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Kung Fu / RDD
I think the missing subtext is that there's a general rule that when a Muslim kills a bunch of people, he's universally described as a terrorist (whether the individual is suffering from schizophrenia or not) but when it's a white dude large sections of the mainstream media seem queasy about using the T-word. Instead they focus on the fact that the perpetrator was a loner / troubled / a nutcase. This is the double standard to which KFC was alluding.
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To be fair to the Daily Mail they're running this as a terrorist attack much like they would if it were muslims killing people.
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Perhaps some of the leading advertisers have advised Dacre they're worried about being tarnished by association with an organisation linked to radicalisation.
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Dacre gets a free pass from me for his excellent work in the Stephen Lawrence case.
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Yeah, Stalin oversaw a revolution in state-funded healthcare and Hitler was a vegetarian, so it's all swings and roundabouts really isn't it Robb?
The most important response is that of the people, and it must say that we are one, and we will never be divided.
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We are a massively divided society right now though and we need to accept this and address it.
There are big chunks of the mainstream media that are trying to divide the nation... sneering and looking down at the "liberals" who light candles, start hashtags and pray for peace... They are constantly asking for action without specifying what the action should be... Which plays right into the hands of the right wing who think that action is to start attacking muslims.
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posted 54 seconds ago
Kung Fu / RDD
I think the missing subtext is that there's a general rule that when a Muslim kills a bunch of people, he's universally described as a terrorist (whether the individual is suffering from schizophrenia or not) but when it's a white dude large sections of the mainstream media seem queasy about using the T-word. Instead they focus on the fact that the perpetrator was a loner / troubled / a nutcase. This is the double standard to which KFC was alluding.
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To be fair to the Daily Mail they're running this as a terrorist attack much like they would if it were muslims killing people.
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Perhaps some of the leading advertisers have advised Dacre they're worried about being tarnished by association with an organisation linked to radicalisation.
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Dacre gets a free pass from me for his excellent work in the Stephen Lawrence case.
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Yeah, Stalin oversaw a revolution in state-funded healthcare and Hitler was a vegetarian, so it's all swings and roundabouts really isn't it Robb?
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Weird that you'd compare him to two of the most evil people in history
#sledgehammer #walnut
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The sad thing is, like somebody said earlier, this is exactly what IS want.
We need to rally around and support the Muslim community just like we have with the others that were killed.
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I'm sure we will. Just like the Muslim community did in the aftermath of recent attacks.
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Exactly this
The most important response is that of the people, and it must say that we are one, and we will never be divided.
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You do realise that's a Liverpool fan you're agreeing with, don't you?
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Everybody gets a from me today IOAG.
Thank you also for sticking up for KFC. He isn't a racist, and has, as you say, been subject to a completely unfair character assassination.
I can't help but feel people are just goading him now, trying to get a rise out of him. This is not a morning on which people should be going out of their way to start another divisive debate on religion, which is more often than not where the ad hominem attacks on KFC end up.
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comment by Ruiney (U1005)
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The sad thing is, like somebody said earlier, this is exactly what IS want.
We need to rally around and support the Muslim community just like we have with the others that were killed.
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I'm sure we will. Just like the Muslim community did in the aftermath of recent attacks.
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Exactly this
The most important response is that of the people, and it must say that we are one, and we will never be divided.
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You do realise that's a Liverpool fan you're agreeing with, don't you?
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Loz, let me use your same reasoning:
The terrorists attacking innocent people on bridges in London or at concert venues in Manchester will also claim to be taking revenge for innocent lives taken in the Middle East. That they or someone else claims that they're acting under the umbrella of some wider orgnisation doesn't change their actual motivations.
They will claim that their acts have been legitimated by a god; it's by no means out of the realms of possibility that this Finsbury guy will claim he's legitimated by a duty to defend his country, or some such bull.
If this guy is just a thick as fook asshat, does that mean the others are just that too?
