comment by Things Can Only Get Better (U11781)
posted 9 hours, 54 minutes ago
When I was growing up we had so many youth centres around my area in West London, I used to hang out with different kids from different schools. In the last 15 years they’ve all been closed down.
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This country has been attacked in every way possible. Honestly, it's been painful and angering to see and hear these things.
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 10 hours, 40 minutes ago
Should I add that my dad worked extensively in the areas of sighthill and red road in Glasgow through his work with asylum seekers, I used to go out with a girl from sighthill so was there all the time, my sister teaches in an inner city Glasgow high school, and my brother in law teaches in the primary school in Scotland with the HIGHEST levels of deprivation and violence in Scotland?
My credentials now ok enough Satters?
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So you’ve known people that have been stabbed to death (this is something that I note you haven’t directly stated), people who have been stabbed and survived, discussed this with the family, friends and generally many who are surrounded by this type of regular violence and they object to stop & search outright as you do? Quoting infringements of liberty? And you have done this in the last few years where knife crime has increased an awful lot since the years when we grew up? I grew up in Manchester which is no stranger to crime, doesn’t mean it’s anything like it is today.
And yes, disproportionate is much better than illogical. It’s actually perfectly logical to want less knives held by people on the street.
Yes if cuts are the problem then I agree we should reverse that but as I’ve said to Hector many, many times. There are just as many police officers today as there were 14 odd years ago, but there is a distinct lack of police presence on the streets and this is the best form of deterrence; increasing the likelihood of getting caught.
The polling is rather split on this FYI, I’m fully aware of the obvious objections and breach of liberties involved with a relatively open policy like stop and search but I really am fully aware of the horrendous causes when some poor kid gets stabbed in the neck many times and you see the reaction from the community being that of ‘yeah this is what happens’. It’s actually that they’re not acting emotionally is what is impactful; these incidents are commonplace.
knife crime has increased an awful lot since the years when we grew up?
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Can you substantiate this claim? Genuine question.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 10 hours, 40 minutes ago
Should I add that my dad worked extensively in the areas of sighthill and red road in Glasgow through his work with asylum seekers, I used to go out with a girl from sighthill so was there all the time, my sister teaches in an inner city Glasgow high school, and my brother in law teaches in the primary school in Scotland with the HIGHEST levels of deprivation and violence in Scotland?
My credentials now ok enough Satters?
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So you’ve known people that have been stabbed to death (this is something that I note you haven’t directly stated), people who have been stabbed and survived, discussed this with the family, friends and generally many who are surrounded by this type of regular violence and they object to stop & search outright as you do? Quoting infringements of liberty? And you have done this in the last few years where knife crime has increased an awful lot since the years when we grew up? I grew up in Manchester which is no stranger to crime, doesn’t mean it’s anything like it is today.
And yes, disproportionate is much better than illogical. It’s actually perfectly logical to want less knives held by people on the street.
Yes if cuts are the problem then I agree we should reverse that but as I’ve said to Hector many, many times. There are just as many police officers today as there were 14 odd years ago, but there is a distinct lack of police presence on the streets and this is the best form of deterrence; increasing the likelihood of getting caught.
The polling is rather split on this FYI, I’m fully aware of the obvious objections and breach of liberties involved with a relatively open policy like stop and search but I really am fully aware of the horrendous causes when some poor kid gets stabbed in the neck many times and you see the reaction from the community being that of ‘yeah this is what happens’. It’s actually that they’re not acting emotionally is what is impactful; these incidents are commonplace.
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Mate, I grew up in and went to school in a not particularly nice part of Glasgow, of course I know people who’ve been stabbed 😂😂😂 an absolutely wild hole you dug yourself into.
Let me go one further, I was once threatened with a knife aged 12 near my house by one of the Young springburn peg (one of those young teams/gamgs I referred to) as they thought I was from some rival gang. “D’you want f***ing ripped” being the specific words used.
You seem to have a strong interest in knife crime. Might I suggest Glasgow be a city you are interested in given the work done in my native city to address it.
And of course I have discussed with my family members 😂 you think that knife crime and violence more generally wasn’t and isn’t a huge topic for folk from Glasgow??
Note I never tried to come after whatever upbringing you may or may not have had. Yet you came at me in a way that others on this thread have rightly criticised. Might I suggest that you stop that.
And yes, the increased stop and search that you seem to support they absolutely do not support. Because of what it does in deprived communities. It creates an “us and them” environment, a feeling of an authoritarian state. It destroys trust rather than build it. They concur with me that building up the facilities that were cut by successive Conservative governments you supported is a much better way to look to address knife crime. Look into the VRUs Satters for more info.
Cite the amount of police officers employed all you want bit this stat is misleading. They got rid of 40,000 experienced officers, PCSO's and police support staff. Realised their error when crime went up. Then recruited another 40,000 new recruits to fill the gap.
If you get burgled what happens? Its more a civil matter now and the only reason you contact the police of for a.reference number. Same with thefts of phones, bikes and even vehicle theft. 99% of rapevictims don't see justice. This leads to victims and witnesses withdrawing from the justice process or not reporting at all. It takes so long to go to court people are wondering why bother.
Numerous miscarriages of justice and scandals surrounding the justice system and police have also undermined confidence in the system.
But what we need is to indiscriminately stop and search more people fitting a vague profile on the premise of a vague crime allegedly taking place in the local area. Ever wonder why there's a wall of silence from.witnesses to knife crime. It's not the criminals people are scared of, they don't trust the police to protect them in the first place.
But f' it, what do we know until we've fulfilled Sat Nav's arbitrary criteria to be able to speak on the subject
I wonder if those wanting more stop and search would be willing to provide all of their biometric details including seemen because there has been a rape in an area?
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 17 minutes ago
Cite the amount of police officers employed all you want bit this stat is misleading. They got rid of 40,000 experienced officers, PCSO's and police support staff. Realised their error when crime went up. Then recruited another 40,000 new recruits to fill the gap.
