Former Conservative MP Mark Logan has said he is backing Labour at the next general election, saying the party could "bring back optimism into British life".
In an exclusive interview with BBC News, Mr Logan, who represented Bolton North East for the Tories until Parliament dissolved on Thursday, said Labour had been on a "journey" and now offered "centrist politics".
He added that the Tory Party was now "unrecognisable" from the party he joined a decade ago.
Mr Logan won his seat with a majority of just 378 in 2019, making it one of the most marginal in the country.
Mr Logan, who supported Brexit, revealed in the interview that he was standing down and said his application to join Labour was "going in today".
Labour has already chosen a candidate for his former constituency.
Asked if he could run for Labour in the future, he said: "I wouldn't rule out coming back into public life in the future but this is me definitely stepping down in this Parliament.”
A Conservative Party spokesman said: "Much of the association wanted him deselected for inactivity and his failure to be present in Bolton for extended periods of time. And he's been asking No 10 for a peerage."
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posted 24 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 minutes ago
Why will there be more?
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Because the unions will expect Starmer to be more sympathetic to their demands and when they discover that things under his Labour are no better than the Tories the disappointment and anger will be heightened.
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I imagine there will be more strikes.
But it's due to 14 years of economic mismanagement, 40 years of stagnant wages at the bottom, 3 years of high inflation and because employment laws and protections have been systematically undermined.
Starmer can get fecked by the way, I'm ashamed I voted for him in the leadership election (Corbyn faction should never have put RLB forward...)
He will win by virtue of timing and how shiiiit the Tories have been, he won't deserve it, he's shifted far enough to the right to ensure Tories are comfortable with him, and he will stay in power until we are ready to shift back. He's the same, it's just that the crushing oppression of the working class will happen slower under his watch, so it will feel nicer.
Fack Rachel reeves and her fiscal anchor too, I'm voting Green
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Ha, I did that last election
How you doing
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posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
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posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
The Labour left have been the Tory party's greatest asset the last few years. They are ramping it up now there is an election on.
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Maybe but they are the real voice of the Labour party and the people it was created to serve.
If Starmer wins he's just a plastic Tory who's won by default.
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"default"
Bumsniff Tories let their betters run this country into the absolute mire without a peep from you.
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Yeah but he's really got the 'real voice of Labour' in mind and isn't being a disingenuous knobhead.
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posted 22 minutes ago
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posted 24 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 minutes ago
Why will there be more?
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Because the unions will expect Starmer to be more sympathetic to their demands and when they discover that things under his Labour are no better than the Tories the disappointment and anger will be heightened.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I imagine there will be more strikes.
But it's due to 14 years of economic mismanagement, 40 years of stagnant wages at the bottom, 3 years of high inflation and because employment laws and protections have been systematically undermined.
Starmer can get fecked by the way, I'm ashamed I voted for him in the leadership election (Corbyn faction should never have put RLB forward...)
He will win by virtue of timing and how shiiiit the Tories have been, he won't deserve it, he's shifted far enough to the right to ensure Tories are comfortable with him, and he will stay in power until we are ready to shift back. He's the same, it's just that the crushing oppression of the working class will happen slower under his watch, so it will feel nicer.
Fack Rachel reeves and her fiscal anchor too, I'm voting Green
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Long time, me old mucker. Hope all is well with you and the family.
Starmer shifted to the right
We really have jumped the shark when it comes to politics
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posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 minutes ago
Why will there be more?
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Because the unions will expect Starmer to be more sympathetic to their demands and when they discover that things under his Labour are no better than the Tories the disappointment and anger will be heightened.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I imagine there will be more strikes.
But it's due to 14 years of economic mismanagement, 40 years of stagnant wages at the bottom, 3 years of high inflation and because employment laws and protections have been systematically undermined.
Starmer can get fecked by the way, I'm ashamed I voted for him in the leadership election (Corbyn faction should never have put RLB forward...)
He will win by virtue of timing and how shiiiit the Tories have been, he won't deserve it, he's shifted far enough to the right to ensure Tories are comfortable with him, and he will stay in power until we are ready to shift back. He's the same, it's just that the crushing oppression of the working class will happen slower under his watch, so it will feel nicer.
Fack Rachel reeves and her fiscal anchor too, I'm voting Green
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Ha, I did that last election
How you doing
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Good mate, just enjoying time with the baby at the moment, he's 4 and a half months old and it's been a brilliant experience
How are you? Still fostering?
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posted 24 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 minutes ago
Why will there be more?
