I think Martial will be a top player for a top club in continental football leagues rather than the PL. don't think he has the fight and work rate required in England. He seems happy to drift in and out of games for United.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 3 seconds ago
Process
While I don't rate CBJ that highly I don't think his loan spell at Wolves proves that much. Kane struggled with loans but that didn't prove much. Every player and loan move is different, often they don't work for a variety of reasons and I think CBJ was unfortunate with the manager being sacked not long after he moved.
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Fair point. Still think we need better at LB. Bertrand could be a great option if the club considers Mendy overpriced.
Also if we are looking for a back up right back I was very impressed with the Celta right back Hugo Mallo. Thought he was arguably their best player. Doubt he'd cost a fortune either.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Rosso
Thing is though systems are continually changing and evolving as you know. If a manager can see that a strike partnership would work well against how most teams are currently set up then maybe it could come back. Juve are doing well with it so maybe others will look to that as inspiration?
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Of course it is possible.
4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 and their respective variants have developed and become popular for various reasons, but one thing they both enable (the latter in particular) is more full use of the pitch whilst offering defensive cover. At least one of those things is sacrificed as soon as you shift to two players playing centrally up top.
The various approaches Juve have taken this season, from what I've seen (which has been very limited in all honesty) and read (much more extensive), have seen Higuain deployed as a lone striker as often as he's been supported more closely by one or both of Juve's other forwards.
Dybala's versatility seems to have been the key to their partnership, having been deployed in wide roles, behind and alongside Higuain, but if I'm correct he's only played in about half of Juve's league fixtures.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 53 seconds ago
Martial for sure. Rashford is nothing more than a finisher.
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Did you not see his pass to set up Fellaini on Thursday?
Don't make him out to be the next Chicharito because he has much more in his locker.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 4 minutes ago
Process
While I don't rate CBJ that highly I don't think his loan spell at Wolves proves that much. Kane struggled with loans but that didn't prove much. Every player and loan move is different, often they don't work for a variety of reasons and I think CBJ was unfortunate with the manager being sacked not long after he moved.
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I'd like to see both CBJ and Riley given a shot this summer before we spunk another £50m on a left back yet to play a game in the PL.
Rosso
True, I guess defining the role of a player like Dybala isn't so clear. While he is usually labelled a forward and clearly plays behind Higuain you can just as easily label his a #10 or ACM, it's basically just semantics.
"Rashford is nothing more than a finisher"
I can't tell if this is a joke or not? If anything his finishing is an area he needs to improve greatly. What's so refreshing to watch with Rashford is that he has a lot to his game.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 53 seconds ago
Martial for sure. Rashford is nothing more than a finisher.
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Did you not see his pass to set up Fellaini on Thursday?
Don't make him out to be the next Chicharito because he has much more in his locker.
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It was a joke. Just repeating what Robb said about Rashford just a few months back.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Rosso
True, I guess defining the role of a player like Dybala isn't so clear. While he is usually labelled a forward and clearly plays behind Higuain you can just as easily label his a #10 or ACM, it's basically just semantics.
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Yeah; and I wouldn't argue that Higuain and Dybala aren't a strike partnership, regardless of whether Dybala is playing alongside Higuain, as a slightly deeper number ten, in the hole, or as an inside right. They are both in the side to score goals, and they understand each other and link up well.
Although unlikely for more than one reason IMO, Martial and Rashford *could* form a great strike partnership; it isn't beyond the realms of possibility.
But if it were to happen, it would be overwhelmingly likely that one of the two would still be playing in a wide role with the other stationed centrally.
Rosso
Yeah I can't see it myself because like you say at least 1 will likely play wide. Rashord has played a bit as a #10 for the youth teams so who knows?
It has been mentioned above, but is worth repeating:
Martial would be a *much* more dangerous player, and we might be a *much* more dangerous side if he was more adept at playing off the opposition's backline and wasn't so consistently starting from such a deep position.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 53 seconds ago
Martial for sure. Rashford is nothing more than a finisher.
