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posted about an hour ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
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My word the mental breakdown on this thread is something to witness
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It’s been an enjoyable read to be fair. I sometimes wonder how some people cope with life.
Anyways, we can have a laugh (albeit a very scared one) at the US as it allows us to ignore the incoming car crash from the budget. I suppose we can defend that yet again with Brexit, the last lot etc etc whilst ignoring the fact that pretty much all of Europe is likely in a worse mess despite being in the EU.
There’s always a convenient answer.
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I listen to wake up to money on BBC 5live most morning 5-6am before I go to the gym. The forecast amongst business owners has plummeted since the budget. It really is negative and will hit SME's particularly hard over the next 12 months. Growth, hires, employee pay rises will all be scaled back.
The big corporates won't be as bad but will all suffer too.
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Lets see what happens, I think the fearmongering has gotten to a lot of people
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Absolutely. None more so than investors, business owners and the millions employed in hospitality, care and the like.
That is real genuine concern. And it’s showing already.
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 16 minutes ago
My word the mental breakdown on this thread is something to witness
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It’s been an enjoyable read to be fair. I sometimes wonder how some people cope with life.
Anyways, we can have a laugh (albeit a very scared one) at the US as it allows us to ignore the incoming car crash from the budget. I suppose we can defend that yet again with Brexit, the last lot etc etc whilst ignoring the fact that pretty much all of Europe is likely in a worse mess despite being in the EU.
There’s always a convenient answer.
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I listen to wake up to money on BBC 5live most morning 5-6am before I go to the gym. The forecast amongst business owners has plummeted since the budget. It really is negative and will hit SME's particularly hard over the next 12 months. Growth, hires, employee pay rises will all be scaled back.
The big corporates won't be as bad but will all suffer too.
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Lets see what happens, I think the fearmongering has gotten to a lot of people
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Absolutely. None more so than investors, business owners and the millions employed in hospitality, care and the like.
That is real genuine concern. And it’s showing already.
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Hospitality and Care have both been crying out for staff since Brexit cut off the supply of Europeans willing to work for low pay on zero hours contracts, but are going to slow down hiring suddenly? Both are also industries who only generally pay minimum wage, what pay rises?
Hospitality contributes to the costs of healthcare in the UK, the amount of people admitted to A&E with alcohol related injuries every weekend, as well as the cost of alcoholism. Getting the inherited waiting list down will also be beneficial to the care sector too no?
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
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posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 16 minutes ago
My word the mental breakdown on this thread is something to witness
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It’s been an enjoyable read to be fair. I sometimes wonder how some people cope with life.
Anyways, we can have a laugh (albeit a very scared one) at the US as it allows us to ignore the incoming car crash from the budget. I suppose we can defend that yet again with Brexit, the last lot etc etc whilst ignoring the fact that pretty much all of Europe is likely in a worse mess despite being in the EU.
There’s always a convenient answer.
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I listen to wake up to money on BBC 5live most morning 5-6am before I go to the gym. The forecast amongst business owners has plummeted since the budget. It really is negative and will hit SME's particularly hard over the next 12 months. Growth, hires, employee pay rises will all be scaled back.
The big corporates won't be as bad but will all suffer too.
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Lets see what happens, I think the fearmongering has gotten to a lot of people
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wake up to money is essentially business owners and economic experts/analysts talking about growth, hiring, economic outlook for the future. I think I'll take their word for it
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Business sees its rse every time the government raises taxes, changes policy or introduces new employee rights.
We saw prominent businessmen in this country advocate for Brexit then move abroad or bemoan the lack of available staff.
Think I'll take their word with a punch of salt.
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That is quite simply not true. Not one single aspect of it.
As for business owners extolling the virtues or concerns over Brexit; are you suggesting that only those who voted against it are worth listening to now?
Because there are many prominent business owners feeling the results of Brexit who are similarly warning over the size and direction of all these budgetary measures.
It’s the totality of the hit; not the individual parts. I wish people would get this. Business owners and investors knew there would be tax hikes. They’d already planned them in. Just not on the scale and the immediacy of them all. That’s the concerning part.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 16 minutes ago
My word the mental breakdown on this thread is something to witness
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It’s been an enjoyable read to be fair. I sometimes wonder how some people cope with life.