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comment by Robb Van Nistelrooy (U21234)
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 54 seconds ago
Kung Fu / RDD
I think the missing subtext is that there's a general rule that when a Muslim kills a bunch of people, he's universally described as a terrorist (whether the individual is suffering from schizophrenia or not) but when it's a white dude large sections of the mainstream media seem queasy about using the T-word. Instead they focus on the fact that the perpetrator was a loner / troubled / a nutcase. This is the double standard to which KFC was alluding.
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To be fair to the Daily Mail they're running this as a terrorist attack much like they would if it were muslims killing people.
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Perhaps some of the leading advertisers have advised Dacre they're worried about being tarnished by association with an organisation linked to radicalisation.
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Dacre gets a free pass from me for his excellent work in the Stephen Lawrence case.
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Yeah, Stalin oversaw a revolution in state-funded healthcare and Hitler was a vegetarian, so it's all swings and roundabouts really isn't it Robb?
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Weird that you'd compare him to two of the most evil people in history
#sledgehammer #walnut
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Dacre has arguably done as much damage to this country as any other single individual barring a very small handful in the last seventy years.
So no, I wouldn't have any problem addressing him with a sledgehammer. Metaphorically speaking, of course.
comment by Arthur Johnson (U6426)
posted 6 minutes ago
Loz, let me use your same reasoning:
The terrorists attacking innocent people on bridges in London or at concert venues in Manchester will also claim to be taking revenge for innocent lives taken in the Middle East. That they or someone else claims that they're acting under the umbrella of some wider orgnisation doesn't change their actual motivations.
They will claim that their acts have been legitimated by a god; it's by no means out of the realms of possibility that this Finsbury guy will claim he's legitimated by a duty to defend his country, or some such bull.
If this guy is just a thick as fook asshat, does that mean the others are just that too?
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Yes totaly asshats, a magical sky being told me to kill you.
And they do, well that's thick as fook to me.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 19 minutes ago
I disagree, The motive for this is plain and simple revenge.
An act of terror not motivated by religion or politics but revenge.
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I think that could often be used as justification for many terror attacks.
Religion and politics might get brought into it, but revenge for deaths in the middle east will often play a part.
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There wasn't just peace, then we went into the middle east and now there are issues.
There are elements of everything in this whole situation. There have always been people trying to spread religion and recruit more followers and it's frequently aggressive. There are religious elements at fault as well as political ones, general intolerance and ignorance have their parts to play as well.
It can't be chalked down to 'issues in the middle east' any more than an issue with the whole Muslim or British population. I'm not religious in the slightest, my personal feelings about religion aside, I respect people's rights to believe what they want, as long as it doesn't encroach on others. Despite this, I try to have some level of understanding of understanding of the history etc. I'm not an expert but didn't Muhammad flee mekkah and go to Medina, because of the issues with differences in Islam and what the pagan Arabs believed? Issues between poly and monotheism caused problems and it isn't all too different to certain peole in Britain now, for example, seeing other beliefs as a threat to 'their' way of life.
Britain wasn't in the middle east then but it didn't stop social and religious differences causing issues with society.
There will be people involved in most religions, who believe everybody should follow that way of life.
Currently, there is friction with Islam, as there has been with Christianity before it.
This isn't a new thing. We're not as socially advanced as we like to think we are. We try to accept different people's beliefs and backgrounds but there will always be issues caused by it.
note the word "often" play a part.
This is a very complex issue... But the eye for an eye aspect to alot of terrorism can't be ignored.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 16 minutes ago
The most important response is that of the people, and it must say that we are one, and we will never be divided.
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We are a massively divided society right now though and we need to accept this and address it.
There are big chunks of the mainstream media that are trying to divide the nation... sneering and looking down at the "liberals" who light candles, start hashtags and pray for peace... They are constantly asking for action without specifying what the action should be... Which plays right into the hands of the right wing who think that action is to start attacking muslims.
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This.
Largely accurate.
wherever you look at most of the major conflictual 'hotspots' on this globe of ours, you will find Muslims being killed for ridiculous, unreasonable, ideology.
the mainstream media will tread carefully over this particular attack (being partly responsible for motivating just such actions) but it will be covered very differently from other similar attacks carried out by individuals viewed by its, editorial policy, agents and target audience as different.
the mainstream media makes money out of dividing societies. It sells, simple as that.
political representatives are a mixture of lazy thinking, cowardly, self interested and personally weak individuals. The cannot address such divisions because the mainstream media will slaughter them
Just read on another thread that after the apprehended attacker was taken down, an imam stepped in to protect him from the public.
