comment by The goat did it (U10408)
posted 43 seconds ago
So tired of the UK getting involved in others conflicts.

Many issues at home and we spend billions on other mess. Time for this little country to get off centre stage.
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You can’t just raise the drawbridge and pretend the rest of the world doesn’t exist.

this war is as much the fault of the USA and it's vassel state Britain as it is Russia

it was the american/british backed coup in ukraine that installed a pro-western government , followed by arming and training them, that has provoked the Russian bear

when will you trouble making anglos ever keep your big noses out of other people's business ?

Putin wants pro-Russian Donbass, like he wanted back Crimea

Other than that he wants to ensure Ukraine never joins NATO

I don't expect an occupation of Ukraine to happen

comment by Robbb Kanchelskis (U22716)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by The goat did it (U10408)
posted 43 seconds ago
So tired of the UK getting involved in others conflicts.

Many issues at home and we spend billions on other mess. Time for this little country to get off centre stage.
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You can’t just raise the drawbridge and pretend the rest of the world doesn’t exist.
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What’s the point in being in NATO if you are not interested in defending the interests of NATO? Are you suggesting the UK withdraw?

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comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 1 minute ago
this war is as much the fault of the USA and it's vassel state Britain as it is Russia

it was the american/british backed coup in ukraine that installed a pro-western government , followed by arming and training them, that has provoked the Russian bear

when will you trouble making anglos ever keep your big noses out of other people's business ?

Putin wants pro-Russian Donbass, like he wanted back Crimea

Other than that he wants to ensure Ukraine never joins NATO

I don't expect an occupation of Ukraine to happen
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Lol just shut up mate

comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 1 minute ago
this war is as much the fault of the USA and it's vassel state Britain as it is Russia

it was the american/british backed coup in ukraine that installed a pro-western government , followed by arming and training them, that has provoked the Russian bear

when will you trouble making anglos ever keep your big noses out of other people's business ?

Putin wants pro-Russian Donbass, like he wanted back Crimea

Other than that he wants to ensure Ukraine never joins NATO

I don't expect an occupation of Ukraine to happen
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When did Putin “have” crimea to want it back?

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comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 24 minutes ago
Wonder if Trump still thinks what Putin's doing is genius?

Wonder if Farage still has Putin as the world leader he most admires?
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The break up of Europe is a positive of Brexit, so Farage is probably loving it

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comment by The goat did it (U10408)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis (U22716)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by The goat did it (U10408)
posted 43 seconds ago
So tired of the UK getting involved in others conflicts.

Many issues at home and we spend billions on other mess. Time for this little country to get off centre stage.
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You can’t just raise the drawbridge and pretend the rest of the world doesn’t exist.
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What’s the point in being in NATO if you are not interested in defending the interests of NATO? Are you suggesting the UK withdraw?
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So NATO is a political entity looking for expansion? Or should it be just a collaborative defense organisation?
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https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/declassified_139339.htm

Do you suggest we sit back and watch Russia invade and occupy Ukraine?

comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 4 minutes ago
this war is as much the fault of the USA and it's vassel state Britain as it is Russia

it was the american/british backed coup in ukraine that installed a pro-western government , followed by arming and training them, that has provoked the Russian bear

when will you trouble making anglos ever keep your big noses out of other people's business ?

Putin wants pro-Russian Donbass, like he wanted back Crimea

Other than that he wants to ensure Ukraine never joins NATO

I don't expect an occupation of Ukraine to happen
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Peks, please stop trying to gaslight us with your stupid pro Russian propaganda. Just the other day you were painting Lukashenko as the good guy in all of this. You are an idiot.

comment by The goat did it (U10408)
posted 1 minute ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts

Let's go here too?
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Many of those in the strategic interest of NATO?

Putin isn't mad , he's planned this for a long time

he's got all his bases covered

built up a huge reserve of gold to fund war,

not bothered about western sanctions, because the west has lost its economic power now....china, his mate, is now were the trading is to be done

this is a geopolitical shift of epic proportions

is this where the west loses its pre-eminence , and the shift of power moves east to china-russia

Some of the naive people on here thinking that Russia stops at Ukraine. Next it’ll be Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland, Poland etc.

comment by Robbb Kanchelskis (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 4 minutes ago
this war is as much the fault of the USA and it's vassel state Britain as it is Russia

it was the american/british backed coup in ukraine that installed a pro-western government , followed by arming and training them, that has provoked the Russian bear

when will you trouble making anglos ever keep your big noses out of other people's business ?