If you get burgled what happens? Its more a civil matter now and the only reason you contact the police of for a.reference number. Same with thefts of phones, bikes and even vehicle theft. 99% of rapevictims don't see justice. This leads to victims and witnesses withdrawing from the justice process or not reporting at all. It takes so long to go to court people are wondering why bother.
Numerous miscarriages of justice and scandals surrounding the justice system and police have also undermined confidence in the system.
But what we need is to indiscriminately stop and search more people fitting a vague profile on the premise of a vague crime allegedly taking place in the local area. Ever wonder why there's a wall of silence from.witnesses to knife crime. It's not the criminals people are scared of, they don't trust the police to protect them in the first place.
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comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 10 hours, 40 minutes ago
Should I add that my dad worked extensively in the areas of sighthill and red road in Glasgow through his work with asylum seekers, I used to go out with a girl from sighthill so was there all the time, my sister teaches in an inner city Glasgow high school, and my brother in law teaches in the primary school in Scotland with the HIGHEST levels of deprivation and violence in Scotland?
My credentials now ok enough Satters?
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So you’ve known people that have been stabbed to death (this is something that I note you haven’t directly stated), people who have been stabbed and survived, discussed this with the family, friends and generally many who are surrounded by this type of regular violence and they object to stop & search outright as you do? Quoting infringements of liberty? And you have done this in the last few years where knife crime has increased an awful lot since the years when we grew up? I grew up in Manchester which is no stranger to crime, doesn’t mean it’s anything like it is today.
And yes, disproportionate is much better than illogical. It’s actually perfectly logical to want less knives held by people on the street.
Yes if cuts are the problem then I agree we should reverse that but as I’ve said to Hector many, many times. There are just as many police officers today as there were 14 odd years ago, but there is a distinct lack of police presence on the streets and this is the best form of deterrence; increasing the likelihood of getting caught.
The polling is rather split on this FYI, I’m fully aware of the obvious objections and breach of liberties involved with a relatively open policy like stop and search but I really am fully aware of the horrendous causes when some poor kid gets stabbed in the neck many times and you see the reaction from the community being that of ‘yeah this is what happens’. It’s actually that they’re not acting emotionally is what is impactful; these incidents are commonplace.
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Mate, I grew up in and went to school in a not particularly nice part of Glasgow, of course I know people who’ve been stabbed 😂😂😂 an absolutely wild hole you dug yourself into.
Let me go one further, I was once threatened with a knife aged 12 near my house by one of the Young springburn peg (one of those young teams/gamgs I referred to) as they thought I was from some rival gang. “D’you want f***ing ripped” being the specific words used.
You seem to have a strong interest in knife crime. Might I suggest Glasgow be a city you are interested in given the work done in my native city to address it.
And of course I have discussed with my family members 😂 you think that knife crime and violence more generally wasn’t and isn’t a huge topic for folk from Glasgow??
Note I never tried to come after whatever upbringing you may or may not have had. Yet you came at me in a way that others on this thread have rightly criticised. Might I suggest that you stop that.
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It’s not digging a hole. I’m asking you questions, how am I supposed to know if you’ve known people that have been stabbed without asking you and you responding. I think you’re being a little defensive.
I couldn’t care less what other people may criticise. I’m talking to you, asking you questions and you’re answering them. I respect you and believe what you say.
The simple fact is that the people you have encountered and the experiences you have had both want no stop and search (in its current form that is) and I and the others that I know and experiences I have had lead me to agree with stop of search, as long as it’s combined with the aforementioned other directives.
Some 112 homicides were recorded by the Metropolitan Police in 2023, 72 of which involved a knife. The whole of England and Wales had 244 knife homicides.
"Although the number of fatal stabbings has mostly held steady in England and Wales over the past 10 years, headline-grabbing attacks and an overall rise in knife crime have stoked anxieties and led to calls for the government to do more."
https://apnews.com/article/knife-attacks-britain-0a221cbd20d467cea952373bf13cab07
I don't mean to make this seem not serious but I don't think these figures justify stop and search and this article brings that out well.
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 44 minutes ago
knife crime has increased an awful lot since the years when we grew up?
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Can you substantiate this claim? Genuine question.
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Well if I want to take into account the foreseeable Mamba fussiness or endeavour to be precise, if I may, then I would need to know the years which BMCL ‘grew up’.
I would hazard a guess at born in 1988 or thereabouts so ‘grew up’ in the 1990s say.
Wow look at London:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/fa835351-75b9-4556-8a02-547df0c40b0c/image/640
(That’s just a side note, I knew London would be top dog but lord I didn’t expect it to be that much higher)
Fro the same article this was interesting:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/0089da4c-5505-48ce-b3eb-d3827e82f3ae/image/640
The following graph covers a good amount of years as comparison but it’s only homicides:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/240c24cf-96e2-456b-af5e-8a0127a1e565/image/640
This is hospital admissions for knife wounds but sadly only goes back to 98/99
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/0d98ee1c-db8a-4407-b684-f911cc14463a/image/640
This is knife offences but only goes back to 2011
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/712a4198-6f04-4145-b471-c45444bcf4f4/image/640
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmselect/cmhaff/112/11202.gif
It may or may not have increased an awful lot but it depends on the years. The early and mid 90s saw a lot of violent crime but the later 90s and early 00s (when people like BMCL and I were likely to be young adults) were less than today I think.
Not really the most recent point though, is it Mambinator. Although following your questioning, one thing I will say is that we’re not as bad as many other countries
https://www.datapandas.org/ranking/stabbing-deaths-by-country
“ So you’ve known people that have been stabbed to death (this is something that I note you haven’t directly stated), people who have been stabbed and survived, discussed this with the family, friends and generally many who are surrounded by this type of regular violence and they object to stop & search outright as you do? Quoting infringements of liberty?”
“ No offence BMCL, but have you ever spent time, real time in areas where knife crime is so commonplace where it has become ‘shrug you shoulders’ worthy for members of those communities?”
Even you can recognise the tone of these messages from you to me, and framing it as “simply asking questions” and calling me “defensive” doesn’t help your case.