Anyways, we can have a laugh (albeit a very scared one) at the US as it allows us to ignore the incoming car crash from the budget. I suppose we can defend that yet again with Brexit, the last lot etc etc whilst ignoring the fact that pretty much all of Europe is likely in a worse mess despite being in the EU.
There’s always a convenient answer.
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I listen to wake up to money on BBC 5live most morning 5-6am before I go to the gym. The forecast amongst business owners has plummeted since the budget. It really is negative and will hit SME's particularly hard over the next 12 months. Growth, hires, employee pay rises will all be scaled back.
The big corporates won't be as bad but will all suffer too.
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Lets see what happens, I think the fearmongering has gotten to a lot of people
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Absolutely. None more so than investors, business owners and the millions employed in hospitality, care and the like.
That is real genuine concern. And it’s showing already.
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Hospitality and Care have both been crying out for staff since Brexit cut off the supply of Europeans willing to work for low pay on zero hours contracts, but are going to slow down hiring suddenly? Both are also industries who only generally pay minimum wage, what pay rises?
Hospitality contributes to the costs of healthcare in the UK, the amount of people admitted to A&E with alcohol related injuries every weekend, as well as the cost of alcoholism. Getting the inherited waiting list down will also be beneficial to the care sector too no?
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Hospitality and Care can forget about hiring more people on higher wages. The impact of those additional costs will render a significant percentage of those businesses unviable and they will likely go under. Then there is the huge supply chain behind them that will be similarly affected. These additional costs can’t be just passed on from those “greedy” business owners as the economy will be severely affected.
And are you suggesting that the imminent decline of hospitality will reduce impact on the NHS? Surely not.
"Hospitality and Care can forget about hiring more people on higher wages."
Show me examples of either sector trying to do this? Both are going to step up from.zero hour contracts & minimum wage if the government didn't put employer NI up?
Where are they getting these higher paid staff from given both have said they struggle to find staff since Brexit?
No I'm suggesting hospitality is in no place to complain about paying more money towards the NHS given how much the effects of the industry cost the NHS as well as policing. Getting 7m people treated and off waiting lists would also benefit hospitality too no?
People should get paid more
So things cost more
An interesting proposition this
How about people get paid less and things cost less instead, then you might be able to sell these things abroad and bring more money into the Country
It's like people think businesses are a magic money fountain and aren't there to facilitate the creation and selling of goods to us
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted 3 hours, 36 minutes ago
In summary, Trump is trying to put a guy with a worm in his brain who doesn't believe in HIV, still thinks vaccines cause autism, said that C-19 was a bioweapon targeted to attack Caucasian people, blamed all school shootings on antidepressants, promotes raw milk, wants to remove flouride from tap water, thinks that WiFi causes cancer and something apparently called "leaky brain", has said that chemicals in the water supply could "turn children transgender", and claimed that Bill Gates is microchipping people so that he can switch their brains off if people don't conformin charge of:
- a budget of around $700bn
- roughly 65,000 employees
- monitoring 11 agencies, including the Food and Drug Administration, the National Institutes of Health, and Medicare
- and responding to public health emergencies.
What could possibly go wrong?
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Well, when you put it like that.
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted 5 minutes ago
People should get paid more
So things cost more
An interesting proposition this
How about people get paid less and things cost less instead, then you might be able to sell these things abroad and bring more money into the Country
It's like people think businesses are a magic money fountain and aren't there to facilitate the creation and selling of goods to us
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We've seen over the last few years things costing more isn't a result of people being paid more.
Hospitality is events n front of house FFS
We mean healthcare right?
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
Hospitality is events n front of house FFS
We mean healthcare right?
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Hospitality - Pubs, bars, restaurants...the nighttime economy.
Care - Social care, nursing homes, palliative care and home visits etc.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted 5 minutes ago
People should get paid more
So things cost more
An interesting proposition this
How about people get paid less and things cost less instead, then you might be able to sell these things abroad and bring more money into the Country
It's like people think businesses are a magic money fountain and aren't there to facilitate the creation and selling of goods to us
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We've seen over the last few years things costing more isn't a result of people being paid more.