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Because the unions will expect Starmer to be more sympathetic to their demands and when they discover that things under his Labour are no better than the Tories the disappointment and anger will be heightened.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I imagine there will be more strikes.
But it's due to 14 years of economic mismanagement, 40 years of stagnant wages at the bottom, 3 years of high inflation and because employment laws and protections have been systematically undermined.
Starmer can get fecked by the way, I'm ashamed I voted for him in the leadership election (Corbyn faction should never have put RLB forward...)
He will win by virtue of timing and how shiiiit the Tories have been, he won't deserve it, he's shifted far enough to the right to ensure Tories are comfortable with him, and he will stay in power until we are ready to shift back. He's the same, it's just that the crushing oppression of the working class will happen slower under his watch, so it will feel nicer.
Fack Rachel reeves and her fiscal anchor too, I'm voting Green
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Insert
Long time, me old mucker. Hope all is well with you and the family.
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All is amazing mate thank you, welcomed our baby on the 14th Jan and it's been amazing since!
How is Portugal treating you?
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posted 3 minutes ago
Starmer shifted to the right
We really have jumped the shark when it comes to politics
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Dudes watering down his employee pledges thanks to business lobbying, he's purged the left, wants to put a law in place to prevent future governments borrowing to spend akin to the ww2 economic recovery
Rowed back on renationalisation and green expenditure. He's moved right far enough to tempt Tories.
There's right-wingers I know who previously voted Tory who are happy about Starmer winning. That speaks volumes to me 🤷🏼♂️
It's undeniable that Starmer is shifting the party into the "UK centrist party that represents most voters"
But when we say "more strikes" do we mean there will still be strikes or that there will be a larger number of strikes post the election than from 2020 to date?
Hey Insert
How you doing pal? All good in the hood?
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posted 14 minutes ago
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posted 24 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 minutes ago
Why will there be more?
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Because the unions will expect Starmer to be more sympathetic to their demands and when they discover that things under his Labour are no better than the Tories the disappointment and anger will be heightened.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I imagine there will be more strikes.
But it's due to 14 years of economic mismanagement, 40 years of stagnant wages at the bottom, 3 years of high inflation and because employment laws and protections have been systematically undermined.
Starmer can get fecked by the way, I'm ashamed I voted for him in the leadership election (Corbyn faction should never have put RLB forward...)
He will win by virtue of timing and how shiiiit the Tories have been, he won't deserve it, he's shifted far enough to the right to ensure Tories are comfortable with him, and he will stay in power until we are ready to shift back. He's the same, it's just that the crushing oppression of the working class will happen slower under his watch, so it will feel nicer.
Fack Rachel reeves and her fiscal anchor too, I'm voting Green
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Ha, I did that last election
How you doing
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Good mate, just enjoying time with the baby at the moment, he's 4 and a half months old and it's been a brilliant experience
How are you? Still fostering?
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Yoyoyo congrats mate. Lovely stuff, enjoy.
Got a new kid about 3 and a half months, going very well.
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
Starmer shifted to the right
We really have jumped the shark when it comes to politics
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Dudes watering down his employee pledges thanks to business lobbying, he's purged the left, wants to put a law in place to prevent future governments borrowing to spend akin to the ww2 economic recovery
Rowed back on renationalisation and green expenditure. He's moved right far enough to tempt Tories.
There's right-wingers I know who previously voted Tory who are happy about Starmer winning. That speaks volumes to me 🤷🏼♂️
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He's a centrist. He's got to appeal to those who outnumber us and whose vote holds more weight at the ballot box. He's got to appeal to the home counties Daily Mail lot as much as you and me or he's never getting elected. Labour had to do similar, in cosying up to Murdoch, in 97 to get elected.
What do those criticising him want from him? Expecting a hard shift from what has been far right, dressed up as RW typical Tory, to far left isn't going to.happen and would only further forment the chasm that divides the two IMO. Undoing the various amounts and types of shiite is going to take time and be a case of picking your battles carefully to start with.
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 11 minutes ago
It's undeniable that Starmer is shifting the party into the "UK centrist party that represents most voters"
But when we say "more strikes" do we mean there will still be strikes or that there will be a larger number of strikes post the election than from 2020 to date?
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I disagree he's moving to represent most voters, I think he realised the most expedient way to win was to court voters away from the Tories.
He's not centrist in the traditional terms, just from our overton window of politics which is horrifically right wing (from a left wing perspective)
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Hey Insert
How you doing pal? All good in the hood?
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Really good Satters, how are things?