Has this been confirmed by any press reports?
If it is true, the guy deserves to be commended.
'The terrorists attacking innocent people on bridges in London or at concert venues in Manchester will also claim to be taking revenge for innocent lives taken in the Middle East.'
Please stop. Have a look into the history of Islam and the violence, its been happening long before all this' issues in the middle east'.
This isn't just Islam, I'm simply using it as an example because it is relevant to this discussion.
Part of my issue with religion on the whole is it gives individuals a platform and power that no individual should have. It makes it much easier to drive an agenda, when you have anything supernatural supposedly in your favour.
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Please stop. Have a look into the history of Islam and the violence, its been happening long before all this' issues in the middle east'.
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Actually, the concept of muslim suicide bombing is VERY modern and very much aligned to the issues in the middle east.
This is all addressed in the documentary "hyper normalisation" by adam curtis.
Of course, the middle east was no bastion of peace (where in the world is?)... but terror attacks are a very modern phenomenon.
What does it matter what his motivation was ?
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Because it is always wise to be as informed as possible, with a goal to try and stop the next one.
Guys
What does it matter what his motivation was ? Nothing condones these acts and they should be condemned bu all, whoever is responsible.
I'm really surprised at the amount of casual racism flung around on this forum.
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 8 minutes ago
Just read on another thread that after the apprehended attacker was taken down, an imam stepped in to protect him from the public.
Has this been confirmed by any press reports?
If it is true, the guy deserves to be commended.
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I'm sorry, what was he meant to do, let the guy get beaten to death ffs
Thats what you do in this country!
'I'm really surprised a thlhe amount of casual racism flung around on this forum'
I haven't seen any 'racism'
Unfortu a term that is banded around far too often these days and heavily used to try and shut down any kind of conversation of this nature.
If you're referring to peole in tolerating islam for example. That isn't racism. Islam is Na ideal, not a race. You could, for example, despise Islam (or Christianity for that matter), it doesn't make you 'racist'. It is not a race.
You would be discriminating against someone for their ideals, not anything to do with their race.
Anytime someone disagrees with someone, they are just branded a racist. So much so that it's almost desensitized it now. A racist is an appaling outlook and is in no way connected to someone's view points about a set of ideals or morales.
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Just read on another thread that after the apprehended attacker was taken down, an imam stepped in to protect him from the public.
Has this been confirmed by any press reports?
If it is true, the guy deserves to be commended.
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You have to admire his restraint and dignity, but to be honest I would respect him no less if he joined in giving the perp a kicking. It is the least he deserves
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comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 8 minutes ago
Just read on another thread that after the apprehended attacker was taken down, an imam stepped in to protect him from the public.
Has this been confirmed by any press reports?
If it is true, the guy deserves to be commended.
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I'm sorry, what was he meant to do, let the guy get beaten to death ffs
Thats what you do in this country!
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He could have done absolutely nothing.
Imagine watching somebody deliberately run over your family or friends, then stepping in to defend them.
I cannot imagine that is a particularly easy thing to do.
Im talking about people with a certain name being terrorists.
Imagine if that was a list of Asian names.
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comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 8 minutes ago
Just read on another thread that after the apprehended attacker was taken down, an imam stepped in to protect him from the public.
Has this been confirmed by any press reports?
If it is true, the guy deserves to be commended.
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I'm sorry, what was he meant to do, let the guy get beaten to death ffs
Thats what you do in this country!
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He could have done absolutely nothing.
Imagine watching somebody deliberately run over your family or friends, then stepping in to defend them.
I cannot imagine that is a particularly easy thing to do.
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you detain them and wait for the police, any kind of unnecessary violence and you're no better than them and you're also breaking the law
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posted 1 minute ago
'I'm really surprised a thlhe amount of casual racism flung around on this forum'
I haven't seen any 'racism'
Unfortu a term that is banded around far too often these days and heavily used to try and shut down any kind of conversation of this nature.
