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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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3 for £7 is a good deal
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That's why we have it for tea once a week


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They do a lovely gambas pil pil too but I’ve not seen it for a while, maybe discontinued sadly.

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comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 2 minutes ago
I've seen quite a bit at M+S, Morrisons and Tesco's. Never an issue at Waitrose.

I was very annoyed when I couldn't get my Tuscan penne pasta at M+S last week. VERY ANNOYED!!

I had to choose something else and to be honest it threw my whole week out. I'm still reeling now, hopefully it will be there today.


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Actually I did miss my Tuscan sausage penne once too! I take it back, I’m outraged
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Tuscan sausage pasta isn’t something I’d come across but this recipe looks 🤌

https://www.saltandlavender.com/tuscan-sausage-pasta/
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For ready meal standards is quite impressive I have to say. M&S in general for prepared quick food is miles better than other brands
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It's the only place I will buy ready meals from. I only have them once a week anyway, but a lot of their stuff is amazing, every Friday we have a ready meal, desert juice etc from M+S for less than the cost of a takeaway

Currently obsessed with their toffee meringues, the cream in the middle tastes like butterscotch.

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
I've got to say though, that looking solely at the lorry driver situation is incredibly short sighted.

There is a bigger issue going largely unreported in that produce is rotting in farmers fields right now, unharvested, dairy cows aren't being milked (and will probably be shot as a consequence) hay/straw isn't being baled and it's going to have a massive knock on to animal agriculture industries.

I think it's 1 in 5 agriculture positions currently unfulfilled, it's a major issue, and whilst I acknowledge that we will just buy the produce elsewhere and ship it here, it leaves others without food, in famine, it increases food miles, reduces quality and undermines animal health standards.

It's a house of cards close to collapse.
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One thing I’ve never understood and you’ll probably know why this is. Which is why milk for example is still so cheap. Let’s say 50p for the smaller carton in Tesco’s etc. I understand that farmers in general are squeezed to fk, I’d happily pay 75p for that milk for example.

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 2 minutes ago
I've got to say though, that looking solely at the lorry driver situation is incredibly short sighted.

There is a bigger issue going largely unreported in that produce is rotting in farmers fields right now, unharvested, dairy cows aren't being milked (and will probably be shot as a consequence) hay/straw isn't being baled and it's going to have a massive knock on to animal agriculture industries.

I think it's 1 in 5 agriculture positions currently unfulfilled, it's a major issue, and whilst I acknowledge that we will just buy the produce elsewhere and ship it here, it leaves others without food, in famine, it increases food miles, reduces quality and undermines animal health standards.

It's a house of cards close to collapse.
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genuine question mate, what is the issue with hiring staff skill shortage, wages being low

https://twitter.com/OliverDowden/status/1430777797774090246?s=19

So this is going to be the next pseudo "brexit win"

And really from what the hapless dowden has said the only upside he can really give is less need to click "accept all" when visiting a new website

Anyone else a little skeptical about this “imminent terror threat at Kabul airport” line?

Although logic says it’s an obvious target right now for the likes of Al Qaeda (and I should probably be applying Occam’s Razor accordingly), it’s very convenient for US and UK administrations which have completely lost control of the situation on the ground, desperately need to get a growing number of people away from the airport (for public order and health, security and optics reasons), and want to cut and run as quickly as possible.

Does this mean those puppies won't catch their flight?

comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
Anyone else a little skeptical about this “imminent terror threat at Kabul airport” line?

Although logic says it’s an obvious target right now for the likes of Al Qaeda (and I should probably be applying Occam’s Razor accordingly), it’s very convenient for US and UK administrations which have completely lost control of the situation on the ground, desperately need to get a growing number of people away from the airport (for public order and health, security and optics reasons), and want to cut and run as quickly as possible.
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agree it sounds like a great excuse to pull out.

comment by Happy Pranks 2021 FF JA LFC Champion (U22336)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can’t say I’ve noticed a huge or even notable problem with food in supermarkets at all.


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this, I've not noticed any shortage of any product.
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Seems to be regional so you must be one of the lucky ones.

It's been widely reported by the likes of Logistics UK, retailers, producers, the NFU, the British Retail Consortium, The Grocer, The Road Haulage Association, the ONS (labour force survey) The Food and Drink federation, Food and Beverage Industry Suppliers Association, and the CBI.