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Incorrect. Things costing more is because it's too expensive to produce those things cheaply here.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 17 minutes ago
"Hospitality and Care can forget about hiring more people on higher wages."
Show me examples of either sector trying to do this? Both are going to step up from.zero hour contracts & minimum wage if the government didn't put employer NI up?
Where are they getting these higher paid staff from given both have said they struggle to find staff since Brexit?
No I'm suggesting hospitality is in no place to complain about paying more money towards the NHS given how much the effects of the industry cost the NHS as well as policing. Getting 7m people treated and off waiting lists would also benefit hospitality too no?
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You’re not getting my points and to be fair maybe I’ve not worded it properly.
Hospitality and the Care sector need more staff. They can hardly afford them as things stand and it will be far more difficult now with the increased cost of hiring. Don’t take my word for it but listen to what those sector leaders are saying.
As for getting 7m people off waiting lists; the NHS itself is saying that won’t happen.
That £22bn appears to have been accepted as a stand still basis by them. You really think they’re going to be driven to modernise and improve to the point of being sacked? I think the emboldened unions will have a say in that.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted 5 minutes ago
People should get paid more
So things cost more
An interesting proposition this
How about people get paid less and things cost less instead, then you might be able to sell these things abroad and bring more money into the Country
It's like people think businesses are a magic money fountain and aren't there to facilitate the creation and selling of goods to us
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We've seen over the last few years things costing more isn't a result of people being paid more.
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Not necessarily; but it does have an affect.
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted 5 minutes ago
People should get paid more
So things cost more
An interesting proposition this
How about people get paid less and things cost less instead, then you might be able to sell these things abroad and bring more money into the Country
It's like people think businesses are a magic money fountain and aren't there to facilitate the creation and selling of goods to us
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We've seen over the last few years things costing more isn't a result of people being paid more.
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Incorrect. Things costing more is because it's too expensive to produce those things cheaply here.
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So you taking a voluntary pay cut? Or is it just low paid workers who have to tighten their belts?
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted 5 minutes ago
People should get paid more
So things cost more
An interesting proposition this
How about people get paid less and things cost less instead, then you might be able to sell these things abroad and bring more money into the Country
It's like people think businesses are a magic money fountain and aren't there to facilitate the creation and selling of goods to us
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We've seen over the last few years things costing more isn't a result of people being paid more.
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Incorrect. Things costing more is because it's too expensive to produce those things cheaply here.
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Wages have stagnated since 2010 yet the cost of everything has risen. The cost of making something in the UK has risen for numerous cited reasons, from Brexit (difficulties and extra costs importing/exporting raw materials and finished products), the war in Ukraine (costs of oil/gas, costs of grain and wheat due to shortage) to the same increased costs of living we too suffer domestically. Increased pay is usually way down the list
lol
we halvefth both a flood and wildfire warnings
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Incorrect. Things costing more is because it's too expensive to produce those things cheaply here.
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So you taking a voluntary pay cut? Or is it just low paid workers who have to tighten their belts?
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Ooh, I love a good it's all on you argument
Do you employ a team of cleaners, cooks, gardeners, or do you fart around on internet forums and expect everyone else to create jobs for low paid workers?
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 17 minutes ago
"Hospitality and Care can forget about hiring more people on higher wages."
Show me examples of either sector trying to do this? Both are going to step up from.zero hour contracts & minimum wage if the government didn't put employer NI up?
Where are they getting these higher paid staff from given both have said they struggle to find staff since Brexit?
No I'm suggesting hospitality is in no place to complain about paying more money towards the NHS given how much the effects of the industry cost the NHS as well as policing. Getting 7m people treated and off waiting lists would also benefit hospitality too no?
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You’re not getting my points and to be fair maybe I’ve not worded it properly.
Hospitality and the Care sector need more staff. They can hardly afford them as things stand and it will be far more difficult now with the increased cost of hiring. Don’t take my word for it but listen to what those sector leaders are saying.
As for getting 7m people off waiting lists; the NHS itself is saying that won’t happen.
That £22bn appears to have been accepted as a stand still basis by them. You really think they’re going to be driven to modernise and improve to the point of being sacked? I think the emboldened unions will have a say in that.
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Why have hospitality and the care sector been struggling to find staff for years?
Long before the budget and election.
