comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 minutes ago
No idea Sat Nav, but I would treat stats based on a survey of opinions collected 9 years ago and published 8 years ago with a large pinch of salt.
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Morning, you rascal.😊
Would you agree there is support for Islamist ideology among many or a majority of Afghans?
It may not be as high as that poll suggested, but the reality across the world today, from Kabul to Pakistan, from Iran to saudi arabia and from Libya to Somalia, from Turkey to Egypt shows Islamists in govt, trying to take over or influence society to go under Islamist fundamentalism.
A poll 8 or 9 years ago is relevant on how Afghan people feel too, btw.
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Morning. Honestly, I don’t know. Maybe. They’ve had a form of sharia law in place in Afghanistan all through the last 20 years and earlier, so would suggest there’s at least a modicum of support for that.
You are right that there are currently governments/regimes/administrations throughout Asia and Africa where there are elements of Islam as part of the laws of those lands. Some are more extreme than others. Much as has been and tbh still is wrt Christianity in different parts of the world.
As above I think a poll of opinions collected 9 years ago should be taken with a large grain of salt. Particularly for a country that has had such seismic change as Afghanistan. For example, if you think that from then to now you’d have far larger proportion of females polled who have been through primary and secondary (and indeed tertiary)education, I suspect some of the responses to questions would be drastically different.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 9 minutes ago
No idea Sat Nav, but I would treat stats based on a survey of opinions collected 9 years ago and published 8 years ago with a large pinch of salt.
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Would you dismiss an 8 year old poll on Brexit, Scots Indy or Irish border poll so easily, mucker?😉
Things do not change that much over a few years.
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Please see me response above on how things have genuinely changed in Afghanistan
And I await the paragraph number of the Good Friday agreement from WWSPD on the 7 year border poll 😂
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 6 minutes ago
Particularly when making present tense statements about the waters the taliban swim in.
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The Taliban want Islamist rule and the West cannot accept that people in Afghanistan agree....same in north Africa and Middle East where people such as Blair and Clinton sought to impose liberal democracy on nations not inclined to do so.
The taliban have taken over and required support to do so, not just terror.
There are 14 different tribes in Afghanistan, all mentioned in their national anthem, so western observers trying to regime change there or put western ideology upon afghans is just folly.
If you look at much of the region, middle East and North Africa, Islamists are in charge now and not some tiny fringe.
If we do not accept that reality, and if we do not have a conversation about political and govt Islamist fundamentalism, we will continue to get it wrong on foreign policy, imo.
Present tense
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There’s the risk of conflating two things here; the tribal governing systems versus centralised democracy, and fairly extreme religious ideology versus secularism. Please see comments above regarding the poll of opinions gathered 9 years ago, and why I’d suggest people take the opinions from them with a large pinch of salt
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 1 minute ago
Sharia law hasn't changed in 9 years. 😂
It's not like it would be an annual poll. 🤣
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😂 well interestingly there are many different flavours of what Sharia law is, as the study goes into in some detail. It’s why above I refer to “a form of sharia law” as there is no one version of it.
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 9 minutes ago
No idea Sat Nav, but I would treat stats based on a survey of opinions collected 9 years ago and published 8 years ago with a large pinch of salt.
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Would you dismiss an 8 year old poll on Brexit, Scots Indy or Irish border poll so easily, mucker?😉
Things do not change that much over a few years.
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Please see me response above on how things have genuinely changed in Afghanistan
And I await the paragraph number of the Good Friday agreement from WWSPD on the 7 year border poll 😂
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Haha....if things changed dramatically over recent years among Afghans, then hopefully they replace the Taliban soon and fix their country, mate.
As I posted many times, the West messed up in regions such as Kabul and Iraq, backing Islamists against others, But...the thing is the Islamists were there and trying to grow and gain power, so why has the world left billions of folk across the world to fall under Islamist rule????
This is the case in places such as Turkey and Egypt and Saudi and Qatar, yet we allow islamist fundamentalism there to go along without enough international counter pressure to oppression of girls, women, gay people, Christians, minority faiths, dissenters etc.
Just my opinion, but the world has turned a lazy hypocritical eye to global Islamist power.
