comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 5 minutes ago
Please stop. Have a look into the history of Islam and the violence, its been happening long before all this' issues in the middle east'.
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Actually, the concept of muslim suicide bombing is VERY modern and very much aligned to the issues in the middle east.
This is all addressed in the documentary "hyper normalisation" by adam curtis.
Of course, the middle east was no bastion of peace (where in the world is?)... but terror attacks are a very modern phenomenon.
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Bombings are, sure but people of faith have always tried to expand and convert. This would be happening with or without the issues in the middle east.
Modern day, somoene uses a bomb to help fight a battle. Previously it was done with guns, or swords.
You can't just invade a country anymore, or kill its monarch and take over. Instead, you have to play it differently.
All suicide bombing is essentially is someone willing to lay their life down for a cause. It isn't just a Muslim thing or an Islam thing. I'll check out the documentary you mentioned though.
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The catalyst for all of this is radical Islam.
There was always goin to come a point where people started to fight back against an ideology which seeks to destroy the traditions/values of the West.
The retaliation should not be condoned but it should have been expected.
If we carry on down this road then we will always have violence over the clash of ideologies.
The last year has made living in London pretty frightening. I've lived here most of my life but these events just make you think if it's even safe to go out any more. The state of this world is just awful and I don't hold much hope for the future.
"I didn't say Bin Laden flew the planes I said he planned the attacks"
_____________________
You absolutely certain about that?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/was-america-attacked-by-muslims-on-9-11/10142
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 1 minute ago
'I'm really surprised a thlhe amount of casual racism flung around on this forum'
I haven't seen any 'racism'
Unfortu a term that is banded around far too often these days and heavily used to try and shut down any kind of conversation of this nature.
If you're referring to peole in tolerating islam for example. That isn't racism. Islam is Na ideal, not a race. You could, for example, despise Islam (or Christianity for that matter), it doesn't make you 'racist'. It is not a race.
You would be discriminating against someone for their ideals, not anything to do with their race.
Anytime someone disagrees with someone, they are just branded a racist. So much so that it's almost desensitized it now. A racist is an appaling outlook and is in no way connected to someone's view points about a set of ideals or morales.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are several things very wrong with this post.
Islam is not an 'ideal', it is a religion. There is a very, very big difference between those two things, and they are best not confused.
And it is possible to question, or even dislike, Islam without disliking or discriminating against Muslims. You seem to be suggesting that by despising Islam, a person would be by default discriminating against Muslims, which is also false.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You've misunderstood what I meant. Your last paragraph is exactly my point. Disliking Islam, for example, isn't a race issue.
Religions are founded on a set of ideals, essentially. We could discuss it in further depth and I would be happy to but the point is that religion isn't race and disagreeing with it, is to disagree with a belief, set of ideals, principles and morales, not race.
If someone hates Islam, even to an extreme point. They aren't racist, which was the point I was trying to make. Debating religion, in particular Islam and just getting shut down as racist, happens far too often.
Apologies for the state of the posts as well, on my phone and in a meeting so trying to be reasonably discrete.
to the victim and a speedy recovery to the injured.
May not count for much right now to people who live and work in these affected cities but Dublin stands with you and shares your pain.
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 45 seconds ago
The catalyst for all of this is radical Islam.
There was always goin to come a point where people started to fight back against an ideology which seeks to destroy the traditions/values of the West.
The retaliation should not be condoned but it should have been expected.
If we carry on down this road then we will always have violence over the clash of ideologies.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This was not 'fighting back against an ideology'. You cannot attack an ideology with physical violence, by definition.
This was a calculated attack on innocent British civilians no different in its complete lack of moral justification to the recent terrorist attacks in Manchester and London.
The retaliation should not be condoned but it should have been expected.
----------------
Just like constant bombing of the ME (often in illegal wars, proxy wars etc) should bring with it the expectation of retaliation.
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 3 minutes ago
The catalyst for all of this is radical Islam.
There was always goin to come a point where people started to fight back against an ideology which seeks to destroy the traditions/values of the West.
The retaliation should not be condoned but it should have been expected.
