For £2 extra, which would have cost £5,000 for fire resistant cladding, to put a sprinkler system in, £200k, they gave them £10 million to do that, and they only spent £8m or something like that, so where has that £2million gone?
I’ve got a friend who works for the fire brigade, yesterday on the phone, he said they found about 42 bodies in one room, all hiding together, no-one knows that. It’s only because we know the fireman that he told us this. 42 bodies in one room, from children to old people – but they’re not going to tell you that."
Someone's lying, and I'm not banking money on it being the locals who have nothing to gain from it.
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 10 seconds ago
For £2 extra, which would have cost £5,000 for fire resistant cladding, to put a sprinkler system in, £200k, they gave them £10 million to do that, and they only spent £8m or something like that, so where has that £2million gone?
I’ve got a friend who works for the fire brigade, yesterday on the phone, he said they found about 42 bodies in one room, all hiding together, no-one knows that. It’s only because we know the fireman that he told us this. 42 bodies in one room, from children to old people – but they’re not going to tell you that."
Someone's lying, and I'm not banking money on it being the locals who have nothing to gain from it.
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Not forgetting this is a council with a £300m surplus who gave the rich folk down the road a £100 council tax rebate recently.
Robb, I don't think Arab should stop riding the underground for fear of contracting a cancer or heart attack there.
The figures for the dead in Grenfell will forever be unknown, i think.
Anyone who knows how things work in London will know full well that alot these properties will have been over occupied. 6 people sharing 1 bedroom, etc.
Such a tragedy.
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 13 minutes ago
Robb
So the Tories are in no way to blame, apart from the Tory Housing Minister, the Tory local council and the Tory government.
What is this evidence you're on about?
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There are people to blame on both sides. Do your research and you'll find it's not as one sided as it appears - go look at the members of the residents committee and what party they belonged to
I don't think Labour or Tory are evil or pantomime villains. I just think that on both sides some wrong decisions were made which led to this. Hopefully now right decisions are made
comment by Arthur Johnson (U6426)
posted 11 minutes ago
Robb, I don't think Arab should stop riding the underground for fear of contracting a cancer or heart attack there.
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You're probably more likely to die from a heart attack on the tube than a terrorist attack
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 15 minutes ago
For £2 extra, which would have cost £5,000 for fire resistant cladding, to put a sprinkler system in, £200k, they gave them £10 million to do that, and they only spent £8m or something like that, so where has that £2million gone?
I’ve got a friend who works for the fire brigade, yesterday on the phone, he said they found about 42 bodies in one room, all hiding together, no-one knows that. It’s only because we know the fireman that he told us this. 42 bodies in one room, from children to old people – but they’re not going to tell you that."
Someone's lying, and I'm not banking money on it being the locals who have nothing to gain from it.
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I think it's more likely that 42 people being in one room found dead is the lie
So it was just 1 nutter and not the 3 reported earlier by "eye witnesses"
It also happened nowhere near the mosque or welfare house.
Also no mention of him yelling he wanted to "kill all muslims"
Just goes to show we shouldnt speculate. Sounds like a solo nutter.
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 10 minutes ago
I’ve got a friend who works for the fire brigade, yesterday on the phone, he said they found about 42 bodies in one room, all hiding together, no-one knows that. It’s only because we know the fireman that he told us this. 42 bodies in one room, from children to old people – but they’re not going to tell you that."
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That's horrific, it doesn't bear thinking about.
Tbh though, I couldn't really care less about the political persuasion of the people responsible for all the neglect that led to this.
The are tons of bas·tards in political positions who'd define themselves as left-leaning and are just a bunch of self-serving hypocrites.
Not all politicians are like that, but the higher up the ladder you go, the less and less likely it gets to find people who are true to their ideals.
Which has absolutely loads to do with us being where we at today.
comment by Robb Van Nistelrooy (U21234)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 15 minutes ago
For £2 extra, which would have cost £5,000 for fire resistant cladding, to put a sprinkler system in, £200k, they gave them £10 million to do that, and they only spent £8m or something like that, so where has that £2million gone?
