comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by NPE - Puns are for Prats (U22712)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't consider conflict within Ukraine to be in our interests, and am much more wary of escalation and conflict generally than some on here seem to be.
Considering it was the Left in the UK who provided the moral and intellectual weight for much of Blair's failed adventurism and neoconservatism generally, I have no idea what narrative you mean.
In fact, the left has regularly fed the smear that conservatives who hold isolationist views like me are Kremlin cheerleaders.
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Well done. Now you just need to find a way to tie this back to Corbyn and we have hit the jackpot.
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I can give you Ken Livingstone saying Crimea was never part of Ukraine, from the crazy Corbynista wing of labour, if that helps 👍
Do you want British and American troops fighting Russians in Ukraine today?
I am wary that tensions could escalate on here and people say things they don't mean.
So, I am going to stay off for a while - with the exception of a couple users I have no qualms with any of you.
I will simply repeat my perspective one more time - I don't see this conflict as having anything to do with us. Personally, the idea the UK should be involved in any global power plays about containing China or Russian influence ignores the reality that this is not within our power, and could escalate alarmingly.
I find it interesting the references to the Iraq War being supported by “the left”.
A cursory glance at the voting on it shows quite clearly what can be described as at most mixed support among Labour back benches, downright opposition from SNP, Lib Dems, SDLP, and overwhelming support from the conservatives, the DUP and the UUP.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq
Also the equivalence of responding to the request for military support from the independent sovereign country of Ukraine which is currently being invaded, and an invasion and occupation of Iraq under the pretence of WMDs and “war on terror”, is frankly astounding.
We now see Russia invade Ukraine today, so my question last night, Has Russia invaded Ukraine, has now been clarified.
They had not done so until 3am today, so some spin and propaganda was at play, from both sides, a comrade sizzle alluded to elsewhere.
We were told Russia invaded earlier this week.
Now the question is, do we send western troops to fight Russians in Ukraine or do they simply defend NATO and leave Ukraine to Putin?
Sanctions would not have prevented this, as anyone not scoring party political points knows.
"The government have actively avoided looking for evidence Russia interfered."
The Intelligence & Security Committee's Stewart Hosie says the government didn't investigate alleged Russian interference in the Brexit vote and no-one wanted to touch this "with a ten-foot pole". https://t.co/NkeIhMQ86U
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
I find it interesting the references to the Iraq War being supported by “the left”.
A cursory glance at the voting on it shows quite clearly what can be described as at most mixed support among Labour back benches, downright opposition from SNP, Lib Dems, SDLP, and overwhelming support from the conservatives, the DUP and the UUP.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq
Also the equivalence of responding to the request for military support from the independent sovereign country of Ukraine which is currently being invaded, and an invasion and occupation of Iraq under the pretence of WMDs and “war on terror”, is frankly astounding.
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Morning.
Do you want western troops in Ukraine fighting Russians, or leave Ukraine to it, as is the NATO, Boris and Biden position to date?
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 minutes ago
I find it interesting the references to the Iraq War being supported by “the left”.
A cursory glance at the voting on it shows quite clearly what can be described as at most mixed support among Labour back benches, downright opposition from SNP, Lib Dems, SDLP, and overwhelming support from the conservatives, the DUP and the UUP.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq
Also the equivalence of responding to the request for military support from the independent sovereign country of Ukraine which is currently being invaded, and an invasion and occupation of Iraq under the pretence of WMDs and “war on terror”, is frankly astounding.
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I opposed the Iraq war and western intervention in middle East, Libya, Afghanistan too, and do not want WW3 with our troops in Ukraine fighting Russia.
Do you want our troops in Ukraine fighting Russia?
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
I find it interesting the references to the Iraq War being supported by “the left”.
A cursory glance at the voting on it shows quite clearly what can be described as at most mixed support among Labour back benches, downright opposition from SNP, Lib Dems, SDLP, and overwhelming support from the conservatives, the DUP and the UUP.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq
Also the equivalence of responding to the request for military support from the independent sovereign country of Ukraine which is currently being invaded, and an invasion and occupation of Iraq under the pretence of WMDs and “war on terror”, is frankly astounding.
