comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)

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For the first time, I’m beginning to believe that we’re now on the path, if not to a full-blown civil war, to serious civil conflict in the US.


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There's been a cold civil war going on in the US for the past decade

One side just won it

The most civil unrest you'll see is some protestors getting tear gassed, people are far too preoccupied with fighting on social media to bear arms

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As I've pointed out above, a growing proportion of the US population is becoming rather more preoccupied with keeping a roof over their heads, feeding their children, and paying their medical and utility bills. This whilst they watch in their very own country the wealthiest people ever to have lived become much, much more wealthy very, very quickly indeed.

There will become a point at which very many of these people recognise that culture wars are a manufactured and (progressively so, for them, at least) relatively very inconsequential distraction. And that they have been done, left to squabble amongst each other about the nuances of the rights of various ultra-minority groups whilst the largest redistribution of wealth since the dawn of time has been quietly going on in the background.

I predict that when they realise both the above, and that the two electoral choices they've had for several generations have been going out to bat for the same side (and not theirs), there are going to be plenty more angry people out there; and that their anger will finally be directed, rather than at each other, where it should have been all along.

comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
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comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 5 seconds ago
As much as I don't want people to suffer, I do think the only way to finally break Trump's hold on so many MAGA types is to start seeing some of the more unhinged consequences for their vote.

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Sadly as we saw with Brexit no matter how many consequences occur, it’s always the other sides fault

They’re riding this all the way to civil war
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For the first time, I’m beginning to believe that we’re now on the path, if not to a full-blown civil war, to serious civil conflict in the US.

We’re a few months away from the start of an accelerated and open transfer of both wealth and power from the bottom 50% to the top 1%, in a country which statistically already displays the same kind of wealth distribution as they had in pre-revolution France.

That 1% will get away with what they’re doing until a certain tipping point is reached and the working class realises how divide-and-conquer has been so cynically deployed against them.

The sole reason why I’m finally being persuaded that the US is on the path is because previously, I think the interests of the 1% have been (largely) represented by people who understand that the aforementioned tipping point both exists, and for their own interests, shouldn’t be approached.

I don’t think the likes of Trump and Musk either realise it exists or care that it exists. They’ll take and take and take until they’ve dug their own graves.
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Please explain.

Again, the data shows that the wealth distribution in the US is *already* more or less the same as it was right before the French started lopping heads off.

The top 1% hold as much wealth as the bottom 90%, and a Fed survey shows that 4 in 10 Americans don’t have enough cash or savings to cover an unexpected $400 expense.

Just let those two facts sink in for a moment.

Now consider that that wealth distribution is still shifting rightward at a pace, seeing a greater and greater proportion of the nation’s wealth in the hands of very, very few. That one-third share of the wealth already controlled by the 1% is growing quickly.

Finally consider that economists, pretty universally, agree that Trump’s stated policies will *accelerate* that shift of wealth away from the poorest to the wealthiest. The already growing one-third share will now grow even more quickly.

Again, all of this is cold, hard facts. There’s no narrative applied here.

So the question is where do *you* think this eventually leads?
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do you have a timeline for when the civil war will start
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I haven’t said that there’ll be a civil war.

Would you like to answer my question:

Where do you think this extreme, and now accelerating, wealth inequality will eventually lead?
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"For the first time, I’m beginning to believe that we’re now on the path, if not to a full-blown civil war, to serious civil conflict in the US."

okyes you did
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Are you drunk? Take a breath, then read that quote again.

And then please demonstrate that you’re a serious, good faith poster by either answering my question (at the third time of asking) or explaining why you’re refusing to answer.
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"For the first time, I’m beginning to believe that we’re now on the path, if not to a full-blown civil war, to serious civil conflict in the US."

Yeah read it again, you believe the US is on a path to civil war, why deny you said that when its your quote.

So when is this civil war starting again

Maybe you're drunk.

What they like in No 10 eh?

Serving up meat and alcohol to guests to celebrate Diwal at a reception

Just how clueless can anyone be?

Do you understand what the word "not" means?

not
/nɒt/
adverb

1.
used with an auxiliary verb or ‘be’ to form the negative.
"he would not say"

2.
used as a short substitute for a negative clause.
"maybe I'll regret it, but I hope not"

Please let me know if you need any further explanation.

Now, at the fourth time of asking, where do you think the extreme, already historic and accelerating, wealth inequality in the US will ultimately lead to?

comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, R... (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
Do you understand what the word "not" means?

not
/nɒt/
adverb

1.
used with an auxiliary verb or ‘be’ to form the negative.
"he would not say"

2.
used as a short substitute for a negative clause.
"maybe I'll regret it, but I hope not"

Please let me know if you need any further explanation.

