comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 seconds ago
https://www.ft.com/content/0520b466-b21a-4ee8-ba3c-91cbe1b1c6fd
Well, well, well...
IMF suggests Sunak raises taxes on the rich to fight inflation.
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IMF? That well known nest of socialist commie lefties?
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 24 seconds ago
I'd wager the majority of wars are waged between those with as much in common as Russians and Ukranians.
In fact, I'd go as far to say, across the world we all have far more in common that we have that differs, but some people will always find a reason for a punch up.
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I wonder if that 5% difference is more frustrating than having only 50% in common, perhaps big differences are easier to accept?
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I think Russians and Ukranians have humanity in common and should not kill each other.
And the UK or American troops should not be killing or dying there either.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 27 minutes ago
I'd wager the majority of wars are waged between those with as much in common as Russians and Ukranians.
In fact, I'd go as far to say, across the world we all have far more in common that we have that differs, but some people will always find a reason for a punch up.
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True enough, family and neighbour disputes, but as Russian and Ukrainian share do much in common, including land, language, culture and history, it if sad they could not kill each other.
Putin messed up invading in 2014 and he just makes matters worse today, but hopefully ear is averted and he does not take all Ukraine.
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Hopefully.
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👍
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 seconds ago
https://www.ft.com/content/0520b466-b21a-4ee8-ba3c-91cbe1b1c6fd
Well, well, well...
IMF suggests Sunak raises taxes on the rich to fight inflation.
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IMF? That well known nest of socialist commie lefties?
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Have you not seen the video? It doesn't raise money for governments.
Q.
Chatting today wi NI fans who were in Ukraine years ago on a party train, travelling to Donetsk and Kyiv, where they got on great with people in both cities, as they always do on your.
In Donestk, one guy described seeing older guys with Russian army medals and boys in their 40-50's, drunk and unemployed on street corners, harking back to glory days of the old Soviet era.
From the west, Russia and Russians in Ukraine are now seen as public enemy number one, but they have a story and history too, unfortunately being used and abused by Putin.
Some are talking about fighting Russia here and then China, if they move on Taiwan, and we know these posters will not be at the front, but like Blair, Bush, Clinton, will cheer on from the big house.
I am not sure folk know western troops are only their to defend NATO lines and not Ukraine borders, or we would have been in war footing already, killing Russians in Donetsk and coming home in body bags, nevermind not doing anything in 2014.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 seconds ago
https://www.ft.com/content/0520b466-b21a-4ee8-ba3c-91cbe1b1c6fd
Well, well, well...
IMF suggests Sunak raises taxes on the rich to fight inflation.
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IMF? That well known nest of socialist commie lefties?
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Those socialist commies are actually right wing, we learned today.👍😉
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 seconds ago
https://www.ft.com/content/0520b466-b21a-4ee8-ba3c-91cbe1b1c6fd
Well, well, well...
IMF suggests Sunak raises taxes on the rich to fight inflation.
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IMF? That well known nest of socialist commie lefties?
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Those socialist commies are actually right wing, we learned today.👍😉
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The IMF?
Sarcasm is hard to do in text.
BREAKING: Switzerland defies the Western consensus by refusing to sanction Russia but insists it will not facilitate violations of EU sanctions
Tory Swiss
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 seconds ago
https://www.ft.com/content/0520b466-b21a-4ee8-ba3c-91cbe1b1c6fd
Well, well, well...
IMF suggests Sunak raises taxes on the rich to fight inflation.
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IMF? That well known nest of socialist commie lefties?
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Those socialist commies are actually right wing, we learned today.👍😉
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The IMF?
Sarcasm is hard to do in text.
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I had it at socialist commies.
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comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 seconds ago
https://www.ft.com/content/0520b466-b21a-4ee8-ba3c-91cbe1b1c6fd
Well, well, well...
IMF suggests Sunak raises taxes on the rich to fight inflation.
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IMF? That well known nest of socialist commie lefties?
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Have you not seen the video? It doesn't raise money for governments.
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It’s not for the purpose of raising money for the government (as raising taxes on the rich doesn’t achieve that) it’s to limit spending.
Countering the inflation that comes from excess borrowing comes from increasing interest rates and raising taxes.