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 1 minute ago
Sharia law hasn't changed in 9 years. 😂
It's not like it would be an annual poll. 🤣
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😂 well interestingly there are many different flavours of what Sharia law is, as the study goes into in some detail. It’s why above I refer to “a form of sharia law” as there is no one version of it.
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Any form of sharia religious fundamentalism is open to debate on how people in 2021 are governed in society, imo.
The cathic church had too much power in Ireland and abroad and abused people, as did other faith groups when we accepted a form of Christian fundamentalism as normal in the world.
Growing up in NI the dup and Free P church had control where I grew up and they closed parks, chained swings and stopped us playing fitba in a Sunday.
Fundamentalists in any form are not fun or good for society, imo
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 9 minutes ago
There’s the risk of conflating two things here; the tribal governing systems versus centralised democracy, and fairly extreme religious ideology versus secularism. Please see comments above regarding the poll of opinions gathered 9 years ago, and why I’d suggest people take the opinions from them with a large pinch of salt
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Afghanistan went quite secular in the 1970's and when Moscow was trying to run the show, then around 79 the Taliban told women to cover up, and girls stopped from learning, making up their own Islamist rules to control girls and women, and so those seeking to implement Islamist sharia law began to ruin another nation and oppress millions of Afghans.
The Taliban are just one form of Islamist extremism that now controls up to two billion people across the world from Pakistan, to Iran, Turkey, Saudi and into north Africa.
I am no fan of religious fundamentalists, and indeed note in areas within the UK there is appeasing of such people which bothers me. As you say fundamentalist religious people are not exclusive to any one religion. All forms of sharia are open to debate I agree, and I think with all of them I’m likely to take a dim view.
However, that doesn’t escape the initial position that opinions taken from people 9 years ago, when the vast vast majority of female (making up c50% of the population) participants would have had little to no education when providing responses, compared to now when far more will have had some education, and thus could be expected to have altered views.
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comment by Hector (U3606)
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Empty shelves in a first world country = sovereignty.
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There was a virus going around too and a silly ship blocking Suez.
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Deflect deny disseminate
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
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comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 9 minutes ago
There’s the risk of conflating two things here; the tribal governing systems versus centralised democracy, and fairly extreme religious ideology versus secularism. Please see comments above regarding the poll of opinions gathered 9 years ago, and why I’d suggest people take the opinions from them with a large pinch of salt
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Afghanistan went quite secular in the 1970's and when Moscow was trying to run the show, then around 79 the Taliban told women to cover up, and girls stopped from learning, making up their own Islamist rules to control girls and women, and so those seeking to implement Islamist sharia law began to ruin another nation and oppress millions of Afghans.
The Taliban are just one form of Islamist extremism that now controls up to two billion people across the world from Pakistan, to Iran, Turkey, Saudi and into north Africa.
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2 billion? Where did that number come from?
Bmcl
As long as Rangers beat Celtic on Sunday, nothing else matters lol.😂
Arguing the toss over degrees or "forms" of sharia law and Afghan poll support for stoning etc is academic to an extent, as the Taliban are now top dogs, literally.
Just as their islamist brothers are in govt or with great influence in Pakistan, middle East and North Africa.
Oh, and the taliban didn’t exist until the mid 90s
Between 1979 and the Taliban emerging there was the entirety of the Soviet Afghan war and the first afghan civil war.
As such, would you acknowledge that “around 79 the Taliban told women to cover up” is factually incorrect?
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comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
Empty shelves in a first world country = sovereignty.
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There was a virus going around too and a silly ship blocking Suez.
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Deflect deny disseminate
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Is someone stopping food coming to us?
Who dat???😂😂
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 38 seconds ago
Oh, and the taliban didn’t exist until the mid 90s
Between 1979 and the Taliban emerging there was the entirety of the Soviet Afghan war and the first afghan civil war.
As such, would you acknowledge that “around 79 the Taliban told women to cover up” is factually incorrect?
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Haha.
Silly games lad.
Enjoy your day.😉
Enjoy your day too, glad we were able to provide some clarification to your positions 😀
Oh and the rangers game is being shown on the beeb so you should be able to pick it up in NI 👍
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
Empty shelves in a first world country = sovereignty.