Ok
I think he's trying to win back the voters that Corbyn lost and most importantly not spook the Tory base to mobilise them to vote
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posted 12 minutes ago
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posted 36 minutes ago
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posted 14 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 minutes ago
Why will there be more?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because the unions will expect Starmer to be more sympathetic to their demands and when they discover that things under his Labour are no better than the Tories the disappointment and anger will be heightened.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I imagine there will be more strikes.
But it's due to 14 years of economic mismanagement, 40 years of stagnant wages at the bottom, 3 years of high inflation and because employment laws and protections have been systematically undermined.
Starmer can get fecked by the way, I'm ashamed I voted for him in the leadership election (Corbyn faction should never have put RLB forward...)
He will win by virtue of timing and how shiiiit the Tories have been, he won't deserve it, he's shifted far enough to the right to ensure Tories are comfortable with him, and he will stay in power until we are ready to shift back. He's the same, it's just that the crushing oppression of the working class will happen slower under his watch, so it will feel nicer.
Fack Rachel reeves and her fiscal anchor too, I'm voting Green
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Ha, I did that last election
How you doing
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Good mate, just enjoying time with the baby at the moment, he's 4 and a half months old and it's been a brilliant experience
How are you? Still fostering?
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Yoyoyo congrats mate. Lovely stuff, enjoy.
Got a new kid about 3 and a half months, going very well.
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Ah that's great, amazing work you do
Nice age too, I've loved the last month with my boy, changes every week (although I know I'm saying that to a very seasoned hand )
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posted less than a minute ago
Ok
I think he's trying to win back the voters that Corbyn lost and most importantly not spook the Tory base to mobilise them to vote
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And he's lost the voters that Corbyn gained, membership has plummeted, he's alienated and taken away the power of the CLPs, has barred good candidates in favour of more of his blairite pals.
Why you think he won't do the same at a national level is beyond me, broken promises, reducing democracy within the party. Labour is meant to be a broad church, Corbyn never barred the right wingers, even after two attempted coups
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posted 12 minutes ago
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posted 36 minutes ago
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posted 14 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 minutes ago
Why will there be more?
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Because the unions will expect Starmer to be more sympathetic to their demands and when they discover that things under his Labour are no better than the Tories the disappointment and anger will be heightened.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I imagine there will be more strikes.
But it's due to 14 years of economic mismanagement, 40 years of stagnant wages at the bottom, 3 years of high inflation and because employment laws and protections have been systematically undermined.
Starmer can get fecked by the way, I'm ashamed I voted for him in the leadership election (Corbyn faction should never have put RLB forward...)
He will win by virtue of timing and how shiiiit the Tories have been, he won't deserve it, he's shifted far enough to the right to ensure Tories are comfortable with him, and he will stay in power until we are ready to shift back. He's the same, it's just that the crushing oppression of the working class will happen slower under his watch, so it will feel nicer.
Fack Rachel reeves and her fiscal anchor too, I'm voting Green
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Ha, I did that last election
How you doing
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Good mate, just enjoying time with the baby at the moment, he's 4 and a half months old and it's been a brilliant experience
How are you? Still fostering?
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Yoyoyo congrats mate. Lovely stuff, enjoy.
Got a new kid about 3 and a half months, going very well.
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Ah that's great, amazing work you do
Nice age too, I've loved the last month with my boy, changes every week (although I know I'm saying that to a very seasoned hand)
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Wait till he gets mobile but yes you’re right it’s a really nice age.
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posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 minutes ago
Why will there be more?
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Because the unions will expect Starmer to be more sympathetic to their demands and when they discover that things under his Labour are no better than the Tories the disappointment and anger will be heightened.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I imagine there will be more strikes.
But it's due to 14 years of economic mismanagement, 40 years of stagnant wages at the bottom, 3 years of high inflation and because employment laws and protections have been systematically undermined.
Starmer can get fecked by the way, I'm ashamed I voted for him in the leadership election (Corbyn faction should never have put RLB forward...)
He will win by virtue of timing and how shiiiit the Tories have been, he won't deserve it, he's shifted far enough to the right to ensure Tories are comfortable with him, and he will stay in power until we are ready to shift back. He's the same, it's just that the crushing oppression of the working class will happen slower under his watch, so it will feel nicer.
Fack Rachel reeves and her fiscal anchor too, I'm voting Green
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I was just thinking where the hell you’ve got to man
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posted less than a minute ago
Ok
I think he's trying to win back the voters that Corbyn lost and most importantly not spook the Tory base to mobilise them to vote
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And he's lost the voters that Corbyn gained, membership has plummeted, he's alienated and taken away the power of the CLPs, has barred good candidates in favour of more of his blairite pals.