What are the views of the people you know on the work that was done in Glasgow in the early part of this century through the VBU and other initiatives that helped change Glasgow from “the murder capital of Europe” to a city with still a lot of problems but significantly less than at the turn of the 21st century?
https://amp.theguardian.com/membership/2017/dec/03/how-scotland-reduced-knife-deaths-among-young-people
https://www.svru.co.uk/
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/patterns-of-violence-glasgow-london/
And just to be clear, I was 17 in the year 2005 when the WHO report referenced in the article below came out,
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/sep/26/ukcrime.scotland
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
“ So you’ve known people that have been stabbed to death (this is something that I note you haven’t directly stated), people who have been stabbed and survived, discussed this with the family, friends and generally many who are surrounded by this type of regular violence and they object to stop & search outright as you do? Quoting infringements of liberty?”
“ No offence BMCL, but have you ever spent time, real time in areas where knife crime is so commonplace where it has become ‘shrug you shoulders’ worthy for members of those communities?”
Even you can recognise the tone of these messages from you to me, and framing it as “simply asking questions” and calling me “defensive” doesn’t help your case.
What are the views of the people you know on the work that was done in Glasgow in the early part of this century through the VBU and other initiatives that helped change Glasgow from “the murder capital of Europe” to a city with still a lot of problems but significantly less than at the turn of the 21st century?
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Yes a clue was in the phrase ‘no offence’ and the other quote is simply asking a question, yes. If you want to read tone into it without asking me first then that’s up to you and yes that’s being defensive.
Do we not generally have a convivial and respectful relationship and discourse on here? Why would you jump straight to my being accusatory or disrespectful in some manner? It doesn’t make sense mate.
I haven’t spoken to them about Glasgow, so I have no idea.
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 44 seconds ago
https://amp.theguardian.com/membership/2017/dec/03/how-scotland-reduced-knife-deaths-among-young-people
https://www.svru.co.uk/
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/patterns-of-violence-glasgow-london/
And just to be clear, I was 17 in the year 2005 when the WHO report referenced in the article below came out,
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/sep/26/ukcrime.scotland
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Danke
Guessing your age was a fluke FYI
"It may or may not have increased an awful lot but it depends on the years. The early and mid 90s saw a lot of violent crime but the later 90s and early 00s (when people like BMCL and I were likely to be young adults) were less than today I think."
Early to mid nineties - the arseend of over a decade of Tories in power
Late 90's - early 2000's - Labour in power opening youth centres, sure start and finding.ways of support to reduce knife crime
2010 - Coalition followed by outright Tory power - Austerity and cuts to policing, closing of sure start and other forms of community support implemented by Labour. Austerity later found to be punitive on poorer communities as a result of rich people playing poker with the global economy and losing.
Funny how cyclical things are and patterns emerge.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 10 minutes ago
Well if I want to take into account the foreseeable Mamba fussiness or endeavour to be precise, if I may, then I would need to know the years which BMCL ‘grew up’.
I would hazard a guess at born in 1988 or thereabouts so ‘grew up’ in the 1990s say.
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It's difficult to know. It's not like his birth year is in his username or anything.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 10 minutes ago
Well if I want to take into account the foreseeable Mamba fussiness or endeavour to be precise, if I may, then I would need to know the years which BMCL ‘grew up’.
I would hazard a guess at born in 1988 or thereabouts so ‘grew up’ in the 1990s say.
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It's difficult to know. It's not like his birth year is in his username or anything.
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A valid point 🤣
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 16 minutes ago
https://amp.theguardian.com/membership/2017/dec/03/how-scotland-reduced-knife-deaths-among-young-people
https://www.svru.co.uk/
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/patterns-of-violence-glasgow-london/
And just to be clear, I was 17 in the year 2005 when the WHO report referenced in the article below came out,
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/sep/26/ukcrime.scotland
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The Scottish approach was quite conventional at first. “The police played a central role in the beginning,” explains Christine Goodall, who along with two other surgeons founded Medics Against Violence in 2008, a campaign group which works with health professionals, law enforcement, social services and other bodies to thwart violent behaviour. “They campaigned really hard to get the legislation around knife crime changed so people would be more likely to get a mandatory sentence. There was also, at the outset, a lot of stop and search.”
The average sentence for carrying a knife in Scotland has tripled, from four months in 2005-06 to an average of 13 months in 2014-15.
And it then moved on to a public healthcare programme, in terms of approach. So both methods were employed and therefore effective?
I have no objection to this dual style of approach. But in the immediate, I wouldn’t advocate for abolishing stop and search. As I’ve said various times, it has to be a variety of strategies and programmes implemented in order to reduce this.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 44 minutes ago
knife crime has increased an awful lot since the years when we grew up?
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Can you substantiate this claim? Genuine question.
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Well if I want to take into account the foreseeable Mamba fussiness or endeavour to be precise, if I may, then I would need to know the years which BMCL ‘grew up’.
I would hazard a guess at born in 1988 or thereabouts so ‘grew up’ in the 1990s say.
Wow look at London:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/fa835351-75b9-4556-8a02-547df0c40b0c/image/640
(That’s just a side note, I knew London would be top dog but lord I didn’t expect it to be that much higher)
Fro the same article this was interesting:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/0089da4c-5505-48ce-b3eb-d3827e82f3ae/image/640
The following graph covers a good amount of years as comparison but it’s only homicides:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/240c24cf-96e2-456b-af5e-8a0127a1e565/image/640
This is hospital admissions for knife wounds but sadly only goes back to 98/99
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/0d98ee1c-db8a-4407-b684-f911cc14463a/image/640
This is knife offences but only goes back to 2011
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/712a4198-6f04-4145-b471-c45444bcf4f4/image/640
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmselect/cmhaff/112/11202.gif
It may or may not have increased an awful lot but it depends on the years. The early and mid 90s saw a lot of violent crime but the later 90s and early 00s (when people like BMCL and I were likely to be young adults) were less than today I think.