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There was a virus going around too and a silly ship blocking Suez.
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Deflect deny disseminate
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Is someone stopping food coming to us?
Who dat???😂😂
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You're alright, you're still in the EU.
Keep believing the rest of us ain't effected though.
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posted 8 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 9 minutes ago
There’s the risk of conflating two things here; the tribal governing systems versus centralised democracy, and fairly extreme religious ideology versus secularism. Please see comments above regarding the poll of opinions gathered 9 years ago, and why I’d suggest people take the opinions from them with a large pinch of salt
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Afghanistan went quite secular in the 1970's and when Moscow was trying to run the show, then around 79 the Taliban told women to cover up, and girls stopped from learning, making up their own Islamist rules to control girls and women, and so those seeking to implement Islamist sharia law began to ruin another nation and oppress millions of Afghans.
The Taliban are just one form of Islamist extremism that now controls up to two billion people across the world from Pakistan, to Iran, Turkey, Saudi and into north Africa.
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2 billion? Where did that number come from?
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Number of people living under forms of Islamist rule from Pakistan, Afgahnistan, through the middle East and into north Africa....ruining nations.
The reason we have migrants leaving all of above to seek a life in the UK, for example.
Honestly, I thought it was on the news over the last 8 or 9 years at least, Bmcl.😂
You're a wee chancer.😊
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
Empty shelves in a first world country = sovereignty.
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There was a virus going around too and a silly ship blocking Suez.
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Deflect deny disseminate
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Is someone stopping food coming to us?
Who dat???😂😂
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You're alright, you're still in the EU.
Keep believing the rest of us ain't effected though.
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I acknowledge reality....several reasons for shortages of food and workers in the UK and Ireland.
Leaving EU and covid and lack of drivers who got new jobs during lockdown and hospitality staff in Donegal and Belfast and London who got other jobs during lockdown or could not be paid by pubs.
And the blockage of Suez impacted more than we think with goods coming from China etc.
As discussed, brexit is done and dusted and we now have a new reality that some who voted differently cannot accept, but that is where we are.
Time to move on, perhaps???😊
fack off
It's accepted and it's going horribly. We'll move on when we get the sunlit uplands that were promised
Laters lads.
Don't forget to blame the Taliban and Islamists when focusing on just the West.😉
And I have called out the West enough already.😊
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
Empty shelves in a first world country = sovereignty.
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There was a virus going around too and a silly ship blocking Suez.
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Deflect deny disseminate
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Is someone stopping food coming to us?
Who dat???😂😂
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You're alright, you're still in the EU.
Keep believing the rest of us ain't effected though.
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I acknowledge reality....several reasons for shortages of food and workers in the UK and Ireland.
Leaving EU and covid and lack of drivers who got new jobs during lockdown and hospitality staff in Donegal and Belfast and London who got other jobs during lockdown or could not be paid by pubs.
And the blockage of Suez impacted more than we think with goods coming from China etc.
As discussed, brexit is done and dusted and we now have a new reality that some who voted differently cannot accept, but that is where we are.
Time to move on, perhaps???😊
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Like I said, Deflect, deny, disseminate.
2 billion seems quite high.
Generously population of the world 7.75billion.
Population of the Americas is about 1 billion. So down to 6.75.
Population of China, India, Indonesia, Japan, Vietnam (just top 5 non “Islamist” countries in Asia; 3.14 billion, so down to 3.61.
Europe is about 750m minus turkey (85) so that 665, sl down to 2.95
Sub Saharan Africa (ie not North Africa) population is roughly 1.14 billion, so we’re down to 1.81.
Without going any further we’re already comfortably below your 2 billion estimate.
So will ask again; how did you calculate your 2 billion estimate?
TBAB
Hope you & yours are well.
In regard to food shortages, this is a problem confined to England, Scotland, & Wales. Other countries have been adversely impacted due to CV19 but are not experiencing the same issues.
EU labour (on average) supported between 5/10% of the UK labour market. Due to Brexit and Covid many EU nationals fulfilling these roles returned home. However because of the government’s new immigratioin rules most EU nationals can no longer return to prop up UK supply chains etc.