Why you think he won't do the same at a national level is beyond me, broken promises, reducing democracy within the party. Labour is meant to be a broad church, Corbyn never barred the right wingers, even after two attempted coups
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Corbyn deselected just like every leader has done and will do
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45621354
How on earth would someone like Claudia Webbe ever get selected without leadership input
And membership highs under Corbyn aren't the boon you're saying it is
Let's be honest, votes are what's most important
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Hey Insert
How you doing pal? All good in the hood?
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Really good Satters, how are things?
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Same same bro. Work work work, the odd argument in here
Can’t believe your kid is already 4 months old….
BMCL has probably had his third already with the first graduating next year….
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posted 18 minutes ago
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posted 8 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted less than a minute ago
Ok
I think he's trying to win back the voters that Corbyn lost and most importantly not spook the Tory base to mobilise them to vote
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And he's lost the voters that Corbyn gained, membership has plummeted, he's alienated and taken away the power of the CLPs, has barred good candidates in favour of more of his blairite pals.
Why you think he won't do the same at a national level is beyond me, broken promises, reducing democracy within the party. Labour is meant to be a broad church, Corbyn never barred the right wingers, even after two attempted coups
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Corbyn deselected just like every leader has done and will do
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45621354
How on earth would someone like Claudia Webbe ever get selected without leadership input
And membership highs under Corbyn aren't the boon you're saying it is
Let's be honest, votes are what's most important
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Did you read your own article?
Corbyn changed the rules so Constituency parties could reselect their MP prior to an election, nothing to do with him, everything to do with empowering the party (and hence it grew)
Starmers office is doing the exact opposite, if you don't see that's a problem then fair enough, for me its anti-democratic and duplicitous.
Just look at the three bans in the last 24 hours. It's shady as fack, remember when we were saying Boris has always been a liar and it's no surprise he was as PM? It's the same
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comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 minutes ago
Why will there be more?
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Because the unions will expect Starmer to be more sympathetic to their demands and when they discover that things under his Labour are no better than the Tories the disappointment and anger will be heightened.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I imagine there will be more strikes.
But it's due to 14 years of economic mismanagement, 40 years of stagnant wages at the bottom, 3 years of high inflation and because employment laws and protections have been systematically undermined.
Starmer can get fecked by the way, I'm ashamed I voted for him in the leadership election (Corbyn faction should never have put RLB forward...)
He will win by virtue of timing and how shiiiit the Tories have been, he won't deserve it, he's shifted far enough to the right to ensure Tories are comfortable with him, and he will stay in power until we are ready to shift back. He's the same, it's just that the crushing oppression of the working class will happen slower under his watch, so it will feel nicer.
Fack Rachel reeves and her fiscal anchor too, I'm voting Green
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Ha, I did that last election
How you doing
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Good mate, just enjoying time with the baby at the moment, he's 4 and a half months old and it's been a brilliant experience
How are you? Still fostering?
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Yoyoyo congrats mate. Lovely stuff, enjoy.
Got a new kid about 3 and a half months, going very well.
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Ah that's great, amazing work you do
Nice age too, I've loved the last month with my boy, changes every week (although I know I'm saying that to a very seasoned hand)
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Wait till he gets mobilebut yes you’re right it’s a really nice age.
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Can't wait, it's getting more fun as he goes tbh, always loved the playing with my 9 nieces and nephews, the baby stage was great and all, but now I can make him giggle and laugh i find it much more fun engaging with him
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Hey Insert
How you doing pal? All good in the hood?
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Really good Satters, how are things?
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Same same bro. Work work work, the odd argument in here
Can’t believe your kid is already 4 months old….
BMCL has probably had his third already with the first graduating next year….
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Yeah 4 months has flown by.. I've saved so much time not arguing in here 🤣
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Hey Insert
How you doing pal? All good in the hood?
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Really good Satters, how are things?
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Same same bro. Work work work, the odd argument in here
Can’t believe your kid is already 4 months old….
BMCL has probably had his third already with the first graduating next year….
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Yeah 4 months has flown by.. I've saved so much time not arguing in here 🤣
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posted on 30/5/24
Former Conservative MP Mark Logan has said he is backing Labour at the next general election, saying the party could "bring back optimism into British life".
In an exclusive interview with BBC News, Mr Logan, who represented Bolton North East for the Tories until Parliament dissolved on Thursday, said Labour had been on a "journey" and now offered "centrist politics".