I’ve got a friend who works for the fire brigade, yesterday on the phone, he said they found about 42 bodies in one room, all hiding together, no-one knows that. It’s only because we know the fireman that he told us this. 42 bodies in one room, from children to old people – but they’re not going to tell you that."
Someone's lying, and I'm not banking money on it being the locals who have nothing to gain from it.
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I think it's more likely that 42 people being in one room found dead is the lie
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why? what possible reason would they have to lie?
I don't think Labour or Tory are evil or pantomime villains
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most tories dont think they are, however history will suggest otherwise.
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Robb Van Nistelrooy (U21234)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 15 minutes ago
For £2 extra, which would have cost £5,000 for fire resistant cladding, to put a sprinkler system in, £200k, they gave them £10 million to do that, and they only spent £8m or something like that, so where has that £2million gone?
I’ve got a friend who works for the fire brigade, yesterday on the phone, he said they found about 42 bodies in one room, all hiding together, no-one knows that. It’s only because we know the fireman that he told us this. 42 bodies in one room, from children to old people – but they’re not going to tell you that."
Someone's lying, and I'm not banking money on it being the locals who have nothing to gain from it.
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I think it's more likely that 42 people being in one room found dead is the lie
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why? what possible reason would they have to lie?
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The same logic which sees people think the government are covering up the real amount
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 4 seconds ago
I don't think Labour or Tory are evil or pantomime villains
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most tories dont think they are, however history will suggest otherwise.
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I'm sure Tony Blair thinks he's a good man too
Corbyn and his ilk will relish another opportunity to drag society down to his accepted and desired base level even if it means the usual rentamob getting out to antagonise.
I was born in his borough and left 25 years ago and despite its links to money his north Islington area has regressed so terribly,boarded up shops,once busy thoroughfares and anyone that regularly goes Arsenal will know that where once a vibrant part of Islington existed it is now a pale shadow of bygone days.
People like him sheet stirring and getting political capital from horror are a disgrace. Crocodile tears from trots are the same as those from fascists to me.
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Corbyn and his ilk will relish another opportunity to drag society down to his accepted and desired base level even if it means the usual rentamob getting out to antagonise.
I was born in his borough and left 25 years ago and despite its links to money his north Islington area has regressed so terribly,boarded up shops,once busy thoroughfares and anyone that regularly goes Arsenal will know that where once a vibrant part of Islington existed it is now a pale shadow of bygone days.
People like him sheet stirring and getting political capital from horror are a disgrace. Crocodile tears from trots are the same as those from fascists to me.
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nonce
comment by Robb Van Nistelrooy (U21234)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 4 seconds ago
I don't think Labour or Tory are evil or pantomime villains
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most tories dont think they are, however history will suggest otherwise.
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I'm sure Tony Blair thinks he's a good man too
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him and tories have a lot in common, from their politics to the fact they are both not good people.
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Robb Van Nistelrooy (U21234)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 4 seconds ago
I don't think Labour or Tory are evil or pantomime villains
=-==========
most tories dont think they are, however history will suggest otherwise.
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I'm sure Tony Blair thinks he's a good man too
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him and tories have a lot in common, from their politics to the fact they are both not good people.
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What about gormless brown cook two jags livingstone, are they good people or self serving clowns too?
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Robb Van Nistelrooy (U21234)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 4 seconds ago
I don't think Labour or Tory are evil or pantomime villains
=-==========
most tories dont think they are, however history will suggest otherwise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm sure Tony Blair thinks he's a good man too
----------------------------------------------------------------------
him and tories have a lot in common, from their politics to the fact they are both not good people.
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What about gormless brown cook two jags livingstone, are they good people or self serving clowns too?
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they may well be self serving, they arent however evil like the vast majoirty of tory bastads.
that said, blair is.
Anyone who can kill an innocent person has something wrong in their head.
There is a fine line between evil and mental in my opinion.
Eg. the guy who planned the WTC attacks was evil, the guys carrying out were facking mental.