Now, at the fourth time of asking, where do you think the extreme, already historic and accelerating, wealth inequality in the US will ultimately lead to?
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My investments in US markets making more money?

Given the deep division between Democrats and Republicans, I find it hard to see that ire being targeted away from one another, towards the political elites, any time soon.

comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted 8 minutes ago
Do you understand what the word "not" means?

not
/nɒt/
adverb

1.
used with an auxiliary verb or ‘be’ to form the negative.
"he would not say"

2.
used as a short substitute for a negative clause.
"maybe I'll regret it, but I hope not"

Please let me know if you need any further explanation.

Now, at the fourth time of asking, where do you think the extreme, already historic and accelerating, wealth inequality in the US will ultimately lead to?
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Not civil war like you

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, R... (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
Do you understand what the word "not" means?

not
/nɒt/
adverb

1.
used with an auxiliary verb or ‘be’ to form the negative.
"he would not say"

2.
used as a short substitute for a negative clause.
"maybe I'll regret it, but I hope not"

Please let me know if you need any further explanation.

Now, at the fourth time of asking, where do you think the extreme, already historic and accelerating, wealth inequality in the US will ultimately lead to?
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My investments in US markets making more money?
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Not you

I am trying to get Pranks to answer one simple question (whilst simultaneously teaching him English comprehension, which is proving something of a struggle).

comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted 8 minutes ago
Do you understand what the word "not" means?

not
/nɒt/
adverb

1.
used with an auxiliary verb or ‘be’ to form the negative.
"he would not say"

2.
used as a short substitute for a negative clause.
"maybe I'll regret it, but I hope not"

Please let me know if you need any further explanation.

Now, at the fourth time of asking, where do you think the extreme, already historic and accelerating, wealth inequality in the US will ultimately lead to?
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Not civil war like you
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OK, we'll leave it there.

I'm not sure whether you're being disingenuous or you're legitimately struggling with the syntactics of my statement; but either way, we're obviously not making any progress here, and I don't really feel like spending my evening either feeding a troll or teaching middle school grammar.

comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted 8 minutes ago
Do you understand what the word "not" means?

not
/nɒt/
adverb

1.
used with an auxiliary verb or ‘be’ to form the negative.
"he would not say"

2.
used as a short substitute for a negative clause.
"maybe I'll regret it, but I hope not"

Please let me know if you need any further explanation.

Now, at the fourth time of asking, where do you think the extreme, already historic and accelerating, wealth inequality in the US will ultimately lead to?
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Not civil war like you
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OK, we'll leave it there.

I'm not sure whether you're being disingenuous or you're legitimately struggling with the syntactics of my statement; but either way, we're obviously not making any progress here, and I don't really feel like spending my evening either feeding a troll or teaching middle school grammar.
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"For the first time, I’m beginning to believe that we’re now on the path, if not to a full-blown civil war, to serious civil conflict in the US."

I'll leave what you wrote here civil war or mass civil conflict it is according to you

Won't happen

its always telling when the insults come out though

Enjoy

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 15 minutes ago
What they like in No 10 eh?

Serving up meat and alcohol to guests to celebrate Diwal at a reception

Just how clueless can anyone be?


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Diwal is a clam.


Probably plenty of crates of Lager and Plonk still sloshing about in the back of a few cupboards at No10 since the Covid parties.

comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 8 minutes ago
Given the deep division between Democrats and Republicans, I find it hard to see that ire being targeted away from one another, towards the political elites, any time soon.
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Class consciousness has obviously been very heavily eroded and suppressed in the US (via various mechanisms) notably since the 1950s; but there are two things which I think might really drive some change now.

1) Democrats jumping ship. See both Kamala's lost votes and the Dems' failure to get working and middle class voters out. Various reasons for that, obviously, but plenty of data suggesting that working class people in particular don't believe that the Dems represent their economic interests anymore.

2) For those on both sides of the red-blue divide, the fact that Trump is going to do less than nothing to improve the economic reality of the US working class, and that with the judiciary, legislative and executive branches of government tied up, he won't be able to blame the Dems (at least not in nearly the same way) this time around.

I expect we'll see a heavy pivot by MAGA away from blaming the Dems (primarily) and immigrants (secondarily) for all of blue collar America's woes, to China and probably other US-external 'enemies'. (Although the anti-immigrant rhetoric will continue, of course, as will the use of the culture wars as a distraction.)