Not really the most recent point though, is it Mambinator. Although following your questioning, one thing I will say is that we’re not as bad as many other countries
https://www.datapandas.org/ranking/stabbing-deaths-by-country
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Thanks for this Satty. Quite informative even in a general sense.
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 44 minutes ago
knife crime has increased an awful lot since the years when we grew up?
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Can you substantiate this claim? Genuine question.
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Well if I want to take into account the foreseeable Mamba fussiness or endeavour to be precise, if I may, then I would need to know the years which BMCL ‘grew up’.
I would hazard a guess at born in 1988 or thereabouts so ‘grew up’ in the 1990s say.
Wow look at London:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/fa835351-75b9-4556-8a02-547df0c40b0c/image/640
(That’s just a side note, I knew London would be top dog but lord I didn’t expect it to be that much higher)
Fro the same article this was interesting:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/0089da4c-5505-48ce-b3eb-d3827e82f3ae/image/640
The following graph covers a good amount of years as comparison but it’s only homicides:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/240c24cf-96e2-456b-af5e-8a0127a1e565/image/640
This is hospital admissions for knife wounds but sadly only goes back to 98/99
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/0d98ee1c-db8a-4407-b684-f911cc14463a/image/640
This is knife offences but only goes back to 2011
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/712a4198-6f04-4145-b471-c45444bcf4f4/image/640
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmselect/cmhaff/112/11202.gif
It may or may not have increased an awful lot but it depends on the years. The early and mid 90s saw a lot of violent crime but the later 90s and early 00s (when people like BMCL and I were likely to be young adults) were less than today I think.
Not really the most recent point though, is it Mambinator. Although following your questioning, one thing I will say is that we’re not as bad as many other countries
https://www.datapandas.org/ranking/stabbing-deaths-by-country
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Thanks for this Satty. Quite informative even in a general sense.
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What I found interesting is how much lower we are compared to other countries. I guess that London certainly influences my opinions on these things.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 44 minutes ago
knife crime has increased an awful lot since the years when we grew up?
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Can you substantiate this claim? Genuine question.
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Well if I want to take into account the foreseeable Mamba fussiness or endeavour to be precise, if I may, then I would need to know the years which BMCL ‘grew up’.
I would hazard a guess at born in 1988 or thereabouts so ‘grew up’ in the 1990s say.
Wow look at London:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/fa835351-75b9-4556-8a02-547df0c40b0c/image/640
(That’s just a side note, I knew London would be top dog but lord I didn’t expect it to be that much higher)
Fro the same article this was interesting:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/0089da4c-5505-48ce-b3eb-d3827e82f3ae/image/640
The following graph covers a good amount of years as comparison but it’s only homicides:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/240c24cf-96e2-456b-af5e-8a0127a1e565/image/640
This is hospital admissions for knife wounds but sadly only goes back to 98/99
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/0d98ee1c-db8a-4407-b684-f911cc14463a/image/640
This is knife offences but only goes back to 2011
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/712a4198-6f04-4145-b471-c45444bcf4f4/image/640
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmselect/cmhaff/112/11202.gif
It may or may not have increased an awful lot but it depends on the years. The early and mid 90s saw a lot of violent crime but the later 90s and early 00s (when people like BMCL and I were likely to be young adults) were less than today I think.
Not really the most recent point though, is it Mambinator. Although following your questioning, one thing I will say is that we’re not as bad as many other countries
https://www.datapandas.org/ranking/stabbing-deaths-by-country
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Thanks for this Satty. Quite informative even in a general sense.
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What I found interesting is how much lower we are compared to other countries. I guess that London certainly influences my opinions on these things.
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Also, the media's use it percentages and figures in a manner to create as much attention as possible because that's the nature of their job. Even an increase of 10 stabbing deaths per year in London can look bad in percentage form.
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 44 minutes ago
knife crime has increased an awful lot since the years when we grew up?
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Can you substantiate this claim? Genuine question.
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Well if I want to take into account the foreseeable Mamba fussiness or endeavour to be precise, if I may, then I would need to know the years which BMCL ‘grew up’.
I would hazard a guess at born in 1988 or thereabouts so ‘grew up’ in the 1990s say.
Wow look at London:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/fa835351-75b9-4556-8a02-547df0c40b0c/image/640
(That’s just a side note, I knew London would be top dog but lord I didn’t expect it to be that much higher)
Fro the same article this was interesting:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/0089da4c-5505-48ce-b3eb-d3827e82f3ae/image/640
The following graph covers a good amount of years as comparison but it’s only homicides:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/240c24cf-96e2-456b-af5e-8a0127a1e565/image/640
This is hospital admissions for knife wounds but sadly only goes back to 98/99
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/0d98ee1c-db8a-4407-b684-f911cc14463a/image/640
This is knife offences but only goes back to 2011
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/712a4198-6f04-4145-b471-c45444bcf4f4/image/640
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmselect/cmhaff/112/11202.gif
It may or may not have increased an awful lot but it depends on the years. The early and mid 90s saw a lot of violent crime but the later 90s and early 00s (when people like BMCL and I were likely to be young adults) were less than today I think.
Not really the most recent point though, is it Mambinator. Although following your questioning, one thing I will say is that we’re not as bad as many other countries
https://www.datapandas.org/ranking/stabbing-deaths-by-country
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Thanks for this Satty. Quite informative even in a general sense.
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What I found interesting is how much lower we are compared to other countries. I guess that London certainly influences my opinions on these things.
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Also, the media's use it percentages and figures in a manner to create as much attention as possible because that's the nature of their job. Even an increase of 10 stabbing deaths per year in London can look bad in percentage form.
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Very true.
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posted on 9/6/24
comment by Things Can Only Get Better (U11781)
posted 9 hours, 54 minutes ago
When I was growing up we had so many youth centres around my area in West London, I used to hang out with different kids from different schools. In the last 15 years they’ve all been closed down.