He added that the Tory Party was now "unrecognisable" from the party he joined a decade ago.
Mr Logan won his seat with a majority of just 378 in 2019, making it one of the most marginal in the country.
Mr Logan, who supported Brexit, revealed in the interview that he was standing down and said his application to join Labour was "going in today".
Labour has already chosen a candidate for his former constituency.
Asked if he could run for Labour in the future, he said: "I wouldn't rule out coming back into public life in the future but this is me definitely stepping down in this Parliament.”
A Conservative Party spokesman said: "Much of the association wanted him deselected for inactivity and his failure to be present in Bolton for extended periods of time. And he's been asking No 10 for a peerage."
posted on 30/5/24
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 minutes ago
Why will there be more?
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Because the unions will expect Starmer to be more sympathetic to their demands and when they discover that things under his Labour are no better than the Tories the disappointment and anger will be heightened.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I imagine there will be more strikes.
But it's due to 14 years of economic mismanagement, 40 years of stagnant wages at the bottom, 3 years of high inflation and because employment laws and protections have been systematically undermined.
Starmer can get fecked by the way, I'm ashamed I voted for him in the leadership election (Corbyn faction should never have put RLB forward...)
He will win by virtue of timing and how shiiiit the Tories have been, he won't deserve it, he's shifted far enough to the right to ensure Tories are comfortable with him, and he will stay in power until we are ready to shift back. He's the same, it's just that the crushing oppression of the working class will happen slower under his watch, so it will feel nicer.
Fack Rachel reeves and her fiscal anchor too, I'm voting Green
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Ha, I did that last election
How you doing
posted on 30/5/24
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
The Labour left have been the Tory party's greatest asset the last few years. They are ramping it up now there is an election on.
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Maybe but they are the real voice of the Labour party and the people it was created to serve.
If Starmer wins he's just a plastic Tory who's won by default.
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"default"
Bumsniff Tories let their betters run this country into the absolute mire without a peep from you.
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Yeah but he's really got the 'real voice of Labour' in mind and isn't being a disingenuous knobhead.
posted on 30/5/24
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 minutes ago
Why will there be more?
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Because the unions will expect Starmer to be more sympathetic to their demands and when they discover that things under his Labour are no better than the Tories the disappointment and anger will be heightened.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I imagine there will be more strikes.
But it's due to 14 years of economic mismanagement, 40 years of stagnant wages at the bottom, 3 years of high inflation and because employment laws and protections have been systematically undermined.
Starmer can get fecked by the way, I'm ashamed I voted for him in the leadership election (Corbyn faction should never have put RLB forward...)
He will win by virtue of timing and how shiiiit the Tories have been, he won't deserve it, he's shifted far enough to the right to ensure Tories are comfortable with him, and he will stay in power until we are ready to shift back. He's the same, it's just that the crushing oppression of the working class will happen slower under his watch, so it will feel nicer.
Fack Rachel reeves and her fiscal anchor too, I'm voting Green
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Long time, me old mucker. Hope all is well with you and the family.
posted on 30/5/24
Starmer shifted to the right
We really have jumped the shark when it comes to politics
posted on 30/5/24
comment by Gaffer Pranky (U22336)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 minutes ago
Why will there be more?
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Because the unions will expect Starmer to be more sympathetic to their demands and when they discover that things under his Labour are no better than the Tories the disappointment and anger will be heightened.
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I imagine there will be more strikes.
But it's due to 14 years of economic mismanagement, 40 years of stagnant wages at the bottom, 3 years of high inflation and because employment laws and protections have been systematically undermined.
Starmer can get fecked by the way, I'm ashamed I voted for him in the leadership election (Corbyn faction should never have put RLB forward...)
He will win by virtue of timing and how shiiiit the Tories have been, he won't deserve it, he's shifted far enough to the right to ensure Tories are comfortable with him, and he will stay in power until we are ready to shift back. He's the same, it's just that the crushing oppression of the working class will happen slower under his watch, so it will feel nicer.
Fack Rachel reeves and her fiscal anchor too, I'm voting Green
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Ha, I did that last election
How you doing
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Good mate, just enjoying time with the baby at the moment, he's 4 and a half months old and it's been a brilliant experience
How are you? Still fostering?
posted on 30/5/24
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comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 minutes ago
Why will there be more?
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Because the unions will expect Starmer to be more sympathetic to their demands and when they discover that things under his Labour are no better than the Tories the disappointment and anger will be heightened.
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I imagine there will be more strikes.