If you're referring to peole in tolerating islam for example. That isn't racism. Islam is Na ideal, not a race. You could, for example, despise Islam (or Christianity for that matter), it doesn't make you 'racist'. It is not a race.
You would be discriminating against someone for their ideals, not anything to do with their race.
Anytime someone disagrees with someone, they are just branded a racist. So much so that it's almost desensitized it now. A racist is an appaling outlook and is in no way connected to someone's view points about a set of ideals or morales.
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There are several things very wrong with this post.
Islam is not an 'ideal', it is a religion. There is a very, very big difference between those two things, and they are best not confused.
And it is possible to question, or even dislike, Islam without disliking or discriminating against Muslims. You seem to be suggesting that by despising Islam, a person would be by default discriminating against Muslims, which is also false.
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comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
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Just read on another thread that after the apprehended attacker was taken down, an imam stepped in to protect him from the public.
Has this been confirmed by any press reports?
If it is true, the guy deserves to be commended.
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I'm sorry, what was he meant to do, let the guy get beaten to death ffs
Thats what you do in this country!
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He could have done absolutely nothing.
Imagine watching somebody deliberately run over your family or friends, then stepping in to defend them.
I cannot imagine that is a particularly easy thing to do.
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you detain them and wait for the police, any kind of unnecessary violence and you're no better than them and you're also breaking the law
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Of course, ideally that's what you'd do.
I'm just saying that given the circumstances, that's (much) easier said than done.
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comment by Robb Van Nistelrooy (U21234)
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
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comment by Robb Van Nistelrooy (U21234)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 54 seconds ago
Kung Fu / RDD
I think the missing subtext is that there's a general rule that when a Muslim kills a bunch of people, he's universally described as a terrorist (whether the individual is suffering from schizophrenia or not) but when it's a white dude large sections of the mainstream media seem queasy about using the T-word. Instead they focus on the fact that the perpetrator was a loner / troubled / a nutcase. This is the double standard to which KFC was alluding.
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To be fair to the Daily Mail they're running this as a terrorist attack much like they would if it were muslims killing people.
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Perhaps some of the leading advertisers have advised Dacre they're worried about being tarnished by association with an organisation linked to radicalisation.
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Dacre gets a free pass from me for his excellent work in the Stephen Lawrence case.
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Yeah, Stalin oversaw a revolution in state-funded healthcare and Hitler was a vegetarian, so it's all swings and roundabouts really isn't it Robb?
posted on 19/6/17
The most important response is that of the people, and it must say that we are one, and we will never be divided.
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We are a massively divided society right now though and we need to accept this and address it.
There are big chunks of the mainstream media that are trying to divide the nation... sneering and looking down at the "liberals" who light candles, start hashtags and pray for peace... They are constantly asking for action without specifying what the action should be... Which plays right into the hands of the right wing who think that action is to start attacking muslims.
posted on 19/6/17
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb Van Nistelrooy (U21234)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb Van Nistelrooy (U21234)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 54 seconds ago
Kung Fu / RDD
I think the missing subtext is that there's a general rule that when a Muslim kills a bunch of people, he's universally described as a terrorist (whether the individual is suffering from schizophrenia or not) but when it's a white dude large sections of the mainstream media seem queasy about using the T-word. Instead they focus on the fact that the perpetrator was a loner / troubled / a nutcase. This is the double standard to which KFC was alluding.
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To be fair to the Daily Mail they're running this as a terrorist attack much like they would if it were muslims killing people.
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Perhaps some of the leading advertisers have advised Dacre they're worried about being tarnished by association with an organisation linked to radicalisation.
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Dacre gets a free pass from me for his excellent work in the Stephen Lawrence case.
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Yeah, Stalin oversaw a revolution in state-funded healthcare and Hitler was a vegetarian, so it's all swings and roundabouts really isn't it Robb?
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Weird that you'd compare him to two of the most evil people in history
#sledgehammer #walnut
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Arthur Johnson (U6426)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 35 seconds ago
The sad thing is, like somebody said earlier, this is exactly what IS want.