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This country has been attacked in every way possible. Honestly, it's been painful and angering to see and hear these things.
posted on 9/6/24
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 10 hours, 40 minutes ago
Should I add that my dad worked extensively in the areas of sighthill and red road in Glasgow through his work with asylum seekers, I used to go out with a girl from sighthill so was there all the time, my sister teaches in an inner city Glasgow high school, and my brother in law teaches in the primary school in Scotland with the HIGHEST levels of deprivation and violence in Scotland?
My credentials now ok enough Satters?
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So you’ve known people that have been stabbed to death (this is something that I note you haven’t directly stated), people who have been stabbed and survived, discussed this with the family, friends and generally many who are surrounded by this type of regular violence and they object to stop & search outright as you do? Quoting infringements of liberty? And you have done this in the last few years where knife crime has increased an awful lot since the years when we grew up? I grew up in Manchester which is no stranger to crime, doesn’t mean it’s anything like it is today.
And yes, disproportionate is much better than illogical. It’s actually perfectly logical to want less knives held by people on the street.
Yes if cuts are the problem then I agree we should reverse that but as I’ve said to Hector many, many times. There are just as many police officers today as there were 14 odd years ago, but there is a distinct lack of police presence on the streets and this is the best form of deterrence; increasing the likelihood of getting caught.
The polling is rather split on this FYI, I’m fully aware of the obvious objections and breach of liberties involved with a relatively open policy like stop and search but I really am fully aware of the horrendous causes when some poor kid gets stabbed in the neck many times and you see the reaction from the community being that of ‘yeah this is what happens’. It’s actually that they’re not acting emotionally is what is impactful; these incidents are commonplace.
posted on 9/6/24
knife crime has increased an awful lot since the years when we grew up?
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Can you substantiate this claim? Genuine question.
posted on 9/6/24
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 10 hours, 40 minutes ago
Should I add that my dad worked extensively in the areas of sighthill and red road in Glasgow through his work with asylum seekers, I used to go out with a girl from sighthill so was there all the time, my sister teaches in an inner city Glasgow high school, and my brother in law teaches in the primary school in Scotland with the HIGHEST levels of deprivation and violence in Scotland?
My credentials now ok enough Satters?
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So you’ve known people that have been stabbed to death (this is something that I note you haven’t directly stated), people who have been stabbed and survived, discussed this with the family, friends and generally many who are surrounded by this type of regular violence and they object to stop & search outright as you do? Quoting infringements of liberty? And you have done this in the last few years where knife crime has increased an awful lot since the years when we grew up? I grew up in Manchester which is no stranger to crime, doesn’t mean it’s anything like it is today.
And yes, disproportionate is much better than illogical. It’s actually perfectly logical to want less knives held by people on the street.
Yes if cuts are the problem then I agree we should reverse that but as I’ve said to Hector many, many times. There are just as many police officers today as there were 14 odd years ago, but there is a distinct lack of police presence on the streets and this is the best form of deterrence; increasing the likelihood of getting caught.
The polling is rather split on this FYI, I’m fully aware of the obvious objections and breach of liberties involved with a relatively open policy like stop and search but I really am fully aware of the horrendous causes when some poor kid gets stabbed in the neck many times and you see the reaction from the community being that of ‘yeah this is what happens’. It’s actually that they’re not acting emotionally is what is impactful; these incidents are commonplace.
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Mate, I grew up in and went to school in a not particularly nice part of Glasgow, of course I know people who’ve been stabbed 😂😂😂 an absolutely wild hole you dug yourself into.
Let me go one further, I was once threatened with a knife aged 12 near my house by one of the Young springburn peg (one of those young teams/gamgs I referred to) as they thought I was from some rival gang. “D’you want f***ing ripped” being the specific words used.
You seem to have a strong interest in knife crime. Might I suggest Glasgow be a city you are interested in given the work done in my native city to address it.
And of course I have discussed with my family members 😂 you think that knife crime and violence more generally wasn’t and isn’t a huge topic for folk from Glasgow??
Note I never tried to come after whatever upbringing you may or may not have had. Yet you came at me in a way that others on this thread have rightly criticised. Might I suggest that you stop that.
posted on 9/6/24
And yes, the increased stop and search that you seem to support they absolutely do not support. Because of what it does in deprived communities. It creates an “us and them” environment, a feeling of an authoritarian state. It destroys trust rather than build it. They concur with me that building up the facilities that were cut by successive Conservative governments you supported is a much better way to look to address knife crime. Look into the VRUs Satters for more info.
posted on 9/6/24
Cite the amount of police officers employed all you want bit this stat is misleading. They got rid of 40,000 experienced officers, PCSO's and police support staff. Realised their error when crime went up. Then recruited another 40,000 new recruits to fill the gap.
If you get burgled what happens? Its more a civil matter now and the only reason you contact the police of for a.reference number. Same with thefts of phones, bikes and even vehicle theft. 99% of rapevictims don't see justice. This leads to victims and witnesses withdrawing from the justice process or not reporting at all. It takes so long to go to court people are wondering why bother.
Numerous miscarriages of justice and scandals surrounding the justice system and police have also undermined confidence in the system.
But what we need is to indiscriminately stop and search more people fitting a vague profile on the premise of a vague crime allegedly taking place in the local area. Ever wonder why there's a wall of silence from.witnesses to knife crime. It's not the criminals people are scared of, they don't trust the police to protect them in the first place.
posted on 9/6/24
But f' it, what do we know until we've fulfilled Sat Nav's arbitrary criteria to be able to speak on the subject
posted on 9/6/24
I wonder if those wanting more stop and search would be willing to provide all of their biometric details including seemen because there has been a rape in an area?
posted on 9/6/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 17 minutes ago
Cite the amount of police officers employed all you want bit this stat is misleading. They got rid of 40,000 experienced officers, PCSO's and police support staff. Realised their error when crime went up. Then recruited another 40,000 new recruits to fill the gap.