It’s very, very tough years ahead. Of course people will moan when this all happens but it’s inevitable
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 seconds ago
https://www.ft.com/content/0520b466-b21a-4ee8-ba3c-91cbe1b1c6fd
Well, well, well...
IMF suggests Sunak raises taxes on the rich to fight inflation.
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IMF? That well known nest of socialist commie lefties?
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Those socialist commies are actually right wing, we learned today.👍😉
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The IMF?
Sarcasm is hard to do in text.
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I had it at socialist commies.
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From Facebook:
For those who ask: “Why does Ukraine matter? “
This is why Ukraine matters.
It is the second largest country by area in Europe by area and has a population
of over 40 million - more than Poland.
Ukraine ranks:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;
2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);
2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)
Ukraine is an important agricultural country:
1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.
Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.
Ukraine is an important industrialised country:
1st in Europe in ammonia production;
Europe's 2nd’s and the world’s 4th largest natural gas pipeline system;
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in exports of defence industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).
Ukraine matters. That is why its independence is important to the rest of the world.
Insert - perhaps it would make sense for you to actually specifically spell out:
a) what you want 'The West' to do?
b) what you think is the limit of how far we should go?
c) how you actually think the UK has the capability to do said measures?
comment by NPE - Puns are for Prats (U22712)
posted 30 seconds ago
Insert - perhaps it would make sense for you to actually specifically spell out:
a) what you want 'The West' to do?
b) what you think is the limit of how far we should go?
c) how you actually think the UK has the capability to do said measures?
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I’ll have a crack at this.
1) Introduce heavy sanctions and if they don’t work then make clear if one Russian troop sets foot in Kyiv then NATO will intervene. Hopefully the threat of that will make Putin step back.
2) Anything up to a non nuclear threat
3) The UK doesn’t alone but as part of a united NATO then yes.
No one wants war. But if Russia are allowed to wipe Ukraine as a sovereign nation off the map that sets a hugely dangerous precedent and it’s very doubtful they’ll stop there.
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis (U22716)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by NPE - Puns are for Prats (U22712)
posted 30 seconds ago
Insert - perhaps it would make sense for you to actually specifically spell out:
a) what you want 'The West' to do?
b) what you think is the limit of how far we should go?
c) how you actually think the UK has the capability to do said measures?
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I’ll have a crack at this.
1) Introduce heavy sanctions and if they don’t work then make clear if one Russian troop sets foot in Kyiv then NATO will intervene. Hopefully the threat of that will make Putin step back.
2) Anything up to a non nuclear threat
3) The UK doesn’t alone but as part of a united NATO then yes.
No one wants war. But if Russia are allowed to wipe Ukraine as a sovereign nation off the map that sets a hugely dangerous precedent and it’s very doubtful they’ll stop there.
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1) Specify heavy sanctions - as a phrase it is effectively meaningless without a definition of what penalties you'd suggest, how far, and when you'd bring them in. I am not expecting a 10,000 word explanation of foreign policy, but 'heavy sanctions' is a get out.
Second 'NATO will intervene' - so you are prepared to go to war with Russia...a nuclear power....over Ukraine?
2) You go to war with Russia as your first answer suggests then nothing is off the table. You actually also have to believe in the delusion we have the will or capabilities to fight a war against Russia.
3) Ok, you sign up first please, conscription starts with you.
No one wants war. But if Russia are allowed to wipe Ukraine as a sovereign nation off the map that sets a hugely dangerous precedent and it’s very doubtful they’ll stop there.
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Godwin's Law alert
'No one wants war. But"
^ This is already a very blase attitude towards war.
Couldn't even keep 2,500 troops in Afghanistan and now the Left on here want us to fight an actual war against Russia.
You lot bored from the pandemic or something
comment by NPE - Puns are for Prats (U22712)
posted 1 minute ago
No one wants war. But if Russia are allowed to wipe Ukraine as a sovereign nation off the map that sets a hugely dangerous precedent and it’s very doubtful they’ll stop there.
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Godwin's Law alert
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No one mentioned Hitler and that wasn’t what I meant so a bit ironic you brought it up. A kind of Godwin’s law inception
Specify heavy sanctions - as a phrase it is effectively meaningless without a definition of what penalties you'd suggest, how far, and when you'd bring them in. I am not expecting a 10,000 word explanation of foreign policy, but 'heavy sanctions' is a get out.