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Did you not see his pass to set up Fellaini on Thursday?
Don't make him out to be the next Chicharito because he has much more in his locker.
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It was a joke. Just repeating what Robb said about Rashford just a few months back.
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My apologies so
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
Rosso
Yeah I can't see it myself because like you say at least 1 will likely play wide. Rashord has played a bit as a #10 for the youth teams so who knows?
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OK, we shift Martial up top and Rashford in behind, then where does Pogba play #firstteamproblems
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 56 seconds ago
What has rising through the French footballing system got to do with a player not being mentally weak? So with that logic any kid wh grows up in france and can have half a good season is mentally strong, irrelevant of any other issues that may effect a player?
There a numerous things that can effect that and new challenges will bring new obstacles for a player to overcome.
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The point is martial has had more than half a good season in France to get to the point of a full French international cap and signing for one of the biggest clubs in the world. Hardly the achievement of someone you would class as mentally weak. He also excelled in his first full pl season but now all of a sudden he is mentally weak ? 😏
Should have been a question mark in there, sorry. I am crap at. Grammar
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 53 seconds ago
Martial for sure. Rashford is nothing more than a finisher.
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Did you not see his pass to set up Fellaini on Thursday?
Don't make him out to be the next Chicharito because he has much more in his locker.
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It was a joke. Just repeating what Robb said about Rashford just a few months back.
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Thankfully he's proven me wrong
Bla
Just because he has done well to get to where he has doesn't exclude him from having issues mentally. There are numerous factors that can effect a player mentally and your logic doesn't really mean he should be fine.
Splitting up from your wife, your new born baby moving to another country, living abroad alone, opponents having better ideas of how you play, not having the Euro tournament you'd hope, a new manager wanting different things. These are all obstacles that can effect a person mentally and being able to rise up through the French academies doesn't mean he is strong enough to over come them.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Bla
Just because he has done well to get to where he has doesn't exclude him from having issues mentally. There are numerous factors that can effect a player mentally and your logic doesn't really mean he should be fine.
Splitting up from your wife, your new born baby moving to another country, living abroad alone, opponents having better ideas of how you play, not having the Euro tournament you'd hope, a new manager wanting different things. These are all obstacles that can effect a person mentally and being able to rise up through the French academies doesn't mean he is strong enough to over come them.
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This is Bla and he has an agenda remember
Whatever the issue is blame Jose then add a smiley face. Classic Bla.
So many interesting debates to be had with the guy.
Martial by far save for ruining himself with a bad attitude. Rashfords a very good players but the hype machine is ridiculous. Scholes saying he Could be as good as Neymar was beyond cringeworthy, he reminds me of Anelka actually.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Whatever the issue is blame Jose then add a smiley face. Classic Bla.
So many interesting debates to be had with the guy.
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Jose out
😀
comment by Robb : the Martin Samuel of ja606 (U21234)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Whatever the issue is blame Jose then add a smiley face. Classic Bla.
So many interesting debates to be had with the guy.
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Jose out
😀
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😀
The point is it takes a mental strength as well as ability to rise through what is a very talented French schoolboy system play cl football break and break into the French national team at such a young age not to mention securing a transfer to the biggest club in the Pl excelling in your first season
Struggling with a marriage break up is emotionally draining it dosent mean you are mentally weak .
A ridiculous assertion 😄
A ridiculous assertion that has been made by the vast majority on this article?
Throughout life people will come across obstacles that will test their mental strength. In the past year Martial has had to deal with quite a bit and is seemingly struggling as a consequence. That shows that he is effected mentally.
Having risen through the ranks of the French football academies does not prove that he is immune from struggling mentally.
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posted on 13/5/17
I think Martial will be a top player for a top club in continental football leagues rather than the PL. don't think he has the fight and work rate required in England. He seems happy to drift in and out of games for United.
posted on 13/5/17
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 3 seconds ago
Process
While I don't rate CBJ that highly I don't think his loan spell at Wolves proves that much. Kane struggled with loans but that didn't prove much. Every player and loan move is different, often they don't work for a variety of reasons and I think CBJ was unfortunate with the manager being sacked not long after he moved.