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Morning.
Do you want western troops in Ukraine fighting Russians, or leave Ukraine to it, as is the NATO, Boris and Biden position to date?
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Good morning.
I think it is in the strategic interests of NATO to have peacekeeping troops on the ground. I think the collective efforts of NATO should be engaging in technical sabotage of Russian military infrastructure. You’ll have heard that there have been similar attacks on the Ukrainian infrastructure.
Do you think that Russia is left wing, either socially, economically or both? I asked the previously but did not see a response from you.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 minutes ago
I find it interesting the references to the Iraq War being supported by “the left”.
A cursory glance at the voting on it shows quite clearly what can be described as at most mixed support among Labour back benches, downright opposition from SNP, Lib Dems, SDLP, and overwhelming support from the conservatives, the DUP and the UUP.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq
Also the equivalence of responding to the request for military support from the independent sovereign country of Ukraine which is currently being invaded, and an invasion and occupation of Iraq under the pretence of WMDs and “war on terror”, is frankly astounding.
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I opposed the Iraq war and western intervention in middle East, Libya, Afghanistan too, and do not want WW3 with our troops in Ukraine fighting Russia.
Do you want our troops in Ukraine fighting Russia?
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Did you continue to vote DUP/UUP after they voted to invade Iraq?
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 21 minutes ago
Rosso.
Do you believe China, USSR and now Russia are "right" wing, whatever that means now?
Did "communism" work anywhere?
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Modern Russia is socially right wing, clearly. Although structurally still technically a mixed economy with a wide welfare state, it has vast wealth inequality and growing poverty, and if it is to be argued that it is leftist economically, those making the argument I think have to explain the hoarding of wealth of those in and around power, and deliberate emaciation of the welfare state. It is not a progressive or redistributive economic model.
I do not see academics or economists anywhere characterising modern Russia as a left wing state.
USSR was never a right wing endeavour or reality. But it never achieved communism. As Lenin feared (no doubt influenced by Marx, who more than 50 years earlier warned), the Bolsheviks ensured of that. I can write reams on this tbab, but I’d suggest you go and read up on how and why the Bolsheviks systematically eliminated any anarcho-communists, anarcho-syndicalists, socio-anarchists, libertarian socialists, etc. who questioned the absolute authority of the party structure or authority after WWI.
The revolution achieved a socialist and then increasingly authoritarian state capitalism, before Stalin pumped the brakes and parked the bus. Workers and their communities were never in ownership or control of the means of production or property.
To your last question, at nation state level, communism has never been achieved, to succeed or fail, anywhere. Endeavours to achieve a communist state have always failed.
There are smaller scale examples of where libertarian socialism or even anarcho-communism/agrarianism has succeeded on a smaller scale, including in Ukraine before the Ukrainian SSR was created.
I would add that many ardent left wingers - and I would actually argue the vast majority nowadays - on what would be described as the far left on here, are not interested in an authoritarian, state-controlled, planned-economy communist model.
The world has moved on in the last fifty years, and most on the far left in Europe, certainly, are only talking about ultra-democratic and socially liberal forms of market-based (but capitalist-free) socialism.
Wonder if Trump still thinks what Putin's doing is genius?
Wonder if Farage still has Putin as the world leader he most admires?
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comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 minutes ago
I find it interesting the references to the Iraq War being supported by “the left”.
A cursory glance at the voting on it shows quite clearly what can be described as at most mixed support among Labour back benches, downright opposition from SNP, Lib Dems, SDLP, and overwhelming support from the conservatives, the DUP and the UUP.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq
Also the equivalence of responding to the request for military support from the independent sovereign country of Ukraine which is currently being invaded, and an invasion and occupation of Iraq under the pretence of WMDs and “war on terror”, is frankly astounding.
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I opposed the Iraq war and western intervention in middle East, Libya, Afghanistan too, and do not want WW3 with our troops in Ukraine fighting Russia.