That's how I see it anyway.
The guy who planned it wanted to see a country fall to its knees and the guys who carried it out believed they would be sent to heaven where they will exist forever in paradise.
I didn't even mean to send that, oh well.
Labour Tory how naive are you to think there's a difference anymore.
Labours war on terror is the worst decision made by any government.
Why on earth is this thread about Tory or Labour. It is about two ideologies that will never see eye to eye.
The really scary thing about last night's disgusting cowardly act is this..
While the death and injury toll wasn't as bad as Manchester, Westminster or London Bridge, the possible repercussions are far worse. A tit-for-tat escalation is the worst possible thing that can happen.
Tit-forTat has already started, this in all likely hood was a reaction to Manchester London attacks.
It was only a matter of time before this sort of revenge terror attack was going to happen. I am all for asking tough questions of religion fundamentalism (especially of Islam) but it seems in the west this stance has become the domain of the far-right, racial supremacist, conspiracy-believing nutjobs, rather than (as it should be) progressives and liberals. So these low IQ knuckle-draggers with violent tendencies and caricaturish 'us vs them' worldviews (as with the religious fundamentalists) see themselves as the sole pushback against Islamic extremism.
You should see the sort of echo chambers that these guys take refuge in online - places where these sort of folk reinforce their beliefs of the Islamisation of Europe, revere the military, and evoke the memory of historical figures like Richard the Lionheart or events like the Battle of Vienna. It's a childish, apocalyptic, good vs evil view of the world, just as with the religious fundamentalists.
The centre/vocal left needs to wrestle back control of religious critique from the far-right so that we a) have an honest discussion about how best to tackle Islamic extremism and b) de-fuse the growing and dangerous rage within the far right. Otherwise you are just allowing extremists to be the only ones proposing solutions, thus dragging the moderates towards their fringes.
RIP old man
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posted on 19/6/17
For £2 extra, which would have cost £5,000 for fire resistant cladding, to put a sprinkler system in, £200k, they gave them £10 million to do that, and they only spent £8m or something like that, so where has that £2million gone?
I’ve got a friend who works for the fire brigade, yesterday on the phone, he said they found about 42 bodies in one room, all hiding together, no-one knows that. It’s only because we know the fireman that he told us this. 42 bodies in one room, from children to old people – but they’re not going to tell you that."
Someone's lying, and I'm not banking money on it being the locals who have nothing to gain from it.
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 10 seconds ago
For £2 extra, which would have cost £5,000 for fire resistant cladding, to put a sprinkler system in, £200k, they gave them £10 million to do that, and they only spent £8m or something like that, so where has that £2million gone?
I’ve got a friend who works for the fire brigade, yesterday on the phone, he said they found about 42 bodies in one room, all hiding together, no-one knows that. It’s only because we know the fireman that he told us this. 42 bodies in one room, from children to old people – but they’re not going to tell you that."
Someone's lying, and I'm not banking money on it being the locals who have nothing to gain from it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not forgetting this is a council with a £300m surplus who gave the rich folk down the road a £100 council tax rebate recently.
posted on 19/6/17
Robb, I don't think Arab should stop riding the underground for fear of contracting a cancer or heart attack there.
posted on 19/6/17
The figures for the dead in Grenfell will forever be unknown, i think.
Anyone who knows how things work in London will know full well that alot these properties will have been over occupied. 6 people sharing 1 bedroom, etc.
Such a tragedy.
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 13 minutes ago
Robb
So the Tories are in no way to blame, apart from the Tory Housing Minister, the Tory local council and the Tory government.
What is this evidence you're on about?
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There are people to blame on both sides. Do your research and you'll find it's not as one sided as it appears - go look at the members of the residents committee and what party they belonged to
I don't think Labour or Tory are evil or pantomime villains. I just think that on both sides some wrong decisions were made which led to this. Hopefully now right decisions are made
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Arthur Johnson (U6426)
posted 11 minutes ago
Robb, I don't think Arab should stop riding the underground for fear of contracting a cancer or heart attack there.