In short pretty much every body in the UK agrifood sector.

comment by Happy Pranks 2021 FF JA LFC Champion (U22336)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
Anyone else a little skeptical about this “imminent terror threat at Kabul airport” line?

Although logic says it’s an obvious target right now for the likes of Al Qaeda (and I should probably be applying Occam’s Razor accordingly), it’s very convenient for US and UK administrations which have completely lost control of the situation on the ground, desperately need to get a growing number of people away from the airport (for public order and health, security and optics reasons), and want to cut and run as quickly as possible.
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agree it sounds like a great excuse to pull out.
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I think their biggest immediate issue is getting people away from the airport.

Beyond the wider issues across the country, there’s an immediate localised humanitarian/civil disaster on the verge.

comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 15 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/OliverDowden/status/1430777797774090246?s=19

So this is going to be the next pseudo "brexit win"

And really from what the hapless dowden has said the only upside he can really give is less need to click "accept all" when visiting a new website
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The EU don't trust US data protection systems but they trust ours, if we can do a deal with the US (who deal with lots of countries that the EU also don't trust) and maintain our competency with the EU, we could do well by acting a a bridge.

But it's a complex square to circle.

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 15 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/OliverDowden/status/1430777797774090246?s=19

So this is going to be the next pseudo "brexit win"

And really from what the hapless dowden has said the only upside he can really give is less need to click "accept all" when visiting a new website
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The EU don't trust US data protection systems but they trust ours, if we can do a deal with the US (who deal with lots of countries that the EU also don't trust) and maintain our competency with the EU, we could do well by acting a a bridge.

But it's a complex square to circle.
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Exactly the problem... Under the guise of cutting red tape they're only going to create more

There might be a way of doing this properly to keep confidence and get and advantage but Olivier Dowden and his colleagues aren't skilled enough or diligent enough to find it

I wouldn't trust them not to get our competency with the EU rescinded and still not do a deal with the US.

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posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 2 minutes ago
I've seen quite a bit at M+S, Morrisons and Tesco's. Never an issue at Waitrose.

I was very annoyed when I couldn't get my Tuscan penne pasta at M+S last week. VERY ANNOYED!!

I had to choose something else and to be honest it threw my whole week out. I'm still reeling now, hopefully it will be there today.


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Actually I did miss my Tuscan sausage penne once too! I take it back, I’m outraged
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Tuscan sausage pasta isn’t something I’d come across but this recipe looks 🤌

https://www.saltandlavender.com/tuscan-sausage-pasta/
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For ready meal standards is quite impressive I have to say. M&S in general for prepared quick food is miles better than other brands
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It's the only place I will buy ready meals from. I only have them once a week anyway, but a lot of their stuff is amazing, every Friday we have a ready meal, desert juice etc from M+S for less than the cost of a takeaway

Currently obsessed with their toffee meringues, the cream in the middle tastes like butterscotch.
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I think the only thing they sell which is crap is their mints.

Everything else is A++

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 24 minutes ago
I wouldn't trust them not to get our competency with the EU rescinded and still not do a deal with the US.
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Bookmarked

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
I've got to say though, that looking solely at the lorry driver situation is incredibly short sighted.

There is a bigger issue going largely unreported in that produce is rotting in farmers fields right now, unharvested, dairy cows aren't being milked (and will probably be shot as a consequence) hay/straw isn't being baled and it's going to have a massive knock on to animal agriculture industries.

I think it's 1 in 5 agriculture positions currently unfulfilled, it's a major issue, and whilst I acknowledge that we will just buy the produce elsewhere and ship it here, it leaves others without food, in famine, it increases food miles, reduces quality and undermines animal health standards.

It's a house of cards close to collapse.
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One thing I’ve never understood and you’ll probably know why this is. Which is why milk for example is still so cheap. Let’s say 50p for the smaller carton in Tesco’s etc. I understand that farmers in general are squeezed to fk, I’d happily pay 75p for that milk for example.
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Loss leader, the supermarkets deliberately slash away all profit margins on certain lines to "win" on the "cheapest basket" comparisons.

Milk is one line that's sacrificed, to the point it's often sold at a loss to the farmer. And the supermarket still slashes their portion to the bone, dairy products need to double in price to be sustainable, and if the government follow through with their proposed changes to the CAP (changing to an insurance scheme for failed crops) then you can double it again. As you can for most foods..