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This will explain it better than I can…
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/23/obsession-sanctions-oligarchs-putin-hurt-russian-leader-ukraine
comment by NPE - Puns are for Prats (U22712)
posted 2 minutes ago
'No one wants war. But"
^ This is already a very blase attitude towards war.
Couldn't even keep 2,500 troops in Afghanistan and now the Left on here want us to fight an actual war against Russia.
You lot bored from the pandemic or something
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‘The left’ 😂
Please don’t be so basic as to make this a left/right thing. For all your many flaws I thought you’d at least try and aim higher.
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
Specify heavy sanctions - as a phrase it is effectively meaningless without a definition of what penalties you'd suggest, how far, and when you'd bring them in. I am not expecting a 10,000 word explanation of foreign policy, but 'heavy sanctions' is a get out.
—————-
This will explain it better than I can…
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/23/obsession-sanctions-oligarchs-putin-hurt-russian-leader-ukraine
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Ok, so you don't have your own opinion.
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis (U22716)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by NPE - Puns are for Prats (U22712)
posted 2 minutes ago
'No one wants war. But"
^ This is already a very blase attitude towards war.
Couldn't even keep 2,500 troops in Afghanistan and now the Left on here want us to fight an actual war against Russia.
You lot bored from the pandemic or something
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‘The left’ 😂
Please don’t be so basic as to make this a left/right thing. For all your many flaws I thought you’d at least try and aim higher.
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Clearly is, some progressives who I otherwise have plenty of time for seem to have become very flippant about wars.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 10 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted about 5 hours ago
Russian leader describing Ukraine as a puppet of the west, that was only created by communist Russia, so Vlad is doubling down now, as his forces enter Donetsk and Luhansk to "maintain peace" there.
After the pro-Russian pres of Ukraine was deposed in 2014, for a more pro-western leadership, Russia invaded and that was a mistake, imo, as it made Ukraine look at themselves and their neighbours, even though culturally and linguistically, Ukraine was linked to Russia.
As a USSR KGB man, Putin wants to turn the clock back, and the expansion of NATO from 1997 onwards means Russia is last man standing of the Soviet era.
If Ukraine joins NATO and the EU, Russia has their enemy on its borders on several fronts, so Putin is pushing back....one last hurrah of the motherland, possibly?
With UK and American troops in the new NATO nations, it is doubtful if Truss and co are correct, in forecasting Russian advances into Estonia or Poland, and as Ukraine is not in NATO, no Western boots will march towards Donestk or Luhansk, therefore Putin could in theory annexe the whole South East, where 700 k Russian passports were handed out, among ethnic Russians.
If Russian just claims Donetsk and Luhansk, war may be averted and Moscow appears willing to accept sanctions in doing so.
Depressing and fascinating times we live in.
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Them claiming two MORE regions of Ukraine just isn't acceptable..
Are we going to keep allowing them to do this every few years? When does it stop? Do we do the same with China who are eyeing up Taiwan?
When Germany started this sort of expansion at the start of ww2 should we not have intervened earlier? These are people with a democratic right to self determination. Do we no longer care about such things?
Is Putin right to say Ukraine doesn't have a right to exist?
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Finally for now before work, Russia and China are legacies of far left gone crazy in power, under banner of USSR, or communist party.
At least Labour are now calling them out, rather than being a bit soft of Eastern European "socialist" regimes, for example.
Poor jezza could hardly bring himself to call out Putin for Salisbury poising, for goodness sake, and criticism of China was deemed racist here and abroad?
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China is absolutely not or has been far left wing. It's very right wing.
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They are so far left they end up further right than facists, but that is communism for you, be it in China, USSR, Cuba.
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Well, it isn’t communism, is it?
It’s generally (and certainly in the case of the USSR and China) people who promised communism and actually delivered authoritarian state capitalism.
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posted on 23/2/22
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 seconds ago
https://www.ft.com/content/0520b466-b21a-4ee8-ba3c-91cbe1b1c6fd
Well, well, well...
IMF suggests Sunak raises taxes on the rich to fight inflation.