But it's due to 14 years of economic mismanagement, 40 years of stagnant wages at the bottom, 3 years of high inflation and because employment laws and protections have been systematically undermined.
Starmer can get fecked by the way, I'm ashamed I voted for him in the leadership election (Corbyn faction should never have put RLB forward...)
He will win by virtue of timing and how shiiiit the Tories have been, he won't deserve it, he's shifted far enough to the right to ensure Tories are comfortable with him, and he will stay in power until we are ready to shift back. He's the same, it's just that the crushing oppression of the working class will happen slower under his watch, so it will feel nicer.
Fack Rachel reeves and her fiscal anchor too, I'm voting Green
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Long time, me old mucker. Hope all is well with you and the family.
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All is amazing mate thank you, welcomed our baby on the 14th Jan and it's been amazing since!
How is Portugal treating you?
posted on 30/5/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
Starmer shifted to the right
We really have jumped the shark when it comes to politics
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Dudes watering down his employee pledges thanks to business lobbying, he's purged the left, wants to put a law in place to prevent future governments borrowing to spend akin to the ww2 economic recovery
Rowed back on renationalisation and green expenditure. He's moved right far enough to tempt Tories.
There's right-wingers I know who previously voted Tory who are happy about Starmer winning. That speaks volumes to me 🤷🏼♂️
posted on 30/5/24
It's undeniable that Starmer is shifting the party into the "UK centrist party that represents most voters"
But when we say "more strikes" do we mean there will still be strikes or that there will be a larger number of strikes post the election than from 2020 to date?
posted on 30/5/24
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How you doing pal? All good in the hood?
posted on 30/5/24
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posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 minutes ago
Why will there be more?
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Because the unions will expect Starmer to be more sympathetic to their demands and when they discover that things under his Labour are no better than the Tories the disappointment and anger will be heightened.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I imagine there will be more strikes.
But it's due to 14 years of economic mismanagement, 40 years of stagnant wages at the bottom, 3 years of high inflation and because employment laws and protections have been systematically undermined.
Starmer can get fecked by the way, I'm ashamed I voted for him in the leadership election (Corbyn faction should never have put RLB forward...)
He will win by virtue of timing and how shiiiit the Tories have been, he won't deserve it, he's shifted far enough to the right to ensure Tories are comfortable with him, and he will stay in power until we are ready to shift back. He's the same, it's just that the crushing oppression of the working class will happen slower under his watch, so it will feel nicer.
Fack Rachel reeves and her fiscal anchor too, I'm voting Green
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Ha, I did that last election
How you doing
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Good mate, just enjoying time with the baby at the moment, he's 4 and a half months old and it's been a brilliant experience
How are you? Still fostering?
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Yoyoyo congrats mate. Lovely stuff, enjoy.
Got a new kid about 3 and a half months, going very well.
posted on 30/5/24
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
Starmer shifted to the right
We really have jumped the shark when it comes to politics
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Dudes watering down his employee pledges thanks to business lobbying, he's purged the left, wants to put a law in place to prevent future governments borrowing to spend akin to the ww2 economic recovery
Rowed back on renationalisation and green expenditure. He's moved right far enough to tempt Tories.
There's right-wingers I know who previously voted Tory who are happy about Starmer winning. That speaks volumes to me 🤷🏼♂️
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He's a centrist. He's got to appeal to those who outnumber us and whose vote holds more weight at the ballot box. He's got to appeal to the home counties Daily Mail lot as much as you and me or he's never getting elected. Labour had to do similar, in cosying up to Murdoch, in 97 to get elected.
What do those criticising him want from him? Expecting a hard shift from what has been far right, dressed up as RW typical Tory, to far left isn't going to.happen and would only further forment the chasm that divides the two IMO. Undoing the various amounts and types of shiite is going to take time and be a case of picking your battles carefully to start with.
posted on 30/5/24
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 11 minutes ago
It's undeniable that Starmer is shifting the party into the "UK centrist party that represents most voters"
But when we say "more strikes" do we mean there will still be strikes or that there will be a larger number of strikes post the election than from 2020 to date?
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I disagree he's moving to represent most voters, I think he realised the most expedient way to win was to court voters away from the Tories.
He's not centrist in the traditional terms, just from our overton window of politics which is horrifically right wing (from a left wing perspective)
posted on 30/5/24
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 8 minutes ago
Hey Insert
How you doing pal? All good in the hood?