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Wages have stagnated since 2010 yet the cost of everything has risen. The cost of making something in the UK has risen for numerous cited reasons, from Brexit (difficulties and extra costs importing/exporting raw materials and finished products), the war in Ukraine (costs of oil/gas, costs of grain and wheat due to shortage) to the same increased costs of living we too suffer domestically. Increased pay is usually way down the list
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You appear to have omitted the fact that things cost more because there's more people in the Country and less things to go around.
Wages have 'stagnated' because we've brought in more low paid workers and bloated the public sector, actual wages have gone up significantly.
From the ICAEW
"Private sector wages have risen faster at 45.7% over ten years (3.8% a year on average), while public sector wages have gone up by 33.7% (2.9% a year on average), only marginally ahead of CPI (by 0.07% a year).
'stagnation' apparently.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
Hospitality is events n front of house FFS
We mean healthcare right?
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Hospitality - Pubs, bars, restaurants...the nighttime economy.
Care - Social care, nursing homes, palliative care and home visits etc.
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comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
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Why have hospitality and the care sector been struggling to find staff for years?
Long before the budget and election.
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Because unskilled jobs like stacking shelves are well paid thanks to min wage. So it's pointless doing a low paid skilled one for the same pay.
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posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
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posted about an hour ago
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comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 5 seconds ago
As much as I don't want people to suffer, I do think the only way to finally break Trump's hold on so many MAGA types is to start seeing some of the more unhinged consequences for their vote.
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Sadly as we saw with Brexit no matter how many consequences occur, it’s always the other sides fault
They’re riding this all the way to civil war
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For the first time, I’m beginning to believe that we’re now on the path, if not to a full-blown civil war, to serious civil conflict in the US.
We’re a few months away from the start of an accelerated and open transfer of both wealth and power from the bottom 50% to the top 1%, in a country which statistically already displays the same kind of wealth distribution as they had in pre-revolution France.
That 1% will get away with what they’re doing until a certain tipping point is reached and the working class realises how divide-and-conquer has been so cynically deployed against them.
The sole reason why I’m finally being persuaded that the US is on the path is because previously, I think the interests of the 1% have been (largely) represented by people who understand that the aforementioned tipping point both exists, and for their own interests, shouldn’t be approached.
I don’t think the likes of Trump and Musk either realise it exists or care that it exists. They’ll take and take and take until they’ve dug their own graves.
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Please explain.
Again, the data shows that the wealth distribution in the US is *already* more or less the same as it was right before the French started lopping heads off.
The top 1% hold as much wealth as the bottom 90%, and a Fed survey shows that 4 in 10 Americans don’t have enough cash or savings to cover an unexpected $400 expense.
Just let those two facts sink in for a moment.
Now consider that that wealth distribution is still shifting rightward at a pace, seeing a greater and greater proportion of the nation’s wealth in the hands of very, very few. That one-third share of the wealth already controlled by the 1% is growing quickly.
Finally consider that economists, pretty universally, agree that Trump’s stated policies will *accelerate* that shift of wealth away from the poorest to the wealthiest. The already growing one-third share will now grow even more quickly.
Again, all of this is cold, hard facts. There’s no narrative applied here.
So the question is where do *you* think this eventually leads?
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do you have a timeline for when the civil war will start
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I haven’t said that there’ll be a civil war.
Would you like to answer my question:
Where do you think this extreme, and now accelerating, wealth inequality will eventually lead?
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"For the first time, I’m beginning to believe that we’re now on the path, if not to a full-blown civil war, to serious civil conflict in the US."
ok yes you did
Another top-quality Community Note on X:
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comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
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Why have hospitality and the care sector been struggling to find staff for years?
Long before the budget and election.
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Because unskilled jobs like stacking shelves are well paid thanks to min wage. So it's pointless doing a low paid skilled one for the same pay.
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Ah right the minimum legal pay is 'well paid' now
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posted on 15/11/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 16 minutes ago
My word the mental breakdown on this thread is something to witness
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It’s been an enjoyable read to be fair. I sometimes wonder how some people cope with life.
Anyways, we can have a laugh (albeit a very scared one) at the US as it allows us to ignore the incoming car crash from the budget. I suppose we can defend that yet again with Brexit, the last lot etc etc whilst ignoring the fact that pretty much all of Europe is likely in a worse mess despite being in the EU.
