posted 6 days, 21 hours ago
Fwiw I’m surprised it’s not already in place tbh. Awful that he’s had his name released.
posted 6 days, 21 hours ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Why?
——————
Because it’s happening under Labours watch.
Glad you’re coming to the light tho.
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Unfortunately it's two years too late but it's definitely a good thing.
If we want the police to do these incredibly tough jobs then we need to support them rather than the criminals.
posted 6 days, 21 hours ago
If you're charged with murder, you're publicly named unless you're underage. Why should police be different?
I'm not anti-police, I'm anti-bully boy police, the biggest complaint against police year after year is excessive force. Too many of them are power mad and they're a threat.
Take stop and search, in principle it's a common sense approach to a variety of street crime, in reality it's an opportunity for the small sausage copper to wield power and lord it over individuals. That's why it's hated,not the concept the practise.
It's shocking to me that so many people, on here specifically, still think the police should never be questioned.
posted 6 days, 21 hours ago
Oh so somebody thinking that an obvious bit of self defence shouldn't be taken to court has now become the police should never questioned.
It's no wonder you get such a hard time off them if you're this boozed up by 4pm.
posted 6 days, 21 hours ago
Learn to spell you moron
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 17 minutes ago
If you're charged with murder, you're publicly named unless you're underage. Why should police be different?
I'm not anti-police, I'm anti-bully boy police, the biggest complaint against police year after year is excessive force. Too many of them are power mad and they're a threat.
Take stop and search, in principle it's a common sense approach to a variety of street crime, in reality it's an opportunity for the small sausage copper to wield power and lord it over individuals. That's why it's hated,not the concept the practise.
It's shocking to me that so many people, on here specifically, still think the police should never be questioned.
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Yes but we come from completely different view points on this.
For example if some cant from XR has held up the traffic for several hours causing untold misery to folk just trying to get to schools, hospitals and work then I want the police to give them a few sly digs as they get them into the back of the police van.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
Learn to spell you moron
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What like Cousins?
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 17 minutes ago
If you're charged with murder, you're publicly named unless you're underage. Why should police be different?
I'm not anti-police, I'm anti-bully boy police, the biggest complaint against police year after year is excessive force. Too many of them are power mad and they're a threat.
Take stop and search, in principle it's a common sense approach to a variety of street crime, in reality it's an opportunity for the small sausage copper to wield power and lord it over individuals. That's why it's hated,not the concept the practise.
It's shocking to me that so many people, on here specifically, still think the police should never be questioned.
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Yes but we come from completely different view points on this.
For example if some cant from XR has held up the traffic for several hours causing untold misery to folk just trying to get to schools, hospitals and work then I want the police to give them a few sly digs as they get them into the back of the police van.
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You surprise me.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
Well in my book, if you've shot someone and are trying to ram people with a car then you've waived your right to a legal defence when lethal force is used against you in the heat of the moment.
The only reason this gets to court in the first place is because we have too many idiots in this country who will find any excuse to kick off and have riots, that includes Hector.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by Jake Moon (U11781)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
No I had no idea we had an Alex Jones in this country
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There's a fvkin Limey been working with Alex Jones for years. Watson.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted less than a minute ago
Well in my book, if you've shot someone and are trying to ram people with a car then you've waived your right to a legal defence when lethal force is used against you in the heat of the moment.
The only reason this gets to court in the first place is because we have too many idiots in this country who will find any excuse to kick off and have riots, that includes Hector.
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Did he shoot someone?
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted less than a minute ago
Even when a police officer is found not guilty by a jury in a court of law, it seems that many are still determined to put the blame on him.
Bit ironic that…..
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Mental gymnastics
Just doesn’t fit with some views of the police is all.
And now the poor sod has a bounty on his head for doing his job
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I’ve not seen a single person say the officer is guilty.
This site is beginning to need a fact checker.
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What facts do you want checking exactly?
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That people are determined to blame the officer, that people were at risk while an unarmed man is boxed in and I could go on.
