comment by Prem Kings! Back to the summit with Jose and Zlatan! (U7618)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Prem Kings! Back to the summit with Jose and Zlatan! (U7618)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 2 minutes ago
And how would he have known these people were of any particular faith?

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Seriously??

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Please don't associate me with this quote
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lol I knew it wasn't you. I was just amazed at how some other ppl are
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Sums the guy up to be honest

comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🇵🇸 JeSuisPalestinian ���... (U18082)
posted 29 seconds ago
Kash, I thought it was in between the two Mosques? Or was it closer to the other Mosque?
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I don't know the area but this other mosque we had this senior guy coming out ill due to the heat. From there the attack happened.

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 58 minutes ago
As with all terrorist attacks, there are two dimensions. First, there's the damaged psychology of the perpetrator - the warped anger, the inability to find satisfaction or belonging in benign things. Second, there's some feed of ideology that provides a focus to the pathology. In the case of the Manchester and Borough attacks, it's the ideology that tells saddos to ignore mainstream interpretations of the Koran and that God wants you to go out and murder people. In the case of last night's attack, it's the ideology that says Muslims are evil. Those who promulgate these ideologies share some responsibility for the attacks. In the latter case, let's bear in mind that some of our tabloid newspapers - not operating in the shadows of society, but trying to spread their word as wide as possible, in search of profit - have repeatedly exaggerated Muslim sympathy for terrorism, including misrepresenting the results of opinion polls.

A certain amount of responsibility for
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Just on this RR, I would strongly argue that the Internet and social media is far more culpable in the spreading of that than the mainstream media, most of which seems to be blamed without people even reading it.

I'm not arguing your sentiment as I think there is a bit of truth in it, just that the way news is consumed and opinions elevated nowadays has had a much bigger impact.

Sad news.

Can't help but think the likes of Katie Hopkins are inspiring this sort of thing with their "it's time to get angry" rhetoric... Talk of a "final solution" etc

Media radicalisation.

comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 12 seconds ago
Sad news.

Can't help but think the likes of Katie Hopkins are inspiring this sort of thing with their "it's time to get angry" rhetoric... Talk of a "final solution" etc

Media radicalisation.
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She should be treated in the same way as an IS sympathiser would.

comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 12 seconds ago
Sad news.

Can't help but think the likes of Katie Hopkins are inspiring this sort of thing with their "it's time to get angry" rhetoric... Talk of a "final solution" etc

Media radicalisation.
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She should be treated in the same way as an IS sympathiser would.
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https://twitter.com/crimesofbrits/status/876615841349083137

not much in the way of good news these days. depressing times.

comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 9 minutes ago
The sad thing is, like somebody said earlier, this is exactly what IS want.

We need to rally around and support the Muslim community just like we have with the others that were killed.
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That is so true.

comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 43 seconds ago
not much in the way of good news these days. depressing times.
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I know. It's even making the US look happy go lucky by comparison.

comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🇵🇸 JeSuisPalestinian 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 12 seconds ago
Sad news.

Can't help but think the likes of Katie Hopkins are inspiring this sort of thing with their "it's time to get angry" rhetoric... Talk of a "final solution" etc

Media radicalisation.
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She should be treated in the same way as an IS sympathiser would.
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https://twitter.com/crimesofbrits/status/876615841349083137
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Don't even get me started.

comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 1 minute ago
not much in the way of good news these days. depressing times.
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The sad thing is that there are probably people on here, on our Facebook, in our neighbourhood who actually think this is a good news story

comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 1 minute ago
not much in the way of good news these days. depressing times.
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The sad thing is that there are probably people on here, on our Facebook, in our neighbourhood who actually think this is a good news story
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Already had one idiot at work say it's about time

Wow. So much for this not becoming about us and them.

comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 1 minute ago
not much in the way of good news these days. depressing times.
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The sad thing is that there are probably people on here, on our Facebook, in our neighbourhood who actually think this is a good news story
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Already had one idiot at work say it's about time
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LQ putting our squabbles aside you should report him.

If I heard somebody saying that in the Mosque I attend I'd be straight on the phone to the police.

comment by John Double Doe (U21516)
posted 16 seconds ago
Wow. So much for this not becoming about us and them.
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The press the governments the terrorists want exactly this.

In the words of Charles Dickens, reduce the surplus population.

Anyone who doesn't think this is what they want is deluded.

comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 1 minute ago
not much in the way of good news these days. depressing times.
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The sad thing is that there are probably people on here, on our Facebook, in our neighbourhood who actually think this is a good news story
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A very very small minority luckily. The overwhelming feeling I got after the attacks in London & Manchester were that the majority living in this country, of all colours & faiths will shout down the few idiots on both sides and show humanity endures over religious hatred, again on both sides.

comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 1 minute ago
not much in the way of good news these days. depressing times.
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The sad thing is that there are probably people on here, on our Facebook, in our neighbourhood who actually think this is a good news story
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A very very small minority luckily. The overwhelming feeling I got after the attacks in London & Manchester were that the majority living in this country, of all colours & faiths will shout down the few idiots on both sides and show humanity endures over religious hatred, again on both sides.
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I think the building which burnt down in Latimer Road the other day is proof that people are together in this country.