We need to rally around and support the Muslim community just like we have with the others that were killed.
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I'm sure we will. Just like the Muslim community did in the aftermath of recent attacks.
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Exactly this
The most important response is that of the people, and it must say that we are one, and we will never be divided.
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You do realise that's a Liverpool fan you're agreeing with, don't you?
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Everybody gets a from me today IOAG.
Thank you also for sticking up for KFC. He isn't a racist, and has, as you say, been subject to a completely unfair character assassination.
I can't help but feel people are just goading him now, trying to get a rise out of him. This is not a morning on which people should be going out of their way to start another divisive debate on religion, which is more often than not where the ad hominem attacks on KFC end up.
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Arthur Johnson (U6426)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 35 seconds ago
The sad thing is, like somebody said earlier, this is exactly what IS want.
We need to rally around and support the Muslim community just like we have with the others that were killed.
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I'm sure we will. Just like the Muslim community did in the aftermath of recent attacks.
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Exactly this
The most important response is that of the people, and it must say that we are one, and we will never be divided.
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You do realise that's a Liverpool fan you're agreeing with, don't you?
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posted on 19/6/17
Loz, let me use your same reasoning:
The terrorists attacking innocent people on bridges in London or at concert venues in Manchester will also claim to be taking revenge for innocent lives taken in the Middle East. That they or someone else claims that they're acting under the umbrella of some wider orgnisation doesn't change their actual motivations.
They will claim that their acts have been legitimated by a god; it's by no means out of the realms of possibility that this Finsbury guy will claim he's legitimated by a duty to defend his country, or some such bull.
If this guy is just a thick as fook asshat, does that mean the others are just that too?
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Robb Van Nistelrooy (U21234)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb Van Nistelrooy (U21234)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb Van Nistelrooy (U21234)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 54 seconds ago
Kung Fu / RDD
I think the missing subtext is that there's a general rule that when a Muslim kills a bunch of people, he's universally described as a terrorist (whether the individual is suffering from schizophrenia or not) but when it's a white dude large sections of the mainstream media seem queasy about using the T-word. Instead they focus on the fact that the perpetrator was a loner / troubled / a nutcase. This is the double standard to which KFC was alluding.
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To be fair to the Daily Mail they're running this as a terrorist attack much like they would if it were muslims killing people.
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Perhaps some of the leading advertisers have advised Dacre they're worried about being tarnished by association with an organisation linked to radicalisation.
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Dacre gets a free pass from me for his excellent work in the Stephen Lawrence case.
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Yeah, Stalin oversaw a revolution in state-funded healthcare and Hitler was a vegetarian, so it's all swings and roundabouts really isn't it Robb?
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Weird that you'd compare him to two of the most evil people in history
#sledgehammer #walnut
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Dacre has arguably done as much damage to this country as any other single individual barring a very small handful in the last seventy years.
So no, I wouldn't have any problem addressing him with a sledgehammer. Metaphorically speaking, of course.
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Arthur Johnson (U6426)
posted 6 minutes ago
Loz, let me use your same reasoning:
The terrorists attacking innocent people on bridges in London or at concert venues in Manchester will also claim to be taking revenge for innocent lives taken in the Middle East. That they or someone else claims that they're acting under the umbrella of some wider orgnisation doesn't change their actual motivations.
They will claim that their acts have been legitimated by a god; it's by no means out of the realms of possibility that this Finsbury guy will claim he's legitimated by a duty to defend his country, or some such bull.
If this guy is just a thick as fook asshat, does that mean the others are just that too?
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Yes totaly asshats, a magical sky being told me to kill you.
And they do, well that's thick as fook to me.
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 19 minutes ago
I disagree, The motive for this is plain and simple revenge.
An act of terror not motivated by religion or politics but revenge.
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I think that could often be used as justification for many terror attacks.
Religion and politics might get brought into it, but revenge for deaths in the middle east will often play a part.
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There wasn't just peace, then we went into the middle east and now there are issues.