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He wasn't boxed in, he was moving along the road, trying to escape when he was shot.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted less than a minute ago
Well in my book, if you've shot someone and are trying to ram people with a car then you've waived your right to a legal defence when lethal force is used against you in the heat of the moment.
The only reason this gets to court in the first place is because we have too many idiots in this country who will find any excuse to kick off and have riots, that includes Hector.
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Did he shoot someone?
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Yes he shot someone in a nightlcub
Doesn't matter whether they knew this or not, they correctly assessed the fact he gave zero f*cks about the value of others human lives, and lethal force was approriate.
Police officers shouldn't be killed and injured just because you don't like them.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
He was beong followed because he had recently shot 2 people, it wasn't a random piece of police surveillance.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Why?
——————
Because it’s happening under Labours watch.
Glad you’re coming to the light tho.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Unfortunately it's two years too late but it's definitely a good thing.
If we want the police to do these incredibly tough jobs then we need to support them rather than the criminals.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
2 years too late? For 20 of those 24 months who was in charge?
Sorry, Pawlie. Yoozadummy.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
Yes he shot someone in a nightlcub
————
What you actually mean is, he was a suspect.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
He was beong followed because he had recently shot 2 people, it wasn't a random piece of police surveillance.
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No, he was followed due to the car. They had no idea who he was.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
He was beong followed because he had recently shot 2 people, it wasn't a random piece of police surveillance.
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No, he was followed due to the car. They had no idea who he was.
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I didn't realise they didn't have access to ANPR and the DVLA database.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
He was beong followed because he had recently shot 2 people, it wasn't a random piece of police surveillance.
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No, he was followed due to the car. They had no idea who he was.
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I didn't realise they didn't have access to ANPR and the DVLA database.
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Clearly.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Yes he shot someone in a nightlcub
————
What you actually mean is, he was a suspect.
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Nope, I mean he shot someone in a nightclub.
Not even the guardian makes the distinction, but you're just a pretend left winger so it's no surprise you have no idea when to stop virtue signalling.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Yes he shot someone in a nightlcub
————
What you actually mean is, he was a suspect.
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Nope, I mean he shot someone in a nightclub.
Not even the guardian makes the distinction, but you're just a pretend left winger so it's no surprise you have no idea when to stop virtue signalling.
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He was a suspect, it’s not up for debate.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Yes he shot someone in a nightlcub
————
What you actually mean is, he was a suspect.
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Nope, I mean he shot someone in a nightclub.
Not even the guardian makes the distinction, but you're just a pretend left winger so it's no surprise you have no idea when to stop virtue signalling.
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He was a suspect, it’s not up for debate.
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I'm sure the Jimmy Saville fan club appreciates you saying such things aren't up for debate.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Yes he shot someone in a nightlcub
————
What you actually mean is, he was a suspect.
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Nope, I mean he shot someone in a nightclub.
Not even the guardian makes the distinction, but you're just a pretend left winger so it's no surprise you have no idea when to stop virtue signalling.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He was a suspect, it’s not up for debate.
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I'm sure the Jimmy Saville fan club appreciates you saying such things aren't up for debate.
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You’re in a Jimmy Saville fan club? Ewwww
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted less than a minute ago
Well in my book, if you've shot someone and are trying to ram people with a car then you've waived your right to a legal defence when lethal force is used against you in the heat of the moment.
The only reason this gets to court in the first place is because we have too many idiots in this country who will find any excuse to kick off and have riots, that includes Hector.
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Did he shoot someone?
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Are you kidding me? If you’re going to come on here screaming police corruption and brutality, then at least make some effort to get some background. There’s actual footage of him shooting someone in a nightclub and then chasing him down the road with the gun drawn. I stand to be corrected, but I think it was the evening before he was shot.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
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No, but if you sick by your principles of defending people who are obviously banged to rights but don't get to criminal trial because they're dead, then you certainly will appeal to them
I'm sure you'll be pointing out saville wasn't found guilty in a court of law, it's not up for debate
but we both know you have no principles and just say whatever you think might make you popular, so...