Do you want our troops in Ukraine fighting Russia?
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Did you continue to vote DUP/UUP after they voted to invade Iraq?
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I was Ulster Independence then mate.
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
I find it interesting the references to the Iraq War being supported by “the left”.
A cursory glance at the voting on it shows quite clearly what can be described as at most mixed support among Labour back benches, downright opposition from SNP, Lib Dems, SDLP, and overwhelming support from the conservatives, the DUP and the UUP.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq
Also the equivalence of responding to the request for military support from the independent sovereign country of Ukraine which is currently being invaded, and an invasion and occupation of Iraq under the pretence of WMDs and “war on terror”, is frankly astounding.
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Morning.
Do you want western troops in Ukraine fighting Russians, or leave Ukraine to it, as is the NATO, Boris and Biden position to date?
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Good morning.
I think it is in the strategic interests of NATO to have peacekeeping troops on the ground. I think the collective efforts of NATO should be engaging in technical sabotage of Russian military infrastructure. You’ll have heard that there have been similar attacks on the Ukrainian infrastructure.
Do you think that Russia is left wing, either socially, economically or both? I asked the previously but did not see a response from you.
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NATO troops in NATO countries or Ukraine?
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Is the big one.
comment by The goat did it (U10408)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
I find it interesting the references to the Iraq War being supported by “the left”.
A cursory glance at the voting on it shows quite clearly what can be described as at most mixed support among Labour back benches, downright opposition from SNP, Lib Dems, SDLP, and overwhelming support from the conservatives, the DUP and the UUP.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq
Also the equivalence of responding to the request for military support from the independent sovereign country of Ukraine which is currently being invaded, and an invasion and occupation of Iraq under the pretence of WMDs and “war on terror”, is frankly astounding.
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Morning.
Do you want western troops in Ukraine fighting Russians, or leave Ukraine to it, as is the NATO, Boris and Biden position to date?
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Good morning.
I think it is in the strategic interests of NATO to have peacekeeping troops on the ground. I think the collective efforts of NATO should be engaging in technical sabotage of Russian military infrastructure. You’ll have heard that there have been similar attacks on the Ukrainian infrastructure.
Do you think that Russia is left wing, either socially, economically or both? I asked the previously but did not see a response from you.
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NATO troops in NATO countries or Ukraine?
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Ukraine at the request of Ukraine.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 minutes ago
I find it interesting the references to the Iraq War being supported by “the left”.
A cursory glance at the voting on it shows quite clearly what can be described as at most mixed support among Labour back benches, downright opposition from SNP, Lib Dems, SDLP, and overwhelming support from the conservatives, the DUP and the UUP.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq
Also the equivalence of responding to the request for military support from the independent sovereign country of Ukraine which is currently being invaded, and an invasion and occupation of Iraq under the pretence of WMDs and “war on terror”, is frankly astounding.
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I opposed the Iraq war and western intervention in middle East, Libya, Afghanistan too, and do not want WW3 with our troops in Ukraine fighting Russia.
Do you want our troops in Ukraine fighting Russia?
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Did you continue to vote DUP/UUP after they voted to invade Iraq?
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I was Ulster Independence then mate.
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My apologies, I was under the impression that you voted DUP.
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comment by The goat did it (U10408)
posted 2 minutes ago
So NATO countries pay billings over decades and as soon as difficulty comes to a none NATO country, they should have it's backing? Nah.
What other wars should NATO get involved in? It's far too messy.
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I did say peacekeeping troops on the ground. Do not fire unless fired upon type thing.
Where there is a strategic interest and where invited is when NATO should get involved IMO.
Putin is probably as justified in invading Ukraine in “self-defence”, as the US and UK were in invading Afghanistan in self-defence.
i.e. Not at all.
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posted on 24/2/22
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by NPE - Puns are for Prats (U22712)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't consider conflict within Ukraine to be in our interests, and am much more wary of escalation and conflict generally than some on here seem to be.