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You're probably more likely to die from a heart attack on the tube than a terrorist attack
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 15 minutes ago
For £2 extra, which would have cost £5,000 for fire resistant cladding, to put a sprinkler system in, £200k, they gave them £10 million to do that, and they only spent £8m or something like that, so where has that £2million gone?
I’ve got a friend who works for the fire brigade, yesterday on the phone, he said they found about 42 bodies in one room, all hiding together, no-one knows that. It’s only because we know the fireman that he told us this. 42 bodies in one room, from children to old people – but they’re not going to tell you that."
Someone's lying, and I'm not banking money on it being the locals who have nothing to gain from it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think it's more likely that 42 people being in one room found dead is the lie
posted on 19/6/17
So it was just 1 nutter and not the 3 reported earlier by "eye witnesses"
It also happened nowhere near the mosque or welfare house.
Also no mention of him yelling he wanted to "kill all muslims"
Just goes to show we shouldnt speculate. Sounds like a solo nutter.
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 10 minutes ago
I’ve got a friend who works for the fire brigade, yesterday on the phone, he said they found about 42 bodies in one room, all hiding together, no-one knows that. It’s only because we know the fireman that he told us this. 42 bodies in one room, from children to old people – but they’re not going to tell you that."
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That's horrific, it doesn't bear thinking about.
Tbh though, I couldn't really care less about the political persuasion of the people responsible for all the neglect that led to this.
The are tons of bas·tards in political positions who'd define themselves as left-leaning and are just a bunch of self-serving hypocrites.
Not all politicians are like that, but the higher up the ladder you go, the less and less likely it gets to find people who are true to their ideals.
Which has absolutely loads to do with us being where we at today.
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Robb Van Nistelrooy (U21234)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 15 minutes ago
For £2 extra, which would have cost £5,000 for fire resistant cladding, to put a sprinkler system in, £200k, they gave them £10 million to do that, and they only spent £8m or something like that, so where has that £2million gone?
I’ve got a friend who works for the fire brigade, yesterday on the phone, he said they found about 42 bodies in one room, all hiding together, no-one knows that. It’s only because we know the fireman that he told us this. 42 bodies in one room, from children to old people – but they’re not going to tell you that."
Someone's lying, and I'm not banking money on it being the locals who have nothing to gain from it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think it's more likely that 42 people being in one room found dead is the lie
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why? what possible reason would they have to lie?
posted on 19/6/17
I don't think Labour or Tory are evil or pantomime villains
=-==========
most tories dont think they are, however history will suggest otherwise.
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Robb Van Nistelrooy (U21234)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 15 minutes ago
For £2 extra, which would have cost £5,000 for fire resistant cladding, to put a sprinkler system in, £200k, they gave them £10 million to do that, and they only spent £8m or something like that, so where has that £2million gone?
I’ve got a friend who works for the fire brigade, yesterday on the phone, he said they found about 42 bodies in one room, all hiding together, no-one knows that. It’s only because we know the fireman that he told us this. 42 bodies in one room, from children to old people – but they’re not going to tell you that."
Someone's lying, and I'm not banking money on it being the locals who have nothing to gain from it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think it's more likely that 42 people being in one room found dead is the lie
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why? what possible reason would they have to lie?
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The same logic which sees people think the government are covering up the real amount
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 4 seconds ago
I don't think Labour or Tory are evil or pantomime villains
=-==========
most tories dont think they are, however history will suggest otherwise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm sure Tony Blair thinks he's a good man too
posted on 19/6/17
Corbyn and his ilk will relish another opportunity to drag society down to his accepted and desired base level even if it means the usual rentamob getting out to antagonise.
I was born in his borough and left 25 years ago and despite its links to money his north Islington area has regressed so terribly,boarded up shops,once busy thoroughfares and anyone that regularly goes Arsenal will know that where once a vibrant part of Islington existed it is now a pale shadow of bygone days.