There are widespread labour shortages throughout the UK workforce.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/skilled-worker-visa-shortage-occupations/skilled-worker-visa-shortage-occupations
The UKgov rejected industry requests for new immigration rules to be relaxed, so the immediate problems could be alleviated, however the government rejected this stating the public voted to “take back control of our immigration system.”
So to incentivise UK nationals to take up these jobs, wages will have to increase (and there is some evidence of this happening). This will result in smaller SME’s struggling to cope and some going out of business, as agrifoods is a large volume, small margin industry.
The larger supermarkets will be able to absorb some of the additional costs, but a proportion will be passed on to the consumer. Coupled with rising inflation, food prices are likely to increase exponentially.
The problem is also going to get worse later this year (post October) when many POAO imports (produce of animal origins) from the EU ends.
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You will not be able to import the following prohibited and restricted goods from the EU to Great Britain from 1 October 2021:
• chilled minced meat (beef, pork, lamb, mutton and goat)
• chilled or frozen minced meat (poultry)
• mechanically separated meat from poultry and ratite or game birds
• ungraded eggs
• raw milk from cow herds with bovine tuberculosis (TB)
• chilled meat preparations
Frozen meat preparations must be frozen to an internal temperature of not more than -18°C.
A meat preparation is fresh meat of any amount, which has either:
• added foodstuffs, seasonings or additives
• undergone a process that does not change it, so it still has the characteristics of fresh meat
Examples of meat preparations are:
• raw sausages, hamburgers or meatballs, seasoned steak or chicken
• raw or partially cooked seasoned chicken strips and chicken nuggets
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/import-or-move-food-and-drink-from-the-eu-and-northern-ireland-to-great-britain#poao-you-cannot-import-from-1-october-2021
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And it’s also worth noting the UKGov has yet to implement its trade border with the EU, which means there will be even more empty supermarket shelves in the months to come, as new checks and controls come into effect.
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posted on 26/8/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 minutes ago
No idea Sat Nav, but I would treat stats based on a survey of opinions collected 9 years ago and published 8 years ago with a large pinch of salt.
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Morning, you rascal.😊
Would you agree there is support for Islamist ideology among many or a majority of Afghans?
It may not be as high as that poll suggested, but the reality across the world today, from Kabul to Pakistan, from Iran to saudi arabia and from Libya to Somalia, from Turkey to Egypt shows Islamists in govt, trying to take over or influence society to go under Islamist fundamentalism.
A poll 8 or 9 years ago is relevant on how Afghan people feel too, btw.
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Morning. Honestly, I don’t know. Maybe. They’ve had a form of sharia law in place in Afghanistan all through the last 20 years and earlier, so would suggest there’s at least a modicum of support for that.
You are right that there are currently governments/regimes/administrations throughout Asia and Africa where there are elements of Islam as part of the laws of those lands. Some are more extreme than others. Much as has been and tbh still is wrt Christianity in different parts of the world.
As above I think a poll of opinions collected 9 years ago should be taken with a large grain of salt. Particularly for a country that has had such seismic change as Afghanistan. For example, if you think that from then to now you’d have far larger proportion of females polled who have been through primary and secondary (and indeed tertiary)education, I suspect some of the responses to questions would be drastically different.
posted on 26/8/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 9 minutes ago
No idea Sat Nav, but I would treat stats based on a survey of opinions collected 9 years ago and published 8 years ago with a large pinch of salt.
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Would you dismiss an 8 year old poll on Brexit, Scots Indy or Irish border poll so easily, mucker?😉
Things do not change that much over a few years.
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Please see me response above on how things have genuinely changed in Afghanistan
And I await the paragraph number of the Good Friday agreement from WWSPD on the 7 year border poll 😂
posted on 26/8/21
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 6 minutes ago
Particularly when making present tense statements about the waters the taliban swim in.
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The Taliban want Islamist rule and the West cannot accept that people in Afghanistan agree....same in north Africa and Middle East where people such as Blair and Clinton sought to impose liberal democracy on nations not inclined to do so.
The taliban have taken over and required support to do so, not just terror.
There are 14 different tribes in Afghanistan, all mentioned in their national anthem, so western observers trying to regime change there or put western ideology upon afghans is just folly.