If you get burgled what happens? Its more a civil matter now and the only reason you contact the police of for a.reference number. Same with thefts of phones, bikes and even vehicle theft. 99% of rapevictims don't see justice. This leads to victims and witnesses withdrawing from the justice process or not reporting at all. It takes so long to go to court people are wondering why bother.
Numerous miscarriages of justice and scandals surrounding the justice system and police have also undermined confidence in the system.
But what we need is to indiscriminately stop and search more people fitting a vague profile on the premise of a vague crime allegedly taking place in the local area. Ever wonder why there's a wall of silence from.witnesses to knife crime. It's not the criminals people are scared of, they don't trust the police to protect them in the first place.
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posted on 9/6/24
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 10 hours, 40 minutes ago
Should I add that my dad worked extensively in the areas of sighthill and red road in Glasgow through his work with asylum seekers, I used to go out with a girl from sighthill so was there all the time, my sister teaches in an inner city Glasgow high school, and my brother in law teaches in the primary school in Scotland with the HIGHEST levels of deprivation and violence in Scotland?
My credentials now ok enough Satters?
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So you’ve known people that have been stabbed to death (this is something that I note you haven’t directly stated), people who have been stabbed and survived, discussed this with the family, friends and generally many who are surrounded by this type of regular violence and they object to stop & search outright as you do? Quoting infringements of liberty? And you have done this in the last few years where knife crime has increased an awful lot since the years when we grew up? I grew up in Manchester which is no stranger to crime, doesn’t mean it’s anything like it is today.
And yes, disproportionate is much better than illogical. It’s actually perfectly logical to want less knives held by people on the street.
Yes if cuts are the problem then I agree we should reverse that but as I’ve said to Hector many, many times. There are just as many police officers today as there were 14 odd years ago, but there is a distinct lack of police presence on the streets and this is the best form of deterrence; increasing the likelihood of getting caught.
The polling is rather split on this FYI, I’m fully aware of the obvious objections and breach of liberties involved with a relatively open policy like stop and search but I really am fully aware of the horrendous causes when some poor kid gets stabbed in the neck many times and you see the reaction from the community being that of ‘yeah this is what happens’. It’s actually that they’re not acting emotionally is what is impactful; these incidents are commonplace.
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Mate, I grew up in and went to school in a not particularly nice part of Glasgow, of course I know people who’ve been stabbed 😂😂😂 an absolutely wild hole you dug yourself into.
Let me go one further, I was once threatened with a knife aged 12 near my house by one of the Young springburn peg (one of those young teams/gamgs I referred to) as they thought I was from some rival gang. “D’you want f***ing ripped” being the specific words used.
You seem to have a strong interest in knife crime. Might I suggest Glasgow be a city you are interested in given the work done in my native city to address it.
And of course I have discussed with my family members 😂 you think that knife crime and violence more generally wasn’t and isn’t a huge topic for folk from Glasgow??
Note I never tried to come after whatever upbringing you may or may not have had. Yet you came at me in a way that others on this thread have rightly criticised. Might I suggest that you stop that.
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It’s not digging a hole. I’m asking you questions, how am I supposed to know if you’ve known people that have been stabbed without asking you and you responding. I think you’re being a little defensive.
I couldn’t care less what other people may criticise. I’m talking to you, asking you questions and you’re answering them. I respect you and believe what you say.
The simple fact is that the people you have encountered and the experiences you have had both want no stop and search (in its current form that is) and I and the others that I know and experiences I have had lead me to agree with stop of search, as long as it’s combined with the aforementioned other directives.
posted on 9/6/24
Some 112 homicides were recorded by the Metropolitan Police in 2023, 72 of which involved a knife. The whole of England and Wales had 244 knife homicides.
"Although the number of fatal stabbings has mostly held steady in England and Wales over the past 10 years, headline-grabbing attacks and an overall rise in knife crime have stoked anxieties and led to calls for the government to do more."
https://apnews.com/article/knife-attacks-britain-0a221cbd20d467cea952373bf13cab07
I don't mean to make this seem not serious but I don't think these figures justify stop and search and this article brings that out well.
posted on 9/6/24
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 44 minutes ago
knife crime has increased an awful lot since the years when we grew up?
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Can you substantiate this claim? Genuine question.
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Well if I want to take into account the foreseeable Mamba fussiness or endeavour to be precise, if I may, then I would need to know the years which BMCL ‘grew up’.
I would hazard a guess at born in 1988 or thereabouts so ‘grew up’ in the 1990s say.
Wow look at London:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/fa835351-75b9-4556-8a02-547df0c40b0c/image/640
(That’s just a side note, I knew London would be top dog but lord I didn’t expect it to be that much higher)
Fro the same article this was interesting:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/0089da4c-5505-48ce-b3eb-d3827e82f3ae/image/640
The following graph covers a good amount of years as comparison but it’s only homicides:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/240c24cf-96e2-456b-af5e-8a0127a1e565/image/640
This is hospital admissions for knife wounds but sadly only goes back to 98/99
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/0d98ee1c-db8a-4407-b684-f911cc14463a/image/640
This is knife offences but only goes back to 2011
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/712a4198-6f04-4145-b471-c45444bcf4f4/image/640
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmselect/cmhaff/112/11202.gif
It may or may not have increased an awful lot but it depends on the years. The early and mid 90s saw a lot of violent crime but the later 90s and early 00s (when people like BMCL and I were likely to be young adults) were less than today I think.
Not really the most recent point though, is it Mambinator. Although following your questioning, one thing I will say is that we’re not as bad as many other countries
https://www.datapandas.org/ranking/stabbing-deaths-by-country
posted on 9/6/24
“ So you’ve known people that have been stabbed to death (this is something that I note you haven’t directly stated), people who have been stabbed and survived, discussed this with the family, friends and generally many who are surrounded by this type of regular violence and they object to stop & search outright as you do? Quoting infringements of liberty?”
“ No offence BMCL, but have you ever spent time, real time in areas where knife crime is so commonplace where it has become ‘shrug you shoulders’ worthy for members of those communities?”
Even you can recognise the tone of these messages from you to me, and framing it as “simply asking questions” and calling me “defensive” doesn’t help your case.