Farming is largely subsidised and was even more so under the EU

The supermarket race to the bottom is a market forces thing

comment by Happy Pranks 2021 FF JA LFC Champion (U22336)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 2 minutes ago
I've got to say though, that looking solely at the lorry driver situation is incredibly short sighted.

There is a bigger issue going largely unreported in that produce is rotting in farmers fields right now, unharvested, dairy cows aren't being milked (and will probably be shot as a consequence) hay/straw isn't being baled and it's going to have a massive knock on to animal agriculture industries.

I think it's 1 in 5 agriculture positions currently unfulfilled, it's a major issue, and whilst I acknowledge that we will just buy the produce elsewhere and ship it here, it leaves others without food, in famine, it increases food miles, reduces quality and undermines animal health standards.

It's a house of cards close to collapse.
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genuine question mate, what is the issue with hiring staffskill shortage, wages being low
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All of the above

Skill shortages for the skilled roles are common because younger folk now don't want the jobs, they removed the agricultural mininum wage (£1 above national) so the jobs now pay less. Conditions aren't great, weather, hours, holiday restrictions)

But also Brexit is a huge issue, it used to be that kids from across Europe would come here for our harvest season, smash out 6 weeks of 12 hour days and then enjoy an extended holiday here, popular with students and professionals from across the EU who essentially migrated around doing the work and travelling.

As well as that huge numbers have left the industry due to feeling unwelcome here, a Pole I worked with left after her and her partner were confronted for speaking Polish in Morrisons about a month after the Brexit vote, when the moronic subsection of society felt emboldened.

A Romanian couple who also worked there left last summer when lockdowns eased, saying it would be harder to stay after Brexit, they felt unwelcome and that if there would be further travel restrictions they would rather be at home with their families. They were working here to rapidly pay off the mortgage on their farm in Romania, so it's not like they had nothing to go back to, and in 5 years here on minimum wage, had paid off half their debt.

There's no easy way to fix the farming sector, I expect automation to increase in pace to absorb the jobs, robotic milking parlours are increasing in number and efficiency all the time.

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
I've got to say though, that looking solely at the lorry driver situation is incredibly short sighted.

There is a bigger issue going largely unreported in that produce is rotting in farmers fields right now, unharvested, dairy cows aren't being milked (and will probably be shot as a consequence) hay/straw isn't being baled and it's going to have a massive knock on to animal agriculture industries.

I think it's 1 in 5 agriculture positions currently unfulfilled, it's a major issue, and whilst I acknowledge that we will just buy the produce elsewhere and ship it here, it leaves others without food, in famine, it increases food miles, reduces quality and undermines animal health standards.

It's a house of cards close to collapse.
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One thing I’ve never understood and you’ll probably know why this is. Which is why milk for example is still so cheap. Let’s say 50p for the smaller carton in Tesco’s etc. I understand that farmers in general are squeezed to fk, I’d happily pay 75p for that milk for example.
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Loss leader, the supermarkets deliberately slash away all profit margins on certain lines to "win" on the "cheapest basket" comparisons.

Milk is one line that's sacrificed, to the point it's often sold at a loss to the farmer. And the supermarket still slashes their portion to the bone, dairy products need to double in price to be sustainable, and if the government follow through with their proposed changes to the CAP (changing to an insurance scheme for failed crops) then you can double it again. As you can for most foods..
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CAP replacements (UKgov subsidies) are to be phased out by 2024.

Whilst CAP (I see you had mentioned the other day ) is a flawed scheme (paid by size of land owned) as Save British Farming highlighted, tens of thousands of UK farms will be lost in light of the new UK farming subsidy regime within the next 5/10 years.

https://youtu.be/QuM6tafec80

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1003924/farming-changing.pdf

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
I've got to say though, that looking solely at the lorry driver situation is incredibly short sighted.

There is a bigger issue going largely unreported in that produce is rotting in farmers fields right now, unharvested, dairy cows aren't being milked (and will probably be shot as a consequence) hay/straw isn't being baled and it's going to have a massive knock on to animal agriculture industries.

I think it's 1 in 5 agriculture positions currently unfulfilled, it's a major issue, and whilst I acknowledge that we will just buy the produce elsewhere and ship it here, it leaves others without food, in famine, it increases food miles, reduces quality and undermines animal health standards.

It's a house of cards close to collapse.
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One thing I’ve never understood and you’ll probably know why this is. Which is why milk for example is still so cheap. Let’s say 50p for the smaller carton in Tesco’s etc. I understand that farmers in general are squeezed to fk, I’d happily pay 75p for that milk for example.
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Loss leader, the supermarkets deliberately slash away all profit margins on certain lines to "win" on the "cheapest basket" comparisons.