If you look at much of the region, middle East and North Africa, Islamists are in charge now and not some tiny fringe.
If we do not accept that reality, and if we do not have a conversation about political and govt Islamist fundamentalism, we will continue to get it wrong on foreign policy, imo.
Present tense
posted on 26/8/21
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posted on 26/8/21
There’s the risk of conflating two things here; the tribal governing systems versus centralised democracy, and fairly extreme religious ideology versus secularism. Please see comments above regarding the poll of opinions gathered 9 years ago, and why I’d suggest people take the opinions from them with a large pinch of salt
posted on 26/8/21
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 1 minute ago
Sharia law hasn't changed in 9 years. 😂
It's not like it would be an annual poll. 🤣
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😂 well interestingly there are many different flavours of what Sharia law is, as the study goes into in some detail. It’s why above I refer to “a form of sharia law” as there is no one version of it.
posted on 26/8/21
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 9 minutes ago
No idea Sat Nav, but I would treat stats based on a survey of opinions collected 9 years ago and published 8 years ago with a large pinch of salt.
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Would you dismiss an 8 year old poll on Brexit, Scots Indy or Irish border poll so easily, mucker?😉
Things do not change that much over a few years.
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Please see me response above on how things have genuinely changed in Afghanistan
And I await the paragraph number of the Good Friday agreement from WWSPD on the 7 year border poll 😂
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Haha....if things changed dramatically over recent years among Afghans, then hopefully they replace the Taliban soon and fix their country, mate.
As I posted many times, the West messed up in regions such as Kabul and Iraq, backing Islamists against others, But...the thing is the Islamists were there and trying to grow and gain power, so why has the world left billions of folk across the world to fall under Islamist rule????
This is the case in places such as Turkey and Egypt and Saudi and Qatar, yet we allow islamist fundamentalism there to go along without enough international counter pressure to oppression of girls, women, gay people, Christians, minority faiths, dissenters etc.
Just my opinion, but the world has turned a lazy hypocritical eye to global Islamist power.
posted on 26/8/21
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 1 minute ago
Sharia law hasn't changed in 9 years. 😂
It's not like it would be an annual poll. 🤣
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😂 well interestingly there are many different flavours of what Sharia law is, as the study goes into in some detail. It’s why above I refer to “a form of sharia law” as there is no one version of it.
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Any form of sharia religious fundamentalism is open to debate on how people in 2021 are governed in society, imo.
The cathic church had too much power in Ireland and abroad and abused people, as did other faith groups when we accepted a form of Christian fundamentalism as normal in the world.
Growing up in NI the dup and Free P church had control where I grew up and they closed parks, chained swings and stopped us playing fitba in a Sunday.
Fundamentalists in any form are not fun or good for society, imo
posted on 26/8/21
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 9 minutes ago
There’s the risk of conflating two things here; the tribal governing systems versus centralised democracy, and fairly extreme religious ideology versus secularism. Please see comments above regarding the poll of opinions gathered 9 years ago, and why I’d suggest people take the opinions from them with a large pinch of salt
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Afghanistan went quite secular in the 1970's and when Moscow was trying to run the show, then around 79 the Taliban told women to cover up, and girls stopped from learning, making up their own Islamist rules to control girls and women, and so those seeking to implement Islamist sharia law began to ruin another nation and oppress millions of Afghans.
The Taliban are just one form of Islamist extremism that now controls up to two billion people across the world from Pakistan, to Iran, Turkey, Saudi and into north Africa.
posted on 26/8/21
I am no fan of religious fundamentalists, and indeed note in areas within the UK there is appeasing of such people which bothers me. As you say fundamentalist religious people are not exclusive to any one religion. All forms of sharia are open to debate I agree, and I think with all of them I’m likely to take a dim view.
However, that doesn’t escape the initial position that opinions taken from people 9 years ago, when the vast vast majority of female (making up c50% of the population) participants would have had little to no education when providing responses, compared to now when far more will have had some education, and thus could be expected to have altered views.
posted on 26/8/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
Empty shelves in a first world country = sovereignty.
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There was a virus going around too and a silly ship blocking Suez.
