillz are generally in jest.
What I dont like watching is a player who has been,by and large,utterly underwhelming.His last two performances for instance have been diabolical.
posted on 6/3/17
I find the theory that some people don't like a young black footballer making millions from the game a bizarre one, even more bizarre that someone should say that.
Pogba has been underwhelming for the majority of the season, that's the long and the tall of it.
posted on 6/3/17
Having thought of it overnight, I don't think it's because he's black. It's true there are plenty of racists out there, so obviously we have our share. But fans tend to support their own, and we have had black players before loved by the fans.
Also on here there are and have been lots of white players who have received abuse, including our captain, Jones and others.
posted on 6/3/17
I've also wondered if Sterling and Sturridge would get the abuse they get if they were white. I mean, what have they done really to deserve the hate?
Plenty of players have done far worse
posted on 6/3/17
I think they just want to see a very well rewarded player earn his wages. Irrespective if what colour they are.
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I agree. I have mostly defended Pogba all season from the constant criticism but I have not seen any criticism that led me to even suspect that racism was the basis of it.
I would say that the player who has received the most comparable criticism to Pogba in recent years is Rooney. I.e. a player that people feel has not lived up to his hype/reputation. In the past it was Becks, etc.
Basically, the bigger the reputation, fee, wages, etc. the higher peoples' expectations of the player in question.
Of course racists exist but I'm not convinced they are relevant to this discussion.
posted on 6/3/17
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
I've also wondered if Sterling and Sturridge would get the abuse they get if they were white. I mean, what have they done really to deserve the hate?
Plenty of players have done far worse
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Sterling was absolutley attrocious last season. Stones has got the same "abuse" this season. Because he's been chit.
posted on 6/3/17
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
I've also wondered if Sterling and Sturridge would get the abuse they get if they were white. I mean, what have they done really to deserve the hate?
Plenty of players have done far worse
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Sterling was absolutley attrocious last season. Stones has got the same "abuse" this season. Because he's been chit.
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Bless, stones has never had anywhere near the same amount of abuse.
Never heard him getting called a traitor by pundits, or rumours that he has about a million kids from a million different mothers, or the hysteria over him inhaling laughing gas which is outrageously harmless. Never heard or read a player get so much abuse over signing a big money contract and buying a fancy car. He even got criticised in the Mail for buying a nice house for his mum ffs.
Stones gets none of this. Gotze got none of this when he went to BM. Milner got no abuse despite the fact that he essentially went to Liverpool for money. Zlatan doesnt get ridiculed for what he says, does or acts.
If black young players play well they often escape criticism, but if black young players don't live up to their potential the amount of horrendous criticism they get is appalling.
Oh dear, Pogba did some adverts, got a hashtag and did a dab. Which isn't white British culture. He hasn't lived up to a £90m price-tag which isn't his fault but has genuinely been relatively impressive. Why slander every ounce of his character, and not try and keep the faith with him like you did Di Maria who was far worse?
posted on 6/3/17
Not buying that it's racist personally.
Contract rebels always get grief - that's standard no matter what your colour.
Not sure Pogba is getting that much grief either. Is he getting more than Torres or Shevchenko did? Carroll? Suarez? Terry? Giggs? Rooney? People sung songs for years about Wenger liking little boys!
The reality is that he is the world most expensive player reaching a level similar to Mark Noble atm.
posted on 6/3/17
Throw in Cesc and RVP actually. Got dogs abuse for jumping near the end of their contract.
posted on 6/3/17
Sturridge gets abuse because he is always injured and is lazy.
Sterling had abuse because of how he left Liverpool and his awful season after costing £50m.
Are you suggesting the likes of Rooney, Ozil, Barkley etc don't get abuse for their form?
Ridiculous and insulting to suggest people are criticising Pogba because of his skin colour.
posted on 6/3/17
Such hyperbole, Pogba might be underperforming for a £90m but to compare his performances to Mark Noble is just feckin dumb. It's something my granddad might say ffs
posted on 6/3/17
Yeah Sturridge deserves abuse for being injured a lot, makes sense, I wonder if Bryan Robson got the same treatment
posted on 6/3/17
Yeah imagine having a player nicknamed sicknote or something.
posted on 6/3/17
Darren Anderton was also nicknamed sicknote, as was Jamie Redknapp, fact was they don't get the abuse that Sturridge gets
posted on 6/3/17
Sterling is getting far worse grief than Torres or Chevchenko or Carroll who got fecking injured when drunk in a casino ffs even did.