If we carry on down this road then we will always have violence over the clash of ideologies.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm seeing some muslim folk on TV(BBC) saying that they don't think the 2 London and Manchester attacks had any bearing on the attack last night, deluded
This was always going to happen, and now ffs we will probably see revenge attacks on both sides
comment by Better Call Ander - It's showtime, folks! (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
The last year has made living in London pretty frightening. I've lived here most of my life but these events just make you think if it's even safe to go out any more. The state of this world is just awful and I don't hold much hope for the future.
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You need to man up
People die of heart attacks or cancer far more than die of terrorist attacks in London
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The happy gaffer pranks (U6283)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The happy gaffer pranks (U6283)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 8 minutes ago
Just read on another thread that after the apprehended attacker was taken down, an imam stepped in to protect him from the public.
Has this been confirmed by any press reports?
If it is true, the guy deserves to be commended.
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I'm sorry, what was he meant to do, let the guy get beaten to death ffs
Thats what you do in this country!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He could have done absolutely nothing.
Imagine watching somebody deliberately run over your family or friends, then stepping in to defend them.
I cannot imagine that is a particularly easy thing to do.
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you detain them and wait for the police, any kind of unnecessary violence and you're no better than them and you're also breaking the law
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What is unnecessary violence if you wife/son/daughter is under the van?
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the same as I stated above, tbh I hope I never have to find out
The last year has made living in London pretty frightening. I've lived here most of my life but these events just make you think if it's even safe to go out any more. The state of this world is just awful and I don't hold much hope for the future.
---
This is why many people opposed mass immigration.
There are two kinds of people. Those who think controlled migration is somehow offensive/racist and those who think its sensible/
I'm in the latter camp.
This country has always had migration and by and large, its always been successful because the numbers were manageable and people were able to assimilate.
The numbers now hoever make this an incredibly difficult task. This has led to segregation and the rise of ghettos.
Islam and Western values are compatible in some ways but not compatible in others and this presents quite a complex problem when effective communities thrive when they share common values, abide by the same laws, have the same opinions on women, law, dress code etc.
The governments of the UK have taken the opposite approach on this and have pushed us towards a mixture of cultures with no true national identity - that's just not sustainable.
99% of people are fine but 1% is still too many and until we start tackling the tough questions like 'Are certain elements within Islam incompatible with the West' then we'll never really move forward.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 22 minutes ago
What does it matter what his motivation was ?
-------------------------------
Because it is always wise to be as informed as possible, with a goal to try and stop the next one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
i seriously dont understand why people dont get this.
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 1 minute ago
'I'm really surprised a thlhe amount of casual racism flung around on this forum'
I haven't seen any 'racism'
Unfortu a term that is banded around far too often these days and heavily used to try and shut down any kind of conversation of this nature.
If you're referring to peole in tolerating islam for example. That isn't racism. Islam is Na ideal, not a race. You could, for example, despise Islam (or Christianity for that matter), it doesn't make you 'racist'. It is not a race.
You would be discriminating against someone for their ideals, not anything to do with their race.
Anytime someone disagrees with someone, they are just branded a racist. So much so that it's almost desensitized it now. A racist is an appaling outlook and is in no way connected to someone's view points about a set of ideals or morales.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are several things very wrong with this post.
Islam is not an 'ideal', it is a religion. There is a very, very big difference between those two things, and they are best not confused.
And it is possible to question, or even dislike, Islam without disliking or discriminating against Muslims. You seem to be suggesting that by despising Islam, a person would be by default discriminating against Muslims, which is also false.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You've misunderstood what I meant. Your last paragraph is exactly my point. Disliking Islam, for example, isn't a race issue.
Religions are founded on a set of ideals, essentially. We could discuss it in further depth and I would be happy to but the point is that religion isn't race and disagreeing with it, is to disagree with a belief, set of ideals, principles and morales, not race.
If someone hates Islam, even to an extreme point. They aren't racist, which was the point I was trying to make. Debating religion, in particular Islam and just getting shut down as racist, happens far too often.