There’s always a convenient answer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I listen to wake up to money on BBC 5live most morning 5-6am before I go to the gym. The forecast amongst business owners has plummeted since the budget. It really is negative and will hit SME's particularly hard over the next 12 months. Growth, hires, employee pay rises will all be scaled back.
The big corporates won't be as bad but will all suffer too.
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Lets see what happens, I think the fearmongering has gotten to a lot of people
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Absolutely. None more so than investors, business owners and the millions employed in hospitality, care and the like.
That is real genuine concern. And it’s showing already.
posted on 15/11/24
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 16 minutes ago
My word the mental breakdown on this thread is something to witness
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It’s been an enjoyable read to be fair. I sometimes wonder how some people cope with life.
Anyways, we can have a laugh (albeit a very scared one) at the US as it allows us to ignore the incoming car crash from the budget. I suppose we can defend that yet again with Brexit, the last lot etc etc whilst ignoring the fact that pretty much all of Europe is likely in a worse mess despite being in the EU.
There’s always a convenient answer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I listen to wake up to money on BBC 5live most morning 5-6am before I go to the gym. The forecast amongst business owners has plummeted since the budget. It really is negative and will hit SME's particularly hard over the next 12 months. Growth, hires, employee pay rises will all be scaled back.
The big corporates won't be as bad but will all suffer too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lets see what happens, I think the fearmongering has gotten to a lot of people
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Absolutely. None more so than investors, business owners and the millions employed in hospitality, care and the like.
That is real genuine concern. And it’s showing already.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hospitality and Care have both been crying out for staff since Brexit cut off the supply of Europeans willing to work for low pay on zero hours contracts, but are going to slow down hiring suddenly? Both are also industries who only generally pay minimum wage, what pay rises?
Hospitality contributes to the costs of healthcare in the UK, the amount of people admitted to A&E with alcohol related injuries every weekend, as well as the cost of alcoholism. Getting the inherited waiting list down will also be beneficial to the care sector too no?
posted on 15/11/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 16 minutes ago
My word the mental breakdown on this thread is something to witness
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It’s been an enjoyable read to be fair. I sometimes wonder how some people cope with life.
Anyways, we can have a laugh (albeit a very scared one) at the US as it allows us to ignore the incoming car crash from the budget. I suppose we can defend that yet again with Brexit, the last lot etc etc whilst ignoring the fact that pretty much all of Europe is likely in a worse mess despite being in the EU.
There’s always a convenient answer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I listen to wake up to money on BBC 5live most morning 5-6am before I go to the gym. The forecast amongst business owners has plummeted since the budget. It really is negative and will hit SME's particularly hard over the next 12 months. Growth, hires, employee pay rises will all be scaled back.
The big corporates won't be as bad but will all suffer too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lets see what happens, I think the fearmongering has gotten to a lot of people
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wake up to money is essentially business owners and economic experts/analysts talking about growth, hiring, economic outlook for the future. I think I'll take their word for it
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Business sees its rse every time the government raises taxes, changes policy or introduces new employee rights.
We saw prominent businessmen in this country advocate for Brexit then move abroad or bemoan the lack of available staff.
Think I'll take their word with a punch of salt.
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That is quite simply not true. Not one single aspect of it.
As for business owners extolling the virtues or concerns over Brexit; are you suggesting that only those who voted against it are worth listening to now?
Because there are many prominent business owners feeling the results of Brexit who are similarly warning over the size and direction of all these budgetary measures.
It’s the totality of the hit; not the individual parts. I wish people would get this. Business owners and investors knew there would be tax hikes. They’d already planned them in. Just not on the scale and the immediacy of them all. That’s the concerning part.
posted on 15/11/24
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 39 minutes ago
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posted 2 seconds ago
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posted about an hour ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 16 minutes ago
My word the mental breakdown on this thread is something to witness
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It’s been an enjoyable read to be fair. I sometimes wonder how some people cope with life.
Anyways, we can have a laugh (albeit a very scared one) at the US as it allows us to ignore the incoming car crash from the budget. I suppose we can defend that yet again with Brexit, the last lot etc etc whilst ignoring the fact that pretty much all of Europe is likely in a worse mess despite being in the EU.