Apologies for linking the s*n, but these kind of newspapers have written things worse about Raheem Sterling than I have seen for any other player who moved to a better team:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1528504/england-footie-flop-raheem-sterling-blows-thousands-in-9month-chase-of-glamorous-teen-while-calling-his-live-in-partner-just-a-girl/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1366429/life-and-times-of-footie-idiot-raheem-sterling/
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/617098/Manchester-City-star-Raheem-Sterling-targeted-racist-trolls-after-sharing-family-photo
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-star-raheem-sterling-pictured-5903458
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/581872/Raheem-Sterling-Manchester-City-Liverpool-England-football-player-filthy-Mercedes-car
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/burnley-vs-manchester-city-raheem-sterling-pep-guardiola-fans-chant-a7441016.html
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/9912278/police-probing-raheem-sterling-twitter-abuse
The bloke got abused & booed by teams throughout the country, for the fact that he left Liverpool for a better team and more money!? Why should Stoke fans care that Sterling did this?
Honestly, how I am no Sterling fan but how he has been treated is genuinely disgusting.
posted on 6/3/17
What abuse does Sturridge get that they didn't?
I think you have to allow for increased media as well but I suspect you're talking about 606 and twatter which didn't exist then. Doesn't happen on the terraces.
posted on 6/3/17
Then we look at Pogba, he has got a lot more criticism than Di Maria. Despite the fact that he has played better.
Most criticism is in reference to more cultural things; like haircuts, and dabs, and appearing in rap videos. Which the general public doesn't like but then cheer on white ladish things like going to the pub and going out on the lash.
posted on 6/3/17
If black young players play well they often escape criticism, but if black young players don't live up to their potential the amount of horrendous criticism they get is appalling.
Oh dear, Pogba did some adverts, got a hashtag and did a dab. Which isn't white British culture. He hasn't lived up to a £90m price-tag which isn't his fault but has genuinely been relatively impressive. Why slander every ounce of his character, and not try and keep the faith with him like you did Di Maria who was far worse?
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I can't work out if this poster is serious but his post is pure bollox from start to finish.
I have literally never felt that a United player was given more abuse from United fans due to his skin colour. In fact, who was the last black United player to be heavily criticised before Pogba? Djemba Djemba??
As for Di Maria, anyone who says that guy did not get any abuse is a proper clown. Abuse is pretty much all he got from the majority of United fans!
Rooney has been slated for years. Even RVP was slated in his second and third seasons at United. Fellaini gets slated all the time. Jones gets slated all the time. Rojo has been slated loads, etc etc etc. Even Zlatan has been slated by some of our fans and he is our top scorer!
But if Pogba gets slated after a poor game then it is racist? Get a facking grip.
posted on 6/3/17
comment by Edinfam (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
Then we look at Pogba, he has got a lot more criticism than Di Maria.
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Saying this over and over does not make it true.
More people have criticised Pogba's transfer fee (understandably) but in no way has Pogba received more abuse from United fans than Di Maria.
I should know, I have spent hours defending both players from criticism.
posted on 6/3/17
I don't agree, LVG got the Di Maria criticism for not playing him in the right position. I never saw Di Maria's hairstyle get attacked, or his stupid heart celebration (except now), or whatever he did in his spare time.
posted on 6/3/17
comment by Robb Mkhitaryan (U21234)
posted 15 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 33 minutes ago
I think they just want to see a very well rewarded player earn his wages. Irrespective if what colour they are. You're really scraping the barrel stirring that kind of crap up just to defend on underpeforming player
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How is it defending him?
So you don't think some people have issues with young black peoples earning top bucks and might subconsciously take it out on the guy?
Very naive if not
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Robb, from that I have read the this thread, you are basing your opinions on how Pogba is being judged on these forums. In which case, please provide a list of the posters that you think are racist towards Pogba and your reasoning for it. Otherwise, please refrain from using what is an emotive subject in an attempt to somehow justify Pogba's performance levels so far this season.
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