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IMF? That well known nest of socialist commie lefties?
posted on 23/2/22
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 24 seconds ago
I'd wager the majority of wars are waged between those with as much in common as Russians and Ukranians.
In fact, I'd go as far to say, across the world we all have far more in common that we have that differs, but some people will always find a reason for a punch up.
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I wonder if that 5% difference is more frustrating than having only 50% in common, perhaps big differences are easier to accept?
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I think Russians and Ukranians have humanity in common and should not kill each other.
And the UK or American troops should not be killing or dying there either.
posted on 23/2/22
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 27 minutes ago
I'd wager the majority of wars are waged between those with as much in common as Russians and Ukranians.
In fact, I'd go as far to say, across the world we all have far more in common that we have that differs, but some people will always find a reason for a punch up.
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True enough, family and neighbour disputes, but as Russian and Ukrainian share do much in common, including land, language, culture and history, it if sad they could not kill each other.
Putin messed up invading in 2014 and he just makes matters worse today, but hopefully ear is averted and he does not take all Ukraine.
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Hopefully.
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👍
posted on 23/2/22
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 seconds ago
https://www.ft.com/content/0520b466-b21a-4ee8-ba3c-91cbe1b1c6fd
Well, well, well...
IMF suggests Sunak raises taxes on the rich to fight inflation.
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IMF? That well known nest of socialist commie lefties?
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Have you not seen the video? It doesn't raise money for governments.
posted on 23/2/22
posted on 23/2/22
Q.
Chatting today wi NI fans who were in Ukraine years ago on a party train, travelling to Donetsk and Kyiv, where they got on great with people in both cities, as they always do on your.
In Donestk, one guy described seeing older guys with Russian army medals and boys in their 40-50's, drunk and unemployed on street corners, harking back to glory days of the old Soviet era.
From the west, Russia and Russians in Ukraine are now seen as public enemy number one, but they have a story and history too, unfortunately being used and abused by Putin.
Some are talking about fighting Russia here and then China, if they move on Taiwan, and we know these posters will not be at the front, but like Blair, Bush, Clinton, will cheer on from the big house.
I am not sure folk know western troops are only their to defend NATO lines and not Ukraine borders, or we would have been in war footing already, killing Russians in Donetsk and coming home in body bags, nevermind not doing anything in 2014.
posted on 23/2/22
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 seconds ago
https://www.ft.com/content/0520b466-b21a-4ee8-ba3c-91cbe1b1c6fd
Well, well, well...
IMF suggests Sunak raises taxes on the rich to fight inflation.
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IMF? That well known nest of socialist commie lefties?
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Those socialist commies are actually right wing, we learned today.👍😉
posted on 23/2/22
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 seconds ago
https://www.ft.com/content/0520b466-b21a-4ee8-ba3c-91cbe1b1c6fd
Well, well, well...
IMF suggests Sunak raises taxes on the rich to fight inflation.
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IMF? That well known nest of socialist commie lefties?
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Those socialist commies are actually right wing, we learned today.👍😉
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The IMF?
Sarcasm is hard to do in text.
posted on 23/2/22
BREAKING: Switzerland defies the Western consensus by refusing to sanction Russia but insists it will not facilitate violations of EU sanctions
Tory Swiss
posted on 23/2/22
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 seconds ago
https://www.ft.com/content/0520b466-b21a-4ee8-ba3c-91cbe1b1c6fd
Well, well, well...
IMF suggests Sunak raises taxes on the rich to fight inflation.
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IMF? That well known nest of socialist commie lefties?
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Those socialist commies are actually right wing, we learned today.👍😉
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The IMF?
Sarcasm is hard to do in text.
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I had it at socialist commies.
posted on 23/2/22
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posted on 23/2/22
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 seconds ago
https://www.ft.com/content/0520b466-b21a-4ee8-ba3c-91cbe1b1c6fd
Well, well, well...
IMF suggests Sunak raises taxes on the rich to fight inflation.
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IMF? That well known nest of socialist commie lefties?
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Have you not seen the video? It doesn't raise money for governments.
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It’s not for the purpose of raising money for the government (as raising taxes on the rich doesn’t achieve that) it’s to limit spending.
Countering the inflation that comes from excess borrowing comes from increasing interest rates and raising taxes.