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posted 6 days, 21 hours ago
Fwiw I’m surprised it’s not already in place tbh. Awful that he’s had his name released.
posted 6 days, 21 hours ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Why?
——————
Because it’s happening under Labours watch.
Glad you’re coming to the light tho.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Unfortunately it's two years too late but it's definitely a good thing.
If we want the police to do these incredibly tough jobs then we need to support them rather than the criminals.
posted 6 days, 21 hours ago
If you're charged with murder, you're publicly named unless you're underage. Why should police be different?
I'm not anti-police, I'm anti-bully boy police, the biggest complaint against police year after year is excessive force. Too many of them are power mad and they're a threat.
Take stop and search, in principle it's a common sense approach to a variety of street crime, in reality it's an opportunity for the small sausage copper to wield power and lord it over individuals. That's why it's hated,not the concept the practise.
It's shocking to me that so many people, on here specifically, still think the police should never be questioned.
posted 6 days, 21 hours ago
Oh so somebody thinking that an obvious bit of self defence shouldn't be taken to court has now become the police should never questioned.
It's no wonder you get such a hard time off them if you're this boozed up by 4pm.
posted 6 days, 21 hours ago
Learn to spell you moron
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 17 minutes ago
If you're charged with murder, you're publicly named unless you're underage. Why should police be different?
I'm not anti-police, I'm anti-bully boy police, the biggest complaint against police year after year is excessive force. Too many of them are power mad and they're a threat.
Take stop and search, in principle it's a common sense approach to a variety of street crime, in reality it's an opportunity for the small sausage copper to wield power and lord it over individuals. That's why it's hated,not the concept the practise.
It's shocking to me that so many people, on here specifically, still think the police should never be questioned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes but we come from completely different view points on this.
For example if some cant from XR has held up the traffic for several hours causing untold misery to folk just trying to get to schools, hospitals and work then I want the police to give them a few sly digs as they get them into the back of the police van.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
Learn to spell you moron
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What like Cousins?
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 17 minutes ago
If you're charged with murder, you're publicly named unless you're underage. Why should police be different?
I'm not anti-police, I'm anti-bully boy police, the biggest complaint against police year after year is excessive force. Too many of them are power mad and they're a threat.
Take stop and search, in principle it's a common sense approach to a variety of street crime, in reality it's an opportunity for the small sausage copper to wield power and lord it over individuals. That's why it's hated,not the concept the practise.
It's shocking to me that so many people, on here specifically, still think the police should never be questioned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes but we come from completely different view points on this.
For example if some cant from XR has held up the traffic for several hours causing untold misery to folk just trying to get to schools, hospitals and work then I want the police to give them a few sly digs as they get them into the back of the police van.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You surprise me.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
Well in my book, if you've shot someone and are trying to ram people with a car then you've waived your right to a legal defence when lethal force is used against you in the heat of the moment.
The only reason this gets to court in the first place is because we have too many idiots in this country who will find any excuse to kick off and have riots, that includes Hector.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by Jake Moon (U11781)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
No I had no idea we had an Alex Jones in this country
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There's a fvkin Limey been working with Alex Jones for years. Watson.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted less than a minute ago
Well in my book, if you've shot someone and are trying to ram people with a car then you've waived your right to a legal defence when lethal force is used against you in the heat of the moment.
The only reason this gets to court in the first place is because we have too many idiots in this country who will find any excuse to kick off and have riots, that includes Hector.
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Did he shoot someone?
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted less than a minute ago
Even when a police officer is found not guilty by a jury in a court of law, it seems that many are still determined to put the blame on him.
Bit ironic that…..
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mental gymnastics
Just doesn’t fit with some views of the police is all.
And now the poor sod has a bounty on his head for doing his job
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’ve not seen a single person say the officer is guilty.
This site is beginning to need a fact checker.
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What facts do you want checking exactly?
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That people are determined to blame the officer, that people were at risk while an unarmed man is boxed in and I could go on.