Considering it was the Left in the UK who provided the moral and intellectual weight for much of Blair's failed adventurism and neoconservatism generally, I have no idea what narrative you mean.
In fact, the left has regularly fed the smear that conservatives who hold isolationist views like me are Kremlin cheerleaders.
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Well done. Now you just need to find a way to tie this back to Corbyn and we have hit the jackpot.
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I can give you Ken Livingstone saying Crimea was never part of Ukraine, from the crazy Corbynista wing of labour, if that helps 👍
Do you want British and American troops fighting Russians in Ukraine today?
posted on 24/2/22
I am wary that tensions could escalate on here and people say things they don't mean.
So, I am going to stay off for a while - with the exception of a couple users I have no qualms with any of you.
I will simply repeat my perspective one more time - I don't see this conflict as having anything to do with us. Personally, the idea the UK should be involved in any global power plays about containing China or Russian influence ignores the reality that this is not within our power, and could escalate alarmingly.
posted on 24/2/22
I find it interesting the references to the Iraq War being supported by “the left”.
A cursory glance at the voting on it shows quite clearly what can be described as at most mixed support among Labour back benches, downright opposition from SNP, Lib Dems, SDLP, and overwhelming support from the conservatives, the DUP and the UUP.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq
Also the equivalence of responding to the request for military support from the independent sovereign country of Ukraine which is currently being invaded, and an invasion and occupation of Iraq under the pretence of WMDs and “war on terror”, is frankly astounding.
posted on 24/2/22
We now see Russia invade Ukraine today, so my question last night, Has Russia invaded Ukraine, has now been clarified.
They had not done so until 3am today, so some spin and propaganda was at play, from both sides, a comrade sizzle alluded to elsewhere.
We were told Russia invaded earlier this week.
Now the question is, do we send western troops to fight Russians in Ukraine or do they simply defend NATO and leave Ukraine to Putin?
Sanctions would not have prevented this, as anyone not scoring party political points knows.
posted on 24/2/22
"The government have actively avoided looking for evidence Russia interfered."
The Intelligence & Security Committee's Stewart Hosie says the government didn't investigate alleged Russian interference in the Brexit vote and no-one wanted to touch this "with a ten-foot pole". https://t.co/NkeIhMQ86U
posted on 24/2/22
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
I find it interesting the references to the Iraq War being supported by “the left”.
A cursory glance at the voting on it shows quite clearly what can be described as at most mixed support among Labour back benches, downright opposition from SNP, Lib Dems, SDLP, and overwhelming support from the conservatives, the DUP and the UUP.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq
Also the equivalence of responding to the request for military support from the independent sovereign country of Ukraine which is currently being invaded, and an invasion and occupation of Iraq under the pretence of WMDs and “war on terror”, is frankly astounding.
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Morning.
Do you want western troops in Ukraine fighting Russians, or leave Ukraine to it, as is the NATO, Boris and Biden position to date?
posted on 24/2/22
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 minutes ago
I find it interesting the references to the Iraq War being supported by “the left”.
A cursory glance at the voting on it shows quite clearly what can be described as at most mixed support among Labour back benches, downright opposition from SNP, Lib Dems, SDLP, and overwhelming support from the conservatives, the DUP and the UUP.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq
Also the equivalence of responding to the request for military support from the independent sovereign country of Ukraine which is currently being invaded, and an invasion and occupation of Iraq under the pretence of WMDs and “war on terror”, is frankly astounding.
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I opposed the Iraq war and western intervention in middle East, Libya, Afghanistan too, and do not want WW3 with our troops in Ukraine fighting Russia.
Do you want our troops in Ukraine fighting Russia?
posted on 24/2/22
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
I find it interesting the references to the Iraq War being supported by “the left”.
A cursory glance at the voting on it shows quite clearly what can be described as at most mixed support among Labour back benches, downright opposition from SNP, Lib Dems, SDLP, and overwhelming support from the conservatives, the DUP and the UUP.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq
Also the equivalence of responding to the request for military support from the independent sovereign country of Ukraine which is currently being invaded, and an invasion and occupation of Iraq under the pretence of WMDs and “war on terror”, is frankly astounding.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Morning.