It’s very, very tough years ahead. Of course people will moan when this all happens but it’s inevitable
posted on 23/2/22
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 seconds ago
https://www.ft.com/content/0520b466-b21a-4ee8-ba3c-91cbe1b1c6fd
Well, well, well...
IMF suggests Sunak raises taxes on the rich to fight inflation.
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IMF? That well known nest of socialist commie lefties?
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Those socialist commies are actually right wing, we learned today.👍😉
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The IMF?
Sarcasm is hard to do in text.
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I had it at socialist commies.
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posted on 23/2/22
From Facebook:
For those who ask: “Why does Ukraine matter? “
This is why Ukraine matters.
It is the second largest country by area in Europe by area and has a population
of over 40 million - more than Poland.
Ukraine ranks:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;
2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);
2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)
Ukraine is an important agricultural country:
1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.
Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.
Ukraine is an important industrialised country:
1st in Europe in ammonia production;
Europe's 2nd’s and the world’s 4th largest natural gas pipeline system;
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in exports of defence industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).
Ukraine matters. That is why its independence is important to the rest of the world.
posted on 23/2/22
Insert - perhaps it would make sense for you to actually specifically spell out:
a) what you want 'The West' to do?
b) what you think is the limit of how far we should go?
c) how you actually think the UK has the capability to do said measures?
posted on 23/2/22
comment by NPE - Puns are for Prats (U22712)
posted 30 seconds ago
Insert - perhaps it would make sense for you to actually specifically spell out:
a) what you want 'The West' to do?
b) what you think is the limit of how far we should go?
c) how you actually think the UK has the capability to do said measures?
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I’ll have a crack at this.
1) Introduce heavy sanctions and if they don’t work then make clear if one Russian troop sets foot in Kyiv then NATO will intervene. Hopefully the threat of that will make Putin step back.
2) Anything up to a non nuclear threat
3) The UK doesn’t alone but as part of a united NATO then yes.
No one wants war. But if Russia are allowed to wipe Ukraine as a sovereign nation off the map that sets a hugely dangerous precedent and it’s very doubtful they’ll stop there.
posted on 23/2/22
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis (U22716)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by NPE - Puns are for Prats (U22712)
posted 30 seconds ago
Insert - perhaps it would make sense for you to actually specifically spell out:
a) what you want 'The West' to do?
b) what you think is the limit of how far we should go?
c) how you actually think the UK has the capability to do said measures?
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I’ll have a crack at this.
1) Introduce heavy sanctions and if they don’t work then make clear if one Russian troop sets foot in Kyiv then NATO will intervene. Hopefully the threat of that will make Putin step back.
2) Anything up to a non nuclear threat
3) The UK doesn’t alone but as part of a united NATO then yes.
No one wants war. But if Russia are allowed to wipe Ukraine as a sovereign nation off the map that sets a hugely dangerous precedent and it’s very doubtful they’ll stop there.
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1) Specify heavy sanctions - as a phrase it is effectively meaningless without a definition of what penalties you'd suggest, how far, and when you'd bring them in. I am not expecting a 10,000 word explanation of foreign policy, but 'heavy sanctions' is a get out.
Second 'NATO will intervene' - so you are prepared to go to war with Russia...a nuclear power....over Ukraine?
2) You go to war with Russia as your first answer suggests then nothing is off the table. You actually also have to believe in the delusion we have the will or capabilities to fight a war against Russia.
3) Ok, you sign up first please, conscription starts with you.
posted on 23/2/22
No one wants war. But if Russia are allowed to wipe Ukraine as a sovereign nation off the map that sets a hugely dangerous precedent and it’s very doubtful they’ll stop there.
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Godwin's Law alert
posted on 23/2/22
'No one wants war. But"
^ This is already a very blase attitude towards war.
Couldn't even keep 2,500 troops in Afghanistan and now the Left on here want us to fight an actual war against Russia.
You lot bored from the pandemic or something
posted on 23/2/22
comment by NPE - Puns are for Prats (U22712)
posted 1 minute ago
No one wants war. But if Russia are allowed to wipe Ukraine as a sovereign nation off the map that sets a hugely dangerous precedent and it’s very doubtful they’ll stop there.