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Fair point. Still think we need better at LB. Bertrand could be a great option if the club considers Mendy overpriced.
Also if we are looking for a back up right back I was very impressed with the Celta right back Hugo Mallo. Thought he was arguably their best player. Doubt he'd cost a fortune either.
posted on 13/5/17
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Rosso
Thing is though systems are continually changing and evolving as you know. If a manager can see that a strike partnership would work well against how most teams are currently set up then maybe it could come back. Juve are doing well with it so maybe others will look to that as inspiration?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course it is possible.
4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 and their respective variants have developed and become popular for various reasons, but one thing they both enable (the latter in particular) is more full use of the pitch whilst offering defensive cover. At least one of those things is sacrificed as soon as you shift to two players playing centrally up top.
The various approaches Juve have taken this season, from what I've seen (which has been very limited in all honesty) and read (much more extensive), have seen Higuain deployed as a lone striker as often as he's been supported more closely by one or both of Juve's other forwards.
Dybala's versatility seems to have been the key to their partnership, having been deployed in wide roles, behind and alongside Higuain, but if I'm correct he's only played in about half of Juve's league fixtures.
posted on 13/5/17
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 53 seconds ago
Martial for sure. Rashford is nothing more than a finisher.
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Did you not see his pass to set up Fellaini on Thursday?
Don't make him out to be the next Chicharito because he has much more in his locker.
posted on 13/5/17
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 4 minutes ago
Process
While I don't rate CBJ that highly I don't think his loan spell at Wolves proves that much. Kane struggled with loans but that didn't prove much. Every player and loan move is different, often they don't work for a variety of reasons and I think CBJ was unfortunate with the manager being sacked not long after he moved.
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I'd like to see both CBJ and Riley given a shot this summer before we spunk another £50m on a left back yet to play a game in the PL.
posted on 13/5/17
martial without a doubt
posted on 13/5/17
Rosso
True, I guess defining the role of a player like Dybala isn't so clear. While he is usually labelled a forward and clearly plays behind Higuain you can just as easily label his a #10 or ACM, it's basically just semantics.
posted on 13/5/17
"Rashford is nothing more than a finisher"
I can't tell if this is a joke or not? If anything his finishing is an area he needs to improve greatly. What's so refreshing to watch with Rashford is that he has a lot to his game.
posted on 13/5/17
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 53 seconds ago
Martial for sure. Rashford is nothing more than a finisher.
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Did you not see his pass to set up Fellaini on Thursday?
Don't make him out to be the next Chicharito because he has much more in his locker.
--------
It was a joke. Just repeating what Robb said about Rashford just a few months back.
posted on 13/5/17
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Rosso
True, I guess defining the role of a player like Dybala isn't so clear. While he is usually labelled a forward and clearly plays behind Higuain you can just as easily label his a #10 or ACM, it's basically just semantics.
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Yeah; and I wouldn't argue that Higuain and Dybala aren't a strike partnership, regardless of whether Dybala is playing alongside Higuain, as a slightly deeper number ten, in the hole, or as an inside right. They are both in the side to score goals, and they understand each other and link up well.
Although unlikely for more than one reason IMO, Martial and Rashford *could* form a great strike partnership; it isn't beyond the realms of possibility.
But if it were to happen, it would be overwhelmingly likely that one of the two would still be playing in a wide role with the other stationed centrally.
posted on 13/5/17
Rosso
Yeah I can't see it myself because like you say at least 1 will likely play wide. Rashord has played a bit as a #10 for the youth teams so who knows?
posted on 13/5/17
It has been mentioned above, but is worth repeating:
Martial would be a *much* more dangerous player, and we might be a *much* more dangerous side if he was more adept at playing off the opposition's backline and wasn't so consistently starting from such a deep position.
posted on 13/5/17
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 53 seconds ago
Martial for sure. Rashford is nothing more than a finisher.