People like him sheet stirring and getting political capital from horror are a disgrace. Crocodile tears from trots are the same as those from fascists to me.
posted on 19/6/17
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posted on 19/6/17
Corbyn and his ilk will relish another opportunity to drag society down to his accepted and desired base level even if it means the usual rentamob getting out to antagonise.
I was born in his borough and left 25 years ago and despite its links to money his north Islington area has regressed so terribly,boarded up shops,once busy thoroughfares and anyone that regularly goes Arsenal will know that where once a vibrant part of Islington existed it is now a pale shadow of bygone days.
People like him sheet stirring and getting political capital from horror are a disgrace. Crocodile tears from trots are the same as those from fascists to me.
===========
nonce
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Robb Van Nistelrooy (U21234)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 4 seconds ago
I don't think Labour or Tory are evil or pantomime villains
=-==========
most tories dont think they are, however history will suggest otherwise.
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I'm sure Tony Blair thinks he's a good man too
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him and tories have a lot in common, from their politics to the fact they are both not good people.
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Robb Van Nistelrooy (U21234)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 4 seconds ago
I don't think Labour or Tory are evil or pantomime villains
=-==========
most tories dont think they are, however history will suggest otherwise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm sure Tony Blair thinks he's a good man too
----------------------------------------------------------------------
him and tories have a lot in common, from their politics to the fact they are both not good people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What about gormless brown cook two jags livingstone, are they good people or self serving clowns too?
posted on 19/6/17
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Robb Van Nistelrooy (U21234)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 4 seconds ago
I don't think Labour or Tory are evil or pantomime villains
=-==========
most tories dont think they are, however history will suggest otherwise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm sure Tony Blair thinks he's a good man too
----------------------------------------------------------------------
him and tories have a lot in common, from their politics to the fact they are both not good people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What about gormless brown cook two jags livingstone, are they good people or self serving clowns too?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
they may well be self serving, they arent however evil like the vast majoirty of tory bastads.
that said, blair is.
posted on 19/6/17
Anyone who can kill an innocent person has something wrong in their head.
There is a fine line between evil and mental in my opinion.
Eg. the guy who planned the WTC attacks was evil, the guys carrying out were facking mental.
That's how I see it anyway.
The guy who planned it wanted to see a country fall to its knees and the guys who carried it out believed they would be sent to heaven where they will exist forever in paradise.
posted on 19/6/17
I didn't even mean to send that, oh well.
posted on 19/6/17
Labour Tory how naive are you to think there's a difference anymore.
Labours war on terror is the worst decision made by any government.
posted on 19/6/17
Why on earth is this thread about Tory or Labour. It is about two ideologies that will never see eye to eye.
The really scary thing about last night's disgusting cowardly act is this..
While the death and injury toll wasn't as bad as Manchester, Westminster or London Bridge, the possible repercussions are far worse. A tit-for-tat escalation is the worst possible thing that can happen.
posted on 19/6/17
Tit-forTat has already started, this in all likely hood was a reaction to Manchester London attacks.
posted on 19/6/17
It was only a matter of time before this sort of revenge terror attack was going to happen. I am all for asking tough questions of religion fundamentalism (especially of Islam) but it seems in the west this stance has become the domain of the far-right, racial supremacist, conspiracy-believing nutjobs, rather than (as it should be) progressives and liberals. So these low IQ knuckle-draggers with violent tendencies and caricaturish 'us vs them' worldviews (as with the religious fundamentalists) see themselves as the sole pushback against Islamic extremism.
You should see the sort of echo chambers that these guys take refuge in online - places where these sort of folk reinforce their beliefs of the Islamisation of Europe, revere the military, and evoke the memory of historical figures like Richard the Lionheart or events like the Battle of Vienna. It's a childish, apocalyptic, good vs evil view of the world, just as with the religious fundamentalists.
The centre/vocal left needs to wrestle back control of religious critique from the far-right so that we a) have an honest discussion about how best to tackle Islamic extremism and b) de-fuse the growing and dangerous rage within the far right. Otherwise you are just allowing extremists to be the only ones proposing solutions, thus dragging the moderates towards their fringes.
RIP old man
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