There’s always a convenient answer.
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I listen to wake up to money on BBC 5live most morning 5-6am before I go to the gym. The forecast amongst business owners has plummeted since the budget. It really is negative and will hit SME's particularly hard over the next 12 months. Growth, hires, employee pay rises will all be scaled back.
The big corporates won't be as bad but will all suffer too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lets see what happens, I think the fearmongering has gotten to a lot of people
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Absolutely. None more so than investors, business owners and the millions employed in hospitality, care and the like.
That is real genuine concern. And it’s showing already.
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Hospitality and Care have both been crying out for staff since Brexit cut off the supply of Europeans willing to work for low pay on zero hours contracts, but are going to slow down hiring suddenly? Both are also industries who only generally pay minimum wage, what pay rises?
Hospitality contributes to the costs of healthcare in the UK, the amount of people admitted to A&E with alcohol related injuries every weekend, as well as the cost of alcoholism. Getting the inherited waiting list down will also be beneficial to the care sector too no?
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Hospitality and Care can forget about hiring more people on higher wages. The impact of those additional costs will render a significant percentage of those businesses unviable and they will likely go under. Then there is the huge supply chain behind them that will be similarly affected. These additional costs can’t be just passed on from those “greedy” business owners as the economy will be severely affected.
And are you suggesting that the imminent decline of hospitality will reduce impact on the NHS? Surely not.
posted on 15/11/24
"Hospitality and Care can forget about hiring more people on higher wages."
Show me examples of either sector trying to do this? Both are going to step up from.zero hour contracts & minimum wage if the government didn't put employer NI up?
Where are they getting these higher paid staff from given both have said they struggle to find staff since Brexit?
No I'm suggesting hospitality is in no place to complain about paying more money towards the NHS given how much the effects of the industry cost the NHS as well as policing. Getting 7m people treated and off waiting lists would also benefit hospitality too no?
posted on 15/11/24
People should get paid more
So things cost more
An interesting proposition this
How about people get paid less and things cost less instead, then you might be able to sell these things abroad and bring more money into the Country
It's like people think businesses are a magic money fountain and aren't there to facilitate the creation and selling of goods to us
posted on 15/11/24
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted 3 hours, 36 minutes ago
In summary, Trump is trying to put a guy with a worm in his brain who doesn't believe in HIV, still thinks vaccines cause autism, said that C-19 was a bioweapon targeted to attack Caucasian people, blamed all school shootings on antidepressants, promotes raw milk, wants to remove flouride from tap water, thinks that WiFi causes cancer and something apparently called "leaky brain", has said that chemicals in the water supply could "turn children transgender", and claimed that Bill Gates is microchipping people so that he can switch their brains off if people don't conformin charge of:
- a budget of around $700bn
- roughly 65,000 employees
- monitoring 11 agencies, including the Food and Drug Administration, the National Institutes of Health, and Medicare
- and responding to public health emergencies.
What could possibly go wrong?
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Well, when you put it like that.
posted on 15/11/24
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted 5 minutes ago
People should get paid more
So things cost more
An interesting proposition this
How about people get paid less and things cost less instead, then you might be able to sell these things abroad and bring more money into the Country
It's like people think businesses are a magic money fountain and aren't there to facilitate the creation and selling of goods to us
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We've seen over the last few years things costing more isn't a result of people being paid more.
posted on 15/11/24
Hospitality is events n front of house FFS
We mean healthcare right?
posted on 15/11/24
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
Hospitality is events n front of house FFS
We mean healthcare right?
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Hospitality - Pubs, bars, restaurants...the nighttime economy.
Care - Social care, nursing homes, palliative care and home visits etc.
posted on 15/11/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted 5 minutes ago
People should get paid more
So things cost more
An interesting proposition this
How about people get paid less and things cost less instead, then you might be able to sell these things abroad and bring more money into the Country
It's like people think businesses are a magic money fountain and aren't there to facilitate the creation and selling of goods to us
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We've seen over the last few years things costing more isn't a result of people being paid more.
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Incorrect. Things costing more is because it's too expensive to produce those things cheaply here.
posted on 15/11/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 17 minutes ago
"Hospitality and Care can forget about hiring more people on higher wages."