If the Dems can't be blamed for stagnant wages and rising bills, the anger will have to be carefully directed elsewhere, and China is the most obvious current target.

I don't expect that we'll see any spectacularly quick change. But history tells us that these kind of economic divides don't really endure. As I said up top, if I had to bet, with the current direction of travel, I'd say the US has a few more election cycles tops before things get very unpleasant.

comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, R... (U17054)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, R... (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
Do you understand what the word "not" means?

not
/nɒt/
adverb

1.
used with an auxiliary verb or ‘be’ to form the negative.
"he would not say"

2.
used as a short substitute for a negative clause.
"maybe I'll regret it, but I hope not"

Please let me know if you need any further explanation.

Now, at the fourth time of asking, where do you think the extreme, already historic and accelerating, wealth inequality in the US will ultimately lead to?
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My investments in US markets making more money?
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Not you

I am trying to get Pranks to answer one simple question (whilst simultaneously teaching him English comprehension, which is proving something of a struggle).
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Sorry

comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 15 minutes ago
What they like in No 10 eh?

Serving up meat and alcohol to guests to celebrate Diwal at a reception

Just how clueless can anyone be?


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Diwal is a clam.


Probably plenty of crates of Lager and Plonk still sloshing about in the back of a few cupboards at No10 since the Covid parties.
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They had a reception for molluscs?

Says it all really

comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, R... (U17054)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, R... (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
Do you understand what the word "not" means?

not
/nɒt/
adverb

1.
used with an auxiliary verb or ‘be’ to form the negative.
"he would not say"

2.
used as a short substitute for a negative clause.
"maybe I'll regret it, but I hope not"

Please let me know if you need any further explanation.

Now, at the fourth time of asking, where do you think the extreme, already historic and accelerating, wealth inequality in the US will ultimately lead to?
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My investments in US markets making more money?
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Not you

I am trying to get Pranks to answer one simple question (whilst simultaneously teaching him English comprehension, which is proving something of a struggle).
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Come on. The poor fella went to school in Texas.

I think that we’ll eventually reach some civil unrest, but that it will be primarily between the more radical factions of the two party system.

I just think it’s difficult to see what you’re proposing happening on a wider scale across America just because of its size. Plus real political change is usually driven by the middle classes, and whilst they’ve been facked by America’s economic policies, the Union has done a brilliant job of blocking them out of politics. It’s hard to see a ground up movement gaining significant traction because of this, there needs to be people higher up the social and political ladder to really use the radicals to force that change.

What could potentially happen is the secession of states that could achieve the former. I think that’s more likely, and what would see a break up of the Empire. But I’ll probably be dead by the time that happens.

comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think that we’ll eventually reach some civil unrest, but that it will be primarily between the more radical factions of the two party system.

I just think it’s difficult to see what you’re proposing happening on a wider scale across America just because of its size. Plus real political change is usually driven by the middle classes, and whilst they’ve been facked by America’s economic policies, the Union has done a brilliant job of blocking them out of politics. It’s hard to see a ground up movement gaining significant traction because of this, there needs to be people higher up the social and political ladder to really use the radicals to force that change.

What could potentially happen is the secession of states that could achieve the former. I think that’s more likely, and what would see a break up of the Empire. But I’ll probably be dead by the time that happens.
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Well I’m over here here just now and people sit and argue their politics but no signs of unrest you’ll be all pleased to know.

Well that is until the bar I’m heading to says it’s not showing the Scotland game. . Better had

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think that we’ll eventually reach some civil unrest, but that it will be primarily between the more radical factions of the two party system.

I just think it’s difficult to see what you’re proposing happening on a wider scale across America just because of its size. Plus real political change is usually driven by the middle classes, and whilst they’ve been facked by America’s economic policies, the Union has done a brilliant job of blocking them out of politics. It’s hard to see a ground up movement gaining significant traction because of this, there needs to be people higher up the social and political ladder to really use the radicals to force that change.

What could potentially happen is the secession of states that could achieve the former. I think that’s more likely, and what would see a break up of the Empire. But I’ll probably be dead by the time that happens.
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Well I’m over here here just now and people sit and argue their politics but no signs of unrest you’ll be all pleased to know.

Well that is until the bar I’m heading to says it’s not showing the Scotland game.. Better had
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I’ll be in Texas middle of February, hopefully the Civil war hasn’t started by then🤣

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think that we’ll eventually reach some civil unrest, but that it will be primarily between the more radical factions of the two party system.