Do you want western troops in Ukraine fighting Russians, or leave Ukraine to it, as is the NATO, Boris and Biden position to date?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good morning.
I think it is in the strategic interests of NATO to have peacekeeping troops on the ground. I think the collective efforts of NATO should be engaging in technical sabotage of Russian military infrastructure. You’ll have heard that there have been similar attacks on the Ukrainian infrastructure.
Do you think that Russia is left wing, either socially, economically or both? I asked the previously but did not see a response from you.
posted on 24/2/22
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 minutes ago
I find it interesting the references to the Iraq War being supported by “the left”.
A cursory glance at the voting on it shows quite clearly what can be described as at most mixed support among Labour back benches, downright opposition from SNP, Lib Dems, SDLP, and overwhelming support from the conservatives, the DUP and the UUP.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq
Also the equivalence of responding to the request for military support from the independent sovereign country of Ukraine which is currently being invaded, and an invasion and occupation of Iraq under the pretence of WMDs and “war on terror”, is frankly astounding.
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I opposed the Iraq war and western intervention in middle East, Libya, Afghanistan too, and do not want WW3 with our troops in Ukraine fighting Russia.
Do you want our troops in Ukraine fighting Russia?
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Did you continue to vote DUP/UUP after they voted to invade Iraq?
posted on 24/2/22
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 21 minutes ago
Rosso.
Do you believe China, USSR and now Russia are "right" wing, whatever that means now?
Did "communism" work anywhere?
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Modern Russia is socially right wing, clearly. Although structurally still technically a mixed economy with a wide welfare state, it has vast wealth inequality and growing poverty, and if it is to be argued that it is leftist economically, those making the argument I think have to explain the hoarding of wealth of those in and around power, and deliberate emaciation of the welfare state. It is not a progressive or redistributive economic model.
I do not see academics or economists anywhere characterising modern Russia as a left wing state.
USSR was never a right wing endeavour or reality. But it never achieved communism. As Lenin feared (no doubt influenced by Marx, who more than 50 years earlier warned), the Bolsheviks ensured of that. I can write reams on this tbab, but I’d suggest you go and read up on how and why the Bolsheviks systematically eliminated any anarcho-communists, anarcho-syndicalists, socio-anarchists, libertarian socialists, etc. who questioned the absolute authority of the party structure or authority after WWI.
The revolution achieved a socialist and then increasingly authoritarian state capitalism, before Stalin pumped the brakes and parked the bus. Workers and their communities were never in ownership or control of the means of production or property.
To your last question, at nation state level, communism has never been achieved, to succeed or fail, anywhere. Endeavours to achieve a communist state have always failed.
There are smaller scale examples of where libertarian socialism or even anarcho-communism/agrarianism has succeeded on a smaller scale, including in Ukraine before the Ukrainian SSR was created.
posted on 24/2/22
I would add that many ardent left wingers - and I would actually argue the vast majority nowadays - on what would be described as the far left on here, are not interested in an authoritarian, state-controlled, planned-economy communist model.
The world has moved on in the last fifty years, and most on the far left in Europe, certainly, are only talking about ultra-democratic and socially liberal forms of market-based (but capitalist-free) socialism.
posted on 24/2/22
Wonder if Trump still thinks what Putin's doing is genius?
Wonder if Farage still has Putin as the world leader he most admires?
posted on 24/2/22
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comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 minutes ago
I find it interesting the references to the Iraq War being supported by “the left”.
A cursory glance at the voting on it shows quite clearly what can be described as at most mixed support among Labour back benches, downright opposition from SNP, Lib Dems, SDLP, and overwhelming support from the conservatives, the DUP and the UUP.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq
Also the equivalence of responding to the request for military support from the independent sovereign country of Ukraine which is currently being invaded, and an invasion and occupation of Iraq under the pretence of WMDs and “war on terror”, is frankly astounding.