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Deflect deny disseminate
posted on 26/8/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 9 minutes ago
There’s the risk of conflating two things here; the tribal governing systems versus centralised democracy, and fairly extreme religious ideology versus secularism. Please see comments above regarding the poll of opinions gathered 9 years ago, and why I’d suggest people take the opinions from them with a large pinch of salt
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Afghanistan went quite secular in the 1970's and when Moscow was trying to run the show, then around 79 the Taliban told women to cover up, and girls stopped from learning, making up their own Islamist rules to control girls and women, and so those seeking to implement Islamist sharia law began to ruin another nation and oppress millions of Afghans.
The Taliban are just one form of Islamist extremism that now controls up to two billion people across the world from Pakistan, to Iran, Turkey, Saudi and into north Africa.
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2 billion? Where did that number come from?
posted on 26/8/21
Bmcl
As long as Rangers beat Celtic on Sunday, nothing else matters lol.😂
Arguing the toss over degrees or "forms" of sharia law and Afghan poll support for stoning etc is academic to an extent, as the Taliban are now top dogs, literally.
Just as their islamist brothers are in govt or with great influence in Pakistan, middle East and North Africa.
posted on 26/8/21
Oh, and the taliban didn’t exist until the mid 90s
Between 1979 and the Taliban emerging there was the entirety of the Soviet Afghan war and the first afghan civil war.
As such, would you acknowledge that “around 79 the Taliban told women to cover up” is factually incorrect?
posted on 26/8/21
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
Empty shelves in a first world country = sovereignty.
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There was a virus going around too and a silly ship blocking Suez.
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Deflect deny disseminate
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Is someone stopping food coming to us?
Who dat???😂😂
posted on 26/8/21
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 38 seconds ago
Oh, and the taliban didn’t exist until the mid 90s
Between 1979 and the Taliban emerging there was the entirety of the Soviet Afghan war and the first afghan civil war.
As such, would you acknowledge that “around 79 the Taliban told women to cover up” is factually incorrect?
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Haha.
Silly games lad.
Enjoy your day.😉
posted on 26/8/21
Enjoy your day too, glad we were able to provide some clarification to your positions 😀
Oh and the rangers game is being shown on the beeb so you should be able to pick it up in NI 👍
posted on 26/8/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
Empty shelves in a first world country = sovereignty.
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There was a virus going around too and a silly ship blocking Suez.
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Deflect deny disseminate
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Is someone stopping food coming to us?
Who dat???😂😂
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You're alright, you're still in the EU.
Keep believing the rest of us ain't effected though.
posted on 26/8/21
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 9 minutes ago
There’s the risk of conflating two things here; the tribal governing systems versus centralised democracy, and fairly extreme religious ideology versus secularism. Please see comments above regarding the poll of opinions gathered 9 years ago, and why I’d suggest people take the opinions from them with a large pinch of salt
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Afghanistan went quite secular in the 1970's and when Moscow was trying to run the show, then around 79 the Taliban told women to cover up, and girls stopped from learning, making up their own Islamist rules to control girls and women, and so those seeking to implement Islamist sharia law began to ruin another nation and oppress millions of Afghans.
The Taliban are just one form of Islamist extremism that now controls up to two billion people across the world from Pakistan, to Iran, Turkey, Saudi and into north Africa.
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2 billion? Where did that number come from?
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Number of people living under forms of Islamist rule from Pakistan, Afgahnistan, through the middle East and into north Africa....ruining nations.
The reason we have migrants leaving all of above to seek a life in the UK, for example.
Honestly, I thought it was on the news over the last 8 or 9 years at least, Bmcl.😂
You're a wee chancer.😊
posted on 26/8/21
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Empty shelves in a first world country = sovereignty.
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There was a virus going around too and a silly ship blocking Suez.
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Deflect deny disseminate
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Is someone stopping food coming to us?
Who dat???😂😂
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You're alright, you're still in the EU.
Keep believing the rest of us ain't effected though.
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I acknowledge reality....several reasons for shortages of food and workers in the UK and Ireland.
Leaving EU and covid and lack of drivers who got new jobs during lockdown and hospitality staff in Donegal and Belfast and London who got other jobs during lockdown or could not be paid by pubs.
And the blockage of Suez impacted more than we think with goods coming from China etc.