Putin wants pro-Russian Donbass, like he wanted back Crimea

Other than that he wants to ensure Ukraine never joins NATO

I don't expect an occupation of Ukraine to happen
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Peks, please stop trying to gaslight us with your stupid pro Russian propaganda. Just the other day you were painting Lukashenko as the good guy in all of this. You are an idiot.
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i'm not pro-russian

i'm giving a balanced view on what's going on

it's not all putin's fault....and you know that

How much fault is it Putin? Peks suggested that it wad 50:50 Putin and America “this war is as much the fault of the USA and it's vassel state Britain as it is Russia”

Then proceeds with an attempt to be reasonable by stating “it’s not all Putin’s fault”. Now there’s a big space between 100:0 and 50:50. We know peks thinks it’s 50:50. For me it’s 99:1.

comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 47 minutes ago
I find it interesting the references to the Iraq War being supported by “the left”.

A cursory glance at the voting on it shows quite clearly what can be described as at most mixed support among Labour back benches, downright opposition from SNP, Lib Dems, SDLP, and overwhelming support from the conservatives, the DUP and the UUP.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq

Also the equivalence of responding to the request for military support from the independent sovereign country of Ukraine which is currently being invaded, and an invasion and occupation of Iraq under the pretence of WMDs and “war on terror”, is frankly astounding.
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I think NPE is referring to a group of left-wing British journalists at the time and groups like Labour Friends of Iraq.

I don’t think he has said that it was a majority left-wing support or anything.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 47 minutes ago
I find it interesting the references to the Iraq War being supported by “the left”.

A cursory glance at the voting on it shows quite clearly what can be described as at most mixed support among Labour back benches, downright opposition from SNP, Lib Dems, SDLP, and overwhelming support from the conservatives, the DUP and the UUP.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq

Also the equivalence of responding to the request for military support from the independent sovereign country of Ukraine which is currently being invaded, and an invasion and occupation of Iraq under the pretence of WMDs and “war on terror”, is frankly astounding.
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I think NPE is referring to a group of left-wing British journalists at the time and groups like Labour Friends of Iraq.

I don’t think he has said that it was a majority left-wing support or anything.
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Ah didn’t realise it was that particular poster, I saw a thread of comments. I’ll withdraw as I have no interest in engaging with that poster.

comment by Robbb Kanchelskis (U22716)
posted 9 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by NPE - Puns are for Prats (U22712)
posted 2 minutes ago
'No one wants war. But"

^ This is already a very blase attitude towards war.

Couldn't even keep 2,500 troops in Afghanistan and now the Left on here want us to fight an actual war against Russia.

You lot bored from the pandemic or something
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‘The left’ 😂

Please don’t be so basic as to make this a left/right thing. For all your many flaws I thought you’d at least try and aim higher.
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It’s low to make things a left/right thing? Ipso facto you are low too as only a day earlier you said that you don’t have anything against ‘the right per se’.

comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 47 minutes ago
I find it interesting the references to the Iraq War being supported by “the left”.

A cursory glance at the voting on it shows quite clearly what can be described as at most mixed support among Labour back benches, downright opposition from SNP, Lib Dems, SDLP, and overwhelming support from the conservatives, the DUP and the UUP.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq

Also the equivalence of responding to the request for military support from the independent sovereign country of Ukraine which is currently being invaded, and an invasion and occupation of Iraq under the pretence of WMDs and “war on terror”, is frankly astounding.
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I think NPE is referring to a group of left-wing British journalists at the time and groups like Labour Friends of Iraq.

I don’t think he has said that it was a majority left-wing support or anything.
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Ah didn’t realise it was that particular poster, I saw a thread of comments. I’ll withdraw as I have no interest in engaging with that poster.
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Oh 😂 fair enough.

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comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 18 minutes ago
I would add that many ardent left wingers - and I would actually argue the vast majority nowadays - on what would be described as the far left on here, are not interested in an authoritarian, state-controlled, planned-economy communist model.

The world has moved on in the last fifty years, and most on the far left in Europe, certainly, are only talking about ultra-democratic and socially liberal forms of market-based (but capitalist-free) socialism.
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Fair assessment of post-communist Soviet era thinking.outside China and Russia, but would you label both as right wing, whatever that means today.

Antisemites are described as right wing and yet Israel is also described as right wing, so too Blair and Starmer to some, with Brexit labelled right wing, backed by Galloway and some left wing unions, and now Russia and China are described as being right wing, alongside UK and America, so the meaning has lost....meaning.

comment by Robbb Kanchelskis (U22716)
posted 11 minutes ago
Some of the naive people on here thinking that Russia stops at Ukraine. Next it’ll be Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland, Poland etc.
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Do you have proof and links?

What I find more interesting, albeit redundant as we will never know, is what has and is going on in the background. Intelligence, counterintelligence, propaganda, misinformation, posturing the game of chess that is geopolitics. All of this has been going on for 100 years now, imagine what it’s ‘really’ like behind the scenes in 2022.