Show me examples of either sector trying to do this? Both are going to step up from.zero hour contracts & minimum wage if the government didn't put employer NI up?
Where are they getting these higher paid staff from given both have said they struggle to find staff since Brexit?
No I'm suggesting hospitality is in no place to complain about paying more money towards the NHS given how much the effects of the industry cost the NHS as well as policing. Getting 7m people treated and off waiting lists would also benefit hospitality too no?
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You’re not getting my points and to be fair maybe I’ve not worded it properly.
Hospitality and the Care sector need more staff. They can hardly afford them as things stand and it will be far more difficult now with the increased cost of hiring. Don’t take my word for it but listen to what those sector leaders are saying.
As for getting 7m people off waiting lists; the NHS itself is saying that won’t happen.
That £22bn appears to have been accepted as a stand still basis by them. You really think they’re going to be driven to modernise and improve to the point of being sacked? I think the emboldened unions will have a say in that.
posted on 15/11/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted 5 minutes ago
People should get paid more
So things cost more
An interesting proposition this
How about people get paid less and things cost less instead, then you might be able to sell these things abroad and bring more money into the Country
It's like people think businesses are a magic money fountain and aren't there to facilitate the creation and selling of goods to us
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We've seen over the last few years things costing more isn't a result of people being paid more.
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Not necessarily; but it does have an affect.
posted on 15/11/24
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted 5 minutes ago
People should get paid more
So things cost more
An interesting proposition this
How about people get paid less and things cost less instead, then you might be able to sell these things abroad and bring more money into the Country
It's like people think businesses are a magic money fountain and aren't there to facilitate the creation and selling of goods to us
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We've seen over the last few years things costing more isn't a result of people being paid more.
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Incorrect. Things costing more is because it's too expensive to produce those things cheaply here.
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So you taking a voluntary pay cut? Or is it just low paid workers who have to tighten their belts?
posted on 15/11/24
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted 5 minutes ago
People should get paid more
So things cost more
An interesting proposition this
How about people get paid less and things cost less instead, then you might be able to sell these things abroad and bring more money into the Country
It's like people think businesses are a magic money fountain and aren't there to facilitate the creation and selling of goods to us
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We've seen over the last few years things costing more isn't a result of people being paid more.
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Incorrect. Things costing more is because it's too expensive to produce those things cheaply here.
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Wages have stagnated since 2010 yet the cost of everything has risen. The cost of making something in the UK has risen for numerous cited reasons, from Brexit (difficulties and extra costs importing/exporting raw materials and finished products), the war in Ukraine (costs of oil/gas, costs of grain and wheat due to shortage) to the same increased costs of living we too suffer domestically. Increased pay is usually way down the list
posted on 15/11/24
lol
we halvefth both a flood and wildfire warnings
posted on 15/11/24
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
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Incorrect. Things costing more is because it's too expensive to produce those things cheaply here.
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So you taking a voluntary pay cut? Or is it just low paid workers who have to tighten their belts?
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Ooh, I love a good it's all on you argument
Do you employ a team of cleaners, cooks, gardeners, or do you fart around on internet forums and expect everyone else to create jobs for low paid workers?
posted on 15/11/24
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 17 minutes ago
"Hospitality and Care can forget about hiring more people on higher wages."
Show me examples of either sector trying to do this? Both are going to step up from.zero hour contracts & minimum wage if the government didn't put employer NI up?
Where are they getting these higher paid staff from given both have said they struggle to find staff since Brexit?
No I'm suggesting hospitality is in no place to complain about paying more money towards the NHS given how much the effects of the industry cost the NHS as well as policing. Getting 7m people treated and off waiting lists would also benefit hospitality too no?
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You’re not getting my points and to be fair maybe I’ve not worded it properly.
Hospitality and the Care sector need more staff. They can hardly afford them as things stand and it will be far more difficult now with the increased cost of hiring. Don’t take my word for it but listen to what those sector leaders are saying.
As for getting 7m people off waiting lists; the NHS itself is saying that won’t happen.
That £22bn appears to have been accepted as a stand still basis by them. You really think they’re going to be driven to modernise and improve to the point of being sacked? I think the emboldened unions will have a say in that.