What are the views of the people you know on the work that was done in Glasgow in the early part of this century through the VBU and other initiatives that helped change Glasgow from “the murder capital of Europe” to a city with still a lot of problems but significantly less than at the turn of the 21st century?
posted on 9/6/24
https://amp.theguardian.com/membership/2017/dec/03/how-scotland-reduced-knife-deaths-among-young-people
https://www.svru.co.uk/
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/patterns-of-violence-glasgow-london/
And just to be clear, I was 17 in the year 2005 when the WHO report referenced in the article below came out,
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/sep/26/ukcrime.scotland
posted on 9/6/24
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
“ So you’ve known people that have been stabbed to death (this is something that I note you haven’t directly stated), people who have been stabbed and survived, discussed this with the family, friends and generally many who are surrounded by this type of regular violence and they object to stop & search outright as you do? Quoting infringements of liberty?”
“ No offence BMCL, but have you ever spent time, real time in areas where knife crime is so commonplace where it has become ‘shrug you shoulders’ worthy for members of those communities?”
Even you can recognise the tone of these messages from you to me, and framing it as “simply asking questions” and calling me “defensive” doesn’t help your case.
What are the views of the people you know on the work that was done in Glasgow in the early part of this century through the VBU and other initiatives that helped change Glasgow from “the murder capital of Europe” to a city with still a lot of problems but significantly less than at the turn of the 21st century?
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Yes a clue was in the phrase ‘no offence’ and the other quote is simply asking a question, yes. If you want to read tone into it without asking me first then that’s up to you and yes that’s being defensive.
Do we not generally have a convivial and respectful relationship and discourse on here? Why would you jump straight to my being accusatory or disrespectful in some manner? It doesn’t make sense mate.
I haven’t spoken to them about Glasgow, so I have no idea.
posted on 9/6/24
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 44 seconds ago
https://amp.theguardian.com/membership/2017/dec/03/how-scotland-reduced-knife-deaths-among-young-people
https://www.svru.co.uk/
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/patterns-of-violence-glasgow-london/
And just to be clear, I was 17 in the year 2005 when the WHO report referenced in the article below came out,
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/sep/26/ukcrime.scotland
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Danke
posted on 9/6/24
Guessing your age was a fluke FYI
posted on 9/6/24
"It may or may not have increased an awful lot but it depends on the years. The early and mid 90s saw a lot of violent crime but the later 90s and early 00s (when people like BMCL and I were likely to be young adults) were less than today I think."
Early to mid nineties - the arseend of over a decade of Tories in power
Late 90's - early 2000's - Labour in power opening youth centres, sure start and finding.ways of support to reduce knife crime
2010 - Coalition followed by outright Tory power - Austerity and cuts to policing, closing of sure start and other forms of community support implemented by Labour. Austerity later found to be punitive on poorer communities as a result of rich people playing poker with the global economy and losing.
Funny how cyclical things are and patterns emerge.
posted on 9/6/24
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 10 minutes ago
Well if I want to take into account the foreseeable Mamba fussiness or endeavour to be precise, if I may, then I would need to know the years which BMCL ‘grew up’.
I would hazard a guess at born in 1988 or thereabouts so ‘grew up’ in the 1990s say.
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It's difficult to know. It's not like his birth year is in his username or anything.
posted on 9/6/24
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 10 minutes ago
Well if I want to take into account the foreseeable Mamba fussiness or endeavour to be precise, if I may, then I would need to know the years which BMCL ‘grew up’.
I would hazard a guess at born in 1988 or thereabouts so ‘grew up’ in the 1990s say.
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It's difficult to know. It's not like his birth year is in his username or anything.
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A valid point 🤣
posted on 9/6/24
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 16 minutes ago
https://amp.theguardian.com/membership/2017/dec/03/how-scotland-reduced-knife-deaths-among-young-people
https://www.svru.co.uk/
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/patterns-of-violence-glasgow-london/
And just to be clear, I was 17 in the year 2005 when the WHO report referenced in the article below came out,
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/sep/26/ukcrime.scotland
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The Scottish approach was quite conventional at first. “The police played a central role in the beginning,” explains Christine Goodall, who along with two other surgeons founded Medics Against Violence in 2008, a campaign group which works with health professionals, law enforcement, social services and other bodies to thwart violent behaviour. “They campaigned really hard to get the legislation around knife crime changed so people would be more likely to get a mandatory sentence. There was also, at the outset, a lot of stop and search.”
The average sentence for carrying a knife in Scotland has tripled, from four months in 2005-06 to an average of 13 months in 2014-15.
And it then moved on to a public healthcare programme, in terms of approach. So both methods were employed and therefore effective?
I have no objection to this dual style of approach. But in the immediate, I wouldn’t advocate for abolishing stop and search. As I’ve said various times, it has to be a variety of strategies and programmes implemented in order to reduce this.
posted on 9/6/24
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 44 minutes ago
knife crime has increased an awful lot since the years when we grew up?
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Can you substantiate this claim? Genuine question.
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Well if I want to take into account the foreseeable Mamba fussiness or endeavour to be precise, if I may, then I would need to know the years which BMCL ‘grew up’.
I would hazard a guess at born in 1988 or thereabouts so ‘grew up’ in the 1990s say.
Wow look at London:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/fa835351-75b9-4556-8a02-547df0c40b0c/image/640
(That’s just a side note, I knew London would be top dog but lord I didn’t expect it to be that much higher)
Fro the same article this was interesting:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/0089da4c-5505-48ce-b3eb-d3827e82f3ae/image/640
The following graph covers a good amount of years as comparison but it’s only homicides:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/240c24cf-96e2-456b-af5e-8a0127a1e565/image/640
This is hospital admissions for knife wounds but sadly only goes back to 98/99
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/0d98ee1c-db8a-4407-b684-f911cc14463a/image/640
This is knife offences but only goes back to 2011
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/712a4198-6f04-4145-b471-c45444bcf4f4/image/640
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmselect/cmhaff/112/11202.gif
It may or may not have increased an awful lot but it depends on the years. The early and mid 90s saw a lot of violent crime but the later 90s and early 00s (when people like BMCL and I were likely to be young adults) were less than today I think.