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He wasn't boxed in, he was moving along the road, trying to escape when he was shot.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted less than a minute ago
Well in my book, if you've shot someone and are trying to ram people with a car then you've waived your right to a legal defence when lethal force is used against you in the heat of the moment.
The only reason this gets to court in the first place is because we have too many idiots in this country who will find any excuse to kick off and have riots, that includes Hector.
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Did he shoot someone?
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Yes he shot someone in a nightlcub
Doesn't matter whether they knew this or not, they correctly assessed the fact he gave zero f*cks about the value of others human lives, and lethal force was approriate.
Police officers shouldn't be killed and injured just because you don't like them.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
He was beong followed because he had recently shot 2 people, it wasn't a random piece of police surveillance.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Why?
——————
Because it’s happening under Labours watch.
Glad you’re coming to the light tho.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Unfortunately it's two years too late but it's definitely a good thing.
If we want the police to do these incredibly tough jobs then we need to support them rather than the criminals.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
2 years too late? For 20 of those 24 months who was in charge?
Sorry, Pawlie. Yoozadummy.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
Yes he shot someone in a nightlcub
————
What you actually mean is, he was a suspect.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
He was beong followed because he had recently shot 2 people, it wasn't a random piece of police surveillance.
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No, he was followed due to the car. They had no idea who he was.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
He was beong followed because he had recently shot 2 people, it wasn't a random piece of police surveillance.
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No, he was followed due to the car. They had no idea who he was.
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I didn't realise they didn't have access to ANPR and the DVLA database.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
He was beong followed because he had recently shot 2 people, it wasn't a random piece of police surveillance.
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No, he was followed due to the car. They had no idea who he was.
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I didn't realise they didn't have access to ANPR and the DVLA database.
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Clearly.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Yes he shot someone in a nightlcub
————
What you actually mean is, he was a suspect.
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Nope, I mean he shot someone in a nightclub.
Not even the guardian makes the distinction, but you're just a pretend left winger so it's no surprise you have no idea when to stop virtue signalling.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Yes he shot someone in a nightlcub
————
What you actually mean is, he was a suspect.
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Nope, I mean he shot someone in a nightclub.
Not even the guardian makes the distinction, but you're just a pretend left winger so it's no surprise you have no idea when to stop virtue signalling.
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He was a suspect, it’s not up for debate.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Yes he shot someone in a nightlcub
————
What you actually mean is, he was a suspect.
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Nope, I mean he shot someone in a nightclub.
Not even the guardian makes the distinction, but you're just a pretend left winger so it's no surprise you have no idea when to stop virtue signalling.
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He was a suspect, it’s not up for debate.
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I'm sure the Jimmy Saville fan club appreciates you saying such things aren't up for debate.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Yes he shot someone in a nightlcub
————
What you actually mean is, he was a suspect.
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Nope, I mean he shot someone in a nightclub.
Not even the guardian makes the distinction, but you're just a pretend left winger so it's no surprise you have no idea when to stop virtue signalling.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He was a suspect, it’s not up for debate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm sure the Jimmy Saville fan club appreciates you saying such things aren't up for debate.
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You’re in a Jimmy Saville fan club? Ewwww
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted less than a minute ago
Well in my book, if you've shot someone and are trying to ram people with a car then you've waived your right to a legal defence when lethal force is used against you in the heat of the moment.
The only reason this gets to court in the first place is because we have too many idiots in this country who will find any excuse to kick off and have riots, that includes Hector.
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Did he shoot someone?
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Are you kidding me? If you’re going to come on here screaming police corruption and brutality, then at least make some effort to get some background. There’s actual footage of him shooting someone in a nightclub and then chasing him down the road with the gun drawn. I stand to be corrected, but I think it was the evening before he was shot.
posted 6 days, 20 hours ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
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No, but if you sick by your principles of defending people who are obviously banged to rights but don't get to criminal trial because they're dead, then you certainly will appeal to them
I'm sure you'll be pointing out saville wasn't found guilty in a court of law, it's not up for debate
but we both know you have no principles and just say whatever you think might make you popular, so...
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