I just think it’s difficult to see what you’re proposing happening on a wider scale across America just because of its size. Plus real political change is usually driven by the middle classes, and whilst they’ve been facked by America’s economic policies, the Union has done a brilliant job of blocking them out of politics. It’s hard to see a ground up movement gaining significant traction because of this, there needs to be people higher up the social and political ladder to really use the radicals to force that change.

What could potentially happen is the secession of states that could achieve the former. I think that’s more likely, and what would see a break up of the Empire. But I’ll probably be dead by the time that happens.
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Well I’m over here here just now and people sit and argue their politics but no signs of unrest you’ll be all pleased to know.

Well that is until the bar I’m heading to says it’s not showing the Scotland game.. Better had
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It’ll be a slow burner. The Republicans aren’t even in office yet.

This is heartbreaking

https://x.com/eyeonpalestine/status/1857251079907397792?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw

This is quite the clip of Reagan & Bush debating in the 1980 Republican primary on immigration. Reagan: “we need to open the border both ways” rather than “putting up a fence.” Bush makes similar comments. A different political world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsmgPp_nlok

comment by Jake Moon (U11781)
posted 10 minutes ago
This is quite the clip of Reagan & Bush debating in the 1980 Republican primary on immigration. Reagan: “we need to open the border both ways” rather than “putting up a fence.” Bush makes similar comments. A different political world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsmgPp_nlok
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Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants nearly 40 years ago.

comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 38 minutes ago
I think that we’ll eventually reach some civil unrest, but that it will be primarily between the more radical factions of the two party system.

I just think it’s difficult to see what you’re proposing happening on a wider scale across America just because of its size. Plus real political change is usually driven by the middle classes, and whilst they’ve been facked by America’s economic policies, the Union has done a brilliant job of blocking them out of politics. It’s hard to see a ground up movement gaining significant traction because of this, there needs to be people higher up the social and political ladder to really use the radicals to force that change.

What could potentially happen is the secession of states that could achieve the former. I think that’s more likely, and what would see a break up of the Empire. But I’ll probably be dead by the time that happens.
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Secession from the Union would be an incredibly complex affair, and would obviously require a high degree of cooperation between seceding party (or parties) and the Union. We’re talking about the potential extraction of an entity with the economic weight and population size of a mid-sized (or larger) European nation from a federal arrangement infinitely more closely knit than the EU. Not suggesting it’d be impossible, but it’d make Brexit look like a cakewalk; it’d be incredibly acrimonious, incredibly complex and incredibly expensive.

I think most likely we’ll eventually start to see probably at first local, then coordinated grassroots groups looking something like the Occupy movement starting with strikes, demos and civil disobedience (which the US historically hasn’t deal with well) and escalating from there.

I appreciate that, rosso. But I think that it’s more likely that a state, or states, become so disillusioned with the Union and look to leave that what you are suggesting happening on a national scale.

I think the concept of America as a nation state is something that many are already starting to question. They’ve done an incredible job of keeping it together this long. But like all grate empires of this size, they inevitably break up. How it manifests remains to be seen, especially as I’ll be dead before it happens, but I think it’s inevitable that it will.

comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, R... (U17054)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 38 minutes ago
I think that we’ll eventually reach some civil unrest, but that it will be primarily between the more radical factions of the two party system.

I just think it’s difficult to see what you’re proposing happening on a wider scale across America just because of its size. Plus real political change is usually driven by the middle classes, and whilst they’ve been facked by America’s economic policies, the Union has done a brilliant job of blocking them out of politics. It’s hard to see a ground up movement gaining significant traction because of this, there needs to be people higher up the social and political ladder to really use the radicals to force that change.

What could potentially happen is the secession of states that could achieve the former. I think that’s more likely, and what would see a break up of the Empire. But I’ll probably be dead by the time that happens.
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Secession from the Union would be an incredibly complex affair, and would obviously require a high degree of cooperation between seceding party (or parties) and the Union. We’re talking about the potential extraction of an entity with the economic weight and population size of a mid-sized (or larger) European nation from a federal arrangement infinitely more closely knit than the EU. Not suggesting it’d be impossible, but it’d make Brexit look like a cakewalk; it’d be incredibly acrimonious, incredibly complex and incredibly expensive.

I think most likely we’ll eventually start to see probably at first local, then coordinated grassroots groups looking something like the Occupy movement starting with strikes, demos and civil disobedience (which the US historically hasn’t deal with well) and escalating from there.
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California has the 5th largest economy in the world.
I also there was a secessionist movement once before in that country. Didn't go well for them.