Apologies for the state of the posts as well, on my phone and in a meeting so trying to be reasonably discrete.
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Your point about a hatred of Islam and racism being two different things is correct.
There is no word to describe a hatred of Islam of which I am aware. People use the word 'Islamophobia', but that extends connotations of a hatred of Muslims, and as I've said above, those can be different things.
Islamophobes who hate Muslims also are not necessarily racist; they more often than not are, however, and regardless, they are unquestionably misguided bigots.
comment by Robb Van Nistelrooy (U21234)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Better Call Ander - It's showtime, folks! (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
The last year has made living in London pretty frightening. I've lived here most of my life but these events just make you think if it's even safe to go out any more. The state of this world is just awful and I don't hold much hope for the future.
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You need to man up
People die of heart attacks or cancer far more than die of terrorist attacks in London
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Easy for me to day as I am living in a city not affected (currently).
However fear of going about your daily business is playing right into the murderers hands. It is what they want. Sow seeds of fear and despair.
Londoners are famous for their blitz spirit
The people of London need to keep this in their mind and hearts
Lived in London for my first 32 years, and have worked in central London the last 23.
Never been afraid of going in to my City, never will be
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 5 minutes ago
The retaliation should not be condoned but it should have been expected.
----------------
Just like constant bombing of the ME (often in illegal wars, proxy wars etc) should bring with it the expectation of retaliation.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the bombing of Cristian churches in the Middle East too.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/748061/Christians-world-s-most-persecuted-religious-group-Vatican-Radio-Massimo-Introvigne-Islam/amp
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 24 seconds ago
Lived in London for my first 32 years, and have worked in central London the last 23.
Never been afraid of going in to my City, never will be
----------------------------------------------------------------------
👍
The last year has made living in London pretty frightening. I've lived here most of my life but these events just make you think if it's even safe to go out any more. The state of this world is just awful and I don't hold much hope for the future.
=======================
You cant live in fear, youre more likely to get robbed and stabbed than being in a terror attack,
that said it is awful, and depressing. combine it with whats happening with that tower and whats going on over in portugal and sometimes youll struggle to see the good in the world.
Just been looking at the daily mail comments on this, pretty disgusting, especially as they are being moderated.
So many comments about how Corbyn will be revelling in this and how "this has been coming for a long time".
comment by Robb Van Nistelrooy (U21234)
posted 4 minutes ago
Londoners are famous for their blitz spirit
The people of London need to keep this in their mind and hearts
----------------------------------------------------------------------
i hate to break it to you, but most of the londoners famed for their blitz spirit are long since gone.
still, a few rounds of "gawd bless er majesty" and a bit of dame vera downloaded from itunes should see the current batch straight.
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 4 minutes ago
The last year has made living in London pretty frightening. I've lived here most of my life but these events just make you think if it's even safe to go out any more. The state of this world is just awful and I don't hold much hope for the future.
---
This is why many people opposed mass immigration.
There are two kinds of people. Those who think controlled migration is somehow offensive/racist and those who think its sensible/
I'm in the latter camp.
This country has always had migration and by and large, its always been successful because the numbers were manageable and people were able to assimilate.
The numbers now hoever make this an incredibly difficult task. This has led to segregation and the rise of ghettos.
Islam and Western values are compatible in some ways but not compatible in others and this presents quite a complex problem when effective communities thrive when they share common values, abide by the same laws, have the same opinions on women, law, dress code etc.
The governments of the UK have taken the opposite approach on this and have pushed us towards a mixture of cultures with no true national identity - that's just not sustainable.
99% of people are fine but 1% is still too many and until we start tackling the tough questions like 'Are certain elements within Islam incompatible with the West' then we'll never really move forward.
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I think you need to separate the concepts of Islam and Islamism, and switch out the words in your question.
The overwhelming majority of Muslims living in Britain (British and otherwise) will tell you that there is no conflict between their practise of Islam and British values and law.
Sign in if you want to comment
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posted on 19/6/17
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 5 minutes ago
Please stop. Have a look into the history of Islam and the violence, its been happening long before all this' issues in the middle east'.