There are elements of everything in this whole situation. There have always been people trying to spread religion and recruit more followers and it's frequently aggressive. There are religious elements at fault as well as political ones, general intolerance and ignorance have their parts to play as well.
It can't be chalked down to 'issues in the middle east' any more than an issue with the whole Muslim or British population. I'm not religious in the slightest, my personal feelings about religion aside, I respect people's rights to believe what they want, as long as it doesn't encroach on others. Despite this, I try to have some level of understanding of understanding of the history etc. I'm not an expert but didn't Muhammad flee mekkah and go to Medina, because of the issues with differences in Islam and what the pagan Arabs believed? Issues between poly and monotheism caused problems and it isn't all too different to certain peole in Britain now, for example, seeing other beliefs as a threat to 'their' way of life.
Britain wasn't in the middle east then but it didn't stop social and religious differences causing issues with society.
There will be people involved in most religions, who believe everybody should follow that way of life.
Currently, there is friction with Islam, as there has been with Christianity before it.
This isn't a new thing. We're not as socially advanced as we like to think we are. We try to accept different people's beliefs and backgrounds but there will always be issues caused by it.
posted on 19/6/17
note the word "often" play a part.
This is a very complex issue... But the eye for an eye aspect to alot of terrorism can't be ignored.
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 16 minutes ago
The most important response is that of the people, and it must say that we are one, and we will never be divided.
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We are a massively divided society right now though and we need to accept this and address it.
There are big chunks of the mainstream media that are trying to divide the nation... sneering and looking down at the "liberals" who light candles, start hashtags and pray for peace... They are constantly asking for action without specifying what the action should be... Which plays right into the hands of the right wing who think that action is to start attacking muslims.
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^^
This.
Largely accurate.
wherever you look at most of the major conflictual 'hotspots' on this globe of ours, you will find Muslims being killed for ridiculous, unreasonable, ideology.
the mainstream media will tread carefully over this particular attack (being partly responsible for motivating just such actions) but it will be covered very differently from other similar attacks carried out by individuals viewed by its, editorial policy, agents and target audience as different.
the mainstream media makes money out of dividing societies. It sells, simple as that.
political representatives are a mixture of lazy thinking, cowardly, self interested and personally weak individuals. The cannot address such divisions because the mainstream media will slaughter them
posted on 19/6/17
Just read on another thread that after the apprehended attacker was taken down, an imam stepped in to protect him from the public.
Has this been confirmed by any press reports?
If it is true, the guy deserves to be commended.
posted on 19/6/17
'The terrorists attacking innocent people on bridges in London or at concert venues in Manchester will also claim to be taking revenge for innocent lives taken in the Middle East.'
Please stop. Have a look into the history of Islam and the violence, its been happening long before all this' issues in the middle east'.
This isn't just Islam, I'm simply using it as an example because it is relevant to this discussion.
Part of my issue with religion on the whole is it gives individuals a platform and power that no individual should have. It makes it much easier to drive an agenda, when you have anything supernatural supposedly in your favour.
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posted on 19/6/17
Please stop. Have a look into the history of Islam and the violence, its been happening long before all this' issues in the middle east'.
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Actually, the concept of muslim suicide bombing is VERY modern and very much aligned to the issues in the middle east.
This is all addressed in the documentary "hyper normalisation" by adam curtis.
Of course, the middle east was no bastion of peace (where in the world is?)... but terror attacks are a very modern phenomenon.
posted on 19/6/17
What does it matter what his motivation was ?
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Because it is always wise to be as informed as possible, with a goal to try and stop the next one.
posted on 19/6/17
Guys
What does it matter what his motivation was ? Nothing condones these acts and they should be condemned bu all, whoever is responsible.
I'm really surprised at the amount of casual racism flung around on this forum.
posted on 19/6/17
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 8 minutes ago
Just read on another thread that after the apprehended attacker was taken down, an imam stepped in to protect him from the public.
Has this been confirmed by any press reports?
If it is true, the guy deserves to be commended.
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I'm sorry, what was he meant to do, let the guy get beaten to death ffs
Thats what you do in this country!
posted on 19/6/17
'I'm really surprised a thlhe amount of casual racism flung around on this forum'
I haven't seen any 'racism'
Unfortu a term that is banded around far too often these days and heavily used to try and shut down any kind of conversation of this nature.