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Really good Satters, how are things?
posted on 30/5/24
Ok
I think he's trying to win back the voters that Corbyn lost and most importantly not spook the Tory base to mobilise them to vote
posted on 30/5/24
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posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 12 minutes ago
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posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 minutes ago
Why will there be more?
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Because the unions will expect Starmer to be more sympathetic to their demands and when they discover that things under his Labour are no better than the Tories the disappointment and anger will be heightened.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I imagine there will be more strikes.
But it's due to 14 years of economic mismanagement, 40 years of stagnant wages at the bottom, 3 years of high inflation and because employment laws and protections have been systematically undermined.
Starmer can get fecked by the way, I'm ashamed I voted for him in the leadership election (Corbyn faction should never have put RLB forward...)
He will win by virtue of timing and how shiiiit the Tories have been, he won't deserve it, he's shifted far enough to the right to ensure Tories are comfortable with him, and he will stay in power until we are ready to shift back. He's the same, it's just that the crushing oppression of the working class will happen slower under his watch, so it will feel nicer.
Fack Rachel reeves and her fiscal anchor too, I'm voting Green
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Ha, I did that last election
How you doing
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Good mate, just enjoying time with the baby at the moment, he's 4 and a half months old and it's been a brilliant experience
How are you? Still fostering?
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Yoyoyo congrats mate. Lovely stuff, enjoy.
Got a new kid about 3 and a half months, going very well.
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Ah that's great, amazing work you do
Nice age too, I've loved the last month with my boy, changes every week (although I know I'm saying that to a very seasoned hand )
posted on 30/5/24
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted less than a minute ago
Ok
I think he's trying to win back the voters that Corbyn lost and most importantly not spook the Tory base to mobilise them to vote
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And he's lost the voters that Corbyn gained, membership has plummeted, he's alienated and taken away the power of the CLPs, has barred good candidates in favour of more of his blairite pals.
Why you think he won't do the same at a national level is beyond me, broken promises, reducing democracy within the party. Labour is meant to be a broad church, Corbyn never barred the right wingers, even after two attempted coups
posted on 30/5/24
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posted 9 minutes ago
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posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 minutes ago
Why will there be more?
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Because the unions will expect Starmer to be more sympathetic to their demands and when they discover that things under his Labour are no better than the Tories the disappointment and anger will be heightened.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I imagine there will be more strikes.
But it's due to 14 years of economic mismanagement, 40 years of stagnant wages at the bottom, 3 years of high inflation and because employment laws and protections have been systematically undermined.
Starmer can get fecked by the way, I'm ashamed I voted for him in the leadership election (Corbyn faction should never have put RLB forward...)
He will win by virtue of timing and how shiiiit the Tories have been, he won't deserve it, he's shifted far enough to the right to ensure Tories are comfortable with him, and he will stay in power until we are ready to shift back. He's the same, it's just that the crushing oppression of the working class will happen slower under his watch, so it will feel nicer.
Fack Rachel reeves and her fiscal anchor too, I'm voting Green
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Ha, I did that last election
How you doing
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Good mate, just enjoying time with the baby at the moment, he's 4 and a half months old and it's been a brilliant experience
How are you? Still fostering?
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Yoyoyo congrats mate. Lovely stuff, enjoy.
Got a new kid about 3 and a half months, going very well.
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Ah that's great, amazing work you do
Nice age too, I've loved the last month with my boy, changes every week (although I know I'm saying that to a very seasoned hand)
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Wait till he gets mobile but yes you’re right it’s a really nice age.
posted on 30/5/24
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 minutes ago
Why will there be more?
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Because the unions will expect Starmer to be more sympathetic to their demands and when they discover that things under his Labour are no better than the Tories the disappointment and anger will be heightened.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I imagine there will be more strikes.
But it's due to 14 years of economic mismanagement, 40 years of stagnant wages at the bottom, 3 years of high inflation and because employment laws and protections have been systematically undermined.
Starmer can get fecked by the way, I'm ashamed I voted for him in the leadership election (Corbyn faction should never have put RLB forward...)
He will win by virtue of timing and how shiiiit the Tories have been, he won't deserve it, he's shifted far enough to the right to ensure Tories are comfortable with him, and he will stay in power until we are ready to shift back. He's the same, it's just that the crushing oppression of the working class will happen slower under his watch, so it will feel nicer.
Fack Rachel reeves and her fiscal anchor too, I'm voting Green
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I was just thinking where the hell you’ve got to man
posted on 30/5/24
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted less than a minute ago
Ok
I think he's trying to win back the voters that Corbyn lost and most importantly not spook the Tory base to mobilise them to vote
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And he's lost the voters that Corbyn gained, membership has plummeted, he's alienated and taken away the power of the CLPs, has barred good candidates in favour of more of his blairite pals.