-----------------------
Actually, the concept of muslim suicide bombing is VERY modern and very much aligned to the issues in the middle east.
This is all addressed in the documentary "hyper normalisation" by adam curtis.
Of course, the middle east was no bastion of peace (where in the world is?)... but terror attacks are a very modern phenomenon.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bombings are, sure but people of faith have always tried to expand and convert. This would be happening with or without the issues in the middle east.
Modern day, somoene uses a bomb to help fight a battle. Previously it was done with guns, or swords.
You can't just invade a country anymore, or kill its monarch and take over. Instead, you have to play it differently.
All suicide bombing is essentially is someone willing to lay their life down for a cause. It isn't just a Muslim thing or an Islam thing. I'll check out the documentary you mentioned though.
posted on 19/6/17
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 19/6/17
The catalyst for all of this is radical Islam.
There was always goin to come a point where people started to fight back against an ideology which seeks to destroy the traditions/values of the West.
The retaliation should not be condoned but it should have been expected.
If we carry on down this road then we will always have violence over the clash of ideologies.
posted on 19/6/17
The last year has made living in London pretty frightening. I've lived here most of my life but these events just make you think if it's even safe to go out any more. The state of this world is just awful and I don't hold much hope for the future.
posted on 19/6/17
"I didn't say Bin Laden flew the planes I said he planned the attacks"
_____________________
You absolutely certain about that?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/was-america-attacked-by-muslims-on-9-11/10142
posted on 19/6/17
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 1 minute ago
'I'm really surprised a thlhe amount of casual racism flung around on this forum'
I haven't seen any 'racism'
Unfortu a term that is banded around far too often these days and heavily used to try and shut down any kind of conversation of this nature.
If you're referring to peole in tolerating islam for example. That isn't racism. Islam is Na ideal, not a race. You could, for example, despise Islam (or Christianity for that matter), it doesn't make you 'racist'. It is not a race.
You would be discriminating against someone for their ideals, not anything to do with their race.
Anytime someone disagrees with someone, they are just branded a racist. So much so that it's almost desensitized it now. A racist is an appaling outlook and is in no way connected to someone's view points about a set of ideals or morales.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are several things very wrong with this post.
Islam is not an 'ideal', it is a religion. There is a very, very big difference between those two things, and they are best not confused.
And it is possible to question, or even dislike, Islam without disliking or discriminating against Muslims. You seem to be suggesting that by despising Islam, a person would be by default discriminating against Muslims, which is also false.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You've misunderstood what I meant. Your last paragraph is exactly my point. Disliking Islam, for example, isn't a race issue.
Religions are founded on a set of ideals, essentially. We could discuss it in further depth and I would be happy to but the point is that religion isn't race and disagreeing with it, is to disagree with a belief, set of ideals, principles and morales, not race.
If someone hates Islam, even to an extreme point. They aren't racist, which was the point I was trying to make. Debating religion, in particular Islam and just getting shut down as racist, happens far too often.
Apologies for the state of the posts as well, on my phone and in a meeting so trying to be reasonably discrete.
posted on 19/6/17
to the victim and a speedy recovery to the injured.
May not count for much right now to people who live and work in these affected cities but Dublin stands with you and shares your pain.
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 45 seconds ago
The catalyst for all of this is radical Islam.
There was always goin to come a point where people started to fight back against an ideology which seeks to destroy the traditions/values of the West.
The retaliation should not be condoned but it should have been expected.
If we carry on down this road then we will always have violence over the clash of ideologies.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This was not 'fighting back against an ideology'. You cannot attack an ideology with physical violence, by definition.
This was a calculated attack on innocent British civilians no different in its complete lack of moral justification to the recent terrorist attacks in Manchester and London.
posted on 19/6/17
The retaliation should not be condoned but it should have been expected.
----------------
Just like constant bombing of the ME (often in illegal wars, proxy wars etc) should bring with it the expectation of retaliation.
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 3 minutes ago
The catalyst for all of this is radical Islam.
There was always goin to come a point where people started to fight back against an ideology which seeks to destroy the traditions/values of the West.