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I opposed the Iraq war and western intervention in middle East, Libya, Afghanistan too, and do not want WW3 with our troops in Ukraine fighting Russia.
Do you want our troops in Ukraine fighting Russia?
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Did you continue to vote DUP/UUP after they voted to invade Iraq?
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I was Ulster Independence then mate.
posted on 24/2/22
comment by The goat did it (U10408)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
I find it interesting the references to the Iraq War being supported by “the left”.
A cursory glance at the voting on it shows quite clearly what can be described as at most mixed support among Labour back benches, downright opposition from SNP, Lib Dems, SDLP, and overwhelming support from the conservatives, the DUP and the UUP.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq
Also the equivalence of responding to the request for military support from the independent sovereign country of Ukraine which is currently being invaded, and an invasion and occupation of Iraq under the pretence of WMDs and “war on terror”, is frankly astounding.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Morning.
Do you want western troops in Ukraine fighting Russians, or leave Ukraine to it, as is the NATO, Boris and Biden position to date?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good morning.
I think it is in the strategic interests of NATO to have peacekeeping troops on the ground. I think the collective efforts of NATO should be engaging in technical sabotage of Russian military infrastructure. You’ll have heard that there have been similar attacks on the Ukrainian infrastructure.
Do you think that Russia is left wing, either socially, economically or both? I asked the previously but did not see a response from you.
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NATO troops in NATO countries or Ukraine?
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Is the big one.
posted on 24/2/22
comment by The goat did it (U10408)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
I find it interesting the references to the Iraq War being supported by “the left”.
A cursory glance at the voting on it shows quite clearly what can be described as at most mixed support among Labour back benches, downright opposition from SNP, Lib Dems, SDLP, and overwhelming support from the conservatives, the DUP and the UUP.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq
Also the equivalence of responding to the request for military support from the independent sovereign country of Ukraine which is currently being invaded, and an invasion and occupation of Iraq under the pretence of WMDs and “war on terror”, is frankly astounding.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Morning.
Do you want western troops in Ukraine fighting Russians, or leave Ukraine to it, as is the NATO, Boris and Biden position to date?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good morning.
I think it is in the strategic interests of NATO to have peacekeeping troops on the ground. I think the collective efforts of NATO should be engaging in technical sabotage of Russian military infrastructure. You’ll have heard that there have been similar attacks on the Ukrainian infrastructure.
Do you think that Russia is left wing, either socially, economically or both? I asked the previously but did not see a response from you.
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NATO troops in NATO countries or Ukraine?
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Ukraine at the request of Ukraine.
posted on 24/2/22
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 minutes ago
I find it interesting the references to the Iraq War being supported by “the left”.
A cursory glance at the voting on it shows quite clearly what can be described as at most mixed support among Labour back benches, downright opposition from SNP, Lib Dems, SDLP, and overwhelming support from the conservatives, the DUP and the UUP.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq
Also the equivalence of responding to the request for military support from the independent sovereign country of Ukraine which is currently being invaded, and an invasion and occupation of Iraq under the pretence of WMDs and “war on terror”, is frankly astounding.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I opposed the Iraq war and western intervention in middle East, Libya, Afghanistan too, and do not want WW3 with our troops in Ukraine fighting Russia.
Do you want our troops in Ukraine fighting Russia?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Did you continue to vote DUP/UUP after they voted to invade Iraq?
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I was Ulster Independence then mate.
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My apologies, I was under the impression that you voted DUP.
posted on 24/2/22
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posted on 24/2/22
comment by The goat did it (U10408)
posted 2 minutes ago
So NATO countries pay billings over decades and as soon as difficulty comes to a none NATO country, they should have it's backing? Nah.
What other wars should NATO get involved in? It's far too messy.
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I did say peacekeeping troops on the ground. Do not fire unless fired upon type thing.
Where there is a strategic interest and where invited is when NATO should get involved IMO.
posted on 24/2/22
Putin is probably as justified in invading Ukraine in “self-defence”, as the US and UK were in invading Afghanistan in self-defence.
i.e. Not at all.
posted on 24/2/22
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