Not really the most recent point though, is it Mambinator. Although following your questioning, one thing I will say is that we’re not as bad as many other countries
https://www.datapandas.org/ranking/stabbing-deaths-by-country
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Thanks for this Satty. Quite informative even in a general sense.
posted on 9/6/24
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 44 minutes ago
knife crime has increased an awful lot since the years when we grew up?
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Can you substantiate this claim? Genuine question.
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Well if I want to take into account the foreseeable Mamba fussiness or endeavour to be precise, if I may, then I would need to know the years which BMCL ‘grew up’.
I would hazard a guess at born in 1988 or thereabouts so ‘grew up’ in the 1990s say.
Wow look at London:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/fa835351-75b9-4556-8a02-547df0c40b0c/image/640
(That’s just a side note, I knew London would be top dog but lord I didn’t expect it to be that much higher)
Fro the same article this was interesting:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/0089da4c-5505-48ce-b3eb-d3827e82f3ae/image/640
The following graph covers a good amount of years as comparison but it’s only homicides:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/240c24cf-96e2-456b-af5e-8a0127a1e565/image/640
This is hospital admissions for knife wounds but sadly only goes back to 98/99
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/0d98ee1c-db8a-4407-b684-f911cc14463a/image/640
This is knife offences but only goes back to 2011
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/712a4198-6f04-4145-b471-c45444bcf4f4/image/640
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmselect/cmhaff/112/11202.gif
It may or may not have increased an awful lot but it depends on the years. The early and mid 90s saw a lot of violent crime but the later 90s and early 00s (when people like BMCL and I were likely to be young adults) were less than today I think.
Not really the most recent point though, is it Mambinator. Although following your questioning, one thing I will say is that we’re not as bad as many other countries
https://www.datapandas.org/ranking/stabbing-deaths-by-country
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Thanks for this Satty. Quite informative even in a general sense.
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What I found interesting is how much lower we are compared to other countries. I guess that London certainly influences my opinions on these things.
posted on 9/6/24
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 44 minutes ago
knife crime has increased an awful lot since the years when we grew up?
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Can you substantiate this claim? Genuine question.
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Well if I want to take into account the foreseeable Mamba fussiness or endeavour to be precise, if I may, then I would need to know the years which BMCL ‘grew up’.
I would hazard a guess at born in 1988 or thereabouts so ‘grew up’ in the 1990s say.
Wow look at London:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/fa835351-75b9-4556-8a02-547df0c40b0c/image/640
(That’s just a side note, I knew London would be top dog but lord I didn’t expect it to be that much higher)
Fro the same article this was interesting:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/0089da4c-5505-48ce-b3eb-d3827e82f3ae/image/640
The following graph covers a good amount of years as comparison but it’s only homicides:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/240c24cf-96e2-456b-af5e-8a0127a1e565/image/640
This is hospital admissions for knife wounds but sadly only goes back to 98/99
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/0d98ee1c-db8a-4407-b684-f911cc14463a/image/640
This is knife offences but only goes back to 2011
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/712a4198-6f04-4145-b471-c45444bcf4f4/image/640
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmselect/cmhaff/112/11202.gif
It may or may not have increased an awful lot but it depends on the years. The early and mid 90s saw a lot of violent crime but the later 90s and early 00s (when people like BMCL and I were likely to be young adults) were less than today I think.
Not really the most recent point though, is it Mambinator. Although following your questioning, one thing I will say is that we’re not as bad as many other countries
https://www.datapandas.org/ranking/stabbing-deaths-by-country
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Thanks for this Satty. Quite informative even in a general sense.
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What I found interesting is how much lower we are compared to other countries. I guess that London certainly influences my opinions on these things.
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Also, the media's use it percentages and figures in a manner to create as much attention as possible because that's the nature of their job. Even an increase of 10 stabbing deaths per year in London can look bad in percentage form.
posted on 9/6/24
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
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comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
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knife crime has increased an awful lot since the years when we grew up?
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Can you substantiate this claim? Genuine question.
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Well if I want to take into account the foreseeable Mamba fussiness or endeavour to be precise, if I may, then I would need to know the years which BMCL ‘grew up’.
I would hazard a guess at born in 1988 or thereabouts so ‘grew up’ in the 1990s say.
Wow look at London:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/fa835351-75b9-4556-8a02-547df0c40b0c/image/640
(That’s just a side note, I knew London would be top dog but lord I didn’t expect it to be that much higher)
Fro the same article this was interesting:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/0089da4c-5505-48ce-b3eb-d3827e82f3ae/image/640
The following graph covers a good amount of years as comparison but it’s only homicides:
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/240c24cf-96e2-456b-af5e-8a0127a1e565/image/640
This is hospital admissions for knife wounds but sadly only goes back to 98/99
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/0d98ee1c-db8a-4407-b684-f911cc14463a/image/640
This is knife offences but only goes back to 2011
https://www.bbc.com/ws/includes/idt2/712a4198-6f04-4145-b471-c45444bcf4f4/image/640
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmselect/cmhaff/112/11202.gif
It may or may not have increased an awful lot but it depends on the years. The early and mid 90s saw a lot of violent crime but the later 90s and early 00s (when people like BMCL and I were likely to be young adults) were less than today I think.
Not really the most recent point though, is it Mambinator. Although following your questioning, one thing I will say is that we’re not as bad as many other countries
https://www.datapandas.org/ranking/stabbing-deaths-by-country
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Thanks for this Satty. Quite informative even in a general sense.
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What I found interesting is how much lower we are compared to other countries. I guess that London certainly influences my opinions on these things.
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Also, the media's use it percentages and figures in a manner to create as much attention as possible because that's the nature of their job. Even an increase of 10 stabbing deaths per year in London can look bad in percentage form.
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Very true.
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