The retaliation should not be condoned but it should have been expected.
If we carry on down this road then we will always have violence over the clash of ideologies.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm seeing some muslim folk on TV(BBC) saying that they don't think the 2 London and Manchester attacks had any bearing on the attack last night, deluded
This was always going to happen, and now ffs we will probably see revenge attacks on both sides
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Better Call Ander - It's showtime, folks! (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
The last year has made living in London pretty frightening. I've lived here most of my life but these events just make you think if it's even safe to go out any more. The state of this world is just awful and I don't hold much hope for the future.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You need to man up
People die of heart attacks or cancer far more than die of terrorist attacks in London
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The happy gaffer pranks (U6283)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The happy gaffer pranks (U6283)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 8 minutes ago
Just read on another thread that after the apprehended attacker was taken down, an imam stepped in to protect him from the public.
Has this been confirmed by any press reports?
If it is true, the guy deserves to be commended.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm sorry, what was he meant to do, let the guy get beaten to death ffs
Thats what you do in this country!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He could have done absolutely nothing.
Imagine watching somebody deliberately run over your family or friends, then stepping in to defend them.
I cannot imagine that is a particularly easy thing to do.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
you detain them and wait for the police, any kind of unnecessary violence and you're no better than them and you're also breaking the law
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What is unnecessary violence if you wife/son/daughter is under the van?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
the same as I stated above, tbh I hope I never have to find out
posted on 19/6/17
The last year has made living in London pretty frightening. I've lived here most of my life but these events just make you think if it's even safe to go out any more. The state of this world is just awful and I don't hold much hope for the future.
---
This is why many people opposed mass immigration.
There are two kinds of people. Those who think controlled migration is somehow offensive/racist and those who think its sensible/
I'm in the latter camp.
This country has always had migration and by and large, its always been successful because the numbers were manageable and people were able to assimilate.
The numbers now hoever make this an incredibly difficult task. This has led to segregation and the rise of ghettos.
Islam and Western values are compatible in some ways but not compatible in others and this presents quite a complex problem when effective communities thrive when they share common values, abide by the same laws, have the same opinions on women, law, dress code etc.
The governments of the UK have taken the opposite approach on this and have pushed us towards a mixture of cultures with no true national identity - that's just not sustainable.
99% of people are fine but 1% is still too many and until we start tackling the tough questions like 'Are certain elements within Islam incompatible with the West' then we'll never really move forward.
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 22 minutes ago
What does it matter what his motivation was ?
-------------------------------
Because it is always wise to be as informed as possible, with a goal to try and stop the next one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
i seriously dont understand why people dont get this.
posted on 19/6/17
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 1 minute ago
'I'm really surprised a thlhe amount of casual racism flung around on this forum'
I haven't seen any 'racism'
Unfortu a term that is banded around far too often these days and heavily used to try and shut down any kind of conversation of this nature.
If you're referring to peole in tolerating islam for example. That isn't racism. Islam is Na ideal, not a race. You could, for example, despise Islam (or Christianity for that matter), it doesn't make you 'racist'. It is not a race.
You would be discriminating against someone for their ideals, not anything to do with their race.
Anytime someone disagrees with someone, they are just branded a racist. So much so that it's almost desensitized it now. A racist is an appaling outlook and is in no way connected to someone's view points about a set of ideals or morales.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are several things very wrong with this post.
Islam is not an 'ideal', it is a religion. There is a very, very big difference between those two things, and they are best not confused.
And it is possible to question, or even dislike, Islam without disliking or discriminating against Muslims. You seem to be suggesting that by despising Islam, a person would be by default discriminating against Muslims, which is also false.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You've misunderstood what I meant. Your last paragraph is exactly my point. Disliking Islam, for example, isn't a race issue.
Religions are founded on a set of ideals, essentially. We could discuss it in further depth and I would be happy to but the point is that religion isn't race and disagreeing with it, is to disagree with a belief, set of ideals, principles and morales, not race.
If someone hates Islam, even to an extreme point. They aren't racist, which was the point I was trying to make. Debating religion, in particular Islam and just getting shut down as racist, happens far too often.
