comment by Better Call Ander - It's showtime, folks! (U11781)
posted 19 minutes ago
The likes of Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson are as much hate preachers than the likes of Anjam Choudhary. In fact, they should be inside as well for peddling consistent hatred and bile across social media.

It's disgusting that scuumbags like them are given air time and there are fools that have the gall to defend them. Disgrace.
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I disagree.

Islam should not be excused from criticism and those two (Tommy Robinson in particluar) have said things that the mainstream media simply won't tolerate.

Opposing radical Islam is not inciting hatred and anyone suggesting it does has their head in the clouds.

I don;t think those two are hate preachers either (I was surprised how articulate Robinson was), but they are divisive and they subtlety push people towards their agenda rather than just offering opinions.

It is also worth noting that there are many people who may hold controversial political views. However, only a small percentage of these individuals will be prepared to carry out violent acts. It takes a specific type of character to commit a murder.

comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 1 minute ago
It is also worth noting that there are many people who may hold controversial political views. However, only a small percentage of these individuals will be prepared to carry out violent acts. It takes a specific type of character to commit a murder.
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and that type of character is often easily manipulated and suggestible.

I don't think it is wrong to see where right wing terrorists might encounter opinions that sway them towards an act of violence. We rightly do so with Islamist terror attacks.

I was surprised how articulate Robinson was
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If you get a chance, subscribe to his YouTube channel. It's fascinating viewing.

The problem with any movement to the right will always attract racists/fascists - that's simply unavoidable but it would be a bigger crime to silence the entire right because of the byproducts.

I don't think it is wrong to see where right wing terrorists might encounter opinions that sway them towards an act of violence. We rightly do so with Islamist terror attacks.

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This. I don't get how people are just dismissing this out of hand as 'just some nutter' influenced only by himself.

Surely none of us want to think or hear that there's a stronger, more organised movement behind, but we shouldn't just bury our hands to that possibility.

We don't want to arrive at a place - as has happened before with so many other terrorist organisations - that they're suddenly actual organisations with the power to recruit people to their bloody cause.

Surely we should be looking to learn as much as possible from past lessons, and as much as possible about whatever's driven this attack.

Many people have expressed their fear that it won't be the last, and that this will only escalate, then why just tell ourselves with no further knowledge of the situation that it's just the act of an isolated individual. By all means, let's keep hoping it is, but not stating it as fact.

heads, not hands

comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 14 minutes ago
I think you need to separate the concepts of Islam and Islamism, and switch out the words in your question.

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That would imply i'm ok with Islam.

On the contrary, I disagree with its precepts and i'm perfectly entitled to do so.

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Islam is a religion practised privately by its adherents. It is not an ideology, is apolitical, and in its practise does not require the undertaking of acts that would impact the lives of non-Muslim neighbours.

There is nothing I can see in Islam that contradicts Muslims living peaceably and comfortably in the West alongside non-Muslims. Which is why 99% plus of all Muslims living in the West live peaceably and comfortably alongside non-Muslims.

Islamism is a political ideology that advocates that public and political life should adhere to Islamic principles. As it requires the application of Islamic law, which is fundamentally different to, for example, British law, some principles of Islamism would conflict with life in the West to the extent to which the two would overwhelmingly likely be irreconcilable.

Whatever you think about Islam, and your thoughts are your own and your prerogative, your question doesn't make sense unless you switch out the words Islam and Islamism.

I'm all for freedom of speech, from the extreme left to extreme right. But that doesn't mean social responsibility goes out of the window for people or establishments with large followings.

comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 14 minutes ago
I think you need to separate the concepts of Islam and Islamism, and switch out the words in your question.

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That would imply i'm ok with Islam.

On the contrary, I disagree with its precepts and i'm perfectly entitled to do so.

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Islam is a religion practised privately by its adherents. It is not an ideology, is apolitical, and in its practise does not require the undertaking of acts that would impact the lives of non-Muslim neighbours.

There is nothing I can see in Islam that contradicts Muslims living peaceably and comfortably in the West alongside non-Muslims. Which is why 99% plus of all Muslims living in the West live peaceably and comfortably alongside non-Muslims.

Islamism is a political ideology that advocates that public and political life should adhere to Islamic principles. As it requires the application of Islamic law, which is fundamentally different to, for example, British law, some principles of Islamism would conflict with life in the West to the extent to which the two would overwhelmingly likely be irreconcilable.

Whatever you think about Islam, and your thoughts are your own and your prerogative, your question doesn't make sense unless you switch out the words Islam and Islamism.
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Respectively, I disagree.

The question makes total sense if, contrary to your claims, Islam does impact western lives.

Facts we know so far

1 man responsible
Motives unknown
Eye witnesses have recalled events incorrectly
The man responsible could not have known the religion of those he drove into.

All I am saying is let's not jump to conclusions or use this tragedy as a point scoring oppurtunity.

The man responsible could not have known the religion of those he drove into.
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You're really stupid

comment by John Double Doe (U21516)
posted 2 minutes ago
Facts we know so far

1 man responsible
Motives unknown
Eye witnesses have recalled events incorrectly
The man responsible could not have known the religion of those he drove into.

All I am saying is let's not jump to conclusions or use this tragedy as a point scoring oppurtunity.
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yeah because they were wearing a funky disco outfit coming out of the mosque weren't they? No wonder you've been banned off her twice already.

How so ?

Better

Never been banned mate. How close to the mosque were these people.when they were struck ?

Work it out you moron

Metro

How does Islam impact Western lives then? How does it impact your life?

comment by Better Call Ander - It's showtime, folks! (U11781)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by John Double Doe (U21516)
posted 2 minutes ago
Facts we know so far

1 man responsible
Motives unknown
Eye witnesses have recalled events incorrectly
The man responsible could not have known the religion of those he drove into.

All I am saying is let's not jump to conclusions or use this tragedy as a point scoring oppurtunity.
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yeah because they were wearing a funky disco outfit coming out of the mosque weren't they? No wonder you've been banned off her twice already.
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Maybe they had been to a Ramadan themed fancy dress party.

We just don't know.

Ruiney, quite the abuse and explain please ?

Ruiney, so you dont know how he could identify them as Muslims but are convinced he did / could.

As I said. People are usinf this to push agendas.

and you are using it to push your stupidity to new levels

Im.just not assuming anything if that makes me stupid then so be it.

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comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 1 minute ago
It is also worth noting that there are many people who may hold controversial political views. However, only a small percentage of these individuals will be prepared to carry out violent acts. It takes a specific type of character to commit a murder.
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and that type of character is often easily manipulated and suggestible.

I don't think it is wrong to see where right wing terrorists might encounter opinions that sway them towards an act of violence. We rightly do so with Islamist terror attacks.

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There will always be people who commit acts of political violence though. I agree that these individuals might be swayed by various sources, but unless those sources openly advocate for violence, I think it’s wrong to have them silenced. Freedom of speech is a very important right and I think we’ll be going down a dangerous route if we attempt to put any major restrictions on it.

comment by John Double Doe (U21516)
posted 11 minutes ago
Ruiney, so you dont know how he could identify them as Muslims but are convinced he did / could.
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They were leaving a mosque in the middle of the night during Ramadan, wearing Islamic/prayer dress.

What more do you fecking need?