Milk is one line that's sacrificed, to the point it's often sold at a loss to the farmer. And the supermarket still slashes their portion to the bone, dairy products need to double in price to be sustainable, and if the government follow through with their proposed changes to the CAP (changing to an insurance scheme for failed crops) then you can double it again. As you can for most foods..
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That’s a real shame. Everything else has doubled or triple in price in the last twenty years but milk is just too cheap.

Fking corporationism

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? McDonald’s Milkshake connoisseur (U3126)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
I've got to say though, that looking solely at the lorry driver situation is incredibly short sighted.

There is a bigger issue going largely unreported in that produce is rotting in farmers fields right now, unharvested, dairy cows aren't being milked (and will probably be shot as a consequence) hay/straw isn't being baled and it's going to have a massive knock on to animal agriculture industries.

I think it's 1 in 5 agriculture positions currently unfulfilled, it's a major issue, and whilst I acknowledge that we will just buy the produce elsewhere and ship it here, it leaves others without food, in famine, it increases food miles, reduces quality and undermines animal health standards.

It's a house of cards close to collapse.
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One thing I’ve never understood and you’ll probably know why this is. Which is why milk for example is still so cheap. Let’s say 50p for the smaller carton in Tesco’s etc. I understand that farmers in general are squeezed to fk, I’d happily pay 75p for that milk for example.
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Loss leader, the supermarkets deliberately slash away all profit margins on certain lines to "win" on the "cheapest basket" comparisons.

Milk is one line that's sacrificed, to the point it's often sold at a loss to the farmer. And the supermarket still slashes their portion to the bone, dairy products need to double in price to be sustainable, and if the government follow through with their proposed changes to the CAP (changing to an insurance scheme for failed crops) then you can double it again. As you can for most foods..
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CAP replacements (UKgov subsidies) are to be phased out by 2024.

Whilst CAP (I see you had mentioned the other day) is a flawed scheme (paid by size of land owned) as Save British Farming highlighted, tens of thousands of UK farms will be lost in light of the new UK farming subsidy regime within the next 5/10 years.

https://youtu.be/QuM6tafec80

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1003924/farming-changing.pdf
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I need to look through the new regulations, but gives initial idea post Brexit will be a death knell for most farming and the environment.

Currently farmers are paid to keep trees, 1m wildlife margins, hedgerows (A recent study pointed out that this could be one of our biggest allies against climate change, replanting millions of miles of hedge margins in fields) livestock levels at reasonable levels and a whole host of other environmental solutions on Both a lower tier payment and a higher tier payment based on points scored per acre of farmland.

Goves idea to just Insure against crop failure would be a monumental failure, the CAP represents the profit on most farms, with the produce being sold at near cost to produce, the CAP artificially keeps food prices low whilst protecting nature.

I'll have to look at the proposals to see what they will be doing, but removal would double food prices overnight.

I skim read that proposal WWSPD..



Delinking farming of the land to payments will further entrench the issues I highlighted the other day (on the other thread) landbanking and leaving it fallow will attract payments more than carefully managed stewardship.

As well as removing protections for grassland ffs, bye bye butterflies!

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 6 minutes ago
I skim read that proposal WWSPD..



Delinking farming of the land to payments will further entrench the issues I highlighted the other day (on the other thread) landbanking and leaving it fallow will attract payments more than carefully managed stewardship.

As well as removing protections for grassland ffs, bye bye butterflies!
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As with nearly all brexit related policy decisions, it may have been helpful for the government to engage with stakeholders etc to ascertain their needs...

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? McDonald’s Milkshake connoisseur (U3126)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 6 minutes ago
I skim read that proposal WWSPD..



Delinking farming of the land to payments will further entrench the issues I highlighted the other day (on the other thread) landbanking and leaving it fallow will attract payments more than carefully managed stewardship.

As well as removing protections for grassland ffs, bye bye butterflies!
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As with nearly all brexit related policy decisions, it may have been helpful for the government to engage with stakeholders etc to ascertain their needs...
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I think they probably have spoken to certain stakeholders. Wealthy landowners, grouse moor owners etc.

On a skim, this legislation is perfect for them, you don't need to be the farmer to benefit from the pot of cash anymore.

Tory donors then