Nice dig at Corbyn by Nadim in his resignation statement

So he's staying until Autumn when he can't even fill cabinet positions and nothing will get done until he's replaced.

The next 3/4 months are about to get even worse I suspect.

Bet Hancocks getting ready to lick some ass

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So he's staying until Autumn when he can't even fill cabinet positions and nothing will get done until he's replaced.

The next 3/4 months are about to get even worse I suspect.
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He wants to last longer than May

Is Boris going to cry crocodile tears like May did when he makes his statement later?

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General election in November I cannot wait
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Will be next year
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Why will it be any sooner than 2024?
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New PM will not want to wait too long to get a mandate from an election
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What mandate?

For the 1,000th time, the only mandates a PM needs are from her or his MPs and the Queen.

Once the public has voted for their local representatives, they have nothing to do with it.

Who cares.... the important thing is he's going!

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General election in November I cannot wait
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Will be next year
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Why will it be any sooner than 2024?
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New PM will not want to wait too long to get a mandate from an election
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What mandate?

For the 1,000th time, the only mandates a PM needs are from her or his MPs and the Queen.

Once the public has voted for their local representatives, they have nothing to do with it.
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I know that but in the eyes of the public, he will want a mandate.

They don't need a mandate buy they will want to be seen to have one.

If Johnson doesn't stay on until October, would it be Raab who has to act as acting PM?

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If Johnson doesn't stay on until October, would it be Raab who has to act as acting PM?
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I think so

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If Johnson doesn't stay on until October, would it be Raab who has to act as acting PM?
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Probably yeah

In a parliamentary democracy, the public has absolutely no right whatsoever to choose a prime minister.

That’s fundamental to the system. It’s literally designed that way.

Frying pan, fire

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In a parliamentary democracy, the public has absolutely no right whatsoever to choose a prime minister.

That’s fundamental to the system. It’s literally designed that way.
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Again that's well established.

The new PM will still start an election within a year. Same as May did in 2017

Want an election that's meant to say

May didn't call an election out of obligation or to get a mandate. She called it because parliament was gridlocked and she thought she would win.

Or at least not a mandate in the sense that you're talking about - as in a mandate to lead.

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Frying pan, fire
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Yes, this.

People assuming that with this group of Tory MPs to try to satisfy, any given replacement is going to be able to a) unite the Party, b) deliver an improved Brexit deal, c) bring the Union back together, or d) substantially improve the UK’s economic outlook are in for a shock.

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May didn't call an election out of obligation or to get a mandate. She called it because parliament was gridlocked and she thought she would win.
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Maybe you're right but I can still see an election next year personally. I guess it depends on how they are doing. If they are riding high in the polls then it makes sense to call one

The Tories have, and retain, a mandate to form a government, handed to them by the public.

The new PM will have a mandate to lead the government, handed to them by fellow Tory MPs.

Those are the only mandates in that exist, and that are in question.

Any talk of any other mandate is drivel.

Very few, if any, of Johnson's cabinet have shown any competency whatsoever. Most were inept sychophants who toadied up to Johnson and had their backbone surgically removed.

For the sake of the countries, the next leader needs to come from the backbenches otherwise the next few years will continue to be painful.

Although obviously from a Scottish independence perspective that would have a silver lining, but I still don't particularly want to see our communities across the UK continue to suffer as they have.

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May didn't call an election out of obligation or to get a mandate. She called it because parliament was gridlocked and she thought she would win.
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Maybe you're right but I can still see an election next year personally. I guess it depends on how they are doing. If they are riding high in the polls then it makes sense to call one
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I think Labour will put a lot of pressure on the new man or woman to call an election and probably make the same argument that you have. I think that'll be an effective target and they'll want to paint the new leader as weak and cowardly for not calling an election.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get one at some point over the next 12-18 months but I suspect they'd get hammered if they called one immediately, so I wouldn't necessarily expect one any time soon.

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May didn't call an election out of obligation or to get a mandate. She called it because parliament was gridlocked and she thought she would win.
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Maybe you're right but I can still see an election next year personally. I guess it depends on how they are doing. If they are riding high in the polls then it makes sense to call one
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I think Labour will put a lot of pressure on the new man or woman to call an election and probably make the same argument that you have. I think that'll be an effective target and they'll want to paint the new leader as weak and cowardly for not calling an election.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get one at some point over the next 12-18 months but I suspect they'd get hammered if they called one immediately, so I wouldn't necessarily expect one any time soon.
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Next autumn I'm going but yes Labour will be asking for one

There are actually only three ways an election might be called early that I can see:

1. The new govt collapses (eminently possible given the state of the Conservative Party and fundamental ideological divides between their MPs)

2. They ride high enough in the polls some time in 2023 to guarantee a majority (practical impossibility)

3. The new cabinet agrees that the Tories are in such deep shiiiiit given what has been and what is to come that they need to tear up the manifesto and offer a new fundamentally different policy package, including a change in approach on Brexit and economic interventions (won’t happen)

It's worth remembering while we're talking about mandates etc that at one point we had the fixed terms parliament Act, which enshrined in law that elections could only happen every five years, regardless of changes in leader. That was around a decade ago that it was passed, although it was obviously short-lived.