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Godwin's Law alert
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No one mentioned Hitler and that wasn’t what I meant so a bit ironic you brought it up. A kind of Godwin’s law inception
posted on 23/2/22
Specify heavy sanctions - as a phrase it is effectively meaningless without a definition of what penalties you'd suggest, how far, and when you'd bring them in. I am not expecting a 10,000 word explanation of foreign policy, but 'heavy sanctions' is a get out.
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This will explain it better than I can…
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/23/obsession-sanctions-oligarchs-putin-hurt-russian-leader-ukraine
posted on 23/2/22
comment by NPE - Puns are for Prats (U22712)
posted 2 minutes ago
'No one wants war. But"
^ This is already a very blase attitude towards war.
Couldn't even keep 2,500 troops in Afghanistan and now the Left on here want us to fight an actual war against Russia.
You lot bored from the pandemic or something
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‘The left’ 😂
Please don’t be so basic as to make this a left/right thing. For all your many flaws I thought you’d at least try and aim higher.
posted on 23/2/22
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
Specify heavy sanctions - as a phrase it is effectively meaningless without a definition of what penalties you'd suggest, how far, and when you'd bring them in. I am not expecting a 10,000 word explanation of foreign policy, but 'heavy sanctions' is a get out.
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This will explain it better than I can…
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/23/obsession-sanctions-oligarchs-putin-hurt-russian-leader-ukraine
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Ok, so you don't have your own opinion.
posted on 23/2/22
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis (U22716)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by NPE - Puns are for Prats (U22712)
posted 2 minutes ago
'No one wants war. But"
^ This is already a very blase attitude towards war.
Couldn't even keep 2,500 troops in Afghanistan and now the Left on here want us to fight an actual war against Russia.
You lot bored from the pandemic or something
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‘The left’ 😂
Please don’t be so basic as to make this a left/right thing. For all your many flaws I thought you’d at least try and aim higher.
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Clearly is, some progressives who I otherwise have plenty of time for seem to have become very flippant about wars.
posted on 23/2/22
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Russian leader describing Ukraine as a puppet of the west, that was only created by communist Russia, so Vlad is doubling down now, as his forces enter Donetsk and Luhansk to "maintain peace" there.
After the pro-Russian pres of Ukraine was deposed in 2014, for a more pro-western leadership, Russia invaded and that was a mistake, imo, as it made Ukraine look at themselves and their neighbours, even though culturally and linguistically, Ukraine was linked to Russia.
As a USSR KGB man, Putin wants to turn the clock back, and the expansion of NATO from 1997 onwards means Russia is last man standing of the Soviet era.
If Ukraine joins NATO and the EU, Russia has their enemy on its borders on several fronts, so Putin is pushing back....one last hurrah of the motherland, possibly?
With UK and American troops in the new NATO nations, it is doubtful if Truss and co are correct, in forecasting Russian advances into Estonia or Poland, and as Ukraine is not in NATO, no Western boots will march towards Donestk or Luhansk, therefore Putin could in theory annexe the whole South East, where 700 k Russian passports were handed out, among ethnic Russians.
If Russian just claims Donetsk and Luhansk, war may be averted and Moscow appears willing to accept sanctions in doing so.
Depressing and fascinating times we live in.
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Them claiming two MORE regions of Ukraine just isn't acceptable..
Are we going to keep allowing them to do this every few years? When does it stop? Do we do the same with China who are eyeing up Taiwan?
When Germany started this sort of expansion at the start of ww2 should we not have intervened earlier? These are people with a democratic right to self determination. Do we no longer care about such things?
Is Putin right to say Ukraine doesn't have a right to exist?
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Finally for now before work, Russia and China are legacies of far left gone crazy in power, under banner of USSR, or communist party.
At least Labour are now calling them out, rather than being a bit soft of Eastern European "socialist" regimes, for example.
Poor jezza could hardly bring himself to call out Putin for Salisbury poising, for goodness sake, and criticism of China was deemed racist here and abroad?
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China is absolutely not or has been far left wing. It's very right wing.
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They are so far left they end up further right than facists, but that is communism for you, be it in China, USSR, Cuba.
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Well, it isn’t communism, is it?
It’s generally (and certainly in the case of the USSR and China) people who promised communism and actually delivered authoritarian state capitalism.
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