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Why have hospitality and the care sector been struggling to find staff for years?
Long before the budget and election.
posted on 15/11/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
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Wages have stagnated since 2010 yet the cost of everything has risen. The cost of making something in the UK has risen for numerous cited reasons, from Brexit (difficulties and extra costs importing/exporting raw materials and finished products), the war in Ukraine (costs of oil/gas, costs of grain and wheat due to shortage) to the same increased costs of living we too suffer domestically. Increased pay is usually way down the list
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You appear to have omitted the fact that things cost more because there's more people in the Country and less things to go around.
Wages have 'stagnated' because we've brought in more low paid workers and bloated the public sector, actual wages have gone up significantly.
posted on 15/11/24
From the ICAEW
"Private sector wages have risen faster at 45.7% over ten years (3.8% a year on average), while public sector wages have gone up by 33.7% (2.9% a year on average), only marginally ahead of CPI (by 0.07% a year).
'stagnation' apparently.
posted on 15/11/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
Hospitality is events n front of house FFS
We mean healthcare right?
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Hospitality - Pubs, bars, restaurants...the nighttime economy.
Care - Social care, nursing homes, palliative care and home visits etc.
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posted on 15/11/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
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Why have hospitality and the care sector been struggling to find staff for years?
Long before the budget and election.
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Because unskilled jobs like stacking shelves are well paid thanks to min wage. So it's pointless doing a low paid skilled one for the same pay.
posted on 15/11/24
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 5 seconds ago
As much as I don't want people to suffer, I do think the only way to finally break Trump's hold on so many MAGA types is to start seeing some of the more unhinged consequences for their vote.
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Sadly as we saw with Brexit no matter how many consequences occur, it’s always the other sides fault
They’re riding this all the way to civil war
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For the first time, I’m beginning to believe that we’re now on the path, if not to a full-blown civil war, to serious civil conflict in the US.
We’re a few months away from the start of an accelerated and open transfer of both wealth and power from the bottom 50% to the top 1%, in a country which statistically already displays the same kind of wealth distribution as they had in pre-revolution France.
That 1% will get away with what they’re doing until a certain tipping point is reached and the working class realises how divide-and-conquer has been so cynically deployed against them.
The sole reason why I’m finally being persuaded that the US is on the path is because previously, I think the interests of the 1% have been (largely) represented by people who understand that the aforementioned tipping point both exists, and for their own interests, shouldn’t be approached.
I don’t think the likes of Trump and Musk either realise it exists or care that it exists. They’ll take and take and take until they’ve dug their own graves.
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Please explain.
Again, the data shows that the wealth distribution in the US is *already* more or less the same as it was right before the French started lopping heads off.
The top 1% hold as much wealth as the bottom 90%, and a Fed survey shows that 4 in 10 Americans don’t have enough cash or savings to cover an unexpected $400 expense.
Just let those two facts sink in for a moment.
Now consider that that wealth distribution is still shifting rightward at a pace, seeing a greater and greater proportion of the nation’s wealth in the hands of very, very few. That one-third share of the wealth already controlled by the 1% is growing quickly.
Finally consider that economists, pretty universally, agree that Trump’s stated policies will *accelerate* that shift of wealth away from the poorest to the wealthiest. The already growing one-third share will now grow even more quickly.
Again, all of this is cold, hard facts. There’s no narrative applied here.
So the question is where do *you* think this eventually leads?
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do you have a timeline for when the civil war will start
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I haven’t said that there’ll be a civil war.
Would you like to answer my question:
Where do you think this extreme, and now accelerating, wealth inequality will eventually lead?
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"For the first time, I’m beginning to believe that we’re now on the path, if not to a full-blown civil war, to serious civil conflict in the US."
ok yes you did
posted on 15/11/24
Another top-quality Community Note on X:
https://x.com/philipjcowley/status/1857132179593081218?t=xVZYmtZwbbw_LxqEkpW0RA&s=19
posted on 15/11/24
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
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Why have hospitality and the care sector been struggling to find staff for years?
Long before the budget and election.
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Because unskilled jobs like stacking shelves are well paid thanks to min wage. So it's pointless doing a low paid skilled one for the same pay.
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Ah right the minimum legal pay is 'well paid' now
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