Why you think he won't do the same at a national level is beyond me, broken promises, reducing democracy within the party. Labour is meant to be a broad church, Corbyn never barred the right wingers, even after two attempted coups
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Corbyn deselected just like every leader has done and will do
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45621354
How on earth would someone like Claudia Webbe ever get selected without leadership input
And membership highs under Corbyn aren't the boon you're saying it is
Let's be honest, votes are what's most important
posted on 30/5/24
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 8 minutes ago
Hey Insert
How you doing pal? All good in the hood?
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Really good Satters, how are things?
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Same same bro. Work work work, the odd argument in here
Can’t believe your kid is already 4 months old….
BMCL has probably had his third already with the first graduating next year….
posted on 30/5/24
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted less than a minute ago
Ok
I think he's trying to win back the voters that Corbyn lost and most importantly not spook the Tory base to mobilise them to vote
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And he's lost the voters that Corbyn gained, membership has plummeted, he's alienated and taken away the power of the CLPs, has barred good candidates in favour of more of his blairite pals.
Why you think he won't do the same at a national level is beyond me, broken promises, reducing democracy within the party. Labour is meant to be a broad church, Corbyn never barred the right wingers, even after two attempted coups
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Corbyn deselected just like every leader has done and will do
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45621354
How on earth would someone like Claudia Webbe ever get selected without leadership input
And membership highs under Corbyn aren't the boon you're saying it is
Let's be honest, votes are what's most important
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Did you read your own article?
Corbyn changed the rules so Constituency parties could reselect their MP prior to an election, nothing to do with him, everything to do with empowering the party (and hence it grew)
Starmers office is doing the exact opposite, if you don't see that's a problem then fair enough, for me its anti-democratic and duplicitous.
Just look at the three bans in the last 24 hours. It's shady as fack, remember when we were saying Boris has always been a liar and it's no surprise he was as PM? It's the same
posted on 30/5/24
comment by Gaffer Pranky (U22336)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Gaffer Pranky (U22336)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 12 minutes ago
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posted 36 minutes ago
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posted 14 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 minutes ago
Why will there be more?
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Because the unions will expect Starmer to be more sympathetic to their demands and when they discover that things under his Labour are no better than the Tories the disappointment and anger will be heightened.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I imagine there will be more strikes.
But it's due to 14 years of economic mismanagement, 40 years of stagnant wages at the bottom, 3 years of high inflation and because employment laws and protections have been systematically undermined.
Starmer can get fecked by the way, I'm ashamed I voted for him in the leadership election (Corbyn faction should never have put RLB forward...)
He will win by virtue of timing and how shiiiit the Tories have been, he won't deserve it, he's shifted far enough to the right to ensure Tories are comfortable with him, and he will stay in power until we are ready to shift back. He's the same, it's just that the crushing oppression of the working class will happen slower under his watch, so it will feel nicer.
Fack Rachel reeves and her fiscal anchor too, I'm voting Green
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Ha, I did that last election
How you doing
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Good mate, just enjoying time with the baby at the moment, he's 4 and a half months old and it's been a brilliant experience
How are you? Still fostering?
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Yoyoyo congrats mate. Lovely stuff, enjoy.
Got a new kid about 3 and a half months, going very well.
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Ah that's great, amazing work you do
Nice age too, I've loved the last month with my boy, changes every week (although I know I'm saying that to a very seasoned hand)
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Wait till he gets mobilebut yes you’re right it’s a really nice age.
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Can't wait, it's getting more fun as he goes tbh, always loved the playing with my 9 nieces and nephews, the baby stage was great and all, but now I can make him giggle and laugh i find it much more fun engaging with him
posted on 30/5/24
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 8 minutes ago
Hey Insert
How you doing pal? All good in the hood?
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Really good Satters, how are things?
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Same same bro. Work work work, the odd argument in here
Can’t believe your kid is already 4 months old….
BMCL has probably had his third already with the first graduating next year….
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Yeah 4 months has flown by.. I've saved so much time not arguing in here 🤣
posted on 30/5/24
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 8 minutes ago
Hey Insert
How you doing pal? All good in the hood?
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Really good Satters, how are things?
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Same same bro. Work work work, the odd argument in here
Can’t believe your kid is already 4 months old….
BMCL has probably had his third already with the first graduating next year….
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Yeah 4 months has flown by.. I've saved so much time not arguing in here 🤣
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