It's a very multicultural area, I passed by the burnt down tower block yesterday. Sad, but everybody was helping each other. Black, Arabs and Whites.

comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🇵🇸 JeSuisPalestinian 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 1 minute ago
not much in the way of good news these days. depressing times.
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The sad thing is that there are probably people on here, on our Facebook, in our neighbourhood who actually think this is a good news story
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A very very small minority luckily. The overwhelming feeling I got after the attacks in London & Manchester were that the majority living in this country, of all colours & faiths will shout down the few idiots on both sides and show humanity endures over religious hatred, again on both sides.
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I think the building which burnt down in Latimer Road the other day is proof that people are together in this country.

It's a very multicultural area, I passed by the burnt down tower block yesterday. Sad, but everybody was helping each other. Black, Arabs and Whites.
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As they did in Manchester

I can't actually think of an attack or an incident where people didn't get together actually.

Kung Fu

I said somebody who can drive a van I to people is mentally ill. How from that do you jump to Bin Laden mate ?

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 58 minutes ago
As with all terrorist attacks, there are two dimensions. First, there's the damaged psychology of the perpetrator - the warped anger, the inability to find satisfaction or belonging in benign things. Second, there's some feed of ideology that provides a focus to the pathology. In the case of the Manchester and Borough attacks, it's the ideology that tells saddos to ignore mainstream interpretations of the Koran and that God wants you to go out and murder people. In the case of last night's attack, it's the ideology that says Muslims are evil. Those who promulgate these ideologies share some responsibility for the attacks. In the latter case, let's bear in mind that some of our tabloid newspapers - not operating in the shadows of society, but trying to spread their word as wide as possible, in search of profit - have repeatedly exaggerated Muslim sympathy for terrorism, including misrepresenting the results of opinion polls.

A certain amount of responsibility for
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Just on this RR, I would strongly argue that the Internet and social media is far more culpable in the spreading of that than the mainstream media, most of which seems to be blamed without people even reading it.

I'm not arguing your sentiment as I think there is a bit of truth in it, just that the way news is consumed and opinions elevated nowadays has had a much bigger impact.

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The internet is certainly a huge factor. But of course much of what get shared on social media derives from mainstream media. I'm not saying that a white nationalist who considers butchering people is radicalised purely on reading the Sun, Mail and Express. They will have their poisonous little forums where things are said that go much farther than you can publish.

However, I don't think we should underestimate the important role the tabloids create in giving extremists a sense that they are in touch with the mainstream, and responding to a legitimate need. The alarmism and exaggerations nurture this narrative of a clash of civilisations. The more mainstream the idea that Muslims are basically incompatible, basically on the terrorists side, basically want to impose Sharia law on everyone, the more people are attracted to the idea that there's a war that needs to be fought.

It's notable that the Mail's reporting of the Jo Cox murder speculated that the killer had been at risk of losing his council home to a non-British family. And today the headline in the Express doesn't call the attacker a terrorist, but does allude to the 'hate preacher' history of the mosque. We can agree, I think, both that a decent press doesn't prevent extremists from entertaining their views, and that this kind of ambivalent approach to racist violence is deeply troubling.

comment by John Double Doe (U21516)
posted 3 minutes ago
Kung Fu

I said somebody who can drive a van I to people is mentally ill. How from that do you jump to Bin Laden mate ?
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Surly if somebody who drives a van into people is deemed mentally ill, then somebody who plans an attack with planes is REALLY mentally ill..... no?

comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 1 minute ago
not much in the way of good news these days. depressing times.
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The sad thing is that there are probably people on here, on our Facebook, in our neighbourhood who actually think this is a good news story
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Sadly you're not wrong,

comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🇵🇸 JeSuisPalestinian 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by John Double Doe (U21516)
posted 3 minutes ago
Kung Fu

I said somebody who can drive a van I to people is mentally ill. How from that do you jump to Bin Laden mate ?
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Surly if somebody who drives a van into people is deemed mentally ill, then somebody who plans an attack with planes is REALLY mentally ill..... no?
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What terrorist organisation did this murdering piece of filth belong too?

Kung Fu / RDD

I think the missing subtext is that there's a general rule that when a Muslim kills a bunch of people, he's universally described as a terrorist (whether the individual is suffering from schizophrenia or not) but when it's a white dude large sections of the mainstream media seem queasy about using the T-word. Instead they focus on the fact that the perpetrator was a loner / troubled / a nutcase. This is the double standard to which KFC was alluding.