Apologies for the state of the posts as well, on my phone and in a meeting so trying to be reasonably discrete.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Your point about a hatred of Islam and racism being two different things is correct.
There is no word to describe a hatred of Islam of which I am aware. People use the word 'Islamophobia', but that extends connotations of a hatred of Muslims, and as I've said above, those can be different things.
Islamophobes who hate Muslims also are not necessarily racist; they more often than not are, however, and regardless, they are unquestionably misguided bigots.
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Robb Van Nistelrooy (U21234)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Better Call Ander - It's showtime, folks! (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
The last year has made living in London pretty frightening. I've lived here most of my life but these events just make you think if it's even safe to go out any more. The state of this world is just awful and I don't hold much hope for the future.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You need to man up
People die of heart attacks or cancer far more than die of terrorist attacks in London
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Easy for me to day as I am living in a city not affected (currently).
However fear of going about your daily business is playing right into the murderers hands. It is what they want. Sow seeds of fear and despair.
posted on 19/6/17
Londoners are famous for their blitz spirit
The people of London need to keep this in their mind and hearts
posted on 19/6/17
Lived in London for my first 32 years, and have worked in central London the last 23.
Never been afraid of going in to my City, never will be
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 5 minutes ago
The retaliation should not be condoned but it should have been expected.
----------------
Just like constant bombing of the ME (often in illegal wars, proxy wars etc) should bring with it the expectation of retaliation.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the bombing of Cristian churches in the Middle East too.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/748061/Christians-world-s-most-persecuted-religious-group-Vatican-Radio-Massimo-Introvigne-Islam/amp
posted on 19/6/17
to say
posted on 19/6/17
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 24 seconds ago
Lived in London for my first 32 years, and have worked in central London the last 23.
Never been afraid of going in to my City, never will be
----------------------------------------------------------------------
👍
posted on 19/6/17
The last year has made living in London pretty frightening. I've lived here most of my life but these events just make you think if it's even safe to go out any more. The state of this world is just awful and I don't hold much hope for the future.
=======================
You cant live in fear, youre more likely to get robbed and stabbed than being in a terror attack,
that said it is awful, and depressing. combine it with whats happening with that tower and whats going on over in portugal and sometimes youll struggle to see the good in the world.
posted on 19/6/17
Just been looking at the daily mail comments on this, pretty disgusting, especially as they are being moderated.
So many comments about how Corbyn will be revelling in this and how "this has been coming for a long time".
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Robb Van Nistelrooy (U21234)
posted 4 minutes ago
Londoners are famous for their blitz spirit
The people of London need to keep this in their mind and hearts
----------------------------------------------------------------------
i hate to break it to you, but most of the londoners famed for their blitz spirit are long since gone.
still, a few rounds of "gawd bless er majesty" and a bit of dame vera downloaded from itunes should see the current batch straight.
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 4 minutes ago
The last year has made living in London pretty frightening. I've lived here most of my life but these events just make you think if it's even safe to go out any more. The state of this world is just awful and I don't hold much hope for the future.
---
This is why many people opposed mass immigration.
There are two kinds of people. Those who think controlled migration is somehow offensive/racist and those who think its sensible/
I'm in the latter camp.
This country has always had migration and by and large, its always been successful because the numbers were manageable and people were able to assimilate.
The numbers now hoever make this an incredibly difficult task. This has led to segregation and the rise of ghettos.
Islam and Western values are compatible in some ways but not compatible in others and this presents quite a complex problem when effective communities thrive when they share common values, abide by the same laws, have the same opinions on women, law, dress code etc.
The governments of the UK have taken the opposite approach on this and have pushed us towards a mixture of cultures with no true national identity - that's just not sustainable.
99% of people are fine but 1% is still too many and until we start tackling the tough questions like 'Are certain elements within Islam incompatible with the West' then we'll never really move forward.
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I think you need to separate the concepts of Islam and Islamism, and switch out the words in your question.
The overwhelming majority of Muslims living in Britain (British and otherwise) will tell you that there is no conflict between their practise of Islam and British values and law.
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