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Did you not see his pass to set up Fellaini on Thursday?
Don't make him out to be the next Chicharito because he has much more in his locker.
--------
It was a joke. Just repeating what Robb said about Rashford just a few months back.
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My apologies so
posted on 13/5/17
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
Rosso
Yeah I can't see it myself because like you say at least 1 will likely play wide. Rashord has played a bit as a #10 for the youth teams so who knows?
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OK, we shift Martial up top and Rashford in behind, then where does Pogba play #firstteamproblems
posted on 13/5/17
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 56 seconds ago
What has rising through the French footballing system got to do with a player not being mentally weak? So with that logic any kid wh grows up in france and can have half a good season is mentally strong, irrelevant of any other issues that may effect a player?
There a numerous things that can effect that and new challenges will bring new obstacles for a player to overcome.
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The point is martial has had more than half a good season in France to get to the point of a full French international cap and signing for one of the biggest clubs in the world. Hardly the achievement of someone you would class as mentally weak. He also excelled in his first full pl season but now all of a sudden he is mentally weak ? 😏
posted on 13/5/17
Should have been a question mark in there, sorry. I am crap at. Grammar
posted on 13/5/17
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 53 seconds ago
Martial for sure. Rashford is nothing more than a finisher.
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Did you not see his pass to set up Fellaini on Thursday?
Don't make him out to be the next Chicharito because he has much more in his locker.
--------
It was a joke. Just repeating what Robb said about Rashford just a few months back.
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Thankfully he's proven me wrong
posted on 13/5/17
Bla
Just because he has done well to get to where he has doesn't exclude him from having issues mentally. There are numerous factors that can effect a player mentally and your logic doesn't really mean he should be fine.
Splitting up from your wife, your new born baby moving to another country, living abroad alone, opponents having better ideas of how you play, not having the Euro tournament you'd hope, a new manager wanting different things. These are all obstacles that can effect a person mentally and being able to rise up through the French academies doesn't mean he is strong enough to over come them.
posted on 13/5/17
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Bla
Just because he has done well to get to where he has doesn't exclude him from having issues mentally. There are numerous factors that can effect a player mentally and your logic doesn't really mean he should be fine.
Splitting up from your wife, your new born baby moving to another country, living abroad alone, opponents having better ideas of how you play, not having the Euro tournament you'd hope, a new manager wanting different things. These are all obstacles that can effect a person mentally and being able to rise up through the French academies doesn't mean he is strong enough to over come them.
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This is Bla and he has an agenda remember
posted on 13/5/17
Whatever the issue is blame Jose then add a smiley face. Classic Bla.
So many interesting debates to be had with the guy.
posted on 13/5/17
Martial by far save for ruining himself with a bad attitude. Rashfords a very good players but the hype machine is ridiculous. Scholes saying he Could be as good as Neymar was beyond cringeworthy, he reminds me of Anelka actually.
posted on 13/5/17
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Whatever the issue is blame Jose then add a smiley face. Classic Bla.
So many interesting debates to be had with the guy.
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Jose out
😀
posted on 13/5/17
comment by Robb : the Martin Samuel of ja606 (U21234)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Whatever the issue is blame Jose then add a smiley face. Classic Bla.
So many interesting debates to be had with the guy.
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Jose out
😀
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😀
posted on 13/5/17
The point is it takes a mental strength as well as ability to rise through what is a very talented French schoolboy system play cl football break and break into the French national team at such a young age not to mention securing a transfer to the biggest club in the Pl excelling in your first season
Struggling with a marriage break up is emotionally draining it dosent mean you are mentally weak .
A ridiculous assertion 😄
posted on 13/5/17
A ridiculous assertion that has been made by the vast majority on this article?
Throughout life people will come across obstacles that will test their mental strength. In the past year Martial has had to deal with quite a bit and is seemingly struggling as a consequence. That shows that he is effected mentally.
Having risen through the ranks of the French football academies does not prove that he is immune from struggling mentally.
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