If you're referring to peole in tolerating islam for example. That isn't racism. Islam is Na ideal, not a race. You could, for example, despise Islam (or Christianity for that matter), it doesn't make you 'racist'. It is not a race.
You would be discriminating against someone for their ideals, not anything to do with their race.
Anytime someone disagrees with someone, they are just branded a racist. So much so that it's almost desensitized it now. A racist is an appaling outlook and is in no way connected to someone's view points about a set of ideals or morales.
posted on 19/6/17
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 11 minutes ago
Just read on another thread that after the apprehended attacker was taken down, an imam stepped in to protect him from the public.
Has this been confirmed by any press reports?
If it is true, the guy deserves to be commended.
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You have to admire his restraint and dignity, but to be honest I would respect him no less if he joined in giving the perp a kicking. It is the least he deserves
posted on 19/6/17
comment by The happy gaffer pranks (U6283)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 8 minutes ago
Just read on another thread that after the apprehended attacker was taken down, an imam stepped in to protect him from the public.
Has this been confirmed by any press reports?
If it is true, the guy deserves to be commended.
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I'm sorry, what was he meant to do, let the guy get beaten to death ffs
Thats what you do in this country!
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He could have done absolutely nothing.
Imagine watching somebody deliberately run over your family or friends, then stepping in to defend them.
I cannot imagine that is a particularly easy thing to do.
posted on 19/6/17
Im talking about people with a certain name being terrorists.
Imagine if that was a list of Asian names.
posted on 19/6/17
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The happy gaffer pranks (U6283)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 8 minutes ago
Just read on another thread that after the apprehended attacker was taken down, an imam stepped in to protect him from the public.
Has this been confirmed by any press reports?
If it is true, the guy deserves to be commended.
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I'm sorry, what was he meant to do, let the guy get beaten to death ffs
Thats what you do in this country!
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He could have done absolutely nothing.
Imagine watching somebody deliberately run over your family or friends, then stepping in to defend them.
I cannot imagine that is a particularly easy thing to do.
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you detain them and wait for the police, any kind of unnecessary violence and you're no better than them and you're also breaking the law
posted on 19/6/17
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 1 minute ago
'I'm really surprised a thlhe amount of casual racism flung around on this forum'
I haven't seen any 'racism'
Unfortu a term that is banded around far too often these days and heavily used to try and shut down any kind of conversation of this nature.
If you're referring to peole in tolerating islam for example. That isn't racism. Islam is Na ideal, not a race. You could, for example, despise Islam (or Christianity for that matter), it doesn't make you 'racist'. It is not a race.
You would be discriminating against someone for their ideals, not anything to do with their race.
Anytime someone disagrees with someone, they are just branded a racist. So much so that it's almost desensitized it now. A racist is an appaling outlook and is in no way connected to someone's view points about a set of ideals or morales.
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There are several things very wrong with this post.
Islam is not an 'ideal', it is a religion. There is a very, very big difference between those two things, and they are best not confused.
And it is possible to question, or even dislike, Islam without disliking or discriminating against Muslims. You seem to be suggesting that by despising Islam, a person would be by default discriminating against Muslims, which is also false.
posted on 19/6/17
comment by The happy gaffer pranks (U6283)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The happy gaffer pranks (U6283)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 8 minutes ago
Just read on another thread that after the apprehended attacker was taken down, an imam stepped in to protect him from the public.
Has this been confirmed by any press reports?
If it is true, the guy deserves to be commended.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm sorry, what was he meant to do, let the guy get beaten to death ffs
Thats what you do in this country!
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He could have done absolutely nothing.
Imagine watching somebody deliberately run over your family or friends, then stepping in to defend them.
I cannot imagine that is a particularly easy thing to do.
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you detain them and wait for the police, any kind of unnecessary violence and you're no better than them and you're also breaking the law
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Of course, ideally that's what you'd do.
I'm just saying that given the circumstances, that's (much) easier said than done.
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