As discussed, brexit is done and dusted and we now have a new reality that some who voted differently cannot accept, but that is where we are.
Time to move on, perhaps???😊
posted on 26/8/21
fack off
It's accepted and it's going horribly. We'll move on when we get the sunlit uplands that were promised
posted on 26/8/21
Laters lads.
Don't forget to blame the Taliban and Islamists when focusing on just the West.😉
And I have called out the West enough already.😊
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comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
Empty shelves in a first world country = sovereignty.
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There was a virus going around too and a silly ship blocking Suez.
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Deflect deny disseminate
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Is someone stopping food coming to us?
Who dat???😂😂
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You're alright, you're still in the EU.
Keep believing the rest of us ain't effected though.
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I acknowledge reality....several reasons for shortages of food and workers in the UK and Ireland.
Leaving EU and covid and lack of drivers who got new jobs during lockdown and hospitality staff in Donegal and Belfast and London who got other jobs during lockdown or could not be paid by pubs.
And the blockage of Suez impacted more than we think with goods coming from China etc.
As discussed, brexit is done and dusted and we now have a new reality that some who voted differently cannot accept, but that is where we are.
Time to move on, perhaps???😊
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Like I said, Deflect, deny, disseminate.
posted on 26/8/21
2 billion seems quite high.
Generously population of the world 7.75billion.
Population of the Americas is about 1 billion. So down to 6.75.
Population of China, India, Indonesia, Japan, Vietnam (just top 5 non “Islamist” countries in Asia; 3.14 billion, so down to 3.61.
Europe is about 750m minus turkey (85) so that 665, sl down to 2.95
Sub Saharan Africa (ie not North Africa) population is roughly 1.14 billion, so we’re down to 1.81.
Without going any further we’re already comfortably below your 2 billion estimate.
So will ask again; how did you calculate your 2 billion estimate?
posted on 26/8/21
TBAB
Hope you & yours are well.
In regard to food shortages, this is a problem confined to England, Scotland, & Wales. Other countries have been adversely impacted due to CV19 but are not experiencing the same issues.
EU labour (on average) supported between 5/10% of the UK labour market. Due to Brexit and Covid many EU nationals fulfilling these roles returned home. However because of the government’s new immigratioin rules most EU nationals can no longer return to prop up UK supply chains etc.
There are widespread labour shortages throughout the UK workforce.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/skilled-worker-visa-shortage-occupations/skilled-worker-visa-shortage-occupations
The UKgov rejected industry requests for new immigration rules to be relaxed, so the immediate problems could be alleviated, however the government rejected this stating the public voted to “take back control of our immigration system.”
So to incentivise UK nationals to take up these jobs, wages will have to increase (and there is some evidence of this happening). This will result in smaller SME’s struggling to cope and some going out of business, as agrifoods is a large volume, small margin industry.
The larger supermarkets will be able to absorb some of the additional costs, but a proportion will be passed on to the consumer. Coupled with rising inflation, food prices are likely to increase exponentially.
The problem is also going to get worse later this year (post October) when many POAO imports (produce of animal origins) from the EU ends.
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You will not be able to import the following prohibited and restricted goods from the EU to Great Britain from 1 October 2021:
• chilled minced meat (beef, pork, lamb, mutton and goat)
• chilled or frozen minced meat (poultry)
• mechanically separated meat from poultry and ratite or game birds
• ungraded eggs
• raw milk from cow herds with bovine tuberculosis (TB)
• chilled meat preparations
Frozen meat preparations must be frozen to an internal temperature of not more than -18°C.
A meat preparation is fresh meat of any amount, which has either:
• added foodstuffs, seasonings or additives
• undergone a process that does not change it, so it still has the characteristics of fresh meat
Examples of meat preparations are:
• raw sausages, hamburgers or meatballs, seasoned steak or chicken
• raw or partially cooked seasoned chicken strips and chicken nuggets
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/import-or-move-food-and-drink-from-the-eu-and-northern-ireland-to-great-britain#poao-you-cannot-import-from-1-october-2021
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And it’s also worth noting the UKGov has yet to implement its trade border with the EU, which means there will be even more empty supermarket shelves in the months to